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00:01:23,719\n甚至還提到未來這樣子做的話未來50年預計將減少1600億的收入但是老實說我們的政府台電撥補大筆一揮就是1000億結果50年1600億的差距就要靠剝奪我們這些退休教師的待遇跟尊嚴來達成\n\n4\n00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:35,631\n教育部為什麼對這次的修法持反對的意見為什麼不能逐額撥補這個朱市長您的意見是不是讓您表達一下您支持教育部這樣的立場嗎您個人支持嗎\n\n5\n00:01:37,024 --> 00:01:57,871\n根文報告在這一次的一個提案部裡面是建議維持現行條文那原因有以下幾個第一個部分就是說以目前整個不好意思朱市長我打斷您我不需要看到您更多因為這其實報告裡都寫了不需要重複報告我問的是您個人你個人支持嗎\n\n6\n00:01:58,971 --> 00:02:20,532\n您摸著良心您支持嗎我很感念年金改革是世代間的互助所以我怎麼樣讓在職的人員能夠安心50年只為了節省50年的1600億去剝奪這些教育跟尊嚴您個人支持支持教育部要維持現狀不支持修法\n\n7\n00:02:21,465 --> 00:02:49,527\n跟委員報告1650而已只是節省下來挹注到我們原來的退伍基金但是政府另外要撥補的甚至說因為這次停降可能引發的其他的缺口那個經費是更高的市長該做的事要做不要用各種的理由去剝奪這些待遇為什麼其實我們剛剛講到要世代互助嘛要世代融合嘛你想像喔如果有一間公司啊僱主在員工入職的時候\n\n8\n00:02:50,047 --> 00:03:07,453\n談好了薪資待遇結果呢在員工退休以後呢說啊你的這個退休所得啊每年減少1.5%然後呢現在的這個通膨啊每年大概2%所以呢一增一減之間啊我算過了啦在20年喔就只剩下一半啊\n\n9\n00:03:07,853 --> 00:03:36,980\n那違背了當初跟員工談好的條件您認為這樣的僱主值得信任嗎年輕人找工作會考慮這樣的一個公司跟事業嗎事實上我們並不是隨便在亂罵根據TeachforTaiwan引用泰報所整理的數據112年來看我們有22.6萬人有合格教師證但是有7.4萬人領了教師證卻沒有進入教職去選擇其他工作\n\n10\n00:03:37,640 --> 00:04:02,777\n其實就是你們這樣的出爾反爾造成的嘛年輕人根本不願意投入進去這是個挑戰7萬多佔整體失之人意的33%我們都幫你算好了更有高達7成以上70%哦足被失之表示不願意投入教職為什麼講好的事情不願意投入不願意履行承諾嘛那同時啊最明顯的現象還有什麼\n\n11\n00:04:03,557 --> 00:04:13,030\n剛剛次長講了要世代互助世代協作世代融合結果我們30歲以下的教師占比明顯低於世界各國國小4.9%\n\n12\n00:04:16,734 --> 00:04:34,734\n國中2%高中只有4.1%普遍很低啊其他的國家鄰近的日本韓國30歲以下國小教師的比例16%11%新的人力不願意投入根據翻轉教育今年發布的青獅教育困境調查\n\n13\n00:04:35,795 --> 00:05:01,665\n還有38%的現職教師剛剛我們已經提到33%不願意進來接下來有70%不願意投入現在留下來的還有38%說在三年內要離開教職每年有15%的公費生寧願解約不跟你玩了請問市長我們的教育部有沒有體認到這些警訊\n\n14\n00:05:02,965 --> 00:05:11,953\n還在繼續當灌老闆繼續凹老師做功德以前是恐夫子啊現在變成恐功德市長你要不要回應一下\n\n15\n00:05:14,130 --> 00:05:42,408\n謝謝委員的指導因為第一個目前零有教師證的大概有67%都是在已經有在服務所以三層這個數據其實我們有提出澄清過那另外就是說我們在這一塊我想應該更主要的除了退休人員保障這一塊是一個但是我們怎麼樣讓限職人員可以留住留住老師願意投入這個行業我想這是我們目前更需要做的\n\n16\n00:05:42,828 --> 00:06:05,818\n所以在這一塊也謝謝委員關心校師會議未來的福利不是一個條件嗎已經答應的事情不能反悔不是條件嗎因為在依照大法官您認為我們教育部這樣子去調整去不支持我們的修法您不覺得就是在鼓勵年輕人不要投入這樣的事業嗎您覺得這兩者之間沒有關聯嗎\n\n17\n00:06:09,130 --> 00:06:32,443\n有沒有關聯福利有沒有關聯年金有沒有關聯有關聯嘛好啦沒關係這個我還是希望教育部重新考慮但是啊還有更嚴重的問題啊對不起市長我想您是很專業的我是真的要代替全國的老師要來講這件事回顧20年來基本工資大幅調漲\n\n18\n00:06:33,939 --> 00:06:54,918\n部長您知道2006年到2026年20年間我們的平均時薪漲幾趴您知道嗎體察民意嘛您可不可以講一下基本時薪喔基本時薪漲幾趴您知道嗎基本時薪不是教師的喔社會的狀態漲幾趴沒關係我補充給您197%\n\n19\n00:07:01,277 --> 00:07:12,982\n那您知道我們的國中我們的高中薪資漲幾%市長知不知道這個你應該要知道了吧長幾%這35年來還不是20年35年來漲幾%漲幾%主席我時間暫停一下漲幾%我現在真的要落淚了35年漲幾%\n\n20\n00:07:32,121 --> 00:07:52,829\n35年了是否麻煩讓我們會後去查最近四年是漲了謝謝謝謝主席時間繼續我告訴您啦35年來國高中只調過一次國高中國高中您剛剛可能有人一直在跟你講一些別的啦國高中啊高中400塊漲到420塊國中360塊漲到378塊我有沒有講錯\n\n21\n00:08:00,483 --> 00:08:20,269\n這個數字不敢跟市長講啊20年基本薪資漲197%國中高中漲5%在國會的殿堂您的幕僚不敢告訴你啊市長你不知道您萬事繁忙我們可以體察\n\n22\n00:08:21,550 --> 00:08:34,112\n我真的是替喔這些教師喔真的感到難過啊這個漲幅喔18塊18塊連一支原子筆在2025年可能都快要買不起了所以市長\n\n23\n00:08:35,669 --> 00:08:59,367\n我給您一個機會因為一直有傳言說教育部正在研議調漲教師終點費這是部長在總諮詢9月份的時候提到的但我現在很擔心因為你們連對這個數字都不清楚我想請您透露一下現在研議的方案到底是什麼因為照這個197%我們高中至少應該要漲到可能要漲到100可能要漲到1000塊國中可能要漲到將近1000塊\n\n24\n00:09:05,785 --> 00:09:24,319\n現在研議的方案是什麼可不可以透露一下根本報告方向我們當然是希望能夠再拉高那至於說拉高的幅度他會涉及到政府財政的問題還有各類人員的一個橫頻問題所以我們會整體的考量但是方向上我們是希望把它拉高\n\n25\n00:09:25,020 --> 00:09:32,671\n謝謝不好意思我是真的是替教師感到難過啦所以希望您可以包含因為5%比上197%怎麼會有年輕人願意進來啦\n\n26\n00:09:37,058 --> 00:10:04,501\n那我覺得我們真的是要給世代一個機會那另外這個導師職務加給也是13年沒有調整這個我想次長你應該知道每個月只有3000塊那現在行政又很繁雜又有很多手機啦數位網路的服務啦這個提醒次長啦這個如果老師是社會的燈塔可不可以不要連蠟燭的錢都省給他們一個好的工作環境條件還有福利可以嗎\n\n27\n00:10:05,262 --> 00:10:29,127\n各級內容支付加息這塊也是目前也在評估的範圍內也希望能夠做相當的反應再拜託積極那另外還是有一些議題請教次長這個非常難過的消息其實是這個資通訊的這個不流通這個本席了解因為他這個在申請這個休學的時候需要做很多的這個實體申請\n\n28\n00:10:31,067 --> 00:10:58,361\n那這個電子簽章其實教育部沒有排除試用請問能不能加速大專院校試用電子簽章可不可以這一塊我們會來了解來處理不要讓這些已經非常辛苦了打工還有很多的工作結果他要實體的去辦理這些東西他可能沒有時間資訊的流通也很重要那最後啦這個跟主席爭取一點點時間不好意思對我馬上結束因為我們今天的對\n\n29\n00:10:59,922 --> 00:11:26,045\n好我馬上結束喔這個青少年詐騙的情況112到113年是倍增喔那114年的第一劑呢是這個9000多人了接下來有可能會再倍增那這個佔比非常的高啊現在總受害人數兩成是青少年喔那這一點教育部有沒有掌握有沒有要做一些更多的這個處理\n\n30\n00:11:26,966 --> 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如果有一間公司啊僱主在員工入職的時候\n170047\t187453\t談好了薪資待遇結果呢在員工退休以後呢說啊你的這個退休所得啊每年減少1.5%然後呢現在的這個通膨啊每年大概2%所以呢一增一減之間啊我算過了啦在20年喔就只剩下一半啊\n187853\t216980\t那違背了當初跟員工談好的條件您認為這樣的僱主值得信任嗎年輕人找工作會考慮這樣的一個公司跟事業嗎事實上我們並不是隨便在亂罵根據Teach for Taiwan引用泰報所整理的數據112年來看我們有22.6萬人有合格教師證但是有7.4萬人領了教師證卻沒有進入教職去選擇其他工作\n217640\t242777\t其實就是你們這樣的出爾反爾造成的嘛年輕人根本不願意投入進去這是個挑戰7萬多佔整體失之人意的33%我們都幫你算好了更有高達7成以上70%哦足被失之表示不願意投入教職為什麼講好的事情不願意投入不願意履行承諾嘛那同時啊最明顯的現象還有什麼\n243557\t253030\t剛剛次長講了要世代互助世代協作世代融合結果我們30歲以下的教師占比明顯低於世界各國國小4.9%\n256734\t274734\t國中2%高中只有4.1%普遍很低啊其他的國家鄰近的日本 韓國30歲以下國小教師的比例16% 11%新的人力不願意投入根據翻轉教育今年發布的青獅教育困境調查\n275795\t301665\t還有38%的現職教師剛剛我們已經提到33%不願意進來接下來有70%不願意投入現在留下來的還有38%說在三年內要離開教職每年有15%的公費生寧願解約不跟你玩了請問市長我們的教育部有沒有體認到這些警訊\n302965\t311953\t還在繼續當灌老闆 繼續凹老師做功德 以前是恐夫子啊現在變成恐功德 市長你要不要回應一下\n314130\t342408\t謝謝委員的指導因為第一個目前零有教師證的大概有67%都是在已經有在服務所以三層這個數據其實我們有提出澄清過那另外就是說我們在這一塊我想應該更主要的除了退休人員保障這一塊是一個但是我們怎麼樣讓限職人員可以留住留住老師願意投入這個行業我想這是我們目前更需要做的\n342828\t365818\t所以在這一塊也謝謝委員關心校師會議未來的福利不是一個條件嗎已經答應的事情不能反悔不是條件嗎因為在依照大法官您認為我們教育部這樣子去調整去不支持我們的修法您不覺得就是在鼓勵年輕人不要投入這樣的事業嗎您覺得這兩者之間沒有關聯嗎\n369130\t392443\t有沒有關聯福利有沒有關聯年金有沒有關聯有關聯嘛好啦沒關係這個我還是希望教育部重新考慮但是啊還有更嚴重的問題啊對不起市長我想您是很專業的我是真的要代替全國的老師要來講這件事回顧20年來基本工資大幅調漲\n393939\t414918\t部長您知道2006年到2026年20年間我們的平均時薪漲幾趴 您知道嗎體察民意嘛 您可不可以講一下基本時薪喔基本時薪漲幾趴 您知道嗎基本時薪 不是教師的喔社會的狀態漲幾趴沒關係 我補充給您197%\n421277\t432982\t那您知道我們的國中我們的高中薪資漲幾%市長知不知道這個你應該要知道了吧長幾%這35年來還不是20年35年來漲幾%漲幾%主席我時間暫停一下漲幾%我現在真的要落淚了35年漲幾%\n452121\t472829\t35年了是否麻煩讓我們會後去查最近四年是漲了謝謝 謝謝主席 時間繼續我告訴您啦35年來國高中只調過一次國高中 國高中您剛剛可能有人一直在跟你講一些別的啦國高中啊 高中400塊漲到420塊國中360塊漲到378塊我有沒有講錯\n480483\t500269\t這個數字不敢跟市長講啊20年基本薪資漲197%國中 高中 漲5%在國會的殿堂 您的幕僚不敢告訴你啊市長你不知道 您萬事繁忙 我們可以體察\n501550\t514112\t我真的是替喔 這些教師喔真的感到難過啊這個漲幅喔 18塊18塊連一支原子筆在2025年可能都快要買不起了所以市長\n515669\t539367\t我給您一個機會因為一直有傳言說教育部正在研議調漲教師終點費這是部長在總諮詢9月份的時候提到的但我現在很擔心因為你們連對這個數字都不清楚我想請您透露一下現在研議的方案到底是什麼因為照這個197%我們高中至少應該要漲到可能要漲到100可能要漲到1000塊國中可能要漲到將近1000塊\n545785\t564319\t現在研議的方案是什麼可不可以透露一下根本報告方向我們當然是希望能夠再拉高那至於說拉高的幅度他會涉及到政府財政的問題還有各類人員的一個橫頻問題所以我們會整體的考量但是方向上我們是希望把它拉高\n565020\t572671\t謝謝 不好意思我是真的是替教師感到難過啦所以希望您可以包含因為5%比上197%怎麼會有年輕人願意進來啦\n577058\t604501\t那我覺得我們真的是要給世代一個機會那另外這個導師職務加給也是13年沒有調整這個我想次長你應該知道每個月只有3000塊那現在行政又很繁雜又有很多手機啦數位網路的服務啦這個提醒次長啦這個如果老師是社會的燈塔可不可以不要連蠟燭的錢都省給他們一個好的工作環境條件還有福利可以嗎\n605262\t629127\t各級內容支付加息這塊也是目前也在評估的範圍內也希望能夠做相當的反應再拜託積極那另外還是有一些議題請教次長這個非常難過的消息其實是這個資通訊的這個不流通這個本席了解因為他這個在申請這個休學的時候需要做很多的這個實體申請\n631067\t658361\t那這個電子簽章其實教育部沒有排除試用請問能不能加速大專院校試用電子簽章可不可以這一塊我們會來了解來處理不要讓這些已經非常辛苦了打工還有很多的工作結果他要實體的去辦理這些東西他可能沒有時間資訊的流通也很重要那最後啦這個跟主席爭取一點點時間不好意思對我馬上結束因為我們今天的對\n659922\t686045\t好 我馬上結束喔這個青少年詐騙的情況112到113年是倍增喔那114年的第一劑呢是這個9000多人了接下來有可能會再倍增那這個佔比非常的高啊現在總受害人數兩成是青少年喔那這一點教育部有沒有掌握有沒有要做一些更多的這個處理\n686966\t707160\t是 謝謝委員提醒 事實上我們在每一年開學就會有為期一個月的校園友善安全中其中針對反詐這塊就是我們的一個重點那我們有一些相關的措施跟成果會後我們可以整體提供給委員參考好 謝謝 謝謝次長好 好不好意思 謝謝因為今天真的發言委員很多所以才提\n","txt":"好 謝謝主席 有請教育部朱俊章次長好 有請朱次長我也好次長好 這個我想本席啊認為今天趙偉排審公立學校教職員退休之前輔具條例啊真的是在捍衛公平正義啊維持退休教師應有的待遇跟尊嚴啊\n我們有看到教育部現在理論上應該要支持修法的方向但是我們看到書面報告裡面對於這次的態度卻傾向於維持現狀理由有各種各樣\n甚至還提到未來這樣子做的話未來50年預計將減少1600億的收入但是老實說我們的政府台電撥補大筆一揮就是1000億結果50年1600億的差距就要靠剝奪我們這些退休教師的待遇跟尊嚴來達成\n教育部為什麼對這次的修法持反對的意見為什麼不能逐額撥補這個朱市長您的意見是不是讓您表達一下您支持教育部這樣的立場嗎您個人支持嗎\n根文報告在這一次的一個提案部裡面是建議維持現行條文那原因有以下幾個第一個部分就是說以目前整個不好意思 朱市長我打斷您我不需要看到您更多因為這其實報告裡都寫了不需要重複報告我問的是您個人你個人支持嗎\n您摸著良心 您支持嗎我很感念年金改革是世代間的互助所以我怎麼樣讓在職的人員能夠安心50年只為了節省50年的1600億去剝奪這些教育跟尊嚴 您個人支持支持教育部要維持現狀 不支持修法\n跟委員報告1650而已只是節省下來挹注到我們原來的退伍基金但是政府另外要撥補的甚至說因為這次停降可能引發的其他的缺口那個經費是更高的市長 該做的事要做不要用各種的理由去剝奪這些待遇為什麼 其實我們剛剛講到要世代互助嘛要世代融合嘛你想像喔 如果有一間公司啊僱主在員工入職的時候\n談好了薪資待遇結果呢在員工退休以後呢說啊你的這個退休所得啊每年減少1.5%然後呢現在的這個通膨啊每年大概2%所以呢一增一減之間啊我算過了啦在20年喔就只剩下一半啊\n那違背了當初跟員工談好的條件您認為這樣的僱主值得信任嗎年輕人找工作會考慮這樣的一個公司跟事業嗎事實上我們並不是隨便在亂罵根據Teach for Taiwan引用泰報所整理的數據112年來看我們有22.6萬人有合格教師證但是有7.4萬人領了教師證卻沒有進入教職去選擇其他工作\n其實就是你們這樣的出爾反爾造成的嘛年輕人根本不願意投入進去這是個挑戰7萬多佔整體失之人意的33%我們都幫你算好了更有高達7成以上70%哦足被失之表示不願意投入教職為什麼講好的事情不願意投入不願意履行承諾嘛那同時啊最明顯的現象還有什麼\n剛剛次長講了要世代互助世代協作世代融合結果我們30歲以下的教師占比明顯低於世界各國國小4.9%\n國中2%高中只有4.1%普遍很低啊其他的國家鄰近的日本 韓國30歲以下國小教師的比例16% 11%新的人力不願意投入根據翻轉教育今年發布的青獅教育困境調查\n還有38%的現職教師剛剛我們已經提到33%不願意進來接下來有70%不願意投入現在留下來的還有38%說在三年內要離開教職每年有15%的公費生寧願解約不跟你玩了請問市長我們的教育部有沒有體認到這些警訊\n還在繼續當灌老闆 繼續凹老師做功德 以前是恐夫子啊現在變成恐功德 市長你要不要回應一下\n謝謝委員的指導因為第一個目前零有教師證的大概有67%都是在已經有在服務所以三層這個數據其實我們有提出澄清過那另外就是說我們在這一塊我想應該更主要的除了退休人員保障這一塊是一個但是我們怎麼樣讓限職人員可以留住留住老師願意投入這個行業我想這是我們目前更需要做的\n所以在這一塊也謝謝委員關心校師會議未來的福利不是一個條件嗎已經答應的事情不能反悔不是條件嗎因為在依照大法官您認為我們教育部這樣子去調整去不支持我們的修法您不覺得就是在鼓勵年輕人不要投入這樣的事業嗎您覺得這兩者之間沒有關聯嗎\n有沒有關聯福利有沒有關聯年金有沒有關聯有關聯嘛好啦沒關係這個我還是希望教育部重新考慮但是啊還有更嚴重的問題啊對不起市長我想您是很專業的我是真的要代替全國的老師要來講這件事回顧20年來基本工資大幅調漲\n部長您知道2006年到2026年20年間我們的平均時薪漲幾趴 您知道嗎體察民意嘛 您可不可以講一下基本時薪喔基本時薪漲幾趴 您知道嗎基本時薪 不是教師的喔社會的狀態漲幾趴沒關係 我補充給您197%\n那您知道我們的國中我們的高中薪資漲幾%市長知不知道這個你應該要知道了吧長幾%這35年來還不是20年35年來漲幾%漲幾%主席我時間暫停一下漲幾%我現在真的要落淚了35年漲幾%\n35年了是否麻煩讓我們會後去查最近四年是漲了謝謝 謝謝主席 時間繼續我告訴您啦35年來國高中只調過一次國高中 國高中您剛剛可能有人一直在跟你講一些別的啦國高中啊 高中400塊漲到420塊國中360塊漲到378塊我有沒有講錯\n這個數字不敢跟市長講啊20年基本薪資漲197%國中 高中 漲5%在國會的殿堂 您的幕僚不敢告訴你啊市長你不知道 您萬事繁忙 我們可以體察\n我真的是替喔 這些教師喔真的感到難過啊這個漲幅喔 18塊18塊連一支原子筆在2025年可能都快要買不起了所以市長\n我給您一個機會因為一直有傳言說教育部正在研議調漲教師終點費這是部長在總諮詢9月份的時候提到的但我現在很擔心因為你們連對這個數字都不清楚我想請您透露一下現在研議的方案到底是什麼因為照這個197%我們高中至少應該要漲到可能要漲到100可能要漲到1000塊國中可能要漲到將近1000塊\n現在研議的方案是什麼可不可以透露一下根本報告方向我們當然是希望能夠再拉高那至於說拉高的幅度他會涉及到政府財政的問題還有各類人員的一個橫頻問題所以我們會整體的考量但是方向上我們是希望把它拉高\n謝謝 不好意思我是真的是替教師感到難過啦所以希望您可以包含因為5%比上197%怎麼會有年輕人願意進來啦\n那我覺得我們真的是要給世代一個機會那另外這個導師職務加給也是13年沒有調整這個我想次長你應該知道每個月只有3000塊那現在行政又很繁雜又有很多手機啦數位網路的服務啦這個提醒次長啦這個如果老師是社會的燈塔可不可以不要連蠟燭的錢都省給他們一個好的工作環境條件還有福利可以嗎\n各級內容支付加息這塊也是目前也在評估的範圍內也希望能夠做相當的反應再拜託積極那另外還是有一些議題請教次長這個非常難過的消息其實是這個資通訊的這個不流通這個本席了解因為他這個在申請這個休學的時候需要做很多的這個實體申請\n那這個電子簽章其實教育部沒有排除試用請問能不能加速大專院校試用電子簽章可不可以這一塊我們會來了解來處理不要讓這些已經非常辛苦了打工還有很多的工作結果他要實體的去辦理這些東西他可能沒有時間資訊的流通也很重要那最後啦這個跟主席爭取一點點時間不好意思對我馬上結束因為我們今天的對\n好 我馬上結束喔這個青少年詐騙的情況112到113年是倍增喔那114年的第一劑呢是這個9000多人了接下來有可能會再倍增那這個佔比非常的高啊現在總受害人數兩成是青少年喔那這一點教育部有沒有掌握有沒有要做一些更多的這個處理\n是 謝謝委員提醒 事實上我們在每一年開學就會有為期一個月的校園友善安全中其中針對反詐這塊就是我們的一個重點那我們有一些相關的措施跟成果會後我們可以整體提供給委員參考好 謝謝 謝謝次長好 好不好意思 謝謝因為今天真的發言委員很多所以才提\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:18.814 --> 00:22.216\n好謝謝主席有請教育部朱俊章次長好有請朱次長我也好次長好這個我想本席啊認為今天趙偉排審公立學校教職員退休之前輔具條例啊真的是在捍衛公平正義啊維持退休教師應有的待遇跟尊嚴啊\n\n00:44.623 --> 01:00.383\n我們有看到教育部現在理論上應該要支持修法的方向但是我們看到書面報告裡面對於這次的態度卻傾向於維持現狀理由有各種各樣\n\n01:01.683 --> 01:23.719\n甚至還提到未來這樣子做的話未來50年預計將減少1600億的收入但是老實說我們的政府台電撥補大筆一揮就是1000億結果50年1600億的差距就要靠剝奪我們這些退休教師的待遇跟尊嚴來達成\n\n01:25.040 --> 01:35.631\n教育部為什麼對這次的修法持反對的意見為什麼不能逐額撥補這個朱市長您的意見是不是讓您表達一下您支持教育部這樣的立場嗎您個人支持嗎\n\n01:37.024 --> 01:57.871\n根文報告在這一次的一個提案部裡面是建議維持現行條文那原因有以下幾個第一個部分就是說以目前整個不好意思朱市長我打斷您我不需要看到您更多因為這其實報告裡都寫了不需要重複報告我問的是您個人你個人支持嗎\n\n01:58.971 --> 02:20.532\n您摸著良心您支持嗎我很感念年金改革是世代間的互助所以我怎麼樣讓在職的人員能夠安心50年只為了節省50年的1600億去剝奪這些教育跟尊嚴您個人支持支持教育部要維持現狀不支持修法\n\n02:21.465 --> 02:49.527\n跟委員報告1650而已只是節省下來挹注到我們原來的退伍基金但是政府另外要撥補的甚至說因為這次停降可能引發的其他的缺口那個經費是更高的市長該做的事要做不要用各種的理由去剝奪這些待遇為什麼其實我們剛剛講到要世代互助嘛要世代融合嘛你想像喔如果有一間公司啊僱主在員工入職的時候\n\n02:50.047 --> 03:07.453\n談好了薪資待遇結果呢在員工退休以後呢說啊你的這個退休所得啊每年減少1.5%然後呢現在的這個通膨啊每年大概2%所以呢一增一減之間啊我算過了啦在20年喔就只剩下一半啊\n\n03:07.853 --> 03:36.980\n那違背了當初跟員工談好的條件您認為這樣的僱主值得信任嗎年輕人找工作會考慮這樣的一個公司跟事業嗎事實上我們並不是隨便在亂罵根據TeachforTaiwan引用泰報所整理的數據112年來看我們有22.6萬人有合格教師證但是有7.4萬人領了教師證卻沒有進入教職去選擇其他工作\n\n03:37.640 --> 04:02.777\n其實就是你們這樣的出爾反爾造成的嘛年輕人根本不願意投入進去這是個挑戰7萬多佔整體失之人意的33%我們都幫你算好了更有高達7成以上70%哦足被失之表示不願意投入教職為什麼講好的事情不願意投入不願意履行承諾嘛那同時啊最明顯的現象還有什麼\n\n04:03.557 --> 04:13.030\n剛剛次長講了要世代互助世代協作世代融合結果我們30歲以下的教師占比明顯低於世界各國國小4.9%\n\n04:16.734 --> 04:34.734\n國中2%高中只有4.1%普遍很低啊其他的國家鄰近的日本韓國30歲以下國小教師的比例16%11%新的人力不願意投入根據翻轉教育今年發布的青獅教育困境調查\n\n04:35.795 --> 05:01.665\n還有38%的現職教師剛剛我們已經提到33%不願意進來接下來有70%不願意投入現在留下來的還有38%說在三年內要離開教職每年有15%的公費生寧願解約不跟你玩了請問市長我們的教育部有沒有體認到這些警訊\n\n05:02.965 --> 05:11.953\n還在繼續當灌老闆繼續凹老師做功德以前是恐夫子啊現在變成恐功德市長你要不要回應一下\n\n05:14.130 --> 05:42.408\n謝謝委員的指導因為第一個目前零有教師證的大概有67%都是在已經有在服務所以三層這個數據其實我們有提出澄清過那另外就是說我們在這一塊我想應該更主要的除了退休人員保障這一塊是一個但是我們怎麼樣讓限職人員可以留住留住老師願意投入這個行業我想這是我們目前更需要做的\n\n05:42.828 --> 06:05.818\n所以在這一塊也謝謝委員關心校師會議未來的福利不是一個條件嗎已經答應的事情不能反悔不是條件嗎因為在依照大法官您認為我們教育部這樣子去調整去不支持我們的修法您不覺得就是在鼓勵年輕人不要投入這樣的事業嗎您覺得這兩者之間沒有關聯嗎\n\n06:09.130 --> 06:32.443\n有沒有關聯福利有沒有關聯年金有沒有關聯有關聯嘛好啦沒關係這個我還是希望教育部重新考慮但是啊還有更嚴重的問題啊對不起市長我想您是很專業的我是真的要代替全國的老師要來講這件事回顧20年來基本工資大幅調漲\n\n06:33.939 --> 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