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00:01:03,358\n有安全才能夠有這個真正的國防自主的戰力的提升我相信任何一個東西的製造的過程當中因為它並不是有一個潛力在前所以說能夠打造出來到底這個時間點我們應該只是壓一個目標\n\n4\n00:01:06,281 --> 00:01:29,130\n這個我必須要強調我們雖然站在監督的角度但是不論如何我認為國軍弟兄國軍官兵們的安全第一因為這個是未來所有我們國軍弟兄尤其是海軍弟兄他們要進入來做使用這一個樣的一個我們自己所製造的海昆號不過在製造的過程當中就是因為涉及機密那麼\n\n5\n00:01:30,530 --> 00:01:54,300\n在上個禮拜其實這個我們的國安局蔡局長也說了中共對我們的認知作戰不斷的進行當中本席特別整理了在海昆號在這一段時間以來尤其是在6月17號啟動海策之後這些不利的訊息包括謠言說海策的這個\n\n6\n00:01:56,701 --> 00:02:21,920\n艦體會變形然後稱我們是模型艦是玩具中共的官媒甚至於說海昆號不堪一擊甚至於錯誤類比日本的這個所謂蒼金號然後造價高然後批評500億打水漂一條爛船還在吹牛然後說台灣人是做潘娜好我想要請問的就是\n\n7\n00:02:24,002 --> 00:02:44,434\n在這些的所謂認知作戰或是輿情作戰當中到底國防部有沒有什麼樣的任何的統計到底有多少的認知作戰因為我認為這個是一種無煙消的戰爭而這些所謂的認知作戰的謠言有沒有預防跟抵抗的能力\n\n8\n00:02:45,497 --> 00:03:12,768\n包委員有關這個錯假訊息是幾乎是可以預期的因為的確在現在我們兩岸這個情況之下的確是有人要不斷的想要打擊我們各項不管是建軍或者備戰或者種種所以自然而然一定會有非常多的錯假訊息企圖對我們的民心士氣造成影響有沒有統計過那這一部分我們實際上\n\n9\n00:03:14,409 --> 00:03:17,790\n這個國安局長在講國民黨的黨主席選舉的時候啦就有超過上萬條上千則的這個影音然後出現在各種社群平台當中你們有沒有做過統計因為這也是一種戰爭的樣態喔就是打擊就是而且這些樣態是會從境外然後影響到全國人民對於海昆號進度的一種不信任\n\n10\n00:03:42,961 --> 00:03:47,763\n那麼立委看到這個部分的時候也可以有人甚至拿這個來做質詢的時候那這個也可以成為打擊你們的一個方向跟目標所以機密的部分我不會去詢問但是像這種無煙消的戰爭正在發生甚至於就透過中國的內容農場成為質詢的部分比如說模型玩具啦會變形啦不堪一期啦\n\n11\n00:04:08,413 --> 00:04:24,554\n500億打水漂啦不然為什麼你們11月底如果無法如期交建的時候那是不是就剛好正中中國在利用認知作戰來打擊我們的海軍跟海昆號的所謂的建造的過程是我就請我們的政戰局來跟您做個答案\n\n12\n00:04:27,864 --> 00:04:57,584\n委員好我是政戰局局長史順文跟您報告有關於中共的認知作戰他的攻勢其實非常積極包含我們的潛艦在一開始到現在他的這方面的認知作戰的行動完全沒有停止過那麼我們每天都會針對中共對我們的認知作戰做完整的掌握那如果說有比較可以我們可以立即去回應的我們會立即新聞稿或者是\n\n13\n00:04:58,265 --> 00:05:03,981\n在包含了跟民間的這個事實查核中心等等我們都會立即的做出反應\n\n14\n00:05:04,841 --> 00:05:28,280\n好所以說你們有沒有一個數字的統計比如說每天或是多久大概是有沒有去做量化的統計然後多數是來自於哪些中國的官媒或者是統計數字這個東西有一個詳細的報告嗎我覺得這是一個非常好的這個公開的時刻因為我們都知道面對錯假訊息最重要的就是在必要的時候去做揭露那麼你們有這樣的資訊嗎\n\n15\n00:05:31,463 --> 00:05:35,186\n包國瑜我們有這樣的資訊但是現在手上沒有是是不是可以提供給本席是會後就可以提供嗎還是要我們要回去整理一下要多少時間一個禮拜可以嗎可以因為本席一直認為就是心理戰會影響到整體的海昆號在進展的過程中尤其接下來\n\n16\n00:05:52,781 --> 00:06:16,963\n還有海測及其他的這個所謂測試的過程當中只要你有每一次有動作他就可以直接在後面放消息放毒那麼放毒的也是他們我們沒有辦法只要第一時間透過這個方式來做解讀所以我認為這個訊息是很重要的請你在一個禮拜提供一本席也提供我們國防外交委員會好嗎是我們會持續的掌握而且立即的做出回應\n\n17\n00:06:17,563 --> 00:06:18,084\n好謝謝接下來我要請問的是有關於\n\n18\n00:06:23,602 --> 00:06:44,970\n幾個禮拜前我們的賴總統在國慶演說當中說要打造台灣之盾那麼建構台灣分層防禦跟高度感知有效攔截的防護系統喔那麼這個回到我們這一次的年度的2026年的預算當中我們有國防部的主管預算9459億新式戰機的特別預算有399億海空戰力特別預算有293億\n\n19\n00:06:51,873 --> 00:07:10,753\n那麼我們總統也宣示了那就是我們的國防預算要達到GTT的3%那麼在這個部分這個名詞的出現我想最重要的還是要由國防部來解讀那麼這些預算的編列符合現在總統宣示的有關於要打造台灣之盾的部分嗎\n\n20\n00:07:12,244 --> 00:07:40,135\n這部分我請站櫃司司長來做個答覆好站櫃司站櫃司這邊針對公開的部分跟委員做個補充因為我們現在目前面對的空中威脅從彈道飛彈一直到無人機已經變成一個全面性的威脅所以我們整個布防的這個部分這是一個多年期的計畫涵蓋了之前已經執行的建案還有未來我們即將納入包含自治跟軍購案的這些相關的項目\n\n21\n00:07:40,535 --> 00:07:54,731\n那有跟後續因為目前還在處理當中可能沒有辦法在這邊跟委員做報告但這是一個整體的規劃是所以這個部分在我們的哪些預算當中是已經編列在年度預算又有哪些未來會用特別預算來做處理嗎\n\n22\n00:07:55,913 --> 00:08:07,887\n在前面的部分我們在前面海空戰力提升裡面我們已經針對防空飛彈的部分已經做了編列那在更早之前我們也編列增購102枚的I-3增程型的飛彈\n\n23\n00:08:11,952 --> 00:08:29,915\n那後續的這個部分陳儒委員知道的我們在過去愛國者飛彈的部分他並沒有滿足到足夠的數量那隨著中共對我們的空中威脅越來越大事實上我們也必須要做一個完整的規劃把威脅的這個部分跟我們防護目標的部分來做一個結合\n\n24\n00:08:30,856 --> 00:08:55,070\n那最重要的是這些飛彈必須加入到新的整合系統裡面去才能夠有效來發揮戰力所以未來我們的目標是從反彈反擊反無人機的這個部分都必須要進入一個完整的整合指管系統有效來發揮各層不同空城跟不同位置裡面武器裝備的效能\n\n25\n00:08:55,526 --> 00:09:06,461\n好我想涉及機密的部分我不會特別來詢問但是就像過去我們剛剛從海昆劍一路以下我們所詢問的就是在採購跟自製的部分這麼樣一個龐大的計畫預算很高那麼有沒有一個規劃是在\n\n26\n00:09:11,708 --> 00:09:30,011\n採購的部分跟自製的部分比例又是多少有沒有好好的去琢磨因為我們都知道每一次的計畫當中它連帶的可以帶動我們在軍工產業上面的整體的整個產業鏈的提升喔那麼在這邊國防部有沒有把這個作為思考的一部分那比例又是多少\n\n27\n00:09:31,225 --> 00:09:57,872\n有關比例的這個部分因為後續的預算我們還在編列當中在這邊可能沒有辦法跟委員做一個詳述那後續計畫提出來之後當然我們會針對各個計畫尤其是福祉國內無人機以及其他重要產業的這個部分我們會做一個充分的說明那這個部分我們目前仍然在跟行政院以及有關的部會進行研討那後續會再跟委員做一個詳細的報告\n\n28\n00:09:58,820 --> 00:10:27,516\n好所以言下之意就是除了在部分已經放在我們2026的年度預算當中那麼有部分的話其實還要再重新把這個預算再提出來是這個意思嗎是那你們打算在今年年底提出來嗎還是因為畢竟現在是預算會期我們目前我們的整個規劃是配合年度總預算審查的時間會在今年年底之前提出這個特別預算好謝謝\n\n29\n00:10:29,307 --> 00:10:29,328\n謝謝委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n649\t13137\t謝謝主席主席有請我們的副參謀總長執行官黃上將副總長然後常務次長也在對不對常次\n16087\t45658\t因為我要問的問題因為上個禮拜我們已經針對這個潛艦的機密的報告已經做過一些詢答了那麼我想要問的是其實這也跟我們潛艦的進度建造其實息息相關本席是非常肯定就是在潛艦國造跟國防自主戰力上面的提升喔那麼有關於現在希望是在11月底能夠順利的來交建或者是這本席還是強調安全第一\n46098\t63358\t有安全才能夠有這個真正的國防自主的戰力的提升我相信任何一個東西的製造的過程當中因為它並不是有一個潛力在前所以說能夠打造出來到底這個時間點我們應該只是壓一個目標\n66281\t89130\t這個我必須要強調我們雖然站在監督的角度但是不論如何我認為國軍弟兄國軍官兵們的安全第一因為這個是未來所有我們國軍弟兄尤其是海軍弟兄他們要進入來做使用這一個樣的一個我們自己所製造的海昆號不過在製造的過程當中就是因為涉及機密那麼\n90530\t114300\t在上個禮拜其實這個我們的國安局蔡局長也說了中共對我們的認知作戰不斷的進行當中本席特別整理了在海昆號在這一段時間以來尤其是在6月17號啟動海策之後這些不利的訊息包括謠言說海策的這個\n116701\t141920\t艦體會變形然後稱我們是模型艦是玩具中共的官媒甚至於說海昆號不堪一擊甚至於錯誤類比日本的這個所謂蒼金號然後造價高然後批評500億打水漂一條爛船還在吹牛然後說台灣人是做潘娜好 我想要請問的就是\n144002\t164434\t在這些的所謂認知作戰或是輿情作戰當中到底國防部有沒有什麼樣的任何的統計到底有多少的認知作戰因為我認為這個是一種無煙消的戰爭而這些所謂的認知作戰的謠言有沒有預防跟抵抗的能力\n165497\t192768\t包委員有關這個錯假訊息是幾乎是可以預期的因為的確在現在我們兩岸這個情況之下的確是有人要不斷的想要打擊我們各項不管是建軍或者備戰或者種種所以自然而然一定會有非常多的錯假訊息企圖對我們的民心士氣造成影響有沒有統計過那這一部分我們實際上\n194409\t197790\t這個國安局長在講國民黨的黨主席選舉的時候啦就有超過上萬條上千則的這個影音然後出現在各種社群平台當中你們有沒有做過統計因為這也是一種戰爭的樣態喔就是打擊就是而且這些樣態是會從境外然後影響到全國人民對於海昆號進度的一種不信任\n222961\t227763\t那麼立委看到這個部分的時候也可以有人甚至拿這個來做質詢的時候那這個也可以成為打擊你們的一個方向跟目標所以機密的部分我不會去詢問但是像這種無煙消的戰爭正在發生甚至於就透過中國的內容農場成為質詢的部分比如說模型玩具啦會變形啦不堪一期啦\n248413\t264554\t500億打水漂啦 不然為什麼你們11月底 如果無法如期交建的時候那是不是就剛好正中中國在利用認知作戰來打擊我們的海軍跟海昆號的所謂的建造的過程是 我就請我們的政戰局來跟您做個答案\n267864\t297584\t委員好我是政戰局局長史順文跟您報告有關於中共的認知作戰他的攻勢其實非常積極包含我們的潛艦在一開始到現在他的這方面的認知作戰的行動完全沒有停止過那麼我們每天都會針對中共對我們的認知作戰做完整的掌握那如果說有比較可以我們可以立即去回應的我們會立即新聞稿或者是\n298265\t303981\t在包含了跟民間的這個事實查核中心等等我們都會立即的做出反應\n304841\t328280\t好所以說你們有沒有一個數字的統計比如說每天或是多久大概是有沒有去做量化的統計然後多數是來自於哪些中國的官媒或者是統計數字這個東西有一個詳細的報告嗎我覺得這是一個非常好的這個公開的時刻因為我們都知道面對錯假訊息最重要的就是在必要的時候去做揭露那麼你們有這樣的資訊嗎\n331463\t335186\t包國瑜 我們有這樣的資訊但是現在手上沒有 是是不是可以提供給本席是 會後就可以提供嗎還是要我們要回去整理一下要多少時間 一個禮拜可以嗎可以因為本席一直認為就是心理戰會影響到整體的海昆號在進展的過程中尤其接下來\n352781\t376963\t還有海測及其他的這個所謂測試的過程當中只要你有每一次有動作他就可以直接在後面放消息放毒那麼放毒的也是他們我們沒有辦法只要第一時間透過這個方式來做解讀所以我認為這個訊息是很重要的請你在一個禮拜提供一本席也提供我們國防外交委員會好嗎是 我們會持續的掌握而且立即的做出回應\n377563\t378084\t好 謝謝接下來我要請問的是有關於\n383602\t404970\t幾個禮拜前我們的賴總統在國慶演說當中說要打造台灣之盾那麼建構台灣分層防禦跟高度感知有效攔截的防護系統喔那麼這個回到我們這一次的年度的2026年的預算當中我們有國防部的主管預算9459億新式戰機的特別預算有399億海空戰力特別預算有293億\n411873\t430753\t那麼 我們總統也宣示了那就是我們的國防預算要達到GTT的3%那麼在這個部分 這個名詞的出現我想最重要的還是要由國防部來解讀那麼這些預算的編列符合現在總統宣示的有關於要打造台灣之盾的部分嗎\n432244\t460135\t這部分我請站櫃司司長來做個答覆好 站櫃司站櫃司這邊針對公開的部分跟委員做個補充因為我們現在目前面對的空中威脅從彈道飛彈一直到無人機已經變成一個全面性的威脅所以我們整個布防的這個部分這是一個多年期的計畫涵蓋了之前已經執行的建案還有未來我們即將納入包含自治跟軍購案的這些相關的項目\n460535\t474731\t那有跟後續 因為目前還在處理當中可能沒有辦法在這邊跟委員做報告但這是一個整體的規劃是 所以這個部分在我們的哪些預算當中是已經編列在年度預算又有哪些未來會用特別預算來做處理嗎\n475913\t487887\t在前面的部分我們在前面海空戰力提升裡面我們已經針對防空飛彈的部分已經做了編列那在更早之前我們也編列增購102枚的I-3增程型的飛彈\n491952\t509915\t那後續的這個部分陳儒委員知道的我們在過去愛國者飛彈的部分他並沒有滿足到足夠的數量那隨著中共對我們的空中威脅越來越大事實上我們也必須要做一個完整的規劃把威脅的這個部分跟我們防護目標的部分來做一個結合\n510856\t535070\t那最重要的是這些飛彈必須加入到新的整合系統裡面去才能夠有效來發揮戰力所以未來我們的目標是從反彈反擊反無人機的這個部分都必須要進入一個完整的整合指管系統有效來發揮各層不同空城跟不同位置裡面武器裝備的效能\n535526\t546461\t好 我想涉及機密的部分我不會特別來詢問但是就像過去我們剛剛從海昆劍一路以下我們所詢問的就是在採購跟自製的部分這麼樣一個龐大的計畫預算很高那麼有沒有一個規劃是在\n551708\t570011\t採購的部分跟自製的部分比例又是多少有沒有好好的去琢磨因為我們都知道每一次的計畫當中它連帶的可以帶動我們在軍工產業上面的整體的整個產業鏈的提升喔那麼在這邊國防部有沒有把這個作為思考的一部分那比例又是多少\n571225\t597872\t有關比例的這個部分因為後續的預算我們還在編列當中在這邊可能沒有辦法跟委員做一個詳述那後續計畫提出來之後當然我們會針對各個計畫尤其是福祉國內無人機以及其他重要產業的這個部分我們會做一個充分的說明那這個部分我們目前仍然在跟行政院以及有關的部會進行研討那後續會再跟委員做一個詳細的報告\n598820\t627516\t好 所以言下之意就是除了在部分已經放在我們2026的年度預算當中那麼有部分的話其實還要再重新把這個預算再提出來是這個意思嗎是那你們打算在今年年底提出來嗎還是因為畢竟現在是預算會期我們目前我們的整個規劃是配合年度總預算審查的時間會在今年年底之前提出這個特別預算好 謝謝\n629307\t629328\t謝謝委員\n","txt":"謝謝主席主席有請我們的副參謀總長執行官黃上將副總長然後常務次長也在對不對常次\n因為我要問的問題因為上個禮拜我們已經針對這個潛艦的機密的報告已經做過一些詢答了那麼我想要問的是其實這也跟我們潛艦的進度建造其實息息相關本席是非常肯定就是在潛艦國造跟國防自主戰力上面的提升喔那麼有關於現在希望是在11月底能夠順利的來交建或者是這本席還是強調安全第一\n有安全才能夠有這個真正的國防自主的戰力的提升我相信任何一個東西的製造的過程當中因為它並不是有一個潛力在前所以說能夠打造出來到底這個時間點我們應該只是壓一個目標\n這個我必須要強調我們雖然站在監督的角度但是不論如何我認為國軍弟兄國軍官兵們的安全第一因為這個是未來所有我們國軍弟兄尤其是海軍弟兄他們要進入來做使用這一個樣的一個我們自己所製造的海昆號不過在製造的過程當中就是因為涉及機密那麼\n在上個禮拜其實這個我們的國安局蔡局長也說了中共對我們的認知作戰不斷的進行當中本席特別整理了在海昆號在這一段時間以來尤其是在6月17號啟動海策之後這些不利的訊息包括謠言說海策的這個\n艦體會變形然後稱我們是模型艦是玩具中共的官媒甚至於說海昆號不堪一擊甚至於錯誤類比日本的這個所謂蒼金號然後造價高然後批評500億打水漂一條爛船還在吹牛然後說台灣人是做潘娜好 我想要請問的就是\n在這些的所謂認知作戰或是輿情作戰當中到底國防部有沒有什麼樣的任何的統計到底有多少的認知作戰因為我認為這個是一種無煙消的戰爭而這些所謂的認知作戰的謠言有沒有預防跟抵抗的能力\n包委員有關這個錯假訊息是幾乎是可以預期的因為的確在現在我們兩岸這個情況之下的確是有人要不斷的想要打擊我們各項不管是建軍或者備戰或者種種所以自然而然一定會有非常多的錯假訊息企圖對我們的民心士氣造成影響有沒有統計過那這一部分我們實際上\n這個國安局長在講國民黨的黨主席選舉的時候啦就有超過上萬條上千則的這個影音然後出現在各種社群平台當中你們有沒有做過統計因為這也是一種戰爭的樣態喔就是打擊就是而且這些樣態是會從境外然後影響到全國人民對於海昆號進度的一種不信任\n那麼立委看到這個部分的時候也可以有人甚至拿這個來做質詢的時候那這個也可以成為打擊你們的一個方向跟目標所以機密的部分我不會去詢問但是像這種無煙消的戰爭正在發生甚至於就透過中國的內容農場成為質詢的部分比如說模型玩具啦會變形啦不堪一期啦\n500億打水漂啦 不然為什麼你們11月底 如果無法如期交建的時候那是不是就剛好正中中國在利用認知作戰來打擊我們的海軍跟海昆號的所謂的建造的過程是 我就請我們的政戰局來跟您做個答案\n委員好我是政戰局局長史順文跟您報告有關於中共的認知作戰他的攻勢其實非常積極包含我們的潛艦在一開始到現在他的這方面的認知作戰的行動完全沒有停止過那麼我們每天都會針對中共對我們的認知作戰做完整的掌握那如果說有比較可以我們可以立即去回應的我們會立即新聞稿或者是\n在包含了跟民間的這個事實查核中心等等我們都會立即的做出反應\n好所以說你們有沒有一個數字的統計比如說每天或是多久大概是有沒有去做量化的統計然後多數是來自於哪些中國的官媒或者是統計數字這個東西有一個詳細的報告嗎我覺得這是一個非常好的這個公開的時刻因為我們都知道面對錯假訊息最重要的就是在必要的時候去做揭露那麼你們有這樣的資訊嗎\n包國瑜 我們有這樣的資訊但是現在手上沒有 是是不是可以提供給本席是 會後就可以提供嗎還是要我們要回去整理一下要多少時間 一個禮拜可以嗎可以因為本席一直認為就是心理戰會影響到整體的海昆號在進展的過程中尤其接下來\n還有海測及其他的這個所謂測試的過程當中只要你有每一次有動作他就可以直接在後面放消息放毒那麼放毒的也是他們我們沒有辦法只要第一時間透過這個方式來做解讀所以我認為這個訊息是很重要的請你在一個禮拜提供一本席也提供我們國防外交委員會好嗎是 我們會持續的掌握而且立即的做出回應\n好 謝謝接下來我要請問的是有關於\n幾個禮拜前我們的賴總統在國慶演說當中說要打造台灣之盾那麼建構台灣分層防禦跟高度感知有效攔截的防護系統喔那麼這個回到我們這一次的年度的2026年的預算當中我們有國防部的主管預算9459億新式戰機的特別預算有399億海空戰力特別預算有293億\n那麼 我們總統也宣示了那就是我們的國防預算要達到GTT的3%那麼在這個部分 這個名詞的出現我想最重要的還是要由國防部來解讀那麼這些預算的編列符合現在總統宣示的有關於要打造台灣之盾的部分嗎\n這部分我請站櫃司司長來做個答覆好 站櫃司站櫃司這邊針對公開的部分跟委員做個補充因為我們現在目前面對的空中威脅從彈道飛彈一直到無人機已經變成一個全面性的威脅所以我們整個布防的這個部分這是一個多年期的計畫涵蓋了之前已經執行的建案還有未來我們即將納入包含自治跟軍購案的這些相關的項目\n那有跟後續 因為目前還在處理當中可能沒有辦法在這邊跟委員做報告但這是一個整體的規劃是 所以這個部分在我們的哪些預算當中是已經編列在年度預算又有哪些未來會用特別預算來做處理嗎\n在前面的部分我們在前面海空戰力提升裡面我們已經針對防空飛彈的部分已經做了編列那在更早之前我們也編列增購102枚的I-3增程型的飛彈\n那後續的這個部分陳儒委員知道的我們在過去愛國者飛彈的部分他並沒有滿足到足夠的數量那隨著中共對我們的空中威脅越來越大事實上我們也必須要做一個完整的規劃把威脅的這個部分跟我們防護目標的部分來做一個結合\n那最重要的是這些飛彈必須加入到新的整合系統裡面去才能夠有效來發揮戰力所以未來我們的目標是從反彈反擊反無人機的這個部分都必須要進入一個完整的整合指管系統有效來發揮各層不同空城跟不同位置裡面武器裝備的效能\n好 我想涉及機密的部分我不會特別來詢問但是就像過去我們剛剛從海昆劍一路以下我們所詢問的就是在採購跟自製的部分這麼樣一個龐大的計畫預算很高那麼有沒有一個規劃是在\n採購的部分跟自製的部分比例又是多少有沒有好好的去琢磨因為我們都知道每一次的計畫當中它連帶的可以帶動我們在軍工產業上面的整體的整個產業鏈的提升喔那麼在這邊國防部有沒有把這個作為思考的一部分那比例又是多少\n有關比例的這個部分因為後續的預算我們還在編列當中在這邊可能沒有辦法跟委員做一個詳述那後續計畫提出來之後當然我們會針對各個計畫尤其是福祉國內無人機以及其他重要產業的這個部分我們會做一個充分的說明那這個部分我們目前仍然在跟行政院以及有關的部會進行研討那後續會再跟委員做一個詳細的報告\n好 所以言下之意就是除了在部分已經放在我們2026的年度預算當中那麼有部分的話其實還要再重新把這個預算再提出來是這個意思嗎是那你們打算在今年年底提出來嗎還是因為畢竟現在是預算會期我們目前我們的整個規劃是配合年度總預算審查的時間會在今年年底之前提出這個特別預算好 謝謝\n謝謝委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.649 --> 00:13.137\n謝謝主席主席有請我們的副參謀總長執行官黃上將副總長然後常務次長也在對不對常次\n\n00:16.087 --> 00:45.658\n因為我要問的問題因為上個禮拜我們已經針對這個潛艦的機密的報告已經做過一些詢答了那麼我想要問的是其實這也跟我們潛艦的進度建造其實息息相關本席是非常肯定就是在潛艦國造跟國防自主戰力上面的提升喔那麼有關於現在希望是在11月底能夠順利的來交建或者是這本席還是強調安全第一\n\n00:46.098 --> 01:03.358\n有安全才能夠有這個真正的國防自主的戰力的提升我相信任何一個東西的製造的過程當中因為它並不是有一個潛力在前所以說能夠打造出來到底這個時間點我們應該只是壓一個目標\n\n01:06.281 --> 01:29.130\n這個我必須要強調我們雖然站在監督的角度但是不論如何我認為國軍弟兄國軍官兵們的安全第一因為這個是未來所有我們國軍弟兄尤其是海軍弟兄他們要進入來做使用這一個樣的一個我們自己所製造的海昆號不過在製造的過程當中就是因為涉及機密那麼\n\n01:30.530 --> 01:54.300\n在上個禮拜其實這個我們的國安局蔡局長也說了中共對我們的認知作戰不斷的進行當中本席特別整理了在海昆號在這一段時間以來尤其是在6月17號啟動海策之後這些不利的訊息包括謠言說海策的這個\n\n01:56.701 --> 02:21.920\n艦體會變形然後稱我們是模型艦是玩具中共的官媒甚至於說海昆號不堪一擊甚至於錯誤類比日本的這個所謂蒼金號然後造價高然後批評500億打水漂一條爛船還在吹牛然後說台灣人是做潘娜好我想要請問的就是\n\n02:24.002 --> 02:44.434\n在這些的所謂認知作戰或是輿情作戰當中到底國防部有沒有什麼樣的任何的統計到底有多少的認知作戰因為我認為這個是一種無煙消的戰爭而這些所謂的認知作戰的謠言有沒有預防跟抵抗的能力\n\n02:45.497 --> 03:12.768\n包委員有關這個錯假訊息是幾乎是可以預期的因為的確在現在我們兩岸這個情況之下的確是有人要不斷的想要打擊我們各項不管是建軍或者備戰或者種種所以自然而然一定會有非常多的錯假訊息企圖對我們的民心士氣造成影響有沒有統計過那這一部分我們實際上\n\n03:14.409 --> 03:17.790\n這個國安局長在講國民黨的黨主席選舉的時候啦就有超過上萬條上千則的這個影音然後出現在各種社群平台當中你們有沒有做過統計因為這也是一種戰爭的樣態喔就是打擊就是而且這些樣態是會從境外然後影響到全國人民對於海昆號進度的一種不信任\n\n03:42.961 --> 03:47.763\n那麼立委看到這個部分的時候也可以有人甚至拿這個來做質詢的時候那這個也可以成為打擊你們的一個方向跟目標所以機密的部分我不會去詢問但是像這種無煙消的戰爭正在發生甚至於就透過中國的內容農場成為質詢的部分比如說模型玩具啦會變形啦不堪一期啦\n\n04:08.413 --> 04:24.554\n500億打水漂啦不然為什麼你們11月底如果無法如期交建的時候那是不是就剛好正中中國在利用認知作戰來打擊我們的海軍跟海昆號的所謂的建造的過程是我就請我們的政戰局來跟您做個答案\n\n04:27.864 --> 04:57.584\n委員好我是政戰局局長史順文跟您報告有關於中共的認知作戰他的攻勢其實非常積極包含我們的潛艦在一開始到現在他的這方面的認知作戰的行動完全沒有停止過那麼我們每天都會針對中共對我們的認知作戰做完整的掌握那如果說有比較可以我們可以立即去回應的我們會立即新聞稿或者是\n\n04:58.265 --> 05:03.981\n在包含了跟民間的這個事實查核中心等等我們都會立即的做出反應\n\n05:04.841 --> 05:28.280\n好所以說你們有沒有一個數字的統計比如說每天或是多久大概是有沒有去做量化的統計然後多數是來自於哪些中國的官媒或者是統計數字這個東西有一個詳細的報告嗎我覺得這是一個非常好的這個公開的時刻因為我們都知道面對錯假訊息最重要的就是在必要的時候去做揭露那麼你們有這樣的資訊嗎\n\n05:31.463 --> 05:35.186\n包國瑜我們有這樣的資訊但是現在手上沒有是是不是可以提供給本席是會後就可以提供嗎還是要我們要回去整理一下要多少時間一個禮拜可以嗎可以因為本席一直認為就是心理戰會影響到整體的海昆號在進展的過程中尤其接下來\n\n05:52.781 --> 06:16.963\n還有海測及其他的這個所謂測試的過程當中只要你有每一次有動作他就可以直接在後面放消息放毒那麼放毒的也是他們我們沒有辦法只要第一時間透過這個方式來做解讀所以我認為這個訊息是很重要的請你在一個禮拜提供一本席也提供我們國防外交委員會好嗎是我們會持續的掌握而且立即的做出回應\n\n06:17.563 --> 06:18.084\n好謝謝接下來我要請問的是有關於\n\n06:23.602 --> 06:44.970\n幾個禮拜前我們的賴總統在國慶演說當中說要打造台灣之盾那麼建構台灣分層防禦跟高度感知有效攔截的防護系統喔那麼這個回到我們這一次的年度的2026年的預算當中我們有國防部的主管預算9459億新式戰機的特別預算有399億海空戰力特別預算有293億\n\n06:51.873 --> 07:10.753\n那麼我們總統也宣示了那就是我們的國防預算要達到GTT的3%那麼在這個部分這個名詞的出現我想最重要的還是要由國防部來解讀那麼這些預算的編列符合現在總統宣示的有關於要打造台灣之盾的部分嗎\n\n07:12.244 --> 07:40.135\n這部分我請站櫃司司長來做個答覆好站櫃司站櫃司這邊針對公開的部分跟委員做個補充因為我們現在目前面對的空中威脅從彈道飛彈一直到無人機已經變成一個全面性的威脅所以我們整個布防的這個部分這是一個多年期的計畫涵蓋了之前已經執行的建案還有未來我們即將納入包含自治跟軍購案的這些相關的項目\n\n07:40.535 --> 07:54.731\n那有跟後續因為目前還在處理當中可能沒有辦法在這邊跟委員做報告但這是一個整體的規劃是所以這個部分在我們的哪些預算當中是已經編列在年度預算又有哪些未來會用特別預算來做處理嗎\n\n07:55.913 --> 08:07.887\n在前面的部分我們在前面海空戰力提升裡面我們已經針對防空飛彈的部分已經做了編列那在更早之前我們也編列增購102枚的I-3增程型的飛彈\n\n08:11.952 --> 08:29.915\n那後續的這個部分陳儒委員知道的我們在過去愛國者飛彈的部分他並沒有滿足到足夠的數量那隨著中共對我們的空中威脅越來越大事實上我們也必須要做一個完整的規劃把威脅的這個部分跟我們防護目標的部分來做一個結合\n\n08:30.856 --> 08:55.070\n那最重要的是這些飛彈必須加入到新的整合系統裡面去才能夠有效來發揮戰力所以未來我們的目標是從反彈反擊反無人機的這個部分都必須要進入一個完整的整合指管系統有效來發揮各層不同空城跟不同位置裡面武器裝備的效能\n\n08:55.526 --> 09:06.461\n好我想涉及機密的部分我不會特別來詢問但是就像過去我們剛剛從海昆劍一路以下我們所詢問的就是在採購跟自製的部分這麼樣一個龐大的計畫預算很高那麼有沒有一個規劃是在\n\n09:11.708 --> 09:30.011\n採購的部分跟自製的部分比例又是多少有沒有好好的去琢磨因為我們都知道每一次的計畫當中它連帶的可以帶動我們在軍工產業上面的整體的整個產業鏈的提升喔那麼在這邊國防部有沒有把這個作為思考的一部分那比例又是多少\n\n09:31.225 --> 09:57.872\n有關比例的這個部分因為後續的預算我們還在編列當中在這邊可能沒有辦法跟委員做一個詳述那後續計畫提出來之後當然我們會針對各個計畫尤其是福祉國內無人機以及其他重要產業的這個部分我們會做一個充分的說明那這個部分我們目前仍然在跟行政院以及有關的部會進行研討那後續會再跟委員做一個詳細的報告\n\n09:58.820 --> 10:27.516\n好所以言下之意就是除了在部分已經放在我們2026的年度預算當中那麼有部分的話其實還要再重新把這個預算再提出來是這個意思嗎是那你們打算在今年年底提出來嗎還是因為畢竟現在是預算會期我們目前我們的整個規劃是配合年度總預算審查的時間會在今年年底之前提出這個特別預算好謝謝\n\n10:29.307 --> 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