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00:02:10,649\n也已經報請台北地檢署檢察官在指揮正辦當中那對於他所提到這個集團裡面的相關的包括他的相關的這個所謂水獎的幾個份子或者是這些公司那我們現在大概都有掌握當中我們會配合警方來做一個偵查\n\n8\n00:02:11,789 --> 00:02:32,444\n好那我想知道的是像這樣子的人物他出入境的時候我們到底有沒有辦法第一時間偵獲他是一個問題人物然後包括說他使用的護照到底有什麼問題那他這樣子出入境的記錄我們跟海關之間跟國際的這一些情資之間到底有沒有辦法把這個破洞\n\n9\n00:02:33,485 --> 00:02:52,746\n把它補起來應該沒有問題就是說如果這個對象是讓我們事先掌握這種情形他的出入境對於我們跟移民署的這個相關的這個聯繫那入境完之後再從事的這些相關是不是有非核活動我們是有能力去做監控跟處理的\n\n10\n00:02:53,186 --> 00:03:20,337\n好這個要拜託署長希望這方面因為我認為這是一個對國際上也是對全世界受詐騙在受到非常嚴重的侵害的國家包括最近韓國人也說他們有大概好幾百個人在這個詐騙園區因此釋惑然後回來分享他們的經驗那我認為這個都是非常大的一個進展是的我們一定會全力來打仗的好這個拜託署長謝謝那再來我們請國安局林執行長\n\n11\n00:03:26,984 --> 00:03:54,680\n好署長可以先回座那跟您請教一下我們國慶日當天中國國安部有發布了一個這個台獨水軍的名單那一個是台灣的軍官另外一個是台灣一個公司的王姓負責人然後中國非常大動作的把這個王姓負責人指控說他長期製作然後宣揚台獨的內容只因為他接過台灣政府的228的展覽還有人權走讀工作坊的標案\n\n12\n00:03:55,280 --> 00:04:12,838\n然後甚至說他是一個集團的首腦然後在南部跟我們長老教會有聯繫然後還介入什麼香港的社會運動等等把它說成是一個國際反中聯盟的核心那我在這邊想請教國安局針對中共這樣子的指控有沒有什麼你有什麼表示嗎\n\n13\n00:04:16,891 --> 00:04:33,012\n向委員報告那個職的專業是特種勤務那有關剛剛委員所提問的問題那我將帶回我們局裡向委員再做報告好謝謝林執行長你就是沒有辦法理解這個意義所在就是了\n\n14\n00:04:34,315 --> 00:05:02,954\n我跟您報告這其實很明顯就是跨境鎮壓他很明顯想要侵害台灣的主權把台灣的這一些我們平常公民的活動把他指控是一個說是一個台獨然後要進行相關的制裁這其實很明顯就是在混淆我們台灣的國安的安全這樣子的跨境鎮壓的行為其實不只是針對台灣中共在世界各國上都是用同樣的手法在進行這樣子\n\n15\n00:05:04,495 --> 00:05:10,077\n逾越主權的方式在侵害他國的這樣子的行為所以我在這邊想要跟我們國安局建議的就是其實美國眾議院他們的國土安全委員會的聽證會上就有建議說美國應該也要來進行跨境鎮壓相關的法案\n\n16\n00:05:24,042 --> 00:05:48,108\n來明確定義說這種跨境鎮壓就是非法行為啊你怎麼可以去跨境鎮壓他國的人民呢那更何況我們在做的只是一個公民運動所以我也認為說國安局是不是應該針對這樣子的內容進行相關的檢討難道這個台獨水軍的案件你們到現在都沒有任何的言議或是任何的作為嗎報告委員\n\n17\n00:05:51,351 --> 00:06:10,857\n那就如果是特種勤務的話本中心對於相關的蒞臨場所勤務都有相關的對維安的一些萬全準備那之所以向委員所提到的這類問題因為不在本中心的專業範圍所以將委員的問題我們將會帶回去給\n\n18\n00:06:12,503 --> 00:06:22,956\n好謝謝林執行長我也是希望說既然今天是國安局派來的代表那我們提的這些案件你們應該都要有基本的掌握好謝謝謝謝委員謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n89\t4231\t好 謝主席 我們先請警政署長南加署長\n8018\t36655\t委員長蘇珊好 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