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00:01:51,130\n新竹市我記得好像是清培站有一件然後好像那一個辦公室好像有主委你都還沒有進入狀況我直接把問題丟給你因為你第一次被尋那我也不太為難你可是我希望說把我們關心的問題你能夠好好的去把它給釐清出來新竹大概總共只有三件108年到現在為止大概只有三件那\n\n6\n00:01:52,762 --> 00:02:21,457\n可是目前全國的案件非常非常的多新竹市非常非常的少可是你說因為新竹市比較都會所以說針對青年返鄉然後要創造就業機會這東西沒有需求嗎其實不是新竹市有很多一個創生的一個團隊包括在東門市場當中包括在後站當中都有很多相關的創生團隊可是他們基本上都不在我們這樣子的一個支持的一個清單當中主委你知道什麼原因嗎\n\n7\n00:02:22,598 --> 00:02:47,978\n部分的原因是因為新竹相對於其他縣市是比較繁榮就業比較好啦不是這樣子啦主委我就知道你會這樣簡單的回答可是問題一定不是這麼簡單可是我這邊因為你第一次被選我不想太為難你我想你後續好好去了解一下為什麼會有這麼大的差距因為新竹也許農村不多可是舊城區很多它符合整個創生的一些需求\n\n8\n00:02:48,678 --> 00:03:16,238\n所以我們希望主委針對這個部分你回去好好了解之後再跟本席做一個很清楚的說明好不好就跟委員報告就是說有任何案子過來我們都會接受我們都會很鼓勵的那我現在接下來問下一個問題因為您第一次備詢我就想把幾個重要的我們關心的問題直接跟您這邊做一個質詢桃酒盤大矽谷計畫還要不要往下做當然要啊\n\n9\n00:03:17,134 --> 00:03:37,426\n當然要是不是當然要往下做嘛我為什麼會這樣子問因為從2024年2月22號行政院通過這樣的一個桃君寬大戲舞計畫之後也變成賴總統的一個政見可是我們的一個溝通平台上一次開會是什麼時候主委上一次開會我記得\n\n10\n00:03:40,014 --> 00:03:58,732\n你是說實體嗎?當然當然當然大概1月的時候吧對1月20號是開會嘛1月20號到現在已經9個月過去了喔9個月過去了之後的時候然後所有的平台都沒有開會然後你說地方政府擔不擔心地方政府非常非常的著急啊你知道嗎\n\n11\n00:04:00,093 --> 00:04:23,680\n現在桃竹竹苗地方首長本來就都有一個相關的一個溝通的一個平台的會議可是桃竹苗大細股計畫這個部分的時候中央跟地方的一個平台溝通的一個會議竟然有9個月都沒有開然後你知道今年3月份的時候新竹市政府發了一個函去問我們國發會針對於392公頃竹科S2期範圍當中的一個部分\n\n12\n00:04:29,122 --> 00:04:35,024\n要請行政院核定為國家重大建設結果你知道情況怎麼樣隔了三個月\n\n13\n00:04:37,974 --> 00:04:59,515\n國發會才回函新竹市政府說請新竹市政府向中央權責機關洽詢三個月之後得到這樣的一個答案所以我才問你說我們桃竹苗大系股市到底有沒有要繼續往前走目前看起來是沒有啊整個平台的一個會議九個月沒有開是地方政府發函到國發會來\n\n14\n00:05:02,445 --> 00:05:11,374\n問問題三個月之後尋答推到中央主管機關表示好像跟國發會都沒有關係我這邊要特別講到一個點就是說\n\n15\n00:05:13,623 --> 00:05:37,337\n國發會這邊的時候針對於桃竹竹苗首長他們提出了一個問題九個月沒有開平台會議的時候其實你們有做新聞稿的一個回應新聞稿回應當中的時候提出五點這五點都很虛我只針對你們提到了一個桃竹苗大戲舞計畫你們有五項重大成果這邊我針對這五項重大成果我就很認真的去看\n\n16\n00:05:38,217 --> 00:05:54,754\n包括所謂的太空產業推動計畫生衣育成生態系生成式AI應用與發展國道一號楊梅智頭份段拓寬還有桃園智新竹備援管線這五大成果可是我發現這五大成果都不是在\n\n17\n00:05:57,057 --> 00:06:14,113\n24年2月22號之後的都是以前就有的勒你知道嗎都是從2018年開始就有的計畫然後你跟我們說這是桃竹苗大矽谷計畫的五個重要的一個卓越成效我們就很難理解這到底是什麼情況\n\n18\n00:06:15,353 --> 00:06:38,746\n所以針對這個部分的時候我們希望就是國發會這邊真的要扮演起重要的一個角色不要只是地方政府來詢問你就把文轉出去國發會它不是一個收發文的單位它不是一個只是收公文轉陳情的一個單位我們希望國發會是能夠真正解決問題的一個單位好不好所以我簡單回應一下\n\n19\n00:06:40,368 --> 00:06:54,544\n這個部分跟委員報告一下就是說第一個我們從1月開過實體會議之後的話其實中間開過很多的工作會議因為實體會議我想我們應該在解決是一個比較大的一個議題而不是說很\n\n20\n00:06:55,385 --> 00:07:10,526\n很瑣碎的一些議題所以你講開很多會議是中央開很多會議還是跟地方這邊有做溝通開很多會不會不會平不會開很多會嘛那我再想一個狀態中央跟地方的這樣一個協調平台你下次什麼時候要開你準備什麼時候要開\n\n21\n00:07:12,108 --> 00:07:34,596\n委員是不是可以讓我們先去釐清一下就是說從成立之後到現在我們目前收案的一些情況那我大概有看了一下那個案件其實裡面很多都是非常不需要我們就幾個首長去看理解可是問題是四個首長桃竹竹苗的首長都反映出了一個狀態他們在溝通這相關的問題的時候沒有\n\n22\n00:07:35,546 --> 00:07:50,468\n一個統籌的一個窗口然後國發會這邊都叫他們自己去找原本的主管單位那這樣子的時候這個大計畫大細股這個桃菊貓大細股計畫它有什麼價值所以我們希望主委你剛上來我們希望你好好扮演這個角色然後\n\n23\n00:07:52,093 --> 00:08:12,132\n如果說在三個月內定期會有一個針對桃竹苗大細股計畫的一個追蹤跟一個績效的一個追蹤是不是有辦法我們現在正在思考怎麼樣讓這個平台運作更有效率那目前的想法是說是不是要有一個先有一個工作平台然後幾個專案然後之後再來\n\n24\n00:08:12,893 --> 00:08:27,043\n工作平台應該有了吧有有有有有啊是啊只是說有這個工作平台是感覺都沒有在動所以我特別提到了新竹市政府發文到國發會三個月之後回來叫他們繼續找中央組委單位然後地方\n\n25\n00:08:27,924 --> 00:08:52,303\n桃竹竹苗的行政所長表示這個平台會議九個月都沒有開他們有很多東西要做可是都不得其門而入溝通不順暢原本的溝通不順暢如果說還是找原本的一個主管機關的時候那國發會的價值就沒有了所以我特別要講說國發會它不是一個收發文的單位轉成情的單位它是一個要能夠協助跨部會真正解決問題的單位好不好好\n\n26\n00:08:52,984 --> 00:09:11,330\n那就是剛剛跟委員解釋就是說那個工作平台我想是比較成績比較低的就是在處理一些比較瑣碎的事情那等到這些等到那個案子需要再更高層來決定然後我們會往上送那一個工作平台不是理解齁那個最\n\n27\n00:09:12,550 --> 00:09:28,939\n針對新竹市的部分尤其是我們三月份發出來的這樣子的一個竹克X二期的擴大範圍的狀態的時候三個月就叫他們去找主管機關我想針對這個部分到底卡在哪裡你到時候好好地了解一下到時候再給本席辦公室一個很清楚的一個說明好不好來看怎麼樣解決問題\n\n28\n00:09:30,199 --> 00:09:49,187\n主席再給我30秒時間一下最後我這邊要問一個問題就是因為我們立法院國家發展基金不當投資暨管理師職調查委員會有個調查報告出來嘛他有特別提到了一個旋轉門條款的問題主委你知道這個事情喔知道就是我們國發基金的殖密還有之前的\n\n29\n00:09:50,808 --> 00:10:12,461\n副主委其實他們在很短的時間的時候就到了一個當時審議過的一個我們國發基金投資的一個單位去任職針對這個部分主委你有沒有什麼看法就副主委去轉任這個部分的話因為那個副主委是2018年就離職了那他是2024年才去所以3年5年的那個範圍他沒有這個問題\n\n30\n00:10:13,682 --> 00:10:40,919\n那執密的問題呢執密的這個問題其實我們有去問過全序部跟公共工程委員會那他對於旋轉門必須要規範的人員的話大致上跟我們講是說第一個除非你是目的事業主管機關或者是說你跟他有意見所以不是主管機關的時候你就覺得他沒有問題是不是目前法規上面來講的話我們沒有辦法去限制離職人員的一些工作的一個項目\n\n31\n00:10:42,240 --> 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我就很認真的去看\n338217\t354754\t包括所謂的太空產業推動計畫生衣育成生態系生成式AI應用與發展國道一號楊梅智頭份段拓寬還有桃園智新竹備援管線這五大成果可是我發現這五大成果都不是在\n357057\t374113\t24年2月22號之後的都是以前就有的勒你知道嗎都是從2018年開始就有的計畫然後你跟我們說這是桃竹苗大矽谷計畫的五個重要的一個卓越成效我們就很難理解這到底是什麼情況\n375353\t398746\t所以針對這個部分的時候我們希望就是國發會這邊真的要扮演起重要的一個角色不要只是地方政府來詢問你就把文轉出去國發會它不是一個收發文的單位它不是一個只是收公文轉陳情的一個單位我們希望國發會是能夠真正解決問題的一個單位好不好所以我簡單回應一下\n400368\t414544\t這個部分跟委員報告一下就是說第一個我們從1月開過實體會議之後的話其實中間開過很多的工作會議因為實體會議我想我們應該在解決是一個比較大的一個議題而不是說很\n415385\t430526\t很瑣碎的一些議題所以你講開很多會議是中央開很多會議還是跟地方這邊有做溝通開很多會不會 不會平不會開很多會嘛那我再想一個狀態中央跟地方的這樣一個協調平台你下次什麼時候要開你準備什麼時候要開\n432108\t454596\t委員是不是可以讓我們先去釐清一下就是說從成立之後到現在我們目前收案的一些情況那我大概有看了一下那個案件其實裡面很多都是非常不需要我們就幾個首長去看理解 可是問題是四個首長桃竹竹苗的首長都反映出了一個狀態他們在溝通這相關的問題的時候沒有\n455546\t470468\t一個統籌的一個窗口然後國發會這邊都叫他們自己去找原本的主管單位那這樣子的時候這個大計畫大細股這個桃菊貓大細股計畫它有什麼價值所以我們希望主委你剛上來我們希望你好好扮演這個角色然後\n472093\t492132\t如果說在三個月內定期會有一個針對桃竹苗大細股計畫的一個追蹤跟一個績效的一個追蹤是不是有辦法我們現在正在思考怎麼樣讓這個平台運作更有效率那目前的想法是說是不是要有一個先有一個工作平台然後幾個專案然後之後再來\n492893\t507043\t工作平台應該有了吧有有有有有啊是啊只是說有這個工作平台是感覺都沒有在動所以我特別提到了新竹市政府發文到國發會三個月之後回來叫他們繼續找中央組委單位然後地方\n507924\t532303\t桃竹竹苗的行政所長表示這個平台會議九個月都沒有開他們有很多東西要做可是都不得其門而入溝通不順暢原本的溝通不順暢如果說還是找原本的一個主管機關的時候那國發會的價值就沒有了所以我特別要講說國發會它不是一個收發文的單位轉成情的單位它是一個要能夠協助跨部會真正解決問題的單位好不好好\n532984\t551330\t那就是剛剛跟委員解釋就是說那個工作平台我想是比較成績比較低的就是在處理一些比較瑣碎的事情那等到這些等到那個案子需要再更高層來決定然後我們會往上送那一個工作平台不是理解齁那個最\n552550\t568939\t針對新竹市的部分尤其是我們三月份發出來的這樣子的一個竹克X二期的擴大範圍的狀態的時候三個月就叫他們去找主管機關我想針對這個部分到底卡在哪裡你到時候好好地了解一下到時候再給本席辦公室一個很清楚的一個說明好不好來看怎麼樣解決問題\n570199\t589187\t主席再給我30秒時間一下最後我這邊要問一個問題就是因為我們立法院國家發展基金不當投資暨管理師職調查委員會有個調查報告出來嘛他有特別提到了一個旋轉門條款的問題主委你知道這個事情喔知道就是我們國發基金的殖密還有之前的\n590808\t612461\t副主委其實他們在很短的時間的時候就到了一個當時審議過的一個我們國發基金投資的一個單位去任職針對這個部分主委你有沒有什麼看法就副主委去轉任這個部分的話因為那個副主委是2018年就離職了那他是2024年才去所以3年5年的那個範圍他沒有這個問題\n613682\t640919\t那執密的問題呢執密的這個問題其實我們有去問過全序部跟公共工程委員會那他對於旋轉門必須要規範的人員的話大致上跟我們講是說第一個除非你是目的事業主管機關或者是說你跟他有意見所以不是主管機關的時候你就覺得他沒有問題是不是目前法規上面來講的話我們沒有辦法去限制離職人員的一些工作的一個項目\n642240\t659928\t這樣的話會侵犯到離子人員的公平性所以針對這部分有沒有需要再去調整的部分我想請教一下我們會思考就是說這個部分我們要怎麼樣來我這邊直接具體問一下我們國發基金的代理執密葉淑芳就是您本人嘛你現在在審很多不同的投資案對不對\n661268\t683192\t你如果說現在他挑了一個他們現在國發基金要投資的一個大公司然後讓他順利國發基金去投了投了之後他現在離職進到這個公司裡面去主委你覺得這樣適合嗎如果按照你剛剛回答的方式我讓主委回答因為這是假設性的問題你可能也沒有那麼快離開所以說這是一個假設性的問題像這樣一個狀態的時候你覺得是適合嗎這樣觀感好嗎\n686783\t686803\t好,謝謝\n","txt":"請再詢答 謝謝謝主席我想請一下我們國發會主委葉俊賢 葉主委好 我們再請葉主委\n主委好我想先請教一下因為地方創生計畫是國發會這邊在統籌辦理的我想請教一下110年到114年的計畫總金額大概是多少錢這個部分我方便請木牙給我嗎你剛就職所以有很多東西我們也希望你趕快能夠進到那個狀態當中\n不要耽擱這時間啦我直接跟你講大概有60億啦有60億那我想先請教一下我們今年的執行金額是多少錢\n是13億左右13億因為到去年底為止的時候我們目前執行是35億左右今年要執行13億所以基本上這60億是用不完的那我想請教一下過去這麼多年我們從現在就是國發會當中的一個地方創生的相關網站當中我們去查新竹市總共有幾件\n新竹市我記得好像是清培站有一件然後好像那一個辦公室好像有主委你都還沒有進入狀況我直接把問題丟給你因為你第一次被尋那我也不太為難你可是我希望說把我們關心的問題你能夠好好的去把它給釐清出來新竹大概總共只有三件108年到現在為止大概只有三件那\n可是目前全國的案件非常非常的多新竹市非常非常的少可是你說因為新竹市比較都會所以說針對青年返鄉然後要創造就業機會這東西沒有需求嗎其實不是新竹市有很多一個創生的一個團隊包括在東門市場當中包括在後站當中都有很多相關的創生團隊可是他們基本上都不在我們這樣子的一個支持的一個清單當中主委你知道什麼原因嗎\n部分的原因是因為新竹相對於其他縣市是比較繁榮就業比較好啦不是這樣子啦主委我就知道你會這樣簡單的回答可是問題一定不是這麼簡單可是我這邊因為你第一次被選我不想太為難你我想你後續好好去了解一下為什麼會有這麼大的差距因為新竹也許農村不多可是舊城區很多它符合整個創生的一些需求\n所以我們希望主委針對這個部分你回去好好了解之後再跟本席做一個很清楚的說明好不好就跟委員報告就是說有任何案子過來我們都會接受我們都會很鼓勵的那我現在接下來問下一個問題因為您第一次備詢我就想把幾個重要的我們關心的問題直接跟您這邊做一個質詢桃酒盤大矽谷計畫還要不要往下做當然要啊\n當然要是不是當然要往下做嘛我為什麼會這樣子問因為從2024年2月22號行政院通過這樣的一個桃君寬大戲舞計畫之後也變成賴總統的一個政見可是我們的一個溝通平台上一次開會是什麼時候 主委上一次開會我記得\n你是說實體嗎?當然當然當然大概1月的時候吧對1月20號是開會嘛1月20號到現在已經9個月過去了喔9個月過去了之後的時候然後所有的平台都沒有開會然後你說地方政府擔不擔心地方政府非常非常的著急啊你知道嗎\n現在桃竹竹苗地方首長本來就都有一個相關的一個溝通的一個平台的會議可是桃竹苗大細股計畫這個部分的時候中央跟地方的一個平台溝通的一個會議竟然有9個月都沒有開然後你知道今年3月份的時候新竹市政府發了一個函去問我們國發會針對於392公頃竹科S2期範圍當中的一個部分\n要請行政院核定為國家重大建設結果你知道情況怎麼樣隔了三個月\n國發會才回函新竹市政府說請新竹市政府向中央權責機關洽詢三個月之後得到這樣的一個答案所以我才問你說我們桃竹苗大系股市到底有沒有要繼續往前走 目前看起來是沒有啊整個平台的一個會議九個月沒有開是地方政府發函到國發會來\n問問題 三個月之後 尋答推到中央主管機關 表示好像跟國發會都沒有關係我這邊要特別講到一個點 就是說\n國發會這邊的時候 針對於桃竹竹苗首長他們提出了一個問題 九個月沒有開平台會議的時候其實你們有做新聞稿的一個回應新聞稿回應當中的時候提出五點 這五點都很虛我只針對你們提到了一個桃竹苗大戲舞計畫你們有五項重大成果這邊我針對這五項重大成果 我就很認真的去看\n包括所謂的太空產業推動計畫生衣育成生態系生成式AI應用與發展國道一號楊梅智頭份段拓寬還有桃園智新竹備援管線這五大成果可是我發現這五大成果都不是在\n24年2月22號之後的都是以前就有的勒你知道嗎都是從2018年開始就有的計畫然後你跟我們說這是桃竹苗大矽谷計畫的五個重要的一個卓越成效我們就很難理解這到底是什麼情況\n所以針對這個部分的時候我們希望就是國發會這邊真的要扮演起重要的一個角色不要只是地方政府來詢問你就把文轉出去國發會它不是一個收發文的單位它不是一個只是收公文轉陳情的一個單位我們希望國發會是能夠真正解決問題的一個單位好不好所以我簡單回應一下\n這個部分跟委員報告一下就是說第一個我們從1月開過實體會議之後的話其實中間開過很多的工作會議因為實體會議我想我們應該在解決是一個比較大的一個議題而不是說很\n很瑣碎的一些議題所以你講開很多會議是中央開很多會議還是跟地方這邊有做溝通開很多會不會 不會平不會開很多會嘛那我再想一個狀態中央跟地方的這樣一個協調平台你下次什麼時候要開你準備什麼時候要開\n委員是不是可以讓我們先去釐清一下就是說從成立之後到現在我們目前收案的一些情況那我大概有看了一下那個案件其實裡面很多都是非常不需要我們就幾個首長去看理解 可是問題是四個首長桃竹竹苗的首長都反映出了一個狀態他們在溝通這相關的問題的時候沒有\n一個統籌的一個窗口然後國發會這邊都叫他們自己去找原本的主管單位那這樣子的時候這個大計畫大細股這個桃菊貓大細股計畫它有什麼價值所以我們希望主委你剛上來我們希望你好好扮演這個角色然後\n如果說在三個月內定期會有一個針對桃竹苗大細股計畫的一個追蹤跟一個績效的一個追蹤是不是有辦法我們現在正在思考怎麼樣讓這個平台運作更有效率那目前的想法是說是不是要有一個先有一個工作平台然後幾個專案然後之後再來\n工作平台應該有了吧有有有有有啊是啊只是說有這個工作平台是感覺都沒有在動所以我特別提到了新竹市政府發文到國發會三個月之後回來叫他們繼續找中央組委單位然後地方\n桃竹竹苗的行政所長表示這個平台會議九個月都沒有開他們有很多東西要做可是都不得其門而入溝通不順暢原本的溝通不順暢如果說還是找原本的一個主管機關的時候那國發會的價值就沒有了所以我特別要講說國發會它不是一個收發文的單位轉成情的單位它是一個要能夠協助跨部會真正解決問題的單位好不好好\n那就是剛剛跟委員解釋就是說那個工作平台我想是比較成績比較低的就是在處理一些比較瑣碎的事情那等到這些等到那個案子需要再更高層來決定然後我們會往上送那一個工作平台不是理解齁那個最\n針對新竹市的部分尤其是我們三月份發出來的這樣子的一個竹克X二期的擴大範圍的狀態的時候三個月就叫他們去找主管機關我想針對這個部分到底卡在哪裡你到時候好好地了解一下到時候再給本席辦公室一個很清楚的一個說明好不好來看怎麼樣解決問題\n主席再給我30秒時間一下最後我這邊要問一個問題就是因為我們立法院國家發展基金不當投資暨管理師職調查委員會有個調查報告出來嘛他有特別提到了一個旋轉門條款的問題主委你知道這個事情喔知道就是我們國發基金的殖密還有之前的\n副主委其實他們在很短的時間的時候就到了一個當時審議過的一個我們國發基金投資的一個單位去任職針對這個部分主委你有沒有什麼看法就副主委去轉任這個部分的話因為那個副主委是2018年就離職了那他是2024年才去所以3年5年的那個範圍他沒有這個問題\n那執密的問題呢執密的這個問題其實我們有去問過全序部跟公共工程委員會那他對於旋轉門必須要規範的人員的話大致上跟我們講是說第一個除非你是目的事業主管機關或者是說你跟他有意見所以不是主管機關的時候你就覺得他沒有問題是不是目前法規上面來講的話我們沒有辦法去限制離職人員的一些工作的一個項目\n這樣的話會侵犯到離子人員的公平性所以針對這部分有沒有需要再去調整的部分我想請教一下我們會思考就是說這個部分我們要怎麼樣來我這邊直接具體問一下我們國發基金的代理執密葉淑芳就是您本人嘛你現在在審很多不同的投資案對不對\n你如果說現在他挑了一個他們現在國發基金要投資的一個大公司然後讓他順利國發基金去投了投了之後他現在離職進到這個公司裡面去主委你覺得這樣適合嗎如果按照你剛剛回答的方式我讓主委回答因為這是假設性的問題你可能也沒有那麼快離開所以說這是一個假設性的問題像這樣一個狀態的時候你覺得是適合嗎這樣觀感好嗎\n好,謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.314 --> 00:12.549\n請再詢答謝謝謝主席我想請一下我們國發會主委葉俊賢葉主委好我們再請葉主委\n\n00:22.189 --> 00:43.618\n主委好我想先請教一下因為地方創生計畫是國發會這邊在統籌辦理的我想請教一下110年到114年的計畫總金額大概是多少錢這個部分我方便請木牙給我嗎你剛就職所以有很多東西我們也希望你趕快能夠進到那個狀態當中\n\n00:50.515 --> 00:57.744\n不要耽擱這時間啦我直接跟你講大概有60億啦有60億那我想先請教一下我們今年的執行金額是多少錢\n\n01:01.378 --> 01:23.253\n是13億左右13億因為到去年底為止的時候我們目前執行是35億左右今年要執行13億所以基本上這60億是用不完的那我想請教一下過去這麼多年我們從現在就是國發會當中的一個地方創生的相關網站當中我們去查新竹市總共有幾件\n\n01:25.379 --> 01:51.130\n新竹市我記得好像是清培站有一件然後好像那一個辦公室好像有主委你都還沒有進入狀況我直接把問題丟給你因為你第一次被尋那我也不太為難你可是我希望說把我們關心的問題你能夠好好的去把它給釐清出來新竹大概總共只有三件108年到現在為止大概只有三件那\n\n01:52.762 --> 02:21.457\n可是目前全國的案件非常非常的多新竹市非常非常的少可是你說因為新竹市比較都會所以說針對青年返鄉然後要創造就業機會這東西沒有需求嗎其實不是新竹市有很多一個創生的一個團隊包括在東門市場當中包括在後站當中都有很多相關的創生團隊可是他們基本上都不在我們這樣子的一個支持的一個清單當中主委你知道什麼原因嗎\n\n02:22.598 --> 02:47.978\n部分的原因是因為新竹相對於其他縣市是比較繁榮就業比較好啦不是這樣子啦主委我就知道你會這樣簡單的回答可是問題一定不是這麼簡單可是我這邊因為你第一次被選我不想太為難你我想你後續好好去了解一下為什麼會有這麼大的差距因為新竹也許農村不多可是舊城區很多它符合整個創生的一些需求\n\n02:48.678 --> 03:16.238\n所以我們希望主委針對這個部分你回去好好了解之後再跟本席做一個很清楚的說明好不好就跟委員報告就是說有任何案子過來我們都會接受我們都會很鼓勵的那我現在接下來問下一個問題因為您第一次備詢我就想把幾個重要的我們關心的問題直接跟您這邊做一個質詢桃酒盤大矽谷計畫還要不要往下做當然要啊\n\n03:17.134 --> 03:37.426\n當然要是不是當然要往下做嘛我為什麼會這樣子問因為從2024年2月22號行政院通過這樣的一個桃君寬大戲舞計畫之後也變成賴總統的一個政見可是我們的一個溝通平台上一次開會是什麼時候主委上一次開會我記得\n\n03:40.014 --> 03:58.732\n你是說實體嗎?當然當然當然大概1月的時候吧對1月20號是開會嘛1月20號到現在已經9個月過去了喔9個月過去了之後的時候然後所有的平台都沒有開會然後你說地方政府擔不擔心地方政府非常非常的著急啊你知道嗎\n\n04:00.093 --> 04:23.680\n現在桃竹竹苗地方首長本來就都有一個相關的一個溝通的一個平台的會議可是桃竹苗大細股計畫這個部分的時候中央跟地方的一個平台溝通的一個會議竟然有9個月都沒有開然後你知道今年3月份的時候新竹市政府發了一個函去問我們國發會針對於392公頃竹科S2期範圍當中的一個部分\n\n04:29.122 --> 04:35.024\n要請行政院核定為國家重大建設結果你知道情況怎麼樣隔了三個月\n\n04:37.974 --> 04:59.515\n國發會才回函新竹市政府說請新竹市政府向中央權責機關洽詢三個月之後得到這樣的一個答案所以我才問你說我們桃竹苗大系股市到底有沒有要繼續往前走目前看起來是沒有啊整個平台的一個會議九個月沒有開是地方政府發函到國發會來\n\n05:02.445 --> 05:11.374\n問問題三個月之後尋答推到中央主管機關表示好像跟國發會都沒有關係我這邊要特別講到一個點就是說\n\n05:13.623 --> 05:37.337\n國發會這邊的時候針對於桃竹竹苗首長他們提出了一個問題九個月沒有開平台會議的時候其實你們有做新聞稿的一個回應新聞稿回應當中的時候提出五點這五點都很虛我只針對你們提到了一個桃竹苗大戲舞計畫你們有五項重大成果這邊我針對這五項重大成果我就很認真的去看\n\n05:38.217 --> 05:54.754\n包括所謂的太空產業推動計畫生衣育成生態系生成式AI應用與發展國道一號楊梅智頭份段拓寬還有桃園智新竹備援管線這五大成果可是我發現這五大成果都不是在\n\n05:57.057 --> 06:14.113\n24年2月22號之後的都是以前就有的勒你知道嗎都是從2018年開始就有的計畫然後你跟我們說這是桃竹苗大矽谷計畫的五個重要的一個卓越成效我們就很難理解這到底是什麼情況\n\n06:15.353 --> 06:38.746\n所以針對這個部分的時候我們希望就是國發會這邊真的要扮演起重要的一個角色不要只是地方政府來詢問你就把文轉出去國發會它不是一個收發文的單位它不是一個只是收公文轉陳情的一個單位我們希望國發會是能夠真正解決問題的一個單位好不好所以我簡單回應一下\n\n06:40.368 --> 06:54.544\n這個部分跟委員報告一下就是說第一個我們從1月開過實體會議之後的話其實中間開過很多的工作會議因為實體會議我想我們應該在解決是一個比較大的一個議題而不是說很\n\n06:55.385 --> 07:10.526\n很瑣碎的一些議題所以你講開很多會議是中央開很多會議還是跟地方這邊有做溝通開很多會不會不會平不會開很多會嘛那我再想一個狀態中央跟地方的這樣一個協調平台你下次什麼時候要開你準備什麼時候要開\n\n07:12.108 --> 07:34.596\n委員是不是可以讓我們先去釐清一下就是說從成立之後到現在我們目前收案的一些情況那我大概有看了一下那個案件其實裡面很多都是非常不需要我們就幾個首長去看理解可是問題是四個首長桃竹竹苗的首長都反映出了一個狀態他們在溝通這相關的問題的時候沒有\n\n07:35.546 --> 07:50.468\n一個統籌的一個窗口然後國發會這邊都叫他們自己去找原本的主管單位那這樣子的時候這個大計畫大細股這個桃菊貓大細股計畫它有什麼價值所以我們希望主委你剛上來我們希望你好好扮演這個角色然後\n\n07:52.093 --> 08:12.132\n如果說在三個月內定期會有一個針對桃竹苗大細股計畫的一個追蹤跟一個績效的一個追蹤是不是有辦法我們現在正在思考怎麼樣讓這個平台運作更有效率那目前的想法是說是不是要有一個先有一個工作平台然後幾個專案然後之後再來\n\n08:12.893 --> 08:27.043\n工作平台應該有了吧有有有有有啊是啊只是說有這個工作平台是感覺都沒有在動所以我特別提到了新竹市政府發文到國發會三個月之後回來叫他們繼續找中央組委單位然後地方\n\n08:27.924 --> 08:52.303\n桃竹竹苗的行政所長表示這個平台會議九個月都沒有開他們有很多東西要做可是都不得其門而入溝通不順暢原本的溝通不順暢如果說還是找原本的一個主管機關的時候那國發會的價值就沒有了所以我特別要講說國發會它不是一個收發文的單位轉成情的單位它是一個要能夠協助跨部會真正解決問題的單位好不好好\n\n08:52.984 --> 09:11.330\n那就是剛剛跟委員解釋就是說那個工作平台我想是比較成績比較低的就是在處理一些比較瑣碎的事情那等到這些等到那個案子需要再更高層來決定然後我們會往上送那一個工作平台不是理解齁那個最\n\n09:12.550 --> 09:28.939\n針對新竹市的部分尤其是我們三月份發出來的這樣子的一個竹克X二期的擴大範圍的狀態的時候三個月就叫他們去找主管機關我想針對這個部分到底卡在哪裡你到時候好好地了解一下到時候再給本席辦公室一個很清楚的一個說明好不好來看怎麼樣解決問題\n\n09:30.199 --> 09:49.187\n主席再給我30秒時間一下最後我這邊要問一個問題就是因為我們立法院國家發展基金不當投資暨管理師職調查委員會有個調查報告出來嘛他有特別提到了一個旋轉門條款的問題主委你知道這個事情喔知道就是我們國發基金的殖密還有之前的\n\n09:50.808 --> 10:12.461\n副主委其實他們在很短的時間的時候就到了一個當時審議過的一個我們國發基金投資的一個單位去任職針對這個部分主委你有沒有什麼看法就副主委去轉任這個部分的話因為那個副主委是2018年就離職了那他是2024年才去所以3年5年的那個範圍他沒有這個問題\n\n10:13.682 --> 10:40.919\n那執密的問題呢執密的這個問題其實我們有去問過全序部跟公共工程委員會那他對於旋轉門必須要規範的人員的話大致上跟我們講是說第一個除非你是目的事業主管機關或者是說你跟他有意見所以不是主管機關的時候你就覺得他沒有問題是不是目前法規上面來講的話我們沒有辦法去限制離職人員的一些工作的一個項目\n\n10:42.240 --> 10:59.928\n這樣的話會侵犯到離子人員的公平性所以針對這部分有沒有需要再去調整的部分我想請教一下我們會思考就是說這個部分我們要怎麼樣來我這邊直接具體問一下我們國發基金的代理執密葉淑芳就是您本人嘛你現在在審很多不同的投資案對不對\n\n11:01.268 --> 11:23.192\n你如果說現在他挑了一個他們現在國發基金要投資的一個大公司然後讓他順利國發基金去投了投了之後他現在離職進到這個公司裡面去主委你覺得這樣適合嗎如果按照你剛剛回答的方式我讓主委回答因為這是假設性的問題你可能也沒有那麼快離開所以說這是一個假設性的問題像這樣一個狀態的時候你覺得是適合嗎這樣觀感好嗎\n\n11:26.783 --> 11:26.803\n好,謝謝\n\n","segments":[{"start":0.314,"end":12.549,"text":"請再詢答 謝謝謝主席我想請一下我們國發會主委葉俊賢 葉主委好 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