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00:00:04,313\n謝主席彭部長有請請彭部長\n\n2\n00:00:07,759 --> 00:00:33,845\n劉委員好黃部長午安辛苦了這今天除了光電板之外噪音管制法也很重要這本席作為提案人這花一點點質詢的時間我們提早把一些問題做釐清後面在逐條的時候速度可以加快這我有看到環境部的報告我們這次提噪音管制法修正大概幾個方向第一個是主管機關嘛名字總要修嘛因為升格環境部這應該沒有太大的問題那麼主要是26條也有非常多的委員提大概就是幾個方向第一叫提高罰環嘛\n\n3\n00:00:34,685 --> 00:00:55,312\n第二個要加入吊扣牌照的機制第三是本席提出的加入環境講習分別做這幾件事情來做一下討論第一個請教部長的意見有關於噪音車的橫行都會造成破壞大家生活品質這樣一個狀況部長同不同意應該要予以嚴懲重罰以嚇阻相關行為同意\n\n4\n00:00:56,152 --> 00:01:20,265\n非常同意非常同意所以基本上各委員的版本只要能夠順利的整合提高法環都會支持嗎是支持我們部裡面有沒有自己的版本目前沒有我們都遵照委員的這個意見部裡面沒有自己的版本但是會對支持委員的想法對遵照委員的意見謝謝第二有關於吊扣牌照的機制這部長你覺得怎麼樣從我們的地方環保局給我們的反應他們非常認可這樣的一個制度\n\n5\n00:01:20,965 --> 00:01:35,855\n所以基本上尊重地方意見其實部裡面應該也會從善如流對不對因為本席其實是希望吊扣牌照的機制要盡快來入法而且其實我個人的意見是越嚴格越好啦因為你只有很多有條件搞噪音車的人大概也不怕你罰還啦\n\n6\n00:01:36,856 --> 00:01:57,330\n當然法環是一定要做的嘛你不能不做嘛所以吊扣牌照沒收車輛等等這樣東西才會有效嚇阻好那謝謝部長講得非常清楚第三個比較特別因為其實剛剛前兩個您在你的這個部裡面的書面報告裡面也講得蠻清楚就基本上都表示同意這本期非常感謝我們希望可以趕快完成這個工作那第三個本期提的這個新增262項是講說增加環境講習的規定\n\n7\n00:02:00,812 --> 00:02:18,907\n這個環境講解的意思就是說就像這個現在違反很多道路交通守則的祭典祭到一定程度之後就要去上課嘛那上課對大家來講當然就是一種麻煩嘛那這個麻煩它其實就是一種變相嚇阻的這樣一個效果那我想這個兆英從兆管法的角度來增加環境講習的規定一樣你這個在吊扣牌照跟罰環之間一樣有這種\n\n8\n00:02:22,242 --> 00:02:40,194\n中間的這樣子的一個違規情勢的時候要予以環境講習那這部分因為在書面報告裡面講得很清楚是不是請部長說明一下你們對於環境講習這樣的想法這邊支持委員的提案因為像空污法如果違反的話我們也是要求他們要去上課的真的齁好\n\n9\n00:02:42,535 --> 00:03:01,878\n那本期目前對於詢答的內容也非常滿意我們希望我特別要感謝一下我們廖偉強召委啊特派審的召應管制法剛剛部長都同意啊那我想這修法的時候會很順利我們希望這樣民生法案趕快來三讀之後來質詢感謝部長那我們還是要談一下太陽能光電板部長你也是桃園人對不對你會支持皮糖重電嗎\n\n10\n00:03:03,099 --> 00:03:28,180\n呃基本上齁這個過去已經發生過很多的案例啦齁那基本上因為皮糖其實它是有一定的一個功能啦齁那過去一開始有過但是後來我所知道是都不大接受了是啊我們那時候本席還是桃園市市議員基本上是地方議會當中是強力的反對後來才幫這樣子的案件踩了煞車那最近又開始出現什麼水庫重電等等那當然其實都會有\n\n11\n00:03:28,860 --> 00:03:48,110\n一樣的疑慮嘛包含水質如何來做確保光電板的退場機制等等它其實都是很大的問題所以現在很多的委員都希望比如說納入環評機制或什麼我希望部長要採好環境部的本位嘛好不好我們三個方向來做簡單的提點就好第一個選址跟審查制度啦它可能要比\n\n12\n00:03:48,610 --> 00:04:09,437\n本來更嚴格你一開始做政策鼓勵因為推動綠能這本行願意理解但他如果造成一些成本外部化的時候他本來就要與時俱進做調整所以審查制度的修訂可能是需要思考的第二個是很多委員都講過我就不贅述了廢棄物模組的回收跟處理系統的落實嘛它是一個高成本的問題我們很擔心很多的廠商只會開案但沒有辦法收場\n\n13\n00:04:10,317 --> 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謝謝第二有關於吊扣牌照的機制這部長你覺得怎麼樣從我們的地方環保局給我們的反應他們非常認可這樣的一個制度\n所以基本上尊重地方意見其實部裡面應該也會從善如流對不對因為本席其實是希望吊扣牌照的機制要盡快來入法而且其實我個人的意見是越嚴格越好啦因為你只有很多有條件搞噪音車的人大概也不怕你罰還啦\n當然法環是一定要做的嘛 你不能不做嘛所以吊扣牌照 沒收車輛等等 這樣東西才會有效嚇阻好 那謝謝部長講得非常清楚第三個比較特別 因為其實剛剛前兩個您在你的這個部裡面的書面報告裡面也講得蠻清楚就基本上都表示同意 這本期非常感謝我們希望可以趕快完成這個工作那第三個本期提的這個新增262項是講說增加環境講習的規定\n這個環境講解的意思就是說就像這個現在違反很多道路交通守則的祭典祭到一定程度之後就要去上課嘛那上課對大家來講當然就是一種麻煩嘛那這個麻煩它其實就是一種變相嚇阻的這樣一個效果那我想這個兆英從兆管法的角度來增加環境講習的規定一樣你這個在吊扣牌照跟罰環之間一樣有這種\n中間的這樣子的一個違規情勢的時候要予以環境講習那這部分因為在書面報告裡面講得很清楚是不是請部長說明一下你們對於環境講習這樣的想法這邊支持委員的提案因為像空污法如果違反的話我們也是要求他們要去上課的真的齁好\n那本期目前對於詢答的內容也非常滿意我們希望我特別要感謝一下我們廖偉強召委啊特派審的召應管制法剛剛部長都同意啊那我想這修法的時候會很順利我們希望這樣民生法案趕快來三讀之後來質詢感謝部長那我們還是要談一下太陽能光電板部長你也是桃園人對不對你會支持皮糖重電嗎\n呃 基本上齁 這個過去已經發生過很多的案例啦齁那基本上因為皮糖其實它是有一定的一個功能啦齁那過去一開始有過但是後來我所知道是都不大接受了是啊 我們那時候本席還是桃園市市議員基本上是地方議會當中是強力的反對後來才幫這樣子的案件踩了煞車那最近又開始出現什麼水庫重電等等那當然其實都會有\n一樣的疑慮嘛 包含水質如何來做確保光電板的退場機制等等它其實都是很大的問題所以現在很多的委員都希望比如說納入環評機制或什麼我希望部長要採好環境部的本位嘛好不好 我們三個方向來做簡單的提點就好第一個 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