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00:01:38,352\n好麻煩你會後請提供那我想另外呢近期啊台灣設置在水庫跟集水區光電板遍及全國各地但相關的環評跟耐風性呢也引起了社會高度的一個關注我想請問現在多少的水庫集水區或者是在任何的河面上放置光電板不知道有沒有這樣資料\n\n6\n00:01:39,624 --> 00:01:45,380\n目前掌握的資料大概在是不是在水庫的水面太陽能的暗場大概是有6場6場集水區呢\n\n7\n00:01:48,317 --> 00:02:17,572\n集水區的部分因為我們從今年的1月開始針對於水庫的集水區它特別是屬於在環境敏感的區位20M以上的這個部分現在還沒有任何一個暗場現在經過這個程序審議通過的我們希望還是要關注不管是任何的一個場域都應該有設置就應該要知道那大台中地區有哪個集水區有設置光電板部長你知道嗎\n\n8\n00:02:20,517 --> 00:02:38,988\n水庫集水區是一個非常大的概念舉例而言比如說像高雄或是台中台中的話石岡壩它非常的接近下游若是以水庫集水區的話幾乎整個所謂的大甲溪的流域都是屬於水庫的集水區\n\n9\n00:02:39,648 --> 00:03:02,556\n所以我今天想討論就是台電與大甲溪東市馬鞍後池設置的光電板根據台電的官方說明光電設施的材料為高密度的巨蜥耐酸鹼且不釋放有害的物質每年定期水質檢測台水公司配合確保水質的安全然而地方民眾跟部分團體還是憂心颱風期間漂浮結構安全與水質的長期變化\n\n10\n00:03:07,318 --> 00:03:17,033\n當然也有人在討論所謂的清洗光電板會不會有所謂的一些相關水質的污染我想是不是請部長或者是經濟部再一次的說明\n\n11\n00:03:19,285 --> 00:03:41,280\n針對於我們綠能的發展或是太陽能光電事實上我們在今年年初對於不管是環社的檢核或是景觀生態還有地方知情權都有強化的要求所以基本上我們會先要求說開發業者在當地先召開地方的說明會\n\n12\n00:03:42,642 --> 00:03:55,848\n我想我的問題比較具體一點就是你可不可以能夠具體的保證現在設置這些光電板不會影響到水質可以嗎還有清洗會不會影響到水質\n\n13\n00:03:56,516 --> 00:04:25,255\n那當然因為所有的太陽能的電板都是非常穩定的材料無論是過去設置的或是未來所開發的這個太陽能的耳光電板它的性質都是一樣那過去所設置的我剛剛說明了六處的水庫的這個設置我們定期的檢驗水質不管是經濟部所管或是農業部所管到目前的這個部分定期檢驗的這個結果水質都合乎我們國家的標準好謝謝你\n\n14\n00:04:26,115 --> 00:04:36,047\n那我想在這一個案場當中我所提到的大甲溪那這些設置在設置的之前呢是否全數經過環評檢測\n\n15\n00:04:40,250 --> 00:04:58,488\n他要看那個規模大小那目前就我剛剛所提的啦就以大甲溪我們這一個東勢馬鞍後池那你後面要不要補你是不是應該當初未辦理啊那你環境部憲政在檢討嘛對不對你要要把他納入環評的標準是否會追溯你確定會追溯\n\n16\n00:04:59,308 --> 00:05:13,322\n基本上那個環評的概念是沒有追溯但是新蓋的就要開始接受環評所以我想問就是說這部分是不是應該要追蹤一下我們都很關切啦隨面型的光電板納入審查範圍我想希望能夠啟動這樣環評什麼時候可以\n\n17\n00:05:16,608 --> 00:05:30,741\n目前我們是20公頃所以你有分大小嗎我們有分大小你說一片兩片你說真的是小到可能我們不予計較那就算了可是以大甲西光這個影片\n\n18\n00:05:31,522 --> 00:05:46,704\n所看到的那個暗場那以非專業人士我們都會有所疑慮那當時沒有啟動這個環評那未來能不能追溯去啟動我想位於台風台灣位於這個台風我們非常多\n\n19\n00:05:47,205 --> 00:06:13,925\n而且丹納斯所造成的這樣大面積的一個情況顯示浮動的這個光電耐風性還是明顯不足所以我想部長我強調綠能不可以建立在這個破壞水源的代價之上所以我們也希望未來在環評階段能夠聽取地方的意見加強溝通剛剛有提到也會不管未來如果設置的時候也會有地方的一個說明會對不對這個部分我希望能夠加強那另外我想再請問五街環評的一個審查\n\n20\n00:06:16,107 --> 00:06:29,442\n今天環團在立法院召開記者會對於環境部長就任後首提的環委名單卻因環公獨大遭抨擊那彭部長主政之下官派及民間的領選環委也是健康專長的雙掛鈴\n\n21\n00:06:31,084 --> 00:06:50,535\n那對於這樣子的一個記者會部長環團要求重提環委的名單喔你有沒有什麼要回應的包委喔因為這個環評委員是有一套機制的這個選拔也各界來推薦出來的所以其實那個是我如果環團如果有希望有自己的人選也希望能夠多提出來那基本上所以你願意跟環團溝通\n\n22\n00:06:51,716 --> 00:07:09,822\n其實基本上大家要聽因為那個有一個程序上來之後最後只有一個加倍的名單我可以來勾選那這一次呢總共民間的14位代表裡面有7位7位是屬於環工科系的但是環工也不是說開發智商喔他們自己有一個特別的聲明其中7位裡面有一位教授\n\n23\n00:07:10,222 --> 00:07:27,318\n他本身過去就中國醫藥大學的健康風險評估他就是做健康風險評估的所以這個大家的意見可能並不是如有一些人這樣的其實我們是都有考慮在裡面我對個別的委員沒有意見我想但是這個記者會的內容我想應該多方參考去了解我們會參考\n\n24\n00:07:28,098 --> 00:07:51,300\n那因為在這個911號公佈的第二屆環評委員名單中工程領域他們是說高達9人歷年最多一次那剛剛你有提到有所回應但是呢委員名單分佈且來自四個學科領域是歷屆最少醫藥的衛生委員他們則是掛鈴顯見專業結構單一這是他們的一個說法啦我就希望說部長在本屆環委的隸屬四個這個學科領域\n\n25\n00:07:54,302 --> 00:08:17,874\n創立年新低他的遴選標準跟程序為何那為什麼醫藥掛零這個部分你可以再回應一下嗎包委員其實這個我們都有健康風險評估因為這個環評不是醫藥這不是醫藥的一個問題是健康風險評估所以我們裡面有一位專家就是風險評估的專家在裡面健康風險在裡面好我還是希望能夠多跟環團多做溝通好不好\n\n26\n00:08:19,194 --> 00:08:48,209\n那在這個也跟你另外請教一下據聞本週將進行五街及中游市企的環評大會有此事嗎沒有確定沒有他們的確送了報告但是現在讓委員正在審核當中我自己都還沒有看到所以目前的這個我相信可能委員有一些意見會叫他們提出書面意見目前我們還沒有進到排審的一個階段我想台中人擔心的是針對不論是五街或中游市企均要在台中港搶建LNG的這個接收\n\n27\n00:08:49,130 --> 00:09:02,427\n設施而在多數環工背景的環評委員在中央搜一下會不會有快速環評闖關這是我們擔憂我們希望能夠過程中能夠多溝通更圓融然後也能夠多聽聽地方的意見\n\n28\n00:09:03,609 --> 00:09:21,056\n最後我想講的是噪音管制法今天我剛好在做所謂的提案說明的時候您也有在現場那許多的委員也很關注不管是罰款提高或者是調扣所謂的牌照我想環境部的都是覺得非常樂觀其成是嗎\n\n29\n00:09:21,696 --> 00:09:41,334\n支持委員的想法我們真的希望這件事情能夠加快速度因為民眾真的是苦不堪言所以也非常感謝昭緯這麼有智慧的趕緊排審那我們一起來努力也希望環境部能夠加大力度那最後想請問一下環境部聲音照相的科技執法啟動以來全台已佈建多少套設備\n\n30\n00:09:43,632 --> 00:10:05,192\n幾百套啦幾百套因為之前就跟我講幾百套因為315套你覺得夠嗎當然不夠啊但是我也因為所以看起來還不如趕快修法是吧才化法過了之後我們本來希望更多啦但是才化法過後之後因為我們主計單位也告訴我們說其實有些是地方的直接採購跟補貼\n\n31\n00:10:06,914 --> 00:10:32,161\n鼓勵地方採購我想財發法過後是錢又是權大家一起想辦法那我想不管是因為我也曾擔任過議員地方的採購也是非常緩慢所以我想不管是多管齊下的一個方式來解決噪音改裝的這個問題我們應該來努力那個財閥件數分佈這個是我們會後希望能夠再就教也希望這相關的數據能夠提供給我們好嗎好謝謝\n\n32\n00:10:35,492 --> 00:10:38,864\n謝謝羅廷偉委員發言那我們現在休息20分鐘\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n390\t6201\t謝謝主席 有請環境部 經濟部請洪部長和吃酒\n9156\t35101\t羅委員好部長想跟你就教幾個問題我想我們這一次因為颱風有許多的風電設施擋不住颱風所以造成了整個毀損那我們看到屏東嘉義環境部說有災損的總計有33暗場光電板那當初這些光電板在設置的時候並沒有做環評所以8月27號的時候有要求做事後的補救總體檢請問做了嗎\n36901\t65509\t資料能不能提供這個人員署他們有特別去做我們有協商好 請說我們針對於丹納斯受損的31個案場還有4個比較大型的這個水面的這個案場有去做一些檢驗然後檢驗檢查的這個結果也有請業者在兩個月裡面進行改善兩個月內進行改善大致有多少要兩個月內全部都要兩個月內進行改善全部嗎\n67432\t75648\t相關的這個缺失我們要求他兩個月內進行改善當然依照缺失的情節不一樣他有的是立即改善這樣能不能提供\n77377\t98352\t好麻煩你會後請提供那我想另外呢近期啊台灣設置在水庫跟集水區光電板遍及全國各地但相關的環評跟耐風性呢也引起了社會高度的一個關注我想請問現在多少的水庫集水區或者是在任何的河面上放置光電板不知道有沒有這樣資料\n99624\t105380\t目前掌握的資料大概在是不是在水庫的水面太陽能的暗場大概是有6場6場 集水區呢\n108317\t137572\t集水區的部分因為我們從今年的1月開始針對於水庫的集水區它特別是屬於在環境敏感的區位20M以上的這個部分現在還沒有任何一個暗場現在經過這個程序審議通過的我們希望還是要關注不管是任何的一個場域都應該有設置就應該要知道那大台中地區有哪個集水區有設置光電板部長你知道嗎\n140517\t158988\t水庫集水區是一個非常大的概念舉例而言比如說像高雄或是台中台中的話石岡壩它非常的接近下游若是以水庫集水區的話幾乎整個所謂的大甲溪的流域都是屬於水庫的集水區\n159648\t182556\t所以我今天想討論就是台電與大甲溪東市馬鞍後池設置的光電板根據台電的官方說明光電設施的材料為高密度的巨蜥耐酸鹼且不釋放有害的物質每年定期水質檢測台水公司配合確保水質的安全然而地方民眾跟部分團體還是憂心颱風期間漂浮結構安全與水質的長期變化\n187318\t197033\t當然也有人在討論所謂的清洗光電板會不會有所謂的一些相關水質的污染我想是不是請部長或者是經濟部再一次的說明\n199285\t221280\t針對於我們綠能的發展或是太陽能光電事實上我們在今年年初對於不管是環社的檢核或是景觀生態還有地方知情權都有強化的要求所以基本上我們會先要求說開發業者在當地先召開地方的說明會\n222642\t235848\t我想我的問題比較具體一點就是你可不可以能夠具體的保證現在設置這些光電板不會影響到水質可以嗎還有清洗會不會影響到水質\n236516\t265255\t那當然因為所有的太陽能的電板都是非常穩定的材料無論是過去設置的或是未來所開發的這個太陽能的耳光電板它的性質都是一樣那過去所設置的我剛剛說明了六處的水庫的這個設置我們定期的檢驗水質不管是經濟部所管或是農業部所管到目前的這個部分定期檢驗的這個結果水質都合乎我們國家的標準好 謝謝你\n266115\t276047\t那我想在這一個案場當中我所提到的大甲溪那這些設置在設置的之前呢是否全數經過環評檢測\n280250\t298488\t他要看那個規模大小那目前就我剛剛所提的啦就以大甲溪我們這一個東勢馬鞍後池那你後面要不要補你是不是應該當初未辦理啊那你環境部憲政在檢討嘛對不對你要要把他納入環評的標準是否會追溯你確定會追溯\n299308\t313322\t基本上那個環評的概念是沒有追溯但是新蓋的就要開始接受環評所以我想問就是說這部分是不是應該要追蹤一下我們都很關切啦隨面型的光電板納入審查範圍我想希望能夠啟動這樣環評什麼時候可以\n316608\t330741\t目前我們是20公頃所以你有分大小嗎我們有分大小你說一片兩片你說真的是小到可能我們不予計較那就算了可是以大甲西光這個影片\n331522\t346704\t所看到的那個暗場那以非專業人士我們都會有所疑慮那當時沒有啟動這個環評那未來能不能追溯去啟動我想位於台風台灣位於這個台風我們非常多\n347205\t373925\t而且丹納斯所造成的這樣大面積的一個情況顯示浮動的這個光電耐風性還是明顯不足所以我想部長我強調綠能不可以建立在這個破壞水源的代價之上所以我們也希望未來在環評階段能夠聽取地方的意見加強溝通剛剛有提到也會不管未來如果設置的時候也會有地方的一個說明會對不對這個部分我希望能夠加強那另外我想再請問五街環評的一個審查\n376107\t389442\t今天環團在立法院召開記者會對於環境部長就任後首提的環委名單卻因環公獨大遭抨擊那彭部長主政之下官派及民間的領選環委也是健康專長的雙掛鈴\n391084\t410535\t那對於這樣子的一個記者會部長 環團要求重提環委的名單喔你有沒有什麼要回應的包委喔 因為這個環評委員是有一套機制的這個選拔也各界來推薦出來的所以其實那個是我如果環團如果有希望有自己的人選也希望能夠多提出來那基本上所以你願意跟環團溝通\n411716\t429822\t其實基本上大家要聽因為那個有一個程序上來之後最後只有一個加倍的名單我可以來勾選那這一次呢總共民間的14位代表裡面有7位7位是屬於環工科系的但是環工也不是說開發智商喔他們自己有一個特別的聲明其中7位裡面有一位教授\n430222\t447318\t他本身過去就中國醫藥大學的健康風險評估他就是做健康風險評估的所以這個大家的意見可能並不是如有一些人這樣的其實我們是都有考慮在裡面我對個別的委員沒有意見我想但是這個記者會的內容我想應該多方參考去了解我們會參考\n448098\t471300\t那因為在這個911號公佈的第二屆環評委員名單中工程領域他們是說高達9人歷年最多一次那剛剛你有提到有所回應但是呢委員名單分佈且來自四個學科領域是歷屆最少醫藥的衛生委員他們則是掛鈴顯見專業結構單一這是他們的一個說法啦我就希望說部長在本屆環委的隸屬四個這個學科領域\n474302\t497874\t創立年新低他的遴選標準跟程序為何那為什麼醫藥掛零這個部分你可以再回應一下嗎包委員其實這個我們都有健康風險評估因為這個環評不是醫藥這不是醫藥的一個問題是健康風險評估所以我們裡面有一位專家就是風險評估的專家在裡面健康風險在裡面好我還是希望能夠多跟環團多做溝通好不好\n499194\t528209\t那在這個 也跟你另外請教一下據聞本週將進行五街及中游市企的環評大會有此事嗎沒有確定沒有他們的確送了報告但是現在讓委員正在審核當中我自己都還沒有看到所以目前的這個我相信可能委員有一些意見會叫他們提出書面意見目前我們還沒有進到排審的一個階段我想台中人擔心的是針對不論是五街或中游市企均要在台中港搶建LNG的這個接收\n529130\t542427\t設施而在多數環工背景的環評委員在中央搜一下會不會有快速環評闖關這是我們擔憂我們希望能夠過程中能夠多溝通更圓融然後也能夠多聽聽地方的意見\n543609\t561056\t最後我想講的是噪音管制法今天我剛好在做所謂的提案說明的時候您也有在現場那許多的委員也很關注不管是罰款提高或者是調扣所謂的牌照我想環境部的都是覺得非常樂觀其成是嗎\n561696\t581334\t支持委員的想法我們真的希望這件事情能夠加快速度因為民眾真的是苦不堪言所以也非常感謝昭緯這麼有智慧的趕緊排審那我們一起來努力也希望環境部能夠加大力度那最後想請問一下環境部聲音照相的科技執法啟動以來全台已佈建多少套設備\n583632\t605192\t幾百套啦 幾百套 因為 之前就跟我講幾百套因為315套 你覺得夠嗎當然不夠啊 但是我也 因為所以看起來還不如趕快修法是吧才化法過了之後我們本來希望更多啦但是才化法過後之後因為我們主計單位也告訴我們說其實有些是地方的直接採購跟補貼\n606914\t632161\t鼓勵地方採購我想財發法過後是錢又是權大家一起想辦法那我想不管是因為我也曾擔任過議員地方的採購也是非常緩慢所以我想不管是多管齊下的一個方式來解決噪音改裝的這個問題我們應該來努力那個財閥件數分佈這個是我們會後希望能夠再就教也希望這相關的數據能夠提供給我們好嗎好 謝謝\n635492\t638864\t謝謝羅廷偉委員發言那我們現在休息20分鐘\n","txt":"謝謝主席 有請環境部 經濟部請洪部長和吃酒\n羅委員好部長想跟你就教幾個問題我想我們這一次因為颱風有許多的風電設施擋不住颱風所以造成了整個毀損那我們看到屏東嘉義環境部說有災損的總計有33暗場光電板那當初這些光電板在設置的時候並沒有做環評所以8月27號的時候有要求做事後的補救總體檢請問做了嗎\n資料能不能提供這個人員署他們有特別去做我們有協商好 請說我們針對於丹納斯受損的31個案場還有4個比較大型的這個水面的這個案場有去做一些檢驗然後檢驗檢查的這個結果也有請業者在兩個月裡面進行改善兩個月內進行改善大致有多少要兩個月內全部都要兩個月內進行改善全部嗎\n相關的這個缺失我們要求他兩個月內進行改善當然依照缺失的情節不一樣他有的是立即改善這樣能不能提供\n好麻煩你會後請提供那我想另外呢近期啊台灣設置在水庫跟集水區光電板遍及全國各地但相關的環評跟耐風性呢也引起了社會高度的一個關注我想請問現在多少的水庫集水區或者是在任何的河面上放置光電板不知道有沒有這樣資料\n目前掌握的資料大概在是不是在水庫的水面太陽能的暗場大概是有6場6場 集水區呢\n集水區的部分因為我們從今年的1月開始針對於水庫的集水區它特別是屬於在環境敏感的區位20M以上的這個部分現在還沒有任何一個暗場現在經過這個程序審議通過的我們希望還是要關注不管是任何的一個場域都應該有設置就應該要知道那大台中地區有哪個集水區有設置光電板部長你知道嗎\n水庫集水區是一個非常大的概念舉例而言比如說像高雄或是台中台中的話石岡壩它非常的接近下游若是以水庫集水區的話幾乎整個所謂的大甲溪的流域都是屬於水庫的集水區\n所以我今天想討論就是台電與大甲溪東市馬鞍後池設置的光電板根據台電的官方說明光電設施的材料為高密度的巨蜥耐酸鹼且不釋放有害的物質每年定期水質檢測台水公司配合確保水質的安全然而地方民眾跟部分團體還是憂心颱風期間漂浮結構安全與水質的長期變化\n當然也有人在討論所謂的清洗光電板會不會有所謂的一些相關水質的污染我想是不是請部長或者是經濟部再一次的說明\n針對於我們綠能的發展或是太陽能光電事實上我們在今年年初對於不管是環社的檢核或是景觀生態還有地方知情權都有強化的要求所以基本上我們會先要求說開發業者在當地先召開地方的說明會\n我想我的問題比較具體一點就是你可不可以能夠具體的保證現在設置這些光電板不會影響到水質可以嗎還有清洗會不會影響到水質\n那當然因為所有的太陽能的電板都是非常穩定的材料無論是過去設置的或是未來所開發的這個太陽能的耳光電板它的性質都是一樣那過去所設置的我剛剛說明了六處的水庫的這個設置我們定期的檢驗水質不管是經濟部所管或是農業部所管到目前的這個部分定期檢驗的這個結果水質都合乎我們國家的標準好 謝謝你\n那我想在這一個案場當中我所提到的大甲溪那這些設置在設置的之前呢是否全數經過環評檢測\n他要看那個規模大小那目前就我剛剛所提的啦就以大甲溪我們這一個東勢馬鞍後池那你後面要不要補你是不是應該當初未辦理啊那你環境部憲政在檢討嘛對不對你要要把他納入環評的標準是否會追溯你確定會追溯\n基本上那個環評的概念是沒有追溯但是新蓋的就要開始接受環評所以我想問就是說這部分是不是應該要追蹤一下我們都很關切啦隨面型的光電板納入審查範圍我想希望能夠啟動這樣環評什麼時候可以\n目前我們是20公頃所以你有分大小嗎我們有分大小你說一片兩片你說真的是小到可能我們不予計較那就算了可是以大甲西光這個影片\n所看到的那個暗場那以非專業人士我們都會有所疑慮那當時沒有啟動這個環評那未來能不能追溯去啟動我想位於台風台灣位於這個台風我們非常多\n而且丹納斯所造成的這樣大面積的一個情況顯示浮動的這個光電耐風性還是明顯不足所以我想部長我強調綠能不可以建立在這個破壞水源的代價之上所以我們也希望未來在環評階段能夠聽取地方的意見加強溝通剛剛有提到也會不管未來如果設置的時候也會有地方的一個說明會對不對這個部分我希望能夠加強那另外我想再請問五街環評的一個審查\n今天環團在立法院召開記者會對於環境部長就任後首提的環委名單卻因環公獨大遭抨擊那彭部長主政之下官派及民間的領選環委也是健康專長的雙掛鈴\n那對於這樣子的一個記者會部長 環團要求重提環委的名單喔你有沒有什麼要回應的包委喔 因為這個環評委員是有一套機制的這個選拔也各界來推薦出來的所以其實那個是我如果環團如果有希望有自己的人選也希望能夠多提出來那基本上所以你願意跟環團溝通\n其實基本上大家要聽因為那個有一個程序上來之後最後只有一個加倍的名單我可以來勾選那這一次呢總共民間的14位代表裡面有7位7位是屬於環工科系的但是環工也不是說開發智商喔他們自己有一個特別的聲明其中7位裡面有一位教授\n他本身過去就中國醫藥大學的健康風險評估他就是做健康風險評估的所以這個大家的意見可能並不是如有一些人這樣的其實我們是都有考慮在裡面我對個別的委員沒有意見我想但是這個記者會的內容我想應該多方參考去了解我們會參考\n那因為在這個911號公佈的第二屆環評委員名單中工程領域他們是說高達9人歷年最多一次那剛剛你有提到有所回應但是呢委員名單分佈且來自四個學科領域是歷屆最少醫藥的衛生委員他們則是掛鈴顯見專業結構單一這是他們的一個說法啦我就希望說部長在本屆環委的隸屬四個這個學科領域\n創立年新低他的遴選標準跟程序為何那為什麼醫藥掛零這個部分你可以再回應一下嗎包委員其實這個我們都有健康風險評估因為這個環評不是醫藥這不是醫藥的一個問題是健康風險評估所以我們裡面有一位專家就是風險評估的專家在裡面健康風險在裡面好我還是希望能夠多跟環團多做溝通好不好\n那在這個 也跟你另外請教一下據聞本週將進行五街及中游市企的環評大會有此事嗎沒有確定沒有他們的確送了報告但是現在讓委員正在審核當中我自己都還沒有看到所以目前的這個我相信可能委員有一些意見會叫他們提出書面意見目前我們還沒有進到排審的一個階段我想台中人擔心的是針對不論是五街或中游市企均要在台中港搶建LNG的這個接收\n設施而在多數環工背景的環評委員在中央搜一下會不會有快速環評闖關這是我們擔憂我們希望能夠過程中能夠多溝通更圓融然後也能夠多聽聽地方的意見\n最後我想講的是噪音管制法今天我剛好在做所謂的提案說明的時候您也有在現場那許多的委員也很關注不管是罰款提高或者是調扣所謂的牌照我想環境部的都是覺得非常樂觀其成是嗎\n支持委員的想法我們真的希望這件事情能夠加快速度因為民眾真的是苦不堪言所以也非常感謝昭緯這麼有智慧的趕緊排審那我們一起來努力也希望環境部能夠加大力度那最後想請問一下環境部聲音照相的科技執法啟動以來全台已佈建多少套設備\n幾百套啦 幾百套 因為 之前就跟我講幾百套因為315套 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02:17.572\n集水區的部分因為我們從今年的1月開始針對於水庫的集水區它特別是屬於在環境敏感的區位20M以上的這個部分現在還沒有任何一個暗場現在經過這個程序審議通過的我們希望還是要關注不管是任何的一個場域都應該有設置就應該要知道那大台中地區有哪個集水區有設置光電板部長你知道嗎\n\n02:20.517 --> 02:38.988\n水庫集水區是一個非常大的概念舉例而言比如說像高雄或是台中台中的話石岡壩它非常的接近下游若是以水庫集水區的話幾乎整個所謂的大甲溪的流域都是屬於水庫的集水區\n\n02:39.648 --> 03:02.556\n所以我今天想討論就是台電與大甲溪東市馬鞍後池設置的光電板根據台電的官方說明光電設施的材料為高密度的巨蜥耐酸鹼且不釋放有害的物質每年定期水質檢測台水公司配合確保水質的安全然而地方民眾跟部分團體還是憂心颱風期間漂浮結構安全與水質的長期變化\n\n03:07.318 --> 03:17.033\n當然也有人在討論所謂的清洗光電板會不會有所謂的一些相關水質的污染我想是不是請部長或者是經濟部再一次的說明\n\n03:19.285 --> 03:41.280\n針對於我們綠能的發展或是太陽能光電事實上我們在今年年初對於不管是環社的檢核或是景觀生態還有地方知情權都有強化的要求所以基本上我們會先要求說開發業者在當地先召開地方的說明會\n\n03:42.642 --> 03:55.848\n我想我的問題比較具體一點就是你可不可以能夠具體的保證現在設置這些光電板不會影響到水質可以嗎還有清洗會不會影響到水質\n\n03:56.516 --> 04:25.255\n那當然因為所有的太陽能的電板都是非常穩定的材料無論是過去設置的或是未來所開發的這個太陽能的耳光電板它的性質都是一樣那過去所設置的我剛剛說明了六處的水庫的這個設置我們定期的檢驗水質不管是經濟部所管或是農業部所管到目前的這個部分定期檢驗的這個結果水質都合乎我們國家的標準好謝謝你\n\n04:26.115 --> 04:36.047\n那我想在這一個案場當中我所提到的大甲溪那這些設置在設置的之前呢是否全數經過環評檢測\n\n04:40.250 --> 04:58.488\n他要看那個規模大小那目前就我剛剛所提的啦就以大甲溪我們這一個東勢馬鞍後池那你後面要不要補你是不是應該當初未辦理啊那你環境部憲政在檢討嘛對不對你要要把他納入環評的標準是否會追溯你確定會追溯\n\n04:59.308 --> 05:13.322\n基本上那個環評的概念是沒有追溯但是新蓋的就要開始接受環評所以我想問就是說這部分是不是應該要追蹤一下我們都很關切啦隨面型的光電板納入審查範圍我想希望能夠啟動這樣環評什麼時候可以\n\n05:16.608 --> 05:30.741\n目前我們是20公頃所以你有分大小嗎我們有分大小你說一片兩片你說真的是小到可能我們不予計較那就算了可是以大甲西光這個影片\n\n05:31.522 --> 05:46.704\n所看到的那個暗場那以非專業人士我們都會有所疑慮那當時沒有啟動這個環評那未來能不能追溯去啟動我想位於台風台灣位於這個台風我們非常多\n\n05:47.205 --> 06:13.925\n而且丹納斯所造成的這樣大面積的一個情況顯示浮動的這個光電耐風性還是明顯不足所以我想部長我強調綠能不可以建立在這個破壞水源的代價之上所以我們也希望未來在環評階段能夠聽取地方的意見加強溝通剛剛有提到也會不管未來如果設置的時候也會有地方的一個說明會對不對這個部分我希望能夠加強那另外我想再請問五街環評的一個審查\n\n06:16.107 --> 06:29.442\n今天環團在立法院召開記者會對於環境部長就任後首提的環委名單卻因環公獨大遭抨擊那彭部長主政之下官派及民間的領選環委也是健康專長的雙掛鈴\n\n06:31.084 --> 06:50.535\n那對於這樣子的一個記者會部長環團要求重提環委的名單喔你有沒有什麼要回應的包委喔因為這個環評委員是有一套機制的這個選拔也各界來推薦出來的所以其實那個是我如果環團如果有希望有自己的人選也希望能夠多提出來那基本上所以你願意跟環團溝通\n\n06:51.716 --> 07:09.822\n其實基本上大家要聽因為那個有一個程序上來之後最後只有一個加倍的名單我可以來勾選那這一次呢總共民間的14位代表裡面有7位7位是屬於環工科系的但是環工也不是說開發智商喔他們自己有一個特別的聲明其中7位裡面有一位教授\n\n07:10.222 --> 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