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00:00:38,988\n好主委本席針對你的簡報第10頁AI十大建設今天你要講清楚說明白你怎麼落地我從諾貝爾經濟學獎看創新驅動的發展也要求國發會明確佈局AI十大建設在高雄好在這邊我們諾貝爾獎的啟示經濟成長要靠的是研發創新而不只是靠的是政府的支出\n\n3\n00:00:39,548 --> 00:00:47,775\n那今天已經宣布了AI十大建設希望透過研發矽光紙與算力建設帶動台灣在2040前創造15兆的產值這是您第十頁的簡報50萬個新就業機會隔回在9月的時候也宣布將無人載具納入了\n\n4\n00:01:00,265 --> 00:01:15,317\n好那這樣的一個諾貝爾獎啟示也經濟成長要靠研發創新我請國發會現在開始要評估兩件事情第一個矽光石的技術開發應該鼓勵業者在高雄\n\n5\n00:01:16,077 --> 00:01:36,860\n設立研發據點第二個工部門投入的預算力規劃成長有25倍應以工建計畫在高雄設立算力中心矽光子研發據點算力中心中的兩個10大AI10大建設中的這兩項就應該在高雄\n\n6\n00:01:37,501 --> 00:01:55,757\n那AI時代建設如何落地呢既然有這個諾貝爾獎的一個啟示再看我們的前主委劉靜清他也講了台灣的半導體產業的失宏大概是2032年就會結束最多再延10年最多再延2年2035年\n\n7\n00:01:56,958 --> 00:02:11,355\n好台灣下一個十年的核心產業是什麼AI新十大建設如何落地簡單這三個字關鍵技術在Coop西光子技術重大建設在篆力中心\n\n8\n00:02:11,875 --> 00:02:28,222\n落腳就是在高雄好在矽光石技術在高雄的必要性兩點第一個半導體設備的國產化當然有利於晶圓製造業強化供應鏈的韌性那第二個矽光石是以光訊息代替\n\n9\n00:02:29,083 --> 00:02:46,163\n電訊息以光收發模組來代替金屬導線他當然有這三大特性比這個電子的還高還好是以光矽光子來取代可以有高傳輸低耗能微型化來解決未來這個\n\n10\n00:02:48,765 --> 00:03:11,864\n資訊中心跟數據傳輸瓶頸的關鍵技術既然它可以比我們的電子更好的情況之下投入當然是必要的了好台積電在最新的晶片設計已經發表了COOP西光子的引擎結合晶片封裝與光學傳輸也預計他們要covers的一起的量產\n\n11\n00:03:12,765 --> 00:03:35,233\n好高雄市有台積電高雄市有日月光是國內二奈米跟先進封裝的重鎮所以你的矽光子的供應鏈當然就要就近資源晶圓製造的地點輔導國內所有相關法人模組的廠商檢測業者落地進駐兩個地方南子園區跟橋頭園區\n\n12\n00:03:39,654 --> 00:04:00,108\n好AI十大建設中的算力中心本期再講一次了高雄還是最適合的為什麼呢原因有三第一個高雄百工百業對算力的需求最大第二個高雄的人員自主力最高第三個高雄有發展的決心中央投資成本是最低的\n\n13\n00:04:00,828 --> 00:04:16,397\n好我們說到AI十大建設的算力中心在高雄其中最適合的第一個原因百工百業對算力的需求最大傳統產業與中小企業是高雄的經濟基礎包括農業等\n\n14\n00:04:18,158 --> 00:04:45,635\n那所以呢高雄的相關金屬加工製造業我們的總產值是2330億其中螺絲螺帽等扣借業的蘇美的產值是達到了四分之一多523億相關產業最需要的AI協助轉型提升產品的良率跟降低排碳所以如果你要AI的運用旗艦城市非高雄莫屬\n\n15\n00:04:46,716 --> 00:04:52,345\n那高雄的人員自給率最高過去發展中工業高雄的電力自給率是152.9%超過台北的1.4%超過台中的86%而且目前也積極推動屋頂光電\n\n16\n00:05:02,020 --> 00:05:29,055\n所以這整個光電的總備案容量已經突破了1GW超過雙倍全國最不可能缺電的城市最適合設置算率中心的就是在高雄那第三個高雄有發展的決心中央投資成本最高高雄在今年已經攜手了輝達鴻海各電信業者打造全國第一個城市級的主權AI\n\n17\n00:05:30,436 --> 00:05:47,686\n在高雄雅灣這個以鴻海以輝達的超級晶片的這個GB200的伺服器為核心來建置算力中心這是民間喔他們民間也預計2026年明年完工喔那中央你做了什麼事\n\n18\n00:05:48,106 --> 00:06:12,777\n你只有擴大投資建設公部門的算力中心鼓勵企業運用算力才能促成百工百業的轉型主委要看清楚民間已經走在前面了你有AI十大建設其中的算力中心你要公部門投入現在你要落腳在哪裡不二選擇就是在高雄\n\n19\n00:06:13,317 --> 00:06:40,415\n好AI新十大建設要具體落地高雄高雄高雄無人載具跟AI都需要百工百業的垂直運用而無人載具用的控制跟操作都是仰賴人工智慧所以在高雄形成人工智慧矽光子無人機的產業鏈與產業聚落才是對國家最好的政策護國產業在高雄\n\n20\n00:06:41,860 --> 00:07:00,022\n我這句話再講清楚高雄市形成人工智慧矽光子無人機這三大產業鏈跟產業聚落是才是對國家最好的策略護國產業在高雄\n\n21\n00:07:00,942 --> 00:07:20,181\n從無人載具與軍工產業推動產業的AI化這個我就稍微提一下在10月3號對卓院長的質詢要求在高雄設立國際AI無人載具產業中心再次的在10月13號對鞏部長的質詢提出了無人機可以屏占轉換\n\n22\n00:07:21,882 --> 00:07:46,298\n的一個這樣的論點以及我們的無人船已經應用在AI國內的台船中信中科院榮德其實都已經在做無人船的研發高雄的旗津跟興達港是打造研發跟測試的基地這些都需要AI也就是你的算力中心這個工建工部門投資的工建\n\n23\n00:07:46,838 --> 00:08:15,352\n的一個設施來支援我們的這個無人載具的產業聚落結合我軍工產業無人機無人艇這個無人船的落腳在高雄的一個支援的很重要的工建的設施好這邊具體要求了請國發會檢討AI新十大建設的推動方向嚴禮南部各縣市落地的計畫與施政並在一個月內提供第二個請國發會\n\n24\n00:08:17,513 --> 00:08:38,798\n規劃高雄設置矽光子產業開發平台及算力中心來接軌二奈米跟先進封裝的量產趨速加速推動半導體設備的自主國產化好來主委請回答題目很簡單AI十大建設當中的兩大建設矽光子的一個這個開發平台\n\n25\n00:08:44,019 --> 00:09:05,829\n第二個算率中心那就是在高雄請具體回應好謝謝委員那我就這兩個委員關心的議題回應委員就是說在矽光子這個部分的話我目前就是說經濟部正在討論那經濟部原則上來講會傾向就是說在矽光子這個部分的開發可能會在高雄這個部分那非常好\n\n26\n00:09:07,106 --> 00:09:28,844\n再講一次經濟部的矽光子的平台目前規劃在高雄是嗎在規劃在哪裡在規劃在高雄好OK好那繼續對那另外一個就算力這個部分跟委員報告一下就是說在公部門這一塊的話因為行政院已經\n\n27\n00:09:32,455 --> 00:09:53,131\n定就是說沙倫是新建的AI算力中心但這個部分在高雄這部分我們再跟那個國科會再商量一下看有沒有那一個一些可能這樣子然後另外一個這是公部門私部門這個部分來講的話鴻海就好像剛剛委員的那個簡報也有提到鴻海會在高雄建立所謂的算力算力中心那另外就是說\n\n28\n00:09:54,412 --> 00:10:20,222\n高雄的那個算力中心我們可能正在研議說是不是納入AI新時代建設所以你想這是另外一個我講了你雖然說沙崙在現在目前工部門的放在這個沙崙那你現在在高雄的你要研發什麼你要在算力中心你要做什麼規劃算力中心的話就私部門這一塊會在那個高雄什麼叫做私部門鴻海那他做就好啦不需要你花什麼錢啊\n\n29\n00:10:21,598 --> 00:10:36,800\n他自己花錢本席要求我已經講得很明了如果你的我的這個無人載具產業中心是在這是經濟部在做研議他現在在做研議你的無人載具AI中心是在落腳在高雄無人機無人艇\n\n30\n00:10:39,102 --> 00:10:54,989\n這樣的一個的軍工產業要在接軌台美的軍工產業鏈當中當然這個持足都是要算力中心的資源所以你在沙崙我沒有意見你沒有在一個直接在高雄資源的話\n\n31\n00:10:55,649 --> 00:11:14,848\n那你不可能有能夠撐起在整個全國在台美的軍工產業當中無人機無人艇的一個落實聚落在高雄所以你很明顯高雄是比台南更有產業聚落的你不要再重蹈加疫無人機的錯誤\n\n32\n00:11:16,590 --> 00:11:35,882\n有水有電還有什麼有聚酪如果說你的算力中心要有水有電有聚酪這個聚酪很明顯未來的這個無人載具軍工產業無人機無人艇在高雄的話你沒有一個工建的部門你都要刻意的回答給我們支援這樣說的說得對\n\n33\n00:11:37,723 --> 00:11:49,046\n一個國家級的無人載具中心然後呢你說你的無人算地中心是在靠個揮打然後你有十大建設50億然後呢這個東西呢高雄就不需要那你覺得講得過去嗎研議一下好嗎一個月內提出來好嗎好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n5459\t6087\t我們再請主委\n11593\t38988\t好 主委本席針對你的簡報第10頁AI十大建設今天你要講清楚說明白你怎麼落地我從諾貝爾經濟學獎看創新驅動的發展也要求國發會明確佈局AI十大建設在高雄好 在這邊我們諾貝爾獎的啟示經濟成長要靠的是研發創新而不只是靠的是政府的支出\n39548\t47775\t那今天已經宣布了AI十大建設希望透過研發矽光紙與算力建設帶動台灣在2040前創造15兆的產值這是您第十頁的簡報50萬個新就業機會隔回在9月的時候也宣布將無人載具納入了\n60265\t75317\t好那這樣的一個諾貝爾獎啟示也經濟成長要靠研發創新我請國發會現在開始要評估兩件事情第一個矽光石的技術開發應該鼓勵業者在高雄\n76077\t96860\t設立研發據點第二個工部門投入的預算力規劃成長有25倍應以工建計畫在高雄設立算力中心矽光子研發據點算力中心中的兩個10大AI10大建設中的這兩項就應該在高雄\n97501\t115757\t那AI時代建設如何落地呢既然有這個諾貝爾獎的一個啟示再看我們的前主委劉靜清他也講了台灣的半導體產業的失宏大概是2032年就會結束最多再延10年最多再延2年2035年\n116958\t131355\t好 台灣下一個十年的核心產業是什麼AI新十大建設如何落地簡單這三個字關鍵技術在Coop西光子技術重大建設在篆力中心\n131875\t148222\t落腳就是在高雄好在矽光石技術在高雄的必要性兩點第一個半導體設備的國產化當然有利於晶圓製造業強化供應鏈的韌性那第二個矽光石是以光訊息代替\n149083\t166163\t電訊息以光收發模組來代替金屬導線他當然有這三大特性比這個電子的還高還好是以光矽光子來取代可以有高傳輸低耗能微型化來解決未來這個\n168765\t191864\t資訊中心跟數據傳輸瓶頸的關鍵技術既然它可以比我們的電子更好的情況之下投入當然是必要的了好 台積電在最新的晶片設計已經發表了COOP西光子的引擎結合晶片封裝與光學傳輸也預計他們要covers的一起的量產\n192765\t215233\t好高雄市有台積電高雄市有日月光是國內二奈米跟先進封裝的重鎮所以你的矽光子的供應鏈當然就要就近資源晶圓製造的地點輔導國內所有相關法人模組的廠商檢測業者落地進駐兩個地方南子園區跟橋頭園區\n219654\t240108\t好AI十大建設中的算力中心本期再講一次了高雄還是最適合的為什麼呢原因有三第一個高雄百工百業對算力的需求最大第二個高雄的人員自主力最高第三個高雄有發展的決心中央投資成本是最低的\n240828\t256397\t好我們說到AI十大建設的算力中心在高雄其中最適合的第一個原因百工百業對算力的需求最大傳統產業與中小企業是高雄的經濟基礎包括農業等\n258158\t285635\t那所以呢高雄的相關金屬加工製造業我們的總產值是2330億其中螺絲螺帽等扣借業的蘇美的產值是達到了四分之一多523億相關產業最需要的AI協助轉型提升產品的良率跟降低排碳所以如果你要AI的運用旗艦城市非高雄莫屬\n286716\t292345\t那高雄的人員自給率最高過去發展中工業高雄的電力自給率是152.9%超過台北的1.4%超過台中的86%而且目前也積極推動屋頂光電\n302020\t329055\t所以這整個光電的總備案容量已經突破了1GW超過雙倍全國最不可能缺電的城市最適合設置算率中心的就是在高雄那第三個高雄有發展的決心中央投資成本最高高雄在今年已經攜手了輝達鴻海各電信業者打造全國第一個城市級的主權AI\n330436\t347686\t在高雄雅灣這個以鴻海以輝達的超級晶片的這個GB200的伺服器為核心來建置算力中心這是民間喔他們民間也預計2026年明年完工喔那中央你做了什麼事\n348106\t372777\t你只有擴大投資建設公部門的算力中心鼓勵企業運用算力才能促成百工百業的轉型主委要看清楚民間已經走在前面了你有AI十大建設其中的算力中心你要公部門投入現在你要落腳在哪裡不二選擇就是在高雄\n373317\t400415\t好 AI新十大建設要具體落地高雄高雄高雄無人載具跟AI都需要百工百業的垂直運用而無人載具用的控制跟操作都是仰賴人工智慧所以在高雄形成人工智慧矽光子無人機的產業鏈與產業聚落才是對國家最好的政策護國產業在高雄\n401860\t420022\t我這句話再講清楚高雄市形成人工智慧矽光子無人機這三大產業鏈跟產業聚落是才是對國家最好的策略護國產業在高雄\n420942\t440181\t從無人載具與軍工產業推動產業的AI化這個我就稍微提一下在10月3號對卓院長的質詢要求在高雄設立國際AI無人載具產業中心再次的在10月13號對鞏部長的質詢提出了無人機可以屏占轉換\n441882\t466298\t的一個這樣的論點以及我們的無人船已經應用在AI國內的台船中信中科院榮德其實都已經在做無人船的研發高雄的旗津跟興達港是打造研發跟測試的基地這些都需要AI也就是你的算力中心這個工建工部門投資的工建\n466838\t495352\t的一個設施來支援我們的這個無人載具的產業聚落結合我軍工產業無人機無人艇這個無人船的落腳在高雄的一個支援的很重要的工建的設施好這邊具體要求了請國發會檢討AI新十大建設的推動方向嚴禮南部各縣市落地的計畫與施政並在一個月內提供第二個請國發會\n497513\t518798\t規劃高雄設置矽光子產業開發平台及算力中心來接軌二奈米跟先進封裝的量產趨速加速推動半導體設備的自主國產化好來主委請回答題目很簡單AI十大建設當中的兩大建設矽光子的一個這個開發平台\n524019\t545829\t第二個算率中心那就是在高雄請具體回應好謝謝委員那我就這兩個委員關心的議題回應委員就是說在矽光子這個部分的話我目前就是說經濟部正在討論那經濟部原則上來講會傾向就是說在矽光子這個部分的開發可能會在高雄這個部分那非常好\n547106\t568844\t再講一次經濟部的矽光子的平台目前規劃在高雄是嗎在規劃在哪裡在規劃在高雄好OK好那繼續對那另外一個就算力這個部分跟委員報告一下就是說在公部門這一塊的話因為行政院已經\n572455\t593131\t定就是說沙倫是新建的AI算力中心但這個部分在高雄這部分我們再跟那個國科會再商量一下看有沒有那一個一些可能這樣子然後另外一個這是公部門私部門這個部分來講的話鴻海就好像剛剛委員的那個簡報也有提到鴻海會在高雄建立所謂的算力算力中心那另外就是說\n594412\t620222\t高雄的那個算力中心我們可能正在研議說是不是納入AI新時代建設所以你想這是另外一個我講了你雖然說沙崙在現在目前工部門的放在這個沙崙那你現在在高雄的你要研發什麼你要在算力中心你要做什麼規劃算力中心的話就私部門這一塊會在那個高雄什麼叫做私部門鴻海那他做就好啦不需要你花什麼錢啊\n621598\t636800\t他自己花錢 本席要求我已經講得很明了如果你的我的這個無人載具產業中心是在這是經濟部在做研議他現在在做研議你的無人載具AI中心是在落腳在高雄無人機無人艇\n639102\t654989\t這樣的一個的軍工產業要在接軌台美的軍工產業鏈當中當然這個持足都是要算力中心的資源所以你在沙崙我沒有意見你沒有在一個直接在高雄資源的話\n655649\t674848\t那你不可能有能夠撐起在整個全國在台美的軍工產業當中無人機無人艇的一個落實聚落在高雄所以你很明顯高雄是比台南更有產業聚落的你不要再重蹈加疫無人機的錯誤\n676590\t695882\t有水有電還有什麼有聚酪如果說你的算力中心要有水有電有聚酪這個聚酪很明顯未來的這個無人載具軍工產業無人機無人艇在高雄的話你沒有一個工建的部門你都要刻意的回答給我們支援這樣說的說得對\n697723\t709046\t一個國家級的無人載具中心然後呢你說你的無人算地中心是在靠個揮打然後你有十大建設50億然後呢這個東西呢高雄就不需要那你覺得講得過去嗎 研議一下好嗎一個月內提出來好嗎好 謝謝\n","txt":"我們再請主委\n好 主委本席針對你的簡報第10頁AI十大建設今天你要講清楚說明白你怎麼落地我從諾貝爾經濟學獎看創新驅動的發展也要求國發會明確佈局AI十大建設在高雄好 在這邊我們諾貝爾獎的啟示經濟成長要靠的是研發創新而不只是靠的是政府的支出\n那今天已經宣布了AI十大建設希望透過研發矽光紙與算力建設帶動台灣在2040前創造15兆的產值這是您第十頁的簡報50萬個新就業機會隔回在9月的時候也宣布將無人載具納入了\n好那這樣的一個諾貝爾獎啟示也經濟成長要靠研發創新我請國發會現在開始要評估兩件事情第一個矽光石的技術開發應該鼓勵業者在高雄\n設立研發據點第二個工部門投入的預算力規劃成長有25倍應以工建計畫在高雄設立算力中心矽光子研發據點算力中心中的兩個10大AI10大建設中的這兩項就應該在高雄\n那AI時代建設如何落地呢既然有這個諾貝爾獎的一個啟示再看我們的前主委劉靜清他也講了台灣的半導體產業的失宏大概是2032年就會結束最多再延10年最多再延2年2035年\n好 台灣下一個十年的核心產業是什麼AI新十大建設如何落地簡單這三個字關鍵技術在Coop西光子技術重大建設在篆力中心\n落腳就是在高雄好在矽光石技術在高雄的必要性兩點第一個半導體設備的國產化當然有利於晶圓製造業強化供應鏈的韌性那第二個矽光石是以光訊息代替\n電訊息以光收發模組來代替金屬導線他當然有這三大特性比這個電子的還高還好是以光矽光子來取代可以有高傳輸低耗能微型化來解決未來這個\n資訊中心跟數據傳輸瓶頸的關鍵技術既然它可以比我們的電子更好的情況之下投入當然是必要的了好 台積電在最新的晶片設計已經發表了COOP西光子的引擎結合晶片封裝與光學傳輸也預計他們要covers的一起的量產\n好高雄市有台積電高雄市有日月光是國內二奈米跟先進封裝的重鎮所以你的矽光子的供應鏈當然就要就近資源晶圓製造的地點輔導國內所有相關法人模組的廠商檢測業者落地進駐兩個地方南子園區跟橋頭園區\n好AI十大建設中的算力中心本期再講一次了高雄還是最適合的為什麼呢原因有三第一個高雄百工百業對算力的需求最大第二個高雄的人員自主力最高第三個高雄有發展的決心中央投資成本是最低的\n好我們說到AI十大建設的算力中心在高雄其中最適合的第一個原因百工百業對算力的需求最大傳統產業與中小企業是高雄的經濟基礎包括農業等\n那所以呢高雄的相關金屬加工製造業我們的總產值是2330億其中螺絲螺帽等扣借業的蘇美的產值是達到了四分之一多523億相關產業最需要的AI協助轉型提升產品的良率跟降低排碳所以如果你要AI的運用旗艦城市非高雄莫屬\n那高雄的人員自給率最高過去發展中工業高雄的電力自給率是152.9%超過台北的1.4%超過台中的86%而且目前也積極推動屋頂光電\n所以這整個光電的總備案容量已經突破了1GW超過雙倍全國最不可能缺電的城市最適合設置算率中心的就是在高雄那第三個高雄有發展的決心中央投資成本最高高雄在今年已經攜手了輝達鴻海各電信業者打造全國第一個城市級的主權AI\n在高雄雅灣這個以鴻海以輝達的超級晶片的這個GB200的伺服器為核心來建置算力中心這是民間喔他們民間也預計2026年明年完工喔那中央你做了什麼事\n你只有擴大投資建設公部門的算力中心鼓勵企業運用算力才能促成百工百業的轉型主委要看清楚民間已經走在前面了你有AI十大建設其中的算力中心你要公部門投入現在你要落腳在哪裡不二選擇就是在高雄\n好 AI新十大建設要具體落地高雄高雄高雄無人載具跟AI都需要百工百業的垂直運用而無人載具用的控制跟操作都是仰賴人工智慧所以在高雄形成人工智慧矽光子無人機的產業鏈與產業聚落才是對國家最好的政策護國產業在高雄\n我這句話再講清楚高雄市形成人工智慧矽光子無人機這三大產業鏈跟產業聚落是才是對國家最好的策略護國產業在高雄\n從無人載具與軍工產業推動產業的AI化這個我就稍微提一下在10月3號對卓院長的質詢要求在高雄設立國際AI無人載具產業中心再次的在10月13號對鞏部長的質詢提出了無人機可以屏占轉換\n的一個這樣的論點以及我們的無人船已經應用在AI國內的台船中信中科院榮德其實都已經在做無人船的研發高雄的旗津跟興達港是打造研發跟測試的基地這些都需要AI也就是你的算力中心這個工建工部門投資的工建\n的一個設施來支援我們的這個無人載具的產業聚落結合我軍工產業無人機無人艇這個無人船的落腳在高雄的一個支援的很重要的工建的設施好這邊具體要求了請國發會檢討AI新十大建設的推動方向嚴禮南部各縣市落地的計畫與施政並在一個月內提供第二個請國發會\n規劃高雄設置矽光子產業開發平台及算力中心來接軌二奈米跟先進封裝的量產趨速加速推動半導體設備的自主國產化好來主委請回答題目很簡單AI十大建設當中的兩大建設矽光子的一個這個開發平台\n第二個算率中心那就是在高雄請具體回應好謝謝委員那我就這兩個委員關心的議題回應委員就是說在矽光子這個部分的話我目前就是說經濟部正在討論那經濟部原則上來講會傾向就是說在矽光子這個部分的開發可能會在高雄這個部分那非常好\n再講一次經濟部的矽光子的平台目前規劃在高雄是嗎在規劃在哪裡在規劃在高雄好OK好那繼續對那另外一個就算力這個部分跟委員報告一下就是說在公部門這一塊的話因為行政院已經\n定就是說沙倫是新建的AI算力中心但這個部分在高雄這部分我們再跟那個國科會再商量一下看有沒有那一個一些可能這樣子然後另外一個這是公部門私部門這個部分來講的話鴻海就好像剛剛委員的那個簡報也有提到鴻海會在高雄建立所謂的算力算力中心那另外就是說\n高雄的那個算力中心我們可能正在研議說是不是納入AI新時代建設所以你想這是另外一個我講了你雖然說沙崙在現在目前工部門的放在這個沙崙那你現在在高雄的你要研發什麼你要在算力中心你要做什麼規劃算力中心的話就私部門這一塊會在那個高雄什麼叫做私部門鴻海那他做就好啦不需要你花什麼錢啊\n他自己花錢 本席要求我已經講得很明了如果你的我的這個無人載具產業中心是在這是經濟部在做研議他現在在做研議你的無人載具AI中心是在落腳在高雄無人機無人艇\n這樣的一個的軍工產業要在接軌台美的軍工產業鏈當中當然這個持足都是要算力中心的資源所以你在沙崙我沒有意見你沒有在一個直接在高雄資源的話\n那你不可能有能夠撐起在整個全國在台美的軍工產業當中無人機無人艇的一個落實聚落在高雄所以你很明顯高雄是比台南更有產業聚落的你不要再重蹈加疫無人機的錯誤\n有水有電還有什麼有聚酪如果說你的算力中心要有水有電有聚酪這個聚酪很明顯未來的這個無人載具軍工產業無人機無人艇在高雄的話你沒有一個工建的部門你都要刻意的回答給我們支援這樣說的說得對\n一個國家級的無人載具中心然後呢你說你的無人算地中心是在靠個揮打然後你有十大建設50億然後呢這個東西呢高雄就不需要那你覺得講得過去嗎 研議一下好嗎一個月內提出來好嗎好 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:05.459 --> 00:06.087\n我們再請主委\n\n00:11.593 --> 00:38.988\n好主委本席針對你的簡報第10頁AI十大建設今天你要講清楚說明白你怎麼落地我從諾貝爾經濟學獎看創新驅動的發展也要求國發會明確佈局AI十大建設在高雄好在這邊我們諾貝爾獎的啟示經濟成長要靠的是研發創新而不只是靠的是政府的支出\n\n00:39.548 --> 00:47.775\n那今天已經宣布了AI十大建設希望透過研發矽光紙與算力建設帶動台灣在2040前創造15兆的產值這是您第十頁的簡報50萬個新就業機會隔回在9月的時候也宣布將無人載具納入了\n\n01:00.265 --> 01:15.317\n好那這樣的一個諾貝爾獎啟示也經濟成長要靠研發創新我請國發會現在開始要評估兩件事情第一個矽光石的技術開發應該鼓勵業者在高雄\n\n01:16.077 --> 01:36.860\n設立研發據點第二個工部門投入的預算力規劃成長有25倍應以工建計畫在高雄設立算力中心矽光子研發據點算力中心中的兩個10大AI10大建設中的這兩項就應該在高雄\n\n01:37.501 --> 01:55.757\n那AI時代建設如何落地呢既然有這個諾貝爾獎的一個啟示再看我們的前主委劉靜清他也講了台灣的半導體產業的失宏大概是2032年就會結束最多再延10年最多再延2年2035年\n\n01:56.958 --> 02:11.355\n好台灣下一個十年的核心產業是什麼AI新十大建設如何落地簡單這三個字關鍵技術在Coop西光子技術重大建設在篆力中心\n\n02:11.875 --> 02:28.222\n落腳就是在高雄好在矽光石技術在高雄的必要性兩點第一個半導體設備的國產化當然有利於晶圓製造業強化供應鏈的韌性那第二個矽光石是以光訊息代替\n\n02:29.083 --> 02:46.163\n電訊息以光收發模組來代替金屬導線他當然有這三大特性比這個電子的還高還好是以光矽光子來取代可以有高傳輸低耗能微型化來解決未來這個\n\n02:48.765 --> 03:11.864\n資訊中心跟數據傳輸瓶頸的關鍵技術既然它可以比我們的電子更好的情況之下投入當然是必要的了好台積電在最新的晶片設計已經發表了COOP西光子的引擎結合晶片封裝與光學傳輸也預計他們要covers的一起的量產\n\n03:12.765 --> 03:35.233\n好高雄市有台積電高雄市有日月光是國內二奈米跟先進封裝的重鎮所以你的矽光子的供應鏈當然就要就近資源晶圓製造的地點輔導國內所有相關法人模組的廠商檢測業者落地進駐兩個地方南子園區跟橋頭園區\n\n03:39.654 --> 04:00.108\n好AI十大建設中的算力中心本期再講一次了高雄還是最適合的為什麼呢原因有三第一個高雄百工百業對算力的需求最大第二個高雄的人員自主力最高第三個高雄有發展的決心中央投資成本是最低的\n\n04:00.828 --> 04:16.397\n好我們說到AI十大建設的算力中心在高雄其中最適合的第一個原因百工百業對算力的需求最大傳統產業與中小企業是高雄的經濟基礎包括農業等\n\n04:18.158 --> 04:45.635\n那所以呢高雄的相關金屬加工製造業我們的總產值是2330億其中螺絲螺帽等扣借業的蘇美的產值是達到了四分之一多523億相關產業最需要的AI協助轉型提升產品的良率跟降低排碳所以如果你要AI的運用旗艦城市非高雄莫屬\n\n04:46.716 --> 04:52.345\n那高雄的人員自給率最高過去發展中工業高雄的電力自給率是152.9%超過台北的1.4%超過台中的86%而且目前也積極推動屋頂光電\n\n05:02.020 --> 05:29.055\n所以這整個光電的總備案容量已經突破了1GW超過雙倍全國最不可能缺電的城市最適合設置算率中心的就是在高雄那第三個高雄有發展的決心中央投資成本最高高雄在今年已經攜手了輝達鴻海各電信業者打造全國第一個城市級的主權AI\n\n05:30.436 --> 05:47.686\n在高雄雅灣這個以鴻海以輝達的超級晶片的這個GB200的伺服器為核心來建置算力中心這是民間喔他們民間也預計2026年明年完工喔那中央你做了什麼事\n\n05:48.106 --> 06:12.777\n你只有擴大投資建設公部門的算力中心鼓勵企業運用算力才能促成百工百業的轉型主委要看清楚民間已經走在前面了你有AI十大建設其中的算力中心你要公部門投入現在你要落腳在哪裡不二選擇就是在高雄\n\n06:13.317 --> 06:40.415\n好AI新十大建設要具體落地高雄高雄高雄無人載具跟AI都需要百工百業的垂直運用而無人載具用的控制跟操作都是仰賴人工智慧所以在高雄形成人工智慧矽光子無人機的產業鏈與產業聚落才是對國家最好的政策護國產業在高雄\n\n06:41.860 --> 07:00.022\n我這句話再講清楚高雄市形成人工智慧矽光子無人機這三大產業鏈跟產業聚落是才是對國家最好的策略護國產業在高雄\n\n07:00.942 --> 07:20.181\n從無人載具與軍工產業推動產業的AI化這個我就稍微提一下在10月3號對卓院長的質詢要求在高雄設立國際AI無人載具產業中心再次的在10月13號對鞏部長的質詢提出了無人機可以屏占轉換\n\n07:21.882 --> 07:46.298\n的一個這樣的論點以及我們的無人船已經應用在AI國內的台船中信中科院榮德其實都已經在做無人船的研發高雄的旗津跟興達港是打造研發跟測試的基地這些都需要AI也就是你的算力中心這個工建工部門投資的工建\n\n07:46.838 --> 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