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00:01:47,499\n沒有所以我們創因為我們看到這個事情這個面向民眾的不安所以我們預計要來研議將水面型的光電納入這個環評就陳劉你說的全世界還沒有所以本席要請教因為民眾的安心非常重要跟地方政府來溝通也是非常的重要所以本席要請教預計什麼時候你們可以完成\n\n5\n00:01:48,061 --> 00:02:02,913\n我們希望年底之前因為我們現在10月31號以前我們因為其實這次我們的這個執法的修正不是只有水面型的光電還包含其他的項目所以我們現在在匯集意見當中我們希望一次的由本部的這個執法我們會來進行公聽\n\n6\n00:02:05,755 --> 00:02:23,800\n真的本席的提問也就是水面型的這個光電必須要納入環評你剛剛回答是說預計年底12月底以前能夠給社會大眾一個面向一個方向因為推動綠能落實在精靈碳排的部分是大家的共識\n\n7\n00:02:24,580 --> 00:02:43,585\n但是社會的共識跟民眾對於光電板的一個疑慮政府更應該要有負責任的而且不應該來忽視所以我們預計是在12月底能夠提出希望我們會努力接下來本學要請教7月上旬的當然是颱風重創了南台灣\n\n8\n00:02:45,666 --> 00:03:14,485\n它高達的17級的陣風尤其讓位於滋洪池的水面的光電板受寵非常的嚴重那儘管這個是佔台灣所有整體性受損的光電板總體量是1%但是在水面被吹得一團亂的這些光電板還是讓人民觸目驚心還是非常的觸目驚心那受寵光電板超過了10萬片\n\n9\n00:03:15,946 --> 00:03:40,791\n超過了2000公噸這個數字幾乎相當於過去五年全台廢棄物的總和五年全台廢棄物的一個總和所以本期要請教院長也已經指示要將廢棄物清理法來做修正也就是說將光電板納入應回收的這個廢棄物的\n\n10\n00:03:44,952 --> 00:04:07,658\n範圍內容那請教目前的進度是如何呢報告委員我們現在在修法的當中本部的修法的內容已經把這樣的概念已經融入進來的那整個廢清法的修正現在在院裡面在審核當中行政院那邊審核當中我們希望盡早可以送到大院能夠讓委員來院裡面審查當中那你們的KPI預計什麼時候會送進來呢\n\n11\n00:04:09,158 --> 00:04:25,884\n我們也希望能夠快一點因為院長也已經指示了你所謂的能夠快大概是什麼時候呢我們希望這個會期就可以送到大院來這個會期送來因為本席要告訴你的是說經過了一段時間之後它毀損的光電板所留下來還有細小的\n\n12\n00:04:27,320 --> 00:04:44,705\n矽晶片的一個碎片甚至還有玻璃的顆粒甚至還有塑膠浮桶的碎片還有電線散落在岸邊甚至我們看到有部分是他吹來吹去深埋在土裡頭\n\n13\n00:04:46,552 --> 00:05:02,971\n這些的問題都必須要去解決所以我們看到根據目前你環境部你的資料裡頭是說目前我們台灣可以有核准可以處理這些光電板的業者大概是只有4家\n\n14\n00:05:03,872 --> 00:05:30,044\n所以包含了你希望盡快在這個會期送進來第二個議題也就是說目前你核准的這些處理只有試一下那符合這些容量嗎請說說現在是可以的那我們也鼓勵因為但是有一個問題就是說這次發生的這個光電板損毀是在南部那我們的幾家大的全部都在北部特別是桃園跟苗栗所以距離有點遠費用就相對的運送比較高\n\n15\n00:05:30,525 --> 00:05:34,682\n所以我們現在也鼓勵南部也應該有一些回收的業者來做這個事情\n\n16\n00:05:35,245 --> 00:06:02,876\n所以也就是我們修法然後我們要將它納入那同時也要到底我們能不能做得到這一個容量都必須要整體性去考量接下來最後一個議題我想要邀請這個經濟部因為風災之後我們的光電暗場滿目倉儀也讓民眾十分的憂心對環境的一個影響因此卓院長也特別指示經濟部你要組成跨部會的總體\n\n17\n00:06:04,838 --> 00:06:06,682\n體檢小組有沒有這回事\n\n18\n00:06:08,296 --> 00:06:25,205\n謝謝委員你們成立了嗎當大師颱風之後我們這些體檢針對31個案場包括我們這個外界矚目的水面型的部分我們都有去檢查了那我們也指定他一定的時間來完成改善什麼時候完成因為要進行整體性的場館管理還有抗災的韌性災害應變機制以及災後清除復原的這些整體性的檢討特別是在強化整個光電案\n\n19\n00:06:37,671 --> 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院裡面審查當中那你們的KPI預計什麼時候會送進來呢\n249158\t265884\t我們也希望能夠快一點因為院長也已經指示了你所謂的能夠快大概是什麼時候呢我們希望這個會期就可以送到大院來這個會期送來因為本席要告訴你的是說經過了一段時間之後它毀損的光電板所留下來還有細小的\n267320\t284705\t矽晶片的一個碎片甚至還有玻璃的顆粒甚至還有塑膠浮桶的碎片還有電線散落在岸邊甚至我們看到有部分是他吹來吹去深埋在土裡頭\n286552\t302971\t這些的問題都必須要去解決所以我們看到根據目前你環境部你的資料裡頭是說目前我們台灣可以有核准可以處理這些光電板的業者大概是只有4家\n303872\t330044\t所以包含了你希望盡快在這個會期送進來第二個議題也就是說目前你核准的這些處理只有試一下那符合這些容量嗎請說說現在是可以的那我們也鼓勵因為但是有一個問題就是說這次發生的這個光電板損毀是在南部那我們的幾家大的全部都在北部特別是桃園跟苗栗所以距離有點遠費用就相對的運送比較高\n330525\t334682\t所以我們現在也鼓勵南部也應該有一些回收的業者來做這個事情\n335245\t362876\t所以也就是我們修法然後我們要將它納入那同時也要到底我們能不能做得到這一個容量都必須要整體性去考量接下來最後一個議題我想要邀請這個經濟部因為風災之後我們的光電暗場滿目倉儀也讓民眾十分的憂心對環境的一個影響因此卓院長也特別指示經濟部你要組成跨部會的總體\n364838\t366682\t體檢小組有沒有這回事\n368296\t385205\t謝謝委員 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其實因為全世界的這個水面型的光電就我們現在收集到的資料是沒有一個國家有水面型的光電有環頻\n沒有 所以我們創 因為我們看到這個事情這個面向 民眾的不安所以我們預計要來研議 將水面型的光電納入這個環評就陳劉你說的 全世界還沒有所以本席要請教 因為民眾的安心非常重要跟地方政府來溝通也是非常的重要所以本席要請教 預計什麼時候你們可以完成\n我們希望年底之前因為我們現在10月31號以前我們因為其實這次我們的這個執法的修正不是只有水面型的光電還包含其他的項目所以我們現在在匯集意見當中我們希望一次的由本部的這個執法我們會來進行公聽\n真的本席的提問也就是水面型的這個光電必須要納入環評你剛剛回答是說預計年底12月底以前能夠給社會大眾一個面向一個方向因為推動綠能落實在精靈碳排的部分是大家的共識\n但是社會的共識跟民眾對於光電板的一個疑慮政府更應該要有負責任的而且不應該來忽視所以我們預計是在12月底能夠提出希望 我們會努力接下來本學要請教7月上旬的當然是颱風重創了南台灣\n它高達的17級的陣風尤其讓位於滋洪池的水面的光電板受寵非常的嚴重那儘管這個是佔台灣所有整體性受損的光電板總體量是1%但是在水面被吹得一團亂的這些光電板還是讓人民觸目驚心還是非常的觸目驚心那受寵光電板超過了10萬片\n超過了2000公噸這個數字幾乎相當於過去五年全台廢棄物的總和五年全台廢棄物的一個總和所以本期要請教院長也已經指示要將廢棄物清理法來做修正也就是說將光電板納入應回收的這個廢棄物的\n範圍 內容 那請教目前的進度是如何呢報告委員 我們現在在修法的當中本部的修法的內容已經把這樣的概念已經融入進來的那整個廢清法的修正現在在院裡面在審核當中行政院那邊審核當中我們希望盡早可以送到大院能夠讓委員來 院裡面審查當中那你們的KPI預計什麼時候會送進來呢\n我們也希望能夠快一點因為院長也已經指示了你所謂的能夠快大概是什麼時候呢我們希望這個會期就可以送到大院來這個會期送來因為本席要告訴你的是說經過了一段時間之後它毀損的光電板所留下來還有細小的\n矽晶片的一個碎片甚至還有玻璃的顆粒甚至還有塑膠浮桶的碎片還有電線散落在岸邊甚至我們看到有部分是他吹來吹去深埋在土裡頭\n這些的問題都必須要去解決所以我們看到根據目前你環境部你的資料裡頭是說目前我們台灣可以有核准可以處理這些光電板的業者大概是只有4家\n所以包含了你希望盡快在這個會期送進來第二個議題也就是說目前你核准的這些處理只有試一下那符合這些容量嗎請說說現在是可以的那我們也鼓勵因為但是有一個問題就是說這次發生的這個光電板損毀是在南部那我們的幾家大的全部都在北部特別是桃園跟苗栗所以距離有點遠費用就相對的運送比較高\n所以我們現在也鼓勵南部也應該有一些回收的業者來做這個事情\n所以也就是我們修法然後我們要將它納入那同時也要到底我們能不能做得到這一個容量都必須要整體性去考量接下來最後一個議題我想要邀請這個經濟部因為風災之後我們的光電暗場滿目倉儀也讓民眾十分的憂心對環境的一個影響因此卓院長也特別指示經濟部你要組成跨部會的總體\n體檢小組有沒有這回事\n謝謝委員 你們成立了嗎當大師颱風之後我們這些體檢針對31個案場包括我們這個外界矚目的水面型的部分我們都有去檢查了那我們也指定他一定的時間來完成改善什麼時候完成因為要進行整體性的場館管理還有抗災的韌性災害應變機制以及災後清除復原的這些整體性的檢討特別是在強化整個光電案\n暗藏裡面的防災韌性所以你針對目前所體檢你預計什麼時候可以完成這些體檢\n這個問題分為兩個部分針對抗防災的這個韌性的部分我們已經頒布了相關的規定要求所有的開發廠商必須要提出災害防救計畫併入在災害防救計畫裡面這個就是以前我們核准的時候我們並沒有提出所以現在碰到了這些實例我們提出那本席要請教也就是說目前你的進度來\n這個所謂的規定已經公告了這第一個 第二個的話 針對於體檢的缺失還有一些很少數的部分還沒有完成改善我們會持續的來追蹤你持續的來追蹤 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