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00:01:45,720\n所以我就回去找了當時我們在研議要來新增身心調試假這個價別的時候教育部也曾經邀集了我們縣市地方政府的教育局來討論嘛對不對當時有調查我們縣市地方教育局大家的意見就是有關於我們是七天試假另外加三天的身心調試假還是說三天的身心調試假併入既有的七天試假來計算\n\n6\n00:01:47,521 --> 00:02:03,981\n當時呢在我們22個縣市當中有9個縣市地方政府的教育局都是同意升薪調試假的3天是另外新增的也就是7加37天試假加3天升薪調試假總共是10天\n\n7\n00:02:06,256 --> 00:02:18,953\n當時是有七個縣市的地方交局都同意喔也認為是可行的但是我們最後上路的時候卻是三天升薪條市價併入七天市價計算來請問一下市長這個是什麼原因啊\n\n8\n00:02:20,215 --> 00:02:45,381\n跟委員報告這個案子因為我們在跟相關部會跟各式教育局談的時候大概有兩個議題一個就是要不要獨立給假的問題那這個部分因為考量到說各個不同職系因為有教師有工人有軍人甚至還有一些勞工所以後來才決定說我們還是以\n\n9\n00:02:46,841 --> 00:03:02,193\n納入試駕企業裡面去計算但是我們會另外提供課貸的一個補助全部由政府來支援不用讓老師來負擔那這部分相較於目前的課貸的規定是一個進步的或是有前進\n\n10\n00:03:03,113 --> 00:03:29,319\n是因為當初是有提到說希望教師跟公務人員是一致的所以說是之前是人事總署跟全序部認為公務人員應該要三天的申請條市價要併入七天市價計算嗎能不能請全序部跟人總來給我一個回覆是的我們就是那個參照家庭照顧價的那個處理方式併入那個市價來做處理好\n\n11\n00:03:33,644 --> 00:03:50,518\n剛剛其實主持人已經提過了因為各種職域都這個聲音調整是大家都需要的所以我們從軍公教開始做示範所以也不希望距離拉得太大各職域距離比較大所以全序部跟人總我們是主管公務人員嘛\n\n12\n00:03:51,536 --> 00:04:09,967\n那教育部這邊是主管教師因為現在基層很多教師還有地方政府都在反映說這三天的身心調適假在我們第一線教學現場對老師來說確實是有所需要的而大家當初期待的三天身心調適假就是新增的價別\n\n13\n00:04:10,467 --> 00:04:25,928\n你在食物上你把它併入既有的七天釋迦你看像今天台中市就傳出來啦老師說十月十號上路要來請聖經體老師下來結果學校跟他說什麼你先把七天的釋迦用完再來請你看食物上就很容易會遇到這樣的問題\n\n14\n00:04:28,586 --> 00:04:50,126\n這個如果說啦因為教育部現在應該要持續的跟我們地方的教育局還有基層的教師團體持續的來討論上路之後有沒有需要調整是不是可以來研議這三天申請調適假另外計算如果說教育人員教育部這裡有這樣子的討論這個我們程序部跟人總會反對嗎\n\n15\n00:04:53,928 --> 00:05:22,633\n就像剛剛跟委員報告因為我們要考慮到其他職域的問題因為譬如說像目前勞工他是沒有這樣的假那如果我們在外假這三天進去的話那這個可能要在省政考量這個齁我們公教的人員的這些福利在社會上都是叫做帶頭示範作用像我們嘉興過去嘉興也是我們公教先行是為了要帶動民間公司行號讓勞工的權益也可以往前進\n\n16\n00:05:23,553 --> 00:05:44,615\n不是去製造衝突這才叫做改革啊如果說我們都不敢做不敢往前跨一步那社會怎麼會跟我們一起前進呢既然我們要新增身心調適價這個價別就是因為在當代現代社會確實有所需要包括我們衛福部也都在推動青少年的身心健康把他去汙名化\n\n17\n00:05:45,976 --> 00:06:12,086\n這個在我們公教人員的福利上面去先行示範這是一個很重要的社會帶領的作用不是在製造衝突所以呢我希望教育部持續的跟教師團體來溝通討論那倘若教育主管機關嘛如果說你們就拍板定案我們教師身心調試假三天就另外計算不必入期天試假我希望人總跟學術部不要來反對\n\n18\n00:06:13,789 --> 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