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00:02:08,221\n署長您好是委員好是來我先請教一下因為上個月裡面有提到這個太陽光電的這個案場設置是依法需要由專業的技師來簽證把關那另外這個本次的風災裡面能源署也會同電液審查的委員針對全國水面型的這個光電案場一共有31案來完成電液的檢驗\n\n7\n00:02:09,301 --> 00:02:37,307\n所以也希望能夠在兩個月裡面就要完成改善那同時要加強宣導業者能夠落實平時的巡檢想要請教第一個就是那這31個案場目前改善的情形如何具體的改善做了哪一些事情還有將來地面型的光電的這個場也是不是也要納入檢查如何能夠宣導業者能夠在平時落實這個他的巡檢是可以跟大家報告\n\n8\n00:02:38,147 --> 00:02:51,165\n兩個部分一個部分就是剛才講這些水面型的我們有三十一個案場我們去把它再做一次全面的體檢那麼其中有二十二個案場大概是比較簡單受損比較輕微的\n\n9\n00:02:53,388 --> 00:03:20,916\n那有九個案場是受損比較嚴重的那麼有五個那我們是希望他能夠提出改善計畫來在兩個月的時間也就是剛才講的他要提出他的改善計畫然後去做完改善那我們這個在年底前我們會再去複查他有沒有辦法完成改善那另外有四個案場是受損比較嚴重的就是我們看到比較多的那個滯洪池裡面再加一那\n\n10\n00:03:21,556 --> 00:03:43,237\n那受損比較嚴重那我們通常就是說請他提出改善計畫那有的有的案場我們了解就是說他可能就不改善他清走就清走他就損失了就是原來比如說原來他可能設置是3M但是有1M受到損害了他可能未來那個就清運走了我們是注重他會清運乾淨他可能就不再\n\n11\n00:03:44,418 --> 00:04:09,153\n增加修復它了那這個我們在年底之前會做完一個報告那第二部分就是剛才我們第二個槌尋的就是說其餘有關地面型的不只是水面型的就是地面型的這些太陽光電我們有什麼加強的措施那我們剛才也次長也報告我們現在是要求它依照災防法要去提出災害防救計畫\n\n12\n00:04:10,154 --> 00:04:25,725\n災害防救計畫除了事先災害來之前的準備作業也包括後面事後的廢棄物的清理那我們這個辦法已經公告了那我們會要求這些大型的業者他要提出依災方法提出災防的計畫\n\n13\n00:04:26,926 --> 00:04:50,723\n所以聽起來都有依照這個規定要求在執行中我們也期待能夠很快把這些該做的事情做好不過針對於這個業者落實平時的巡檢這邊是要做宣導比較奇怪這個是一個責任為什麼還要宣導本來應該做的事情有沒有更強的這個措施來把這個事情可以更完整的落實\n\n14\n00:04:51,423 --> 00:05:13,239\n是我們宣導就是說要叫他要落實那另外我們也會去做抽查的查核那他平常做的查核他要留下查核的記錄那我們去做抽查的時候因為我們這個案件非常多全國的太陽光店大概有九萬多件那我們去做抽查的時候他要有資料讓我們可以查\n\n15\n00:05:13,639 --> 00:05:37,758\n他自己巡檢要做記錄大概我們現在是希望他能夠加強這一方面至少他準備的工作應該做好是那了解了好那就謝謝署長請回座謝謝那我們知道這次風災不僅造成了嚴重的損害也凸顯了這個回收量能的問題針對現行的回收機制本席有幾個疑問想要請教彭部長部長請委員好\n\n16\n00:05:43,100 --> 00:06:04,493\n部長有報告知道你所說的這個全世界的光電板的容量今年年底將到達2800個Gigawatts那台灣其實現在只有到15個Gigawatts佔比只有0.5%其中33個光電廠的部分在12.1萬片的光電廠已經在這次丹拉斯颱風裡面受損\n\n17\n00:06:05,473 --> 00:06:25,951\n另外有9.1萬片已經完成資源化的處理1.8萬片經過修剪以後是何可以再利用現在也發現有1.2萬片暫置在合法場地這邊有幾個疑問請教一下部長所謂暫置是要放多久有沒有明確的處理的期程\n\n18\n00:06:26,531 --> 00:06:48,333\n這三個月呢還是半年還是一年那另外環境部能不能或是會成立災後光電廢棄物的管理機制納入未來如果光電案審查與營運管理規範裡面避免每一次都要先放著以後再說或者是說有沒有一個制度的管理避免讓這個站置將來就變成了棄置\n\n19\n00:06:50,895 --> 00:07:15,214\n環境部不能夠只告訴我們數字也希望能夠把這個管理的流程跟處理的責任可以一併來完成好謝謝委員因為我所知道這1.2萬片它是算是一般的廢棄物那它是暫置在那個地方那按照現在的法規它大概可以最多可以只能放一年那當然因為它的處理廠的量能還有他們之間的合約可能沒有談得很好所以會\n\n20\n00:07:15,774 --> 00:07:36,466\n拖得比較久我們會盡量能夠督促他們盡快把他這個處理回收完成那委員提到的這個災後風電的廢棄物管理就是這個概念非常好因為其實全世界沒有遇過這種所謂的十幾萬片毀壞的台灣是第一個所以我們現在其實很多的國家也來主動跟我垂行我們怎麼去面對的這機制到底如何\n\n21\n00:07:36,906 --> 00:07:55,099\n所以但是我覺得我們未來也可以自己再檢討一下所以委員提出這樣的一個方式很好我們會組成一個小組由我們循環署來訂那因為包含了我們的這個資源循環促進法其實也會把這個東西放進來所以未來我相信我們可以走到一個正向的道路去進行\n\n22\n00:07:55,498 --> 00:08:22,537\n好我們用前瞻性的方式來應對這些問題不知道您也說太陽板廢棄物將歸類為四葉廢棄物的管理並納入應回收的廢棄物這個部分本席非常的支持可是還是有一些問題需要克服在修法還沒有確定之前是否能夠提出全國各縣市環保局一致性的執法指引因為我想不只是南部應該各縣市\n\n23\n00:08:23,718 --> 00:08:43,144\n慢慢都會碰到類似的問題還有這裡面有提到這個將來要把這個相關的費率要做合理的調整那什麼叫合理的調整未來的規劃有沒有一個方向出來也報告委員其實因為他的這個現在的供需價量有一點因為過去的量不夠所以\n\n24\n00:08:43,664 --> 00:09:09,123\n做的成本就比較高那未來量如果逐步可以起來相對的供需之間這個價格就有機會會下降那這個當然這個是需要財務模型跟推算的那這個目前呢是要由我們未來可能都是我們循環署來推動未來我們是現在目前為止是我們循環署跟能源署一起來合作所以這個部分呢我們近期就會來討論這樣的如何去計算推估未來的需求那怎麼樣做得更好\n\n25\n00:09:09,864 --> 00:09:23,175\n好謝謝謝謝部長下來還有一個問題最後要請教就是有關於老舊的這些漁船太儲回收處理上面的困難在這個請教部長之前我也要先請教一下有關於農業部對這個議題有關於老舊漁船的問題會請農業部方次長\n\n26\n00:09:33,300 --> 00:09:54,095\n次長好我知道您是漁業方面的專家剛好今天有機會在這邊麻煩次長對於漁業方面的問題尤其是捕撈的這個漁船的生態應該很清楚尤其是這個老舊漁船的收購是一個很艱難的議題因為有很多的面向我們要同時的去考慮\n\n27\n00:09:54,915 --> 00:10:16,349\n那我們也知道台灣其實是一個海洋國家不管是遠洋的或者是近海的這個捕撈都是非常重要的對於漁民的生計對國家來講都是重要的問題那當然這個船用久了就會有淘汰的問題可能我們面對將來會有一萬艘的這個船需要做淘汰\n\n28\n00:10:16,869 --> 00:10:42,987\n那這個淘汰的過程裡面當然我們希望能夠減少過度的捕撈永續發展淘汰不符合標準船隻等等要提升我們的競爭力還有解決這個漁會船老問題跟輔導這個漁民作業等等目前比較困難的地方就是說有關於這個漁業船使用玻璃纖維材質的這個報廢困難而且回收的費用其實是高的\n\n29\n00:10:44,548 --> 00:11:11,222\n相關的這個船舶如果沒有好好的回收其實對地方尤其是漁館是造成一些處理上的影響那這個都是大家尤其是有漁港的這個縣市共同的痛所以想要請教次長就是說我們要完成規劃政策的這個前提要很完整的這個資料統計那目前漁業署這邊有沒有相關的資料可以讓我們多了解\n\n30\n00:11:12,234 --> 00:11:25,271\n跟委員報告那我們目前有在採取的這個收購老舊漁船這樣的一個計畫那去年114年就公告了之後呢總共有將近217艘的漁船前來參與這樣的一個計畫\n\n31\n00:11:28,635 --> 00:11:45,210\n那但是受限於經費的這個有限所以我們依照我們的經費的能量然後依序的排定這樣的優先順序以這個對於生態破壞比較大的微網漁船作為第一個優先的這個收購的順序然後依次的排列那剛剛委員所垂詢有關於就是\n\n32\n00:11:45,710 --> 00:11:48,012\n比較難處理的FRP的這樣的漁船的船體的這個問題那事實上我們在以前的減船的時候也曾經做過的就是把這個漁船內部的這個油倉各項清理完畢之後做為這個漁礁這樣的一個做法\n\n33\n00:12:00,384 --> 00:12:25,425\n目前我們也跟這個環境部這邊有在洽談就是目前有一個有一個新的比較新的技術就是利用水泥窯的這樣的一個回收的這樣的一個機制那因為FRP裡面它的這個不可燃物包括氧化鎂氧化鋁這些的部分可以作為使用那另外可燃物的樹脂的這個部分剛好可以作為一個結合所以我們目前正在洽談這方面的這樣的可行性\n\n34\n00:12:25,805 --> 00:12:52,595\n好謝謝市長那是不是能夠針對於如果有完整的統計資料也可以送到本席這邊來做後續的處理是謝謝市長請市長請回那最後還是要請教部長就是說老舊漁船的問題是跟光電板的處理其實有點類似有點類似有點類似因為我們知道這個回收機制的建立回收量能跟技術的確保回收預算補助機制等等都是相關我們需要去處理的地方\n\n35\n00:12:53,475 --> 00:13:05,924\n到底漁船的廢棄物是事業廢棄物還是一般廢棄物目前我們的處理量能是如何將來有沒有相關可以回收的技術就剛剛次長所提到的問題\n\n36\n00:13:06,741 --> 00:13:30,006\n那這些部長這邊有沒有開始了解或者是開始去關注到這個意思報告委員目前我們有一個科專計畫就是協助農業部在處理這個問題那現在的在試驗當中例如說剛剛講到把它進到水泥窯之後去做處理那個量能有多少我覺得委員你說的沒錯這個就跟光電板一樣需要來規劃因為那個量慢慢就會起來\n\n37\n00:13:30,586 --> 00:13:42,490\n是所以如果相關營業的成果可不可以也讓我們可以確實掌握可以可以好謝謝委員謝謝沙偉謝謝也請將到時候那個相關的報告可以提供委員會的委員們\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n7059\t23445\t好 謝謝主席我想主席 各位同仁我國推動這個太陽能光電是邁向2050近零轉型一個重要的基礎的措施所以我完全支持再生能源發展的方向\n24085\t50517\t那在這次的風災裡面我們也看到部分的這個光電暗場仍然存在著很多的設置的風險還有環境管理的不足還有廢板這些處理延遲等等的問題所以我想今天在這個執行過程裡面不是在反對光電我是希望能夠協助政府來完善制度強化民眾對於綠能的信任我想\n51437\t64608\t基本上重點是這樣子可是面對這次的風災所造成太陽光電板的受損還有這些板材外溢的甚至危及到民眾的生命財產安全所以我們認為除了研議如何精進這個環評的這個制度之外\n66730\t90102\t更迫切的課題是要針對能源署對於現有以及審查中的光電暗場是否已經建立完善而且可執行的防災管理機制所以本席希望把焦點放在光電設施的防治治理責任跟制度的缺口我相信這不僅是產業署要管理的議題更攸關公共安全跟國土韌性\n90942\t95164\t所以要先請教能源署李署長來這邊討論有關於相關的問題請署長\n101610\t128221\t署長您好是委員好是來我先請教一下因為上個月裡面有提到這個太陽光電的這個案場設置是依法需要由專業的技師來簽證把關那另外這個本次的風災裡面能源署也會同電液審查的委員針對全國水面型的這個光電案場一共有31案來完成電液的檢驗\n129301\t157307\t所以也希望能夠在兩個月裡面就要完成改善那同時要加強宣導業者能夠落實平時的巡檢想要請教第一個就是那這31個案場目前改善的情形如何具體的改善做了哪一些事情還有將來地面型的光電的這個場也是不是也要納入檢查如何能夠宣導業者能夠在平時落實這個他的巡檢是 可以跟大家報告\n158147\t171165\t兩個部分一個部分就是剛才講這些水面型的我們有三十一個案場我們去把它再做一次全面的體檢那麼其中有二十二個案場大概是比較簡單 受損比較輕微的\n173388\t200916\t那有九個案場是受損比較嚴重的那麼有五個那我們是希望他能夠提出改善計畫來在兩個月的時間也就是剛才講的他要提出他的改善計畫然後去做完改善那我們這個在年底前我們會再去複查他有沒有辦法完成改善那另外有四個案場是受損比較嚴重的就是我們看到比較多的那個滯洪池裡面再加一那\n201556\t223237\t那受損比較嚴重那我們通常就是說請他提出改善計畫那有的有的案場我們了解就是說他可能就不改善他清走就清走他就損失了就是原來比如說原來他可能設置是3M但是有1M受到損害了他可能未來那個就清運走了我們是注重他會清運乾淨他可能就不再\n224418\t249153\t增加修復它了那這個我們在年底之前會做完一個報告那第二部分就是剛才我們第二個槌尋的就是說其餘有關地面型的不只是水面型的就是地面型的這些太陽光電我們有什麼加強的措施那我們剛才也次長也報告我們現在是要求它依照災防法要去提出災害防救計畫\n250154\t265725\t災害防救計畫除了事先災害來之前的準備作業也包括後面事後的廢棄物的清理那我們這個辦法已經公告了那我們會要求這些大型的業者他要提出依災方法提出災防的計畫\n266926\t290723\t所以聽起來都有依照這個規定要求在執行中我們也期待能夠很快把這些該做的事情做好不過針對於這個業者落實平時的巡檢這邊是要做宣導比較奇怪這個是一個責任為什麼還要宣導本來應該做的事情有沒有更強的這個措施來把這個事情可以更完整的落實\n291423\t313239\t是我們宣導就是說要叫他要落實那另外我們也會去做抽查的查核那他平常做的查核他要留下查核的記錄那我們去做抽查的時候因為我們這個案件非常多全國的太陽光店大概有九萬多件那我們去做抽查的時候他要有資料讓我們可以查\n313639\t337758\t他自己巡檢要做記錄大概我們現在是希望他能夠加強這一方面至少他準備的工作應該做好是那了解了好那就謝謝署長請回座謝謝那我們知道這次風災不僅造成了嚴重的損害也凸顯了這個回收量能的問題針對現行的回收機制本席有幾個疑問想要請教彭部長部長請委員好\n343100\t364493\t部長 有報告知道你所說的這個全世界的光電板的容量今年年底將到達2800個Gigawatts那台灣其實現在只有到15個Gigawatts 佔比只有0.5%其中33個光電廠的部分在12.1萬片的光電廠已經在這次丹拉斯颱風裡面受損\n365473\t385951\t另外有9.1萬片已經完成資源化的處理1.8萬片經過修剪以後是何可以再利用現在也發現有1.2萬片暫置在合法場地這邊有幾個疑問請教一下部長所謂暫置是要放多久有沒有明確的處理的期程\n386531\t408333\t這三個月呢還是半年還是一年那另外環境部能不能或是會成立災後光電廢棄物的管理機制納入未來如果光電案審查與營運管理規範裡面避免每一次都要先放著以後再說或者是說有沒有一個制度的管理避免讓這個站置將來就變成了棄置\n410895\t435214\t環境部不能夠只告訴我們數字也希望能夠把這個管理的流程跟處理的責任可以一併來完成好 謝謝委員因為我所知道這1.2萬片它是算是一般的廢棄物那它是暫置在那個地方那按照現在的法規它大概可以最多可以只能放一年那當然因為它的處理廠的量能還有他們之間的合約可能沒有談得很好所以會\n435774\t456466\t拖得比較久我們會盡量能夠督促他們盡快把他這個處理回收完成那委員提到的這個災後風電的廢棄物管理就是這個概念非常好因為其實全世界沒有遇過這種所謂的十幾萬片毀壞的台灣是第一個所以我們現在其實很多的國家也來主動跟我垂行我們怎麼去面對的這機制到底如何\n456906\t475099\t所以但是我覺得我們未來也可以自己再檢討一下所以委員提出這樣的一個方式很好我們會組成一個小組由我們循環署來訂那因為包含了我們的這個資源循環促進法其實也會把這個東西放進來所以未來我相信我們可以走到一個正向的道路去進行\n475498\t502537\t好 我們用前瞻性的方式來應對這些問題不知道您也說太陽板廢棄物將歸類為四葉廢棄物的管理並納入應回收的廢棄物這個部分本席非常的支持可是還是有一些問題需要克服在修法還沒有確定之前是否能夠提出全國各縣市環保局一致性的執法指引因為我想不只是南部 應該各縣市\n503718\t523144\t慢慢都會碰到類似的問題還有這裡面有提到這個將來要把這個相關的費率要做合理的調整那什麼叫合理的調整未來的規劃有沒有一個方向出來也報告委員其實因為他的這個現在的供需價量有一點因為過去的量不夠所以\n523664\t549123\t做的成本就比較高那未來量如果逐步可以起來相對的供需之間這個價格就有機會會下降那這個當然這個是需要財務模型跟推算的那這個目前呢是要由我們未來可能都是我們循環署來推動未來我們是現在目前為止是我們循環署跟能源署一起來合作所以這個部分呢我們近期就會來討論這樣的如何去計算推估未來的需求那怎麼樣做得更好\n549864\t563175\t好 謝謝 謝謝部長下來還有一個問題最後要請教就是有關於老舊的這些漁船太儲回收處理上面的困難在這個請教部長之前我也要先請教一下有關於農業部對這個議題有關於老舊漁船的問題會請農業部方次長\n573300\t594095\t次長好我知道您是漁業方面的專家剛好今天有機會在這邊麻煩次長對於漁業方面的問題尤其是捕撈的這個漁船的生態應該很清楚尤其是這個老舊漁船的收購是一個很艱難的議題因為有很多的面向我們要同時的去考慮\n594915\t616349\t那我們也知道台灣其實是一個海洋國家不管是遠洋的或者是近海的這個捕撈都是非常重要的對於漁民的生計對國家來講都是重要的問題那當然這個船用久了就會有淘汰的問題可能我們面對將來會有一萬艘的這個船需要做淘汰\n616869\t642987\t那這個淘汰的過程裡面當然我們希望能夠減少過度的捕撈永續發展淘汰不符合標準船隻等等要提升我們的競爭力還有解決這個漁會船老問題跟輔導這個漁民作業等等目前比較困難的地方就是說有關於這個漁業船使用玻璃纖維材質的這個報廢困難而且回收的費用其實是高的\n644548\t671222\t相關的這個船舶如果沒有好好的回收其實對地方尤其是漁館是造成一些處理上的影響那這個都是大家尤其是有漁港的這個縣市共同的痛所以想要請教次長就是說我們要完成規劃政策的這個前提要很完整的這個資料統計那目前漁業署這邊有沒有相關的資料可以讓我們多了解\n672234\t685271\t跟委員報告那我們目前有在採取的這個收購老舊漁船這樣的一個計畫那去年114年就公告了之後呢總共有將近217艘的漁船前來參與這樣的一個計畫\n688635\t705210\t那但是受限於經費的這個有限所以我們依照我們的經費的能量然後依序的排定這樣的優先順序以這個對於生態破壞比較大的微網漁船作為第一個優先的這個收購的順序然後依次的排列那剛剛委員所垂詢有關於就是\n705710\t708012\t比較難處理的FRP的這樣的漁船的船體的這個問題那事實上我們在以前的減船的時候也曾經做過的就是把這個漁船內部的這個油倉各項清理完畢之後做為這個漁礁這樣的一個做法\n720384\t745425\t目前我們也跟這個環境部這邊有在洽談就是目前有一個有一個新的比較新的技術就是利用水泥窯的這樣的一個回收的這樣的一個機制那因為FRP裡面它的這個不可燃物包括氧化鎂氧化鋁這些的部分可以作為使用那另外可燃物的樹脂的這個部分剛好可以作為一個結合所以我們目前正在洽談這方面的這樣的可行性\n745805\t772595\t好謝謝市長那是不是能夠針對於如果有完整的統計資料也可以送到本席這邊來做後續的處理是謝謝市長請市長請回那最後還是要請教部長就是說老舊漁船的問題是跟光電板的處理其實有點類似有點類似有點類似因為我們知道這個回收機制的建立回收量能跟技術的確保回收預算補助機制等等都是相關我們需要去處理的地方\n773475\t785924\t到底漁船的廢棄物是事業廢棄物還是一般廢棄物目前我們的處理量能是如何將來有沒有相關可以回收的技術就剛剛次長所提到的問題\n786741\t810006\t那這些部長這邊有沒有開始了解或者是開始去關注到這個意思報告委員目前我們有一個科專計畫就是協助農業部在處理這個問題那現在的在試驗當中例如說剛剛講到把它進到水泥窯之後去做處理那個量能有多少我覺得委員你說的沒錯這個就跟光電板一樣需要來規劃因為那個量慢慢就會起來\n810586\t822490\t是 所以如果相關營業的成果 可不可以也讓我們可以確實掌握可以可以 好 謝謝委員 謝謝沙偉謝謝 也請將到時候那個相關的報告可以提供委員會的委員們\n","txt":"好 謝謝主席我想主席 各位同仁我國推動這個太陽能光電是邁向2050近零轉型一個重要的基礎的措施所以我完全支持再生能源發展的方向\n那在這次的風災裡面我們也看到部分的這個光電暗場仍然存在著很多的設置的風險還有環境管理的不足還有廢板這些處理延遲等等的問題所以我想今天在這個執行過程裡面不是在反對光電我是希望能夠協助政府來完善制度強化民眾對於綠能的信任我想\n基本上重點是這樣子可是面對這次的風災所造成太陽光電板的受損還有這些板材外溢的甚至危及到民眾的生命財產安全所以我們認為除了研議如何精進這個環評的這個制度之外\n更迫切的課題是要針對能源署對於現有以及審查中的光電暗場是否已經建立完善而且可執行的防災管理機制所以本席希望把焦點放在光電設施的防治治理責任跟制度的缺口我相信這不僅是產業署要管理的議題更攸關公共安全跟國土韌性\n所以要先請教能源署李署長來這邊討論有關於相關的問題請署長\n署長您好是委員好是來我先請教一下因為上個月裡面有提到這個太陽光電的這個案場設置是依法需要由專業的技師來簽證把關那另外這個本次的風災裡面能源署也會同電液審查的委員針對全國水面型的這個光電案場一共有31案來完成電液的檢驗\n所以也希望能夠在兩個月裡面就要完成改善那同時要加強宣導業者能夠落實平時的巡檢想要請教第一個就是那這31個案場目前改善的情形如何具體的改善做了哪一些事情還有將來地面型的光電的這個場也是不是也要納入檢查如何能夠宣導業者能夠在平時落實這個他的巡檢是 可以跟大家報告\n兩個部分一個部分就是剛才講這些水面型的我們有三十一個案場我們去把它再做一次全面的體檢那麼其中有二十二個案場大概是比較簡單 受損比較輕微的\n那有九個案場是受損比較嚴重的那麼有五個那我們是希望他能夠提出改善計畫來在兩個月的時間也就是剛才講的他要提出他的改善計畫然後去做完改善那我們這個在年底前我們會再去複查他有沒有辦法完成改善那另外有四個案場是受損比較嚴重的就是我們看到比較多的那個滯洪池裡面再加一那\n那受損比較嚴重那我們通常就是說請他提出改善計畫那有的有的案場我們了解就是說他可能就不改善他清走就清走他就損失了就是原來比如說原來他可能設置是3M但是有1M受到損害了他可能未來那個就清運走了我們是注重他會清運乾淨他可能就不再\n增加修復它了那這個我們在年底之前會做完一個報告那第二部分就是剛才我們第二個槌尋的就是說其餘有關地面型的不只是水面型的就是地面型的這些太陽光電我們有什麼加強的措施那我們剛才也次長也報告我們現在是要求它依照災防法要去提出災害防救計畫\n災害防救計畫除了事先災害來之前的準備作業也包括後面事後的廢棄物的清理那我們這個辦法已經公告了那我們會要求這些大型的業者他要提出依災方法提出災防的計畫\n所以聽起來都有依照這個規定要求在執行中我們也期待能夠很快把這些該做的事情做好不過針對於這個業者落實平時的巡檢這邊是要做宣導比較奇怪這個是一個責任為什麼還要宣導本來應該做的事情有沒有更強的這個措施來把這個事情可以更完整的落實\n是我們宣導就是說要叫他要落實那另外我們也會去做抽查的查核那他平常做的查核他要留下查核的記錄那我們去做抽查的時候因為我們這個案件非常多全國的太陽光店大概有九萬多件那我們去做抽查的時候他要有資料讓我們可以查\n他自己巡檢要做記錄大概我們現在是希望他能夠加強這一方面至少他準備的工作應該做好是那了解了好那就謝謝署長請回座謝謝那我們知道這次風災不僅造成了嚴重的損害也凸顯了這個回收量能的問題針對現行的回收機制本席有幾個疑問想要請教彭部長部長請委員好\n部長 有報告知道你所說的這個全世界的光電板的容量今年年底將到達2800個Gigawatts那台灣其實現在只有到15個Gigawatts 佔比只有0.5%其中33個光電廠的部分在12.1萬片的光電廠已經在這次丹拉斯颱風裡面受損\n另外有9.1萬片已經完成資源化的處理1.8萬片經過修剪以後是何可以再利用現在也發現有1.2萬片暫置在合法場地這邊有幾個疑問請教一下部長所謂暫置是要放多久有沒有明確的處理的期程\n這三個月呢還是半年還是一年那另外環境部能不能或是會成立災後光電廢棄物的管理機制納入未來如果光電案審查與營運管理規範裡面避免每一次都要先放著以後再說或者是說有沒有一個制度的管理避免讓這個站置將來就變成了棄置\n環境部不能夠只告訴我們數字也希望能夠把這個管理的流程跟處理的責任可以一併來完成好 謝謝委員因為我所知道這1.2萬片它是算是一般的廢棄物那它是暫置在那個地方那按照現在的法規它大概可以最多可以只能放一年那當然因為它的處理廠的量能還有他們之間的合約可能沒有談得很好所以會\n拖得比較久我們會盡量能夠督促他們盡快把他這個處理回收完成那委員提到的這個災後風電的廢棄物管理就是這個概念非常好因為其實全世界沒有遇過這種所謂的十幾萬片毀壞的台灣是第一個所以我們現在其實很多的國家也來主動跟我垂行我們怎麼去面對的這機制到底如何\n所以但是我覺得我們未來也可以自己再檢討一下所以委員提出這樣的一個方式很好我們會組成一個小組由我們循環署來訂那因為包含了我們的這個資源循環促進法其實也會把這個東西放進來所以未來我相信我們可以走到一個正向的道路去進行\n好 我們用前瞻性的方式來應對這些問題不知道您也說太陽板廢棄物將歸類為四葉廢棄物的管理並納入應回收的廢棄物這個部分本席非常的支持可是還是有一些問題需要克服在修法還沒有確定之前是否能夠提出全國各縣市環保局一致性的執法指引因為我想不只是南部 應該各縣市\n慢慢都會碰到類似的問題還有這裡面有提到這個將來要把這個相關的費率要做合理的調整那什麼叫合理的調整未來的規劃有沒有一個方向出來也報告委員其實因為他的這個現在的供需價量有一點因為過去的量不夠所以\n做的成本就比較高那未來量如果逐步可以起來相對的供需之間這個價格就有機會會下降那這個當然這個是需要財務模型跟推算的那這個目前呢是要由我們未來可能都是我們循環署來推動未來我們是現在目前為止是我們循環署跟能源署一起來合作所以這個部分呢我們近期就會來討論這樣的如何去計算推估未來的需求那怎麼樣做得更好\n好 謝謝 謝謝部長下來還有一個問題最後要請教就是有關於老舊的這些漁船太儲回收處理上面的困難在這個請教部長之前我也要先請教一下有關於農業部對這個議題有關於老舊漁船的問題會請農業部方次長\n次長好我知道您是漁業方面的專家剛好今天有機會在這邊麻煩次長對於漁業方面的問題尤其是捕撈的這個漁船的生態應該很清楚尤其是這個老舊漁船的收購是一個很艱難的議題因為有很多的面向我們要同時的去考慮\n那我們也知道台灣其實是一個海洋國家不管是遠洋的或者是近海的這個捕撈都是非常重要的對於漁民的生計對國家來講都是重要的問題那當然這個船用久了就會有淘汰的問題可能我們面對將來會有一萬艘的這個船需要做淘汰\n那這個淘汰的過程裡面當然我們希望能夠減少過度的捕撈永續發展淘汰不符合標準船隻等等要提升我們的競爭力還有解決這個漁會船老問題跟輔導這個漁民作業等等目前比較困難的地方就是說有關於這個漁業船使用玻璃纖維材質的這個報廢困難而且回收的費用其實是高的\n相關的這個船舶如果沒有好好的回收其實對地方尤其是漁館是造成一些處理上的影響那這個都是大家尤其是有漁港的這個縣市共同的痛所以想要請教次長就是說我們要完成規劃政策的這個前提要很完整的這個資料統計那目前漁業署這邊有沒有相關的資料可以讓我們多了解\n跟委員報告那我們目前有在採取的這個收購老舊漁船這樣的一個計畫那去年114年就公告了之後呢總共有將近217艘的漁船前來參與這樣的一個計畫\n那但是受限於經費的這個有限所以我們依照我們的經費的能量然後依序的排定這樣的優先順序以這個對於生態破壞比較大的微網漁船作為第一個優先的這個收購的順序然後依次的排列那剛剛委員所垂詢有關於就是\n比較難處理的FRP的這樣的漁船的船體的這個問題那事實上我們在以前的減船的時候也曾經做過的就是把這個漁船內部的這個油倉各項清理完畢之後做為這個漁礁這樣的一個做法\n目前我們也跟這個環境部這邊有在洽談就是目前有一個有一個新的比較新的技術就是利用水泥窯的這樣的一個回收的這樣的一個機制那因為FRP裡面它的這個不可燃物包括氧化鎂氧化鋁這些的部分可以作為使用那另外可燃物的樹脂的這個部分剛好可以作為一個結合所以我們目前正在洽談這方面的這樣的可行性\n好謝謝市長那是不是能夠針對於如果有完整的統計資料也可以送到本席這邊來做後續的處理是謝謝市長請市長請回那最後還是要請教部長就是說老舊漁船的問題是跟光電板的處理其實有點類似有點類似有點類似因為我們知道這個回收機制的建立回收量能跟技術的確保回收預算補助機制等等都是相關我們需要去處理的地方\n到底漁船的廢棄物是事業廢棄物還是一般廢棄物目前我們的處理量能是如何將來有沒有相關可以回收的技術就剛剛次長所提到的問題\n那這些部長這邊有沒有開始了解或者是開始去關注到這個意思報告委員目前我們有一個科專計畫就是協助農業部在處理這個問題那現在的在試驗當中例如說剛剛講到把它進到水泥窯之後去做處理那個量能有多少我覺得委員你說的沒錯這個就跟光電板一樣需要來規劃因為那個量慢慢就會起來\n是 所以如果相關營業的成果 可不可以也讓我們可以確實掌握可以可以 好 謝謝委員 謝謝沙偉謝謝 也請將到時候那個相關的報告可以提供委員會的委員們\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:07.059 --> 00:23.445\n好謝謝主席我想主席各位同仁我國推動這個太陽能光電是邁向2050近零轉型一個重要的基礎的措施所以我完全支持再生能源發展的方向\n\n00:24.085 --> 00:50.517\n那在這次的風災裡面我們也看到部分的這個光電暗場仍然存在著很多的設置的風險還有環境管理的不足還有廢板這些處理延遲等等的問題所以我想今天在這個執行過程裡面不是在反對光電我是希望能夠協助政府來完善制度強化民眾對於綠能的信任我想\n\n00:51.437 --> 01:04.608\n基本上重點是這樣子可是面對這次的風災所造成太陽光電板的受損還有這些板材外溢的甚至危及到民眾的生命財產安全所以我們認為除了研議如何精進這個環評的這個制度之外\n\n01:06.730 --> 01:30.102\n更迫切的課題是要針對能源署對於現有以及審查中的光電暗場是否已經建立完善而且可執行的防災管理機制所以本席希望把焦點放在光電設施的防治治理責任跟制度的缺口我相信這不僅是產業署要管理的議題更攸關公共安全跟國土韌性\n\n01:30.942 --> 01:35.164\n所以要先請教能源署李署長來這邊討論有關於相關的問題請署長\n\n01:41.610 --> 02:08.221\n署長您好是委員好是來我先請教一下因為上個月裡面有提到這個太陽光電的這個案場設置是依法需要由專業的技師來簽證把關那另外這個本次的風災裡面能源署也會同電液審查的委員針對全國水面型的這個光電案場一共有31案來完成電液的檢驗\n\n02:09.301 --> 02:37.307\n所以也希望能夠在兩個月裡面就要完成改善那同時要加強宣導業者能夠落實平時的巡檢想要請教第一個就是那這31個案場目前改善的情形如何具體的改善做了哪一些事情還有將來地面型的光電的這個場也是不是也要納入檢查如何能夠宣導業者能夠在平時落實這個他的巡檢是可以跟大家報告\n\n02:38.147 --> 02:51.165\n兩個部分一個部分就是剛才講這些水面型的我們有三十一個案場我們去把它再做一次全面的體檢那麼其中有二十二個案場大概是比較簡單受損比較輕微的\n\n02:53.388 --> 03:20.916\n那有九個案場是受損比較嚴重的那麼有五個那我們是希望他能夠提出改善計畫來在兩個月的時間也就是剛才講的他要提出他的改善計畫然後去做完改善那我們這個在年底前我們會再去複查他有沒有辦法完成改善那另外有四個案場是受損比較嚴重的就是我們看到比較多的那個滯洪池裡面再加一那\n\n03:21.556 --> 03:43.237\n那受損比較嚴重那我們通常就是說請他提出改善計畫那有的有的案場我們了解就是說他可能就不改善他清走就清走他就損失了就是原來比如說原來他可能設置是3M但是有1M受到損害了他可能未來那個就清運走了我們是注重他會清運乾淨他可能就不再\n\n03:44.418 --> 04:09.153\n增加修復它了那這個我們在年底之前會做完一個報告那第二部分就是剛才我們第二個槌尋的就是說其餘有關地面型的不只是水面型的就是地面型的這些太陽光電我們有什麼加強的措施那我們剛才也次長也報告我們現在是要求它依照災防法要去提出災害防救計畫\n\n04:10.154 --> 04:25.725\n災害防救計畫除了事先災害來之前的準備作業也包括後面事後的廢棄物的清理那我們這個辦法已經公告了那我們會要求這些大型的業者他要提出依災方法提出災防的計畫\n\n04:26.926 --> 04:50.723\n所以聽起來都有依照這個規定要求在執行中我們也期待能夠很快把這些該做的事情做好不過針對於這個業者落實平時的巡檢這邊是要做宣導比較奇怪這個是一個責任為什麼還要宣導本來應該做的事情有沒有更強的這個措施來把這個事情可以更完整的落實\n\n04:51.423 --> 05:13.239\n是我們宣導就是說要叫他要落實那另外我們也會去做抽查的查核那他平常做的查核他要留下查核的記錄那我們去做抽查的時候因為我們這個案件非常多全國的太陽光店大概有九萬多件那我們去做抽查的時候他要有資料讓我們可以查\n\n05:13.639 --> 05:37.758\n他自己巡檢要做記錄大概我們現在是希望他能夠加強這一方面至少他準備的工作應該做好是那了解了好那就謝謝署長請回座謝謝那我們知道這次風災不僅造成了嚴重的損害也凸顯了這個回收量能的問題針對現行的回收機制本席有幾個疑問想要請教彭部長部長請委員好\n\n05:43.100 --> 06:04.493\n部長有報告知道你所說的這個全世界的光電板的容量今年年底將到達2800個Gigawatts那台灣其實現在只有到15個Gigawatts佔比只有0.5%其中33個光電廠的部分在12.1萬片的光電廠已經在這次丹拉斯颱風裡面受損\n\n06:05.473 --> 06:25.951\n另外有9.1萬片已經完成資源化的處理1.8萬片經過修剪以後是何可以再利用現在也發現有1.2萬片暫置在合法場地這邊有幾個疑問請教一下部長所謂暫置是要放多久有沒有明確的處理的期程\n\n06:26.531 --> 06:48.333\n這三個月呢還是半年還是一年那另外環境部能不能或是會成立災後光電廢棄物的管理機制納入未來如果光電案審查與營運管理規範裡面避免每一次都要先放著以後再說或者是說有沒有一個制度的管理避免讓這個站置將來就變成了棄置\n\n06:50.895 --> 07:15.214\n環境部不能夠只告訴我們數字也希望能夠把這個管理的流程跟處理的責任可以一併來完成好謝謝委員因為我所知道這1.2萬片它是算是一般的廢棄物那它是暫置在那個地方那按照現在的法規它大概可以最多可以只能放一年那當然因為它的處理廠的量能還有他們之間的合約可能沒有談得很好所以會\n\n07:15.774 --> 07:36.466\n拖得比較久我們會盡量能夠督促他們盡快把他這個處理回收完成那委員提到的這個災後風電的廢棄物管理就是這個概念非常好因為其實全世界沒有遇過這種所謂的十幾萬片毀壞的台灣是第一個所以我們現在其實很多的國家也來主動跟我垂行我們怎麼去面對的這機制到底如何\n\n07:36.906 --> 07:55.099\n所以但是我覺得我們未來也可以自己再檢討一下所以委員提出這樣的一個方式很好我們會組成一個小組由我們循環署來訂那因為包含了我們的這個資源循環促進法其實也會把這個東西放進來所以未來我相信我們可以走到一個正向的道路去進行\n\n07:55.498 --> 08:22.537\n好我們用前瞻性的方式來應對這些問題不知道您也說太陽板廢棄物將歸類為四葉廢棄物的管理並納入應回收的廢棄物這個部分本席非常的支持可是還是有一些問題需要克服在修法還沒有確定之前是否能夠提出全國各縣市環保局一致性的執法指引因為我想不只是南部應該各縣市\n\n08:23.718 --> 08:43.144\n慢慢都會碰到類似的問題還有這裡面有提到這個將來要把這個相關的費率要做合理的調整那什麼叫合理的調整未來的規劃有沒有一個方向出來也報告委員其實因為他的這個現在的供需價量有一點因為過去的量不夠所以\n\n08:43.664 --> 09:09.123\n做的成本就比較高那未來量如果逐步可以起來相對的供需之間這個價格就有機會會下降那這個當然這個是需要財務模型跟推算的那這個目前呢是要由我們未來可能都是我們循環署來推動未來我們是現在目前為止是我們循環署跟能源署一起來合作所以這個部分呢我們近期就會來討論這樣的如何去計算推估未來的需求那怎麼樣做得更好\n\n09:09.864 --> 09:23.175\n好謝謝謝謝部長下來還有一個問題最後要請教就是有關於老舊的這些漁船太儲回收處理上面的困難在這個請教部長之前我也要先請教一下有關於農業部對這個議題有關於老舊漁船的問題會請農業部方次長\n\n09:33.300 --> 09:54.095\n次長好我知道您是漁業方面的專家剛好今天有機會在這邊麻煩次長對於漁業方面的問題尤其是捕撈的這個漁船的生態應該很清楚尤其是這個老舊漁船的收購是一個很艱難的議題因為有很多的面向我們要同時的去考慮\n\n09:54.915 --> 10:16.349\n那我們也知道台灣其實是一個海洋國家不管是遠洋的或者是近海的這個捕撈都是非常重要的對於漁民的生計對國家來講都是重要的問題那當然這個船用久了就會有淘汰的問題可能我們面對將來會有一萬艘的這個船需要做淘汰\n\n10:16.869 --> 10:42.987\n那這個淘汰的過程裡面當然我們希望能夠減少過度的捕撈永續發展淘汰不符合標準船隻等等要提升我們的競爭力還有解決這個漁會船老問題跟輔導這個漁民作業等等目前比較困難的地方就是說有關於這個漁業船使用玻璃纖維材質的這個報廢困難而且回收的費用其實是高的\n\n10:44.548 --> 11:11.222\n相關的這個船舶如果沒有好好的回收其實對地方尤其是漁館是造成一些處理上的影響那這個都是大家尤其是有漁港的這個縣市共同的痛所以想要請教次長就是說我們要完成規劃政策的這個前提要很完整的這個資料統計那目前漁業署這邊有沒有相關的資料可以讓我們多了解\n\n11:12.234 --> 11:25.271\n跟委員報告那我們目前有在採取的這個收購老舊漁船這樣的一個計畫那去年114年就公告了之後呢總共有將近217艘的漁船前來參與這樣的一個計畫\n\n11:28.635 --> 11:45.210\n那但是受限於經費的這個有限所以我們依照我們的經費的能量然後依序的排定這樣的優先順序以這個對於生態破壞比較大的微網漁船作為第一個優先的這個收購的順序然後依次的排列那剛剛委員所垂詢有關於就是\n\n11:45.710 --> 11:48.012\n比較難處理的FRP的這樣的漁船的船體的這個問題那事實上我們在以前的減船的時候也曾經做過的就是把這個漁船內部的這個油倉各項清理完畢之後做為這個漁礁這樣的一個做法\n\n12:00.384 --> 12:25.425\n目前我們也跟這個環境部這邊有在洽談就是目前有一個有一個新的比較新的技術就是利用水泥窯的這樣的一個回收的這樣的一個機制那因為FRP裡面它的這個不可燃物包括氧化鎂氧化鋁這些的部分可以作為使用那另外可燃物的樹脂的這個部分剛好可以作為一個結合所以我們目前正在洽談這方面的這樣的可行性\n\n12:25.805 --> 12:52.595\n好謝謝市長那是不是能夠針對於如果有完整的統計資料也可以送到本席這邊來做後續的處理是謝謝市長請市長請回那最後還是要請教部長就是說老舊漁船的問題是跟光電板的處理其實有點類似有點類似有點類似因為我們知道這個回收機制的建立回收量能跟技術的確保回收預算補助機制等等都是相關我們需要去處理的地方\n\n12:53.475 --> 13:05.924\n到底漁船的廢棄物是事業廢棄物還是一般廢棄物目前我們的處理量能是如何將來有沒有相關可以回收的技術就剛剛次長所提到的問題\n\n13:06.741 --> 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有報告知道你所說的這個全世界的光電板的容量今年年底將到達2800個Gigawatts那台灣其實現在只有到15個Gigawatts 佔比只有0.5%其中33個光電廠的部分在12.1萬片的光電廠已經在這次丹拉斯颱風裡面受損"},{"start":365.473,"end":385.951,"text":"另外有9.1萬片已經完成資源化的處理1.8萬片經過修剪以後是何可以再利用現在也發現有1.2萬片暫置在合法場地這邊有幾個疑問請教一下部長所謂暫置是要放多久有沒有明確的處理的期程"},{"start":386.531,"end":408.333,"text":"這三個月呢還是半年還是一年那另外環境部能不能或是會成立災後光電廢棄物的管理機制納入未來如果光電案審查與營運管理規範裡面避免每一次都要先放著以後再說或者是說有沒有一個制度的管理避免讓這個站置將來就變成了棄置"},{"start":410.895,"end":435.214,"text":"環境部不能夠只告訴我們數字也希望能夠把這個管理的流程跟處理的責任可以一併來完成好 謝謝委員因為我所知道這1.2萬片它是算是一般的廢棄物那它是暫置在那個地方那按照現在的法規它大概可以最多可以只能放一年那當然因為它的處理廠的量能還有他們之間的合約可能沒有談得很好所以會"},{"start":435.774,"end":456.466,"text":"拖得比較久我們會盡量能夠督促他們盡快把他這個處理回收完成那委員提到的這個災後風電的廢棄物管理就是這個概念非常好因為其實全世界沒有遇過這種所謂的十幾萬片毀壞的台灣是第一個所以我們現在其實很多的國家也來主動跟我垂行我們怎麼去面對的這機制到底如何"},{"start":456.906,"end":475.099,"text":"所以但是我覺得我們未來也可以自己再檢討一下所以委員提出這樣的一個方式很好我們會組成一個小組由我們循環署來訂那因為包含了我們的這個資源循環促進法其實也會把這個東西放進來所以未來我相信我們可以走到一個正向的道路去進行"},{"start":475.498,"end":502.537,"text":"好 我們用前瞻性的方式來應對這些問題不知道您也說太陽板廢棄物將歸類為四葉廢棄物的管理並納入應回收的廢棄物這個部分本席非常的支持可是還是有一些問題需要克服在修法還沒有確定之前是否能夠提出全國各縣市環保局一致性的執法指引因為我想不只是南部 應該各縣市"},{"start":503.718,"end":523.144,"text":"慢慢都會碰到類似的問題還有這裡面有提到這個將來要把這個相關的費率要做合理的調整那什麼叫合理的調整未來的規劃有沒有一個方向出來也報告委員其實因為他的這個現在的供需價量有一點因為過去的量不夠所以"},{"start":523.664,"end":549.123,"text":"做的成本就比較高那未來量如果逐步可以起來相對的供需之間這個價格就有機會會下降那這個當然這個是需要財務模型跟推算的那這個目前呢是要由我們未來可能都是我們循環署來推動未來我們是現在目前為止是我們循環署跟能源署一起來合作所以這個部分呢我們近期就會來討論這樣的如何去計算推估未來的需求那怎麼樣做得更好"},{"start":549.864,"end":563.175,"text":"好 謝謝 謝謝部長下來還有一個問題最後要請教就是有關於老舊的這些漁船太儲回收處理上面的困難在這個請教部長之前我也要先請教一下有關於農業部對這個議題有關於老舊漁船的問題會請農業部方次長"},{"start":573.3,"end":594.095,"text":"次長好我知道您是漁業方面的專家剛好今天有機會在這邊麻煩次長對於漁業方面的問題尤其是捕撈的這個漁船的生態應該很清楚尤其是這個老舊漁船的收購是一個很艱難的議題因為有很多的面向我們要同時的去考慮"},{"start":594.915,"end":616.349,"text":"那我們也知道台灣其實是一個海洋國家不管是遠洋的或者是近海的這個捕撈都是非常重要的對於漁民的生計對國家來講都是重要的問題那當然這個船用久了就會有淘汰的問題可能我們面對將來會有一萬艘的這個船需要做淘汰"},{"start":616.869,"end":642.987,"text":"那這個淘汰的過程裡面當然我們希望能夠減少過度的捕撈永續發展淘汰不符合標準船隻等等要提升我們的競爭力還有解決這個漁會船老問題跟輔導這個漁民作業等等目前比較困難的地方就是說有關於這個漁業船使用玻璃纖維材質的這個報廢困難而且回收的費用其實是高的"},{"start":644.548,"end":671.222,"text":"相關的這個船舶如果沒有好好的回收其實對地方尤其是漁館是造成一些處理上的影響那這個都是大家尤其是有漁港的這個縣市共同的痛所以想要請教次長就是說我們要完成規劃政策的這個前提要很完整的這個資料統計那目前漁業署這邊有沒有相關的資料可以讓我們多了解"},{"start":672.234,"end":685.271,"text":"跟委員報告那我們目前有在採取的這個收購老舊漁船這樣的一個計畫那去年114年就公告了之後呢總共有將近217艘的漁船前來參與這樣的一個計畫"},{"start":688.635,"end":705.21,"text":"那但是受限於經費的這個有限所以我們依照我們的經費的能量然後依序的排定這樣的優先順序以這個對於生態破壞比較大的微網漁船作為第一個優先的這個收購的順序然後依次的排列那剛剛委員所垂詢有關於就是"},{"start":705.71,"end":708.012,"text":"比較難處理的FRP的這樣的漁船的船體的這個問題那事實上我們在以前的減船的時候也曾經做過的就是把這個漁船內部的這個油倉各項清理完畢之後做為這個漁礁這樣的一個做法"},{"start":720.384,"end":745.425,"text":"目前我們也跟這個環境部這邊有在洽談就是目前有一個有一個新的比較新的技術就是利用水泥窯的這樣的一個回收的這樣的一個機制那因為FRP裡面它的這個不可燃物包括氧化鎂氧化鋁這些的部分可以作為使用那另外可燃物的樹脂的這個部分剛好可以作為一個結合所以我們目前正在洽談這方面的這樣的可行性"},{"start":745.805,"end":772.595,"text":"好謝謝市長那是不是能夠針對於如果有完整的統計資料也可以送到本席這邊來做後續的處理是謝謝市長請市長請回那最後還是要請教部長就是說老舊漁船的問題是跟光電板的處理其實有點類似有點類似有點類似因為我們知道這個回收機制的建立回收量能跟技術的確保回收預算補助機制等等都是相關我們需要去處理的地方"},{"start":773.475,"end":785.924,"text":"到底漁船的廢棄物是事業廢棄物還是一般廢棄物目前我們的處理量能是如何將來有沒有相關可以回收的技術就剛剛次長所提到的問題"},{"start":786.741,"end":810.006,"text":"那這些部長這邊有沒有開始了解或者是開始去關注到這個意思報告委員目前我們有一個科專計畫就是協助農業部在處理這個問題那現在的在試驗當中例如說剛剛講到把它進到水泥窯之後去做處理那個量能有多少我覺得委員你說的沒錯這個就跟光電板一樣需要來規劃因為那個量慢慢就會起來"},{"start":810.586,"end":822.49,"text":"是 所以如果相關營業的成果 可不可以也讓我們可以確實掌握可以可以 好 謝謝委員 謝謝沙偉謝謝 也請將到時候那個相關的報告可以提供委員會的委員們"}]}}},"gazette":{"lineno":1161,"blocks":[["王委員正旭：（12時56分）謝謝主席。主席、各位同仁。我國推動太陽能光電是邁向2050淨零轉型重要的基礎措施，所以我完全支持再生能源發展的方向。那在這一次的風災，我們也看到部分的光電案場仍然存在著很多設置的風險，還有環境管理不足、廢板處理延遲等問題。我想今天在這個質詢過程裡面，不是在反對光電，而是希望能夠協助政府來完善制度，強化民眾對於綠能的信任，基本上的重點是這樣。可是面對這一次的風災所造成太陽光電板的受損，還有這些板材外溢，甚至危及到民眾的生命財產安全，所以我們認為除了研議如何精進環評制度之外，更迫切的課題是能源署針對現有以及審查中的光電案場，是否已經建立完善而且可執行的防災管理機制，因此，本席希望把焦點放在光電設施的防治治理責任跟制度的缺口。我相信這不僅是產業署要管理的議題，更攸關公共安全跟國土韌性，所以要先請能源署李署長來這邊討論相關的問題。"],["主席：請署長。"],["王委員正旭：署長，你好。"],["李署長君禮：委員好。"],["王委員正旭：我先請教一下，因為上個月你們有提到太陽光電案場設置，依法需要由專業技師來簽證把關。另外，本次風災能源署也會同電業審查委員，針對全國的水面型光電案場一共有31案完成電業檢驗，也希望能夠在兩個月內就完成改善，同時要加強宣導業者能夠落實平時的巡檢。第一個想要請教，這31個案場目前改善的情形如何？具體的改善做了哪一些事情？還有將來地面型的光電場是不是也要納入檢查？如何宣導業者能夠在平時落實巡檢？這可以跟大家報告。"],["李署長君禮：兩個部分，一個部分就是剛才講的，這些水面型的有31個案場，我們把它再做一次全面的體檢。其中有22個案場比較簡單、受損比較輕微，有9個案場是受損比較嚴重的，有5個，我們希望它在兩個月的時間內能夠提出改善計畫。也就是剛才講的，它要提出它的改善計畫，然後做完改善，年底前我們會再去複查它有沒有辦法完成改善。另外，有4個案場是受損比較嚴重的，我們看到比較多的是在滯洪池裡面，在嘉義那裡受損比較嚴重，我們通常就是請它提出改善計畫。有的案場據我們瞭解，它可能就不改善，它清走就清走，它就損失了，比如說原來可能是設置3mega，但是有1mega受到損害，可能未來那個就清運走了，我們是注重它會去清運乾淨，它可能就不再去增加或修復了，這個部分我們在年底之前會做完報告。","第二部分，剛才委員第二個垂詢的是，其餘有關地面型的，不只水面型的，就是地面型的這些太陽光電我們有什麼加強的措施，剛才次長也報告，我們現在是要求業者依照災防法要提出災害防救計畫，災害防救計畫除了事先災害之前的準備作業，也包括後面事後的廢棄物清理，這個辦法已經公告了，我們會要求這些大型的業者依災防法提出災防計畫。"],["王委員正旭：所以聽起來都有依照規定要求在執行中。"],["李署長君禮：是。"],["王委員正旭：我們也期待能夠很快把這些該做的事情做好，不過針對業者落實平時巡檢，這邊要做宣導，這是比較奇怪，因為這是一個責任，為什麼還要宣導？本來應該做的事情，有沒有更強的措施來把這件事情更完整的落實？"],["李署長君禮：是，我們宣導就是要叫他去落實。另外，我們也會去做抽查的查核，他平常做的查核要留下查核紀錄，那我們去做抽查的時候，因為案件非常多，全國的太陽光電大概有九萬多件，我們去做抽查的時候他要有資料讓我們可以查，他自己巡檢要做紀錄，我們現在是希望他能夠加強這一方面。"],["王委員正旭：OK，至少他準備的工作應該做好。"],["李署長君禮：是。"],["王委員正旭：瞭解，好，謝謝署長，請回座。"],["李署長君禮：謝謝。"],["王委員正旭：我們知道這次風災不僅造成嚴重的損害，也凸顯了回收量能的問題，針對現行的回收機制，本席有幾個疑問想要請教彭部長，部長請。"],["彭部長啓明：委員好。"],["王委員正旭：從部長的報告可以知道，全世界的光電板容量在今年年底將到達2,800GW，臺灣現在只有到15GW，占比只有0.5%。其中33個光電廠的部分，有12.1萬片光電板在這次的丹娜絲颱風裡面受損，另外有9.1萬片已經完成資源化處理，1.8萬片經過檢修以後可以再利用，現在也發現有1.2萬片暫置在合法場地，這邊有幾個疑問要請教部長，所謂「暫置」是要放多久？有沒有明確的處理期程？是3個月還是半年？還是一年？另外，環境部是否會建立「災後光電廢棄物管理機制」，納入未來光電案審查與營運管理規範裡面，避免每一次都要先放著以後再說？或者是說，有沒有一個制度的管理，避免讓「暫置」將來變成了「棄置」？環境部不能夠只告訴我們數字，也希望能夠把管理的流程跟處理的責任一併來完成。"],["彭部長啓明：好，謝謝委員。因為我所知道，這1.2萬片算是一般的廢棄物，它是暫置在那個地方，按照現在的法規大概最多只能放一年。當然他因為處理廠的量能，還有他們之間的合約可能沒有談得很好，所以會拖得比較久，我們會儘量督促他們，儘快把回收處理完成。","至於委員提到的「災後光電廢棄物管理機制」，這個概念非常好，因為全世界沒有遇過這種十幾萬片毀壞的，臺灣是第一個，所以現在很多的國家也主動來跟我垂詢，包括我們是怎麼去面對的、這個機制到底是如何，但是我覺得我們未來也可以自己再檢討一下，所以委員提出這樣的一個方式很好，我們會組成一個小組，由循環署來訂，包含我們的資源循環促進法也會把這個東西放進來，所以未來我相信我們可以走到一個正向的道路去進行。"],["王委員正旭：好，我們用前瞻性的方式來應對這些問題。部長，您也說太陽能板廢棄物將歸類為事業廢棄物的管理，並納入應回收廢棄物，這個部分本席非常地支持，可是還是有一些問題需要克服，在修法還沒有確定之前，是否能夠提出全國各縣市環保局一致性的執法指引？因為我想不只是南部，應該各縣市慢慢都會碰到類似的問題。還有，這裡面有提到，將來要把相關費率做合理的調整，什麼叫合理的調整？未來的規劃有沒有一個方向出來？"],["彭部長啓明：對，也報告委員，其實它的供需價量，因為過去的量不夠，所以做的成本就會比較高，未來的量如果逐步可以起來，相對的供需之間這個價格就有機會下降，當然這個是需要財務模型跟推算的，未來可能都是由我們循環署來推動，目前為止是我們循環署跟能源署一起來合作，所以這個部分我們近期就會來討論如何去計算，推估未來的需求，怎麼樣做得更好。"],["王委員正旭：好，謝謝部長。接下來還有一個問題，最後要請教有關於老舊漁船汰除在回收處理上面的困難，在請教部長之前，我要先請教一下農業部這個議題，有關於老舊漁船的問題，可不可以請農業部黃次長？"],["黃次長昭欽：委員好。"],["王委員正旭：次長好。黃次長，我知道您是漁業方面的專家，剛好今天有機會在這邊麻煩次長，對於漁業方面的問題，尤其是捕撈漁船的生態，您應該很清楚。老舊漁船的收購是一個很艱難的議題，因為有很多的面向我們要同時去考慮，我們也知道臺灣是一個海洋國家，不管是遠洋的或者是近海的捕撈都是非常重要的，對漁民的生計，對國家來講都是重要的問題。","當然船用久了就會有淘汰的問題，面對將來可能有1萬艘船需要做淘汰，在這個淘汰的過程裡面，當然我們是希望能夠減少過度捕撈、永續發展、淘汰不符合標準船隻等等，要提升我們的競爭力，還有解決漁廢船這個老問題以及輔導漁民作業等等。目前比較困難的地方在於漁船使用玻璃纖維材質報廢困難，而且回收的費用是高的，相關的船舶如果沒有好好地回收，其實對地方的漁管會造成一些處理上的影響，這個是有漁港的縣市共同的痛，所以想要請教次長，我們要完成規劃政策的前提，就是要有很完整的資料統計，目前漁業署這邊有沒有相關的資料可以讓我們多瞭解？"],["黃次長昭欽：跟委員報告，我們目前有在採取收購老舊漁船的計畫，去年114年公告了之後，總共有將近217艘漁船前來參與這個計畫，但是受限於經費有限，所以我們依照經費的能量依序地排定優先順序，以對生態破壞比較大的圍網漁船作為第一個優先收購的順序，然後依次排列。","至於剛剛委員所垂詢，有關於比較難處理的FRP漁船船體的問題，事實上我們在以前減船的時候，也曾經做過把漁船內部的油艙各項清理完畢之後，把它作為魚礁的一個做法。目前我們跟環境部也有在洽談，現在有一個比較新的技術，就是利用水泥窯的回收機制，因為FRP裡面的不可燃物，包括氧化鎂、氧化鋁這些部分可以作為使用；另外，可燃物的樹脂這個部分，剛好可以作為一個結合，所以我們目前正在洽談這一方面的可行性。"],["王委員正旭：好，謝謝次長。如果有完整的統計資料，是不是也可以送到本席這邊來做後續的處理？"],["黃次長昭欽：好，是，謝謝委員。"],["王委員正旭：謝謝次長，次長請回。","最後還是要請教部長，老舊漁船的問題其實跟光電板的處理是有點類似。"],["彭部長啓明：有點類似，對。"],["王委員正旭：因為我們知道這個回收機制的建立，回收量能跟技術的確保，以及回收預算、補助機制等等，都是我們需要去處理的地方，那漁船廢棄物到底是事業廢棄物還是一般廢棄物？目前的處理量能是如何？將來有沒有相關的回收技術？就剛剛次長所提到的問題，部長有沒有開始瞭解，或者是開始去關注到這個議題？"],["彭部長啓明：報告委員，目前我們有一個科專計畫就是協助農業部在處理這個問題，現在還在試驗當中，例如說剛剛講到把它進到水泥窯之後去做處理，那個量能有多少。我覺得委員你說得沒錯，這個就跟光電板一樣，需要來規劃，因為那個量慢慢就會起來。"],["王委員正旭：是，如果有相關研議的成果，可不可以讓我們也能確實掌握？"],["彭部長啓明：可以、可以。"],["王委員正旭：好，謝謝。"],["彭部長啓明：謝謝委員。"],["王委員正旭：謝謝召委。"],["主席：到時候相關的報告也請提供給委員會的委員們，謝謝王正旭委員發言。","請林淑芬委員發言。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":214,"meet_id":"委員會-11-4-26-5","speakers":["廖偉翔","陳昭姿","羅廷瑋","陳菁徽","林月琴","劉建國","蘇清泉","邱鎮軍","黃秀芳","王育敏","張啓楷","洪孟楷","牛煦庭","楊瓊瓔","王正旭","林淑芬","涂權吉","楊曜","陳瑩","盧縣一","徐欣瑩"],"page_start":129,"meetingDate":["2025-10-20"],"gazette_id":"1148601","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1148601_00004"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第5次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"一、邀請環境部、經濟部、農業部、內政部就「太陽能光電板案場環評機制與保護區廢棄物管理\n之檢討」進行專題報告，並備質詢；二、審查(一)委員賴瑞隆等16人擬具「噪音管制法第二十六\n條及第二十八條條文修正草案」案、(二)委員陳亭妃等16人擬具「噪音管制法第二十六條及第二\n十八條條文修正草案」案、(三)委員張智倫等17人擬具「噪音管制法第二十六條及第二十八條條\n文修正草案」案、(四)委員王育敏等24人擬具「噪音管制法第二十六條及第二十八條條文修正草\n案」案、( 五) 台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「噪音管制法第二十六條及第二十八條條文修正草案」案、\n(六)委員黃健豪等19人擬具「噪音管制法第二十六條及第二十八條條文修正草案」案、(七)委員\n牛煦庭等25人擬具「噪音管制法第二條及第二十六條條文修正草案」案、(八)委員羅明才等20人\n擬具「噪音管制法第二十六條及第二十八條條文修正草案」案、(九)委員羅廷瑋等17人擬具「噪\n音管制法第二十六條及第二十八條條文修正草案」案【專題報告及法律案採綜合詢答；法律案僅\n詢答】","agenda_id":"1148601_00003"}}}