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00:03:02,527\n家屬在知道他被騙至中國的時候事實上他那時候就有求助了那我們也透過就是說希望透過警政署外交部能夠趕快攔截把他營救回來可是都沒有辦法上例所以在經過一年的時間之後他的家屬也是費盡千辛萬苦透過各種關係也付了贖金就是兩萬美元的這個贖金那最近\n\n9\n00:03:04,247 --> 00:03:30,493\n就是他這個媽媽把他救出來在離園區附近的一個地方那他也因為目前他也沒有任何的一個身份的資料就是護照都沒有所以他也再次的一個求助可是我們的外交的就是在金邊的辦事處的外交人員的回覆是要他自行想辦法移動到金邊這邊\n\n10\n00:03:33,233 --> 00:04:01,083\n我們的這個住外單位才能夠給予協助可是我覺得說在這樣子的一個協助的回復的時候我覺得好像有回跟沒有回是一樣的對於這個家屬毫無幫助我跟委員報告我們已經營救大概上百位被這個所謂不管是自動的或脅迫的到這個所謂的KK這個園區等等因為這個樣態很多包括有三分之一左右是有前科\n\n11\n00:04:01,883 --> 00:04:22,195\n有一些是自動去的有一些是被迫的所以在每一個情形之下我們必須判定而且我們在營救的過程包括跟警政署我們都有這些法務警政的秘書在我們的外館所以不管是緬甸也好泰國也好柬埔寨我相信我們都是很\n\n12\n00:04:23,246 --> 00:04:31,756\n主動但是在處理上的時候因為有些瑕管權而且有些涉及安全的問題所以我想如果有個案\n\n13\n00:04:32,801 --> 00:05:00,555\n委員可以提供給我們我們來檢討看哪裡還可以再改變但是也可能這個對面支持我們也是會加以了解可是我們外交部還是沒有辦法給予很實質上的一個援助那我想因為時間有限有沒有辦法在這邊再跟部長做詳細的討論我們希望我在這邊提出來這個議題是希望就是說這個個案非常的明確然後這個就是家屬他也把他的媽媽\n\n14\n00:05:01,696 --> 00:05:18,796\n就是想盡辦法就離KK園區了我們希望外交部能夠在緬甸那邊就是在柬埔寨那邊能夠尋求相關的民間資源趕快把他的媽媽能夠帶到安全的地方協助他返國\n\n15\n00:05:19,757 --> 00:05:37,493\n好謝謝我們的林部長接下來我想就我們工地放嶺的政策來請教院長我們知道我們國家我們的工地放嶺政策自從1948年開始就有辦理這樣子的一個政策後來是因為921跟這個桃枝颱風\n\n16\n00:05:38,935 --> 00:05:54,737\n重創台灣所以基於國土保育以及國土保安及復育的政策所以這個工地放年政策從2008年就停辦了一直到現在可是我們也看到之前應該也是最近\n\n17\n00:05:55,858 --> 00:06:24,981\n應該是去年前年就是也有針對宜蘭縣的蘇澳鎮朝陽里的大蘭澳地區80公頃這個台拓地要重啟工地放寧的一個政策因為這個新聞都有報導所以我們地方的鄉親在我們彰化縣包括社同還有包括這個方苑地區很多就是在工地上耕作的農民事實上他們在這個地方也都耕作四五十年以上了所以他們也很\n\n18\n00:06:25,561 --> 00:06:34,860\n期盼說是不是也可以在就是說彰化縣也可以啟動這個工地放寧的一個政策是行政院在\n\n19\n00:06:36,811 --> 00:07:02,770\n認為這是一個歷史轉型正義跟土地正義的問題如果在不妨礙到國土的保安保育以及公共安全的情況底下在有條件滿足的情況底下我們願意來思考所以從大南澳的台拓地先行試辦那這個試辦的過程以及現在的執行情況內政部一直在掌握當中那如果這個試辦可以在滿足相關的條件之後我們是依照這個條件\n\n20\n00:07:03,590 --> 00:07:22,385\n或是在這個條件基礎上著與考慮其他的更多的方式加進來那這個會是後續接下來做的如果可以請部長來說明一下我可不可以補充說明一下謝謝陳委員的關心那院長有指示沒有錯在5月6號的時候已經有條件的放領國有的平地耕地\n\n21\n00:07:23,205 --> 00:07:46,397\n現在內政部去盤點包括山坡地放嶺跟平地耕地放嶺這兩件有關放嶺條件也就是說在山坡地範圍內的農牧用地以及平地耕地放嶺的農牧用地彰化縣政府確實有一些農民他是屬於這個範圍我們現在盤點出來在彰化的部分跟平地耕地放嶺\n\n22\n00:07:47,517 --> 00:08:03,568\n大概有331筆總共的面積是58.6公頃那山坡地的農牧用地大概是40筆總共是6公頃那未來立委所關心的這個部分如果在我們現在全部去整理出來在法令依據上面沒有問題的話\n\n23\n00:08:04,649 --> 00:08:19,956\n我們會優先來根據這個院長的指示來做這方面的辦理但是法令的依據要回顧過去三次裡面為什麼會停止辦理的狀況要需要再跟包括財政部或是國有財產署做最後的確認\n\n24\n00:08:21,349 --> 00:08:42,867\n我們知道工地當然有不同的類型有保安林地或者是林地或者是一般的農地在我的選區裡面社頭它本來是屬於保安林地後來它也劃出了已由國產署在管理所以希望再考慮到沒有國土保安及保育的問題\n\n25\n00:08:43,707 --> 00:09:05,558\n的這個限制之外我們可以考慮來啟動這個工地放零的政策報告陳委員我會補充一下有關山坡地範圍內的林業用地目前大概沒有包括在放零的範圍內那還有包括剛剛院長所指示的如果你牽涉到國土保安保育或者是公共安全的這些前提之下那\n\n26\n00:09:06,218 --> 00:09:18,321\n院裡頭大概不會贊成有這樣子的條件所以我們要把這三個條件全部滿足之後才能朝著未來法律依據許可的狀況之下繼續往前來執行跟推動\n\n27\n00:09:19,349 --> 00:09:41,380\n是好那當然就是我們政府在針對這個政策會有條件的一個考量那希望符合的區域就是方院的這個部分是應該是一般農地那希望就是說就符合條件的部分我們可以來儘快的一個啟動是好謝謝部長謝謝那接下來我想請教就是有關經濟的一個議題那請我們劉部長請回\n\n28\n00:09:46,527 --> 00:10:11,764\n我想最近幾天這個股市的表現非常的耀眼在10月20號我們台股又創新高達到27688.63點那台積電的盤中股價高達1495元我們的外匯存底也破了6000億美元那在我們今年的人均GDP也超越了南韓應該達到應該有4萬美元\n\n29\n00:10:12,847 --> 00:10:38,901\n可是這些亮眼的數字我想可能也是我們中央政府對外在宣傳的時候非常引以自豪的可是我們要去思考說在這樣子的一個武士的一個亮眼的表現之外我們的台灣的經濟是真的就是真的是這麼好嗎我們要去好好的一個思考想先請教一下部長的看法\n\n30\n00:10:39,811 --> 00:10:53,647\n整體面來講還是非常好的趨勢當然有一些傳統性的產業它受到的事實上是不只對等關稅的影響主要的原因還是過去這幾年因為中國它低價傾銷\n\n31\n00:10:55,489 --> 00:11:20,014\n在國際市場上使得我們包括可能傳統性的產業包括機械業或者是像塑膠的製品可能會受到一些影響我們現在當然也極力的透過特別預算來支持他們編了大概460億元來全力這個錢絕大部分是用在傳統產業跟中小微的企業身上\n\n32\n00:11:21,394 --> 00:11:40,883\n事實上在關稅我們知道因為今天也有委員都關心到關稅的衝擊對美國關稅的影響真的對於傳統產業是雪上加霜因為在美國對等關稅之前事實上我們台灣的傳統產業就已經非常的艱困\n\n33\n00:11:44,825 --> 00:12:12,526\n而且對於我們國家的一個政策對於科技業跟傳統產業本來就有不同的一個措施所以導致好的越來越好傳統產業是越來越困難所以我們今天要講的就是說在股市的一個這樣子的一個創新高的狀況之下我們要去考量到很多傳統產業他們所面臨的一個困境應該要一同兼顧\n\n34\n00:12:13,506 --> 00:12:30,985\n這樣子才是真正的好我們事實上有兩個方式來支持我們的傳統產業第一個就是說因為我們要是跟中國拼價格大概是沒有辦法拼但是我們可以跟他拼品質還有我們的認證在特殊領域裡面這個是我們很厲害的\n\n35\n00:12:32,247 --> 00:12:47,289\n為什麼在轉型跟升級方面我們大概投入兩百多億會來做這樣的支持而且也成立著輔導團主動的要輔導這些傳統產業另外一個就是說我們都知道說這一次的電子業是受惠於AI的成長\n\n36\n00:12:48,050 --> 00:13:08,191\n我們現在要做的就是院長指示的要把這個AI的技術導入到百工百業讓這個百工百業都因為AI的發展而受惠他們也可以因為AI的發展而發展他們不管是升級也好或轉型也好或者受益這個也是我們要做的就是把這個普遍性把它做出來\n\n37\n00:13:10,695 --> 00:13:23,509\n我要講的是說其實在對等關稅之前傳統產業就非常的堅固因為主要就是說過去以來我們中央政府對於科技業這個獎勵投資跟研發的投資的一個獎勵\n\n38\n00:13:25,290 --> 00:13:39,415\n就是比這個傳統產業更加的優惠那對傳統產業來說雖然在應該2023年我們把那個門檻就是取消之後就是這個研發的一個底檢取消之後還有這個\n\n39\n00:13:40,656 --> 00:13:59,809\n設備投資的這個低減油把那個門檻稍微放寬之外可是對於整個傳統產業來說他們還是非常的一個困難所以我們是不是可以針對尤其在這個對等關稅的衝擊之後這個無薪假的一個狀況真的越來越多所以對於整個基層的\n\n40\n00:14:00,249 --> 00:14:16,146\n很多民眾真的也是非常的叫苦連天尤其又遇到很多的物價上漲的問題所以我們是不是就是說可以除了科技業它當然目前是一個非常好的狀況之外我們對於傳統產業我們是不是可以從\n\n41\n00:14:19,928 --> 00:14:35,161\n租稅優惠這個部分去考慮怎樣來鼓勵然後讓我們的這個中小企業能夠得到更多一個幫助雖然說我們在任性的這個特別預算裡面有這個就是有一些的補助包括就是貸款等等的\n\n42\n00:14:35,521 --> 00:14:50,284\n那我們是不是可以針對這個減稅的部分因為我在地方拜訪的時候很多傳統的產業他們是希望說能夠比照疫情期間給予一些減稅的一個優惠措施讓他們可以度過這樣子的一個衝擊跟難關是不是可以請部長\n\n43\n00:14:51,309 --> 00:15:08,461\n巴委員現在我們對於這些傳統產業的支持剛剛提到就是說事實上院長在特別預算裡面特別提到的就是說如果這個企業在研發的過程當中導入太舊換新的機器設備的話這個是我們有補助的最高可以補助到50%\n\n44\n00:15:09,602 --> 00:15:29,016\n而且他這個就是這個導入只要他智慧化的過程事實上是可以減稅的是可以補稅的跟委員報告總統總統在雙十的講話當中提到不只要有好數字要讓人民過好日子而且如果今天沒有受到\n\n45\n00:15:47,244 --> 00:16:00,699\n好謝謝陳樹越委員質詢謝謝左院長各相關部會首長備詢謝謝各位現在一場二樓旁聽了來自台北市李孝禮的朋友們我們掌聲歡迎各位\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n8133\t15623\t謝謝院長請院長邀請行政院左院長還有外交部麻煩再請左院長外交部長備詢陳委員好\n26394\t42589\t院長早部長早安首先本席先就就是說在9月11號10號左右我們有看到新聞有報導就是說在尼泊爾有發生暴動\n43810\t60088\t事後就有新聞報導說我們的民眾致電外交部應該是印度的辦事處要求助結果遭冷回我覺得看到這樣子的新聞報導我覺得對我們國家的外交部的形象不是很好吳小部長對這個事件\n63493\t82245\t因為基本上我們在尼泊爾並沒有派出我們的代表處是由轄管所以這個聯繫上當然如果是我們同仁接到任何的急難救助或者是需要協助的\n83291\t104129\t我們都一代的要求一定要立即來辦理因為恩尼伯當時在暴動的情況是很混亂所以這個情形並不是一般常態的代表處理不過我相信我們的同仁在第一線第一時間應該都是很認真在處理\n105780\t129300\t我們知道說我們國家的外交處境真的是非常的艱難畢竟我們在很多的地方沒有實際的邦交辦事處應該也都行之有年了應該在地方也都會建立相關的人脈所以在國人遇到急難的時候我們應該要盡力給予協助本席在最近又有一件民眾的陳情\n131542\t155321\t那事實上這個陳情是從去年就開始了就是一件就是國人被誘騙到中國然後又被偷渡到緬甸的一個就是詐騙的案子那他被騙至這個緬甸之後就是被騙到這個KK園區去結果就是被限制這個行動自由嘛被關在那邊從事這個詐騙的一個行為\n156909\t182527\t家屬在知道他被騙至中國的時候事實上他那時候就有求助了那我們也透過就是說希望透過警政署外交部能夠趕快攔截把他營救回來可是都沒有辦法上例所以在經過一年的時間之後他的家屬也是費盡千辛萬苦透過各種關係也付了贖金就是兩萬美元的這個贖金那最近\n184247\t210493\t就是他這個媽媽把他救出來在離園區附近的一個地方那他也因為目前他也沒有任何的一個身份的資料就是護照都沒有所以他也再次的一個求助可是我們的外交的就是在金邊的辦事處的外交人員的回覆是要他自行想辦法移動到金邊這邊\n213233\t241083\t我們的這個住外單位才能夠給予協助可是我覺得說在這樣子的一個協助的回復的時候我覺得好像有回跟沒有回是一樣的對於這個家屬毫無幫助我跟委員報告我們已經營救大概上百位被這個所謂不管是自動的或脅迫的到這個所謂的KK這個園區等等因為這個樣態很多包括有三分之一左右是有前科\n241883\t262195\t有一些是自動去的有一些是被迫的所以在每一個情形之下我們必須判定而且我們在營救的過程包括跟警政署我們都有這些法務警政的秘書在我們的外館所以不管是緬甸也好泰國也好柬埔寨我相信我們都是很\n263246\t271756\t主動但是在處理上的時候因為有些瑕管權而且有些涉及安全的問題所以我想如果有個案\n272801\t300555\t委員可以提供給我們我們來檢討看哪裡還可以再改變但是也可能這個對面支持我們也是會加以了解可是我們外交部還是沒有辦法給予很實質上的一個援助那我想因為時間有限有沒有辦法在這邊再跟部長做詳細的討論我們希望我在這邊提出來這個議題是希望就是說這個個案非常的明確然後這個就是家屬他也把他的媽媽\n301696\t318796\t就是想盡辦法就離KK園區了我們希望外交部能夠在緬甸那邊就是在柬埔寨那邊能夠尋求相關的民間資源趕快把他的媽媽能夠帶到安全的地方協助他返國\n319757\t337493\t好 謝謝我們的林部長接下來我想就我們工地放嶺的政策來請教院長我們知道我們國家我們的工地放嶺政策自從1948年開始就有辦理這樣子的一個政策後來是因為921跟這個桃枝颱風\n338935\t354737\t重創台灣所以基於國土保育以及國土保安及復育的政策所以這個工地放年政策從2008年就停辦了一直到現在可是我們也看到之前應該也是最近\n355858\t384981\t應該是去年前年就是也有針對宜蘭縣的蘇澳鎮朝陽里的大蘭澳地區80公頃這個台拓地要重啟工地放寧的一個政策因為這個新聞都有報導所以我們地方的鄉親在我們彰化縣包括社同還有包括這個方苑地區很多就是在工地上耕作的農民事實上他們在這個地方也都耕作四五十年以上了所以他們也很\n385561\t394860\t期盼說是不是也可以在就是說彰化縣也可以啟動這個工地放寧的一個政策是行政院在\n396811\t422770\t認為這是一個歷史轉型正義跟土地正義的問題如果在不妨礙到國土的保安保育以及公共安全的情況底下在有條件滿足的情況底下我們願意來思考所以從大南澳的台拓地先行試辦那這個試辦的過程以及現在的執行情況內政部一直在掌握當中那如果這個試辦可以在滿足相關的條件之後我們是依照這個條件\n423590\t442385\t或是在這個條件基礎上著與考慮其他的更多的方式加進來那這個會是後續接下來做的如果可以請部長來說明一下我可不可以補充說明一下謝謝陳委員的關心那院長有指示沒有錯在5月6號的時候已經有條件的放領國有的平地耕地\n443205\t466397\t現在內政部去盤點包括山坡地放嶺跟平地耕地放嶺這兩件有關放嶺條件也就是說在山坡地範圍內的農牧用地以及平地耕地放嶺的農牧用地彰化縣政府確實有一些農民他是屬於這個範圍我們現在盤點出來在彰化的部分跟平地耕地放嶺\n467517\t483568\t大概有331筆總共的面積是58.6公頃那山坡地的農牧用地大概是40筆總共是6公頃那未來立委所關心的這個部分如果在我們現在全部去整理出來在法令依據上面沒有問題的話\n484649\t499956\t我們會優先來根據這個院長的指示來做這方面的辦理但是法令的依據要回顧過去三次裡面為什麼會停止辦理的狀況要需要再跟包括財政部或是國有財產署做最後的確認\n501349\t522867\t我們知道工地當然有不同的類型有保安林地或者是林地或者是一般的農地在我的選區裡面社頭它本來是屬於保安林地後來它也劃出了已由國產署在管理所以希望再考慮到沒有國土保安及保育的問題\n523707\t545558\t的這個限制之外我們可以考慮來啟動這個工地放零的政策報告陳委員我會補充一下有關山坡地範圍內的林業用地目前大概沒有包括在放零的範圍內那還有包括剛剛院長所指示的如果你牽涉到國土保安保育或者是公共安全的這些前提之下那\n546218\t558321\t院裡頭大概不會贊成有這樣子的條件所以我們要把這三個條件全部滿足之後才能朝著未來法律依據許可的狀況之下繼續往前來執行跟推動\n559349\t581380\t是 好 那當然就是我們政府在針對這個政策會有條件的一個考量那希望符合的區域就是方院的這個部分是應該是一般農地那希望就是說就符合條件的部分我們可以來儘快的一個啟動是好 謝謝部長謝謝那接下來我想請教就是有關經濟的一個議題那請我們劉部長請回\n586527\t611764\t我想最近幾天這個股市的表現非常的耀眼在10月20號我們台股又創新高達到27688.63點那台積電的盤中股價高達1495元我們的外匯存底也破了6000億美元那在我們今年的人均GDP也超越了南韓應該達到應該有4萬美元\n612847\t638901\t可是這些亮眼的數字我想可能也是我們中央政府對外在宣傳的時候非常引以自豪的可是我們要去思考說在這樣子的一個武士的一個亮眼的表現之外我們的台灣的經濟是真的就是真的是這麼好嗎我們要去好好的一個思考想先請教一下部長的看法\n639811\t653647\t整體面來講還是非常好的趨勢當然有一些傳統性的產業它受到的事實上是不只對等關稅的影響主要的原因還是過去這幾年因為中國它低價傾銷\n655489\t680014\t在國際市場上使得我們包括可能傳統性的產業包括機械業或者是像塑膠的製品可能會受到一些影響我們現在當然也極力的透過特別預算來支持他們編了大概460億元來全力這個錢絕大部分是用在傳統產業跟中小微的企業身上\n681394\t700883\t事實上在關稅我們知道因為今天也有委員都關心到關稅的衝擊對美國關稅的影響真的對於傳統產業是雪上加霜因為在美國對等關稅之前事實上我們台灣的傳統產業就已經非常的艱困\n704825\t732526\t而且對於我們國家的一個政策對於科技業跟傳統產業本來就有不同的一個措施所以導致好的越來越好傳統產業是越來越困難所以我們今天要講的就是說在股市的一個這樣子的一個創新高的狀況之下我們要去考量到很多傳統產業他們所面臨的一個困境應該要一同兼顧\n733506\t750985\t這樣子才是真正的好我們事實上有兩個方式來支持我們的傳統產業第一個就是說因為我們要是跟中國拼價格大概是沒有辦法拼但是我們可以跟他拼品質還有我們的認證在特殊領域裡面這個是我們很厲害的\n752247\t767289\t為什麼在轉型跟升級方面我們大概投入兩百多億會來做這樣的支持而且也成立著輔導團主動的要輔導這些傳統產業另外一個就是說我們都知道說這一次的電子業是受惠於AI的成長\n768050\t788191\t我們現在要做的就是院長指示的要把這個AI的技術導入到百工百業讓這個百工百業都因為AI的發展而受惠他們也可以因為AI的發展而發展他們不管是升級也好或轉型也好或者受益這個也是我們要做的就是把這個普遍性把它做出來\n790695\t803509\t我要講的是說其實在對等關稅之前傳統產業就非常的堅固因為主要就是說過去以來我們中央政府對於科技業這個獎勵投資跟研發的投資的一個獎勵\n805290\t819415\t就是比這個傳統產業更加的優惠那對傳統產業來說雖然在應該2023年我們把那個門檻就是取消之後就是這個研發的一個底檢取消之後還有這個\n820656\t839809\t設備投資的這個低減油把那個門檻稍微放寬之外可是對於整個傳統產業來說他們還是非常的一個困難所以我們是不是可以針對尤其在這個對等關稅的衝擊之後這個無薪假的一個狀況真的越來越多所以對於整個基層的\n840249\t856146\t很多民眾真的也是非常的叫苦連天尤其又遇到很多的物價上漲的問題所以我們是不是就是說可以除了科技業它當然目前是一個非常好的狀況之外我們對於傳統產業我們是不是可以從\n859928\t875161\t租稅優惠這個部分去考慮怎樣來鼓勵然後讓我們的這個中小企業能夠得到更多一個幫助雖然說我們在任性的這個特別預算裡面有這個就是有一些的補助包括就是貸款等等的\n875521\t890284\t那我們是不是可以針對這個減稅的部分因為我在地方拜訪的時候很多傳統的產業他們是希望說能夠比照疫情期間給予一些減稅的一個優惠措施讓他們可以度過這樣子的一個衝擊跟難關是不是可以請部長\n891309\t908461\t巴委員現在我們對於這些傳統產業的支持剛剛提到就是說事實上院長在特別預算裡面特別提到的就是說如果這個企業在研發的過程當中導入太舊換新的機器設備的話這個是我們有補助的最高可以補助到50%\n909602\t929016\t而且他這個就是這個導入只要他智慧化的過程事實上是可以減稅的是可以補稅的跟委員報告總統總統在雙十的講話當中提到不只要有好數字要讓人民過好日子而且如果今天沒有受到\n947244\t960699\t好 謝謝陳樹越委員質詢謝謝左院長各相關部會首長備詢 謝謝各位現在一場二樓旁聽了來自台北市李孝禮的朋友們我們掌聲歡迎各位\n","txt":"謝謝院長請院長邀請行政院左院長還有外交部麻煩再請左院長外交部長備詢陳委員好\n院長早部長早安首先本席先就就是說在9月11號10號左右我們有看到新聞有報導就是說在尼泊爾有發生暴動\n事後就有新聞報導說我們的民眾致電外交部應該是印度的辦事處要求助結果遭冷回我覺得看到這樣子的新聞報導我覺得對我們國家的外交部的形象不是很好吳小部長對這個事件\n因為基本上我們在尼泊爾並沒有派出我們的代表處是由轄管所以這個聯繫上當然如果是我們同仁接到任何的急難救助或者是需要協助的\n我們都一代的要求一定要立即來辦理因為恩尼伯當時在暴動的情況是很混亂所以這個情形並不是一般常態的代表處理不過我相信我們的同仁在第一線第一時間應該都是很認真在處理\n我們知道說我們國家的外交處境真的是非常的艱難畢竟我們在很多的地方沒有實際的邦交辦事處應該也都行之有年了應該在地方也都會建立相關的人脈所以在國人遇到急難的時候我們應該要盡力給予協助本席在最近又有一件民眾的陳情\n那事實上這個陳情是從去年就開始了就是一件就是國人被誘騙到中國然後又被偷渡到緬甸的一個就是詐騙的案子那他被騙至這個緬甸之後就是被騙到這個KK園區去結果就是被限制這個行動自由嘛被關在那邊從事這個詐騙的一個行為\n家屬在知道他被騙至中國的時候事實上他那時候就有求助了那我們也透過就是說希望透過警政署外交部能夠趕快攔截把他營救回來可是都沒有辦法上例所以在經過一年的時間之後他的家屬也是費盡千辛萬苦透過各種關係也付了贖金就是兩萬美元的這個贖金那最近\n就是他這個媽媽把他救出來在離園區附近的一個地方那他也因為目前他也沒有任何的一個身份的資料就是護照都沒有所以他也再次的一個求助可是我們的外交的就是在金邊的辦事處的外交人員的回覆是要他自行想辦法移動到金邊這邊\n我們的這個住外單位才能夠給予協助可是我覺得說在這樣子的一個協助的回復的時候我覺得好像有回跟沒有回是一樣的對於這個家屬毫無幫助我跟委員報告我們已經營救大概上百位被這個所謂不管是自動的或脅迫的到這個所謂的KK這個園區等等因為這個樣態很多包括有三分之一左右是有前科\n有一些是自動去的有一些是被迫的所以在每一個情形之下我們必須判定而且我們在營救的過程包括跟警政署我們都有這些法務警政的秘書在我們的外館所以不管是緬甸也好泰國也好柬埔寨我相信我們都是很\n主動但是在處理上的時候因為有些瑕管權而且有些涉及安全的問題所以我想如果有個案\n委員可以提供給我們我們來檢討看哪裡還可以再改變但是也可能這個對面支持我們也是會加以了解可是我們外交部還是沒有辦法給予很實質上的一個援助那我想因為時間有限有沒有辦法在這邊再跟部長做詳細的討論我們希望我在這邊提出來這個議題是希望就是說這個個案非常的明確然後這個就是家屬他也把他的媽媽\n就是想盡辦法就離KK園區了我們希望外交部能夠在緬甸那邊就是在柬埔寨那邊能夠尋求相關的民間資源趕快把他的媽媽能夠帶到安全的地方協助他返國\n好 謝謝我們的林部長接下來我想就我們工地放嶺的政策來請教院長我們知道我們國家我們的工地放嶺政策自從1948年開始就有辦理這樣子的一個政策後來是因為921跟這個桃枝颱風\n重創台灣所以基於國土保育以及國土保安及復育的政策所以這個工地放年政策從2008年就停辦了一直到現在可是我們也看到之前應該也是最近\n應該是去年前年就是也有針對宜蘭縣的蘇澳鎮朝陽里的大蘭澳地區80公頃這個台拓地要重啟工地放寧的一個政策因為這個新聞都有報導所以我們地方的鄉親在我們彰化縣包括社同還有包括這個方苑地區很多就是在工地上耕作的農民事實上他們在這個地方也都耕作四五十年以上了所以他們也很\n期盼說是不是也可以在就是說彰化縣也可以啟動這個工地放寧的一個政策是行政院在\n認為這是一個歷史轉型正義跟土地正義的問題如果在不妨礙到國土的保安保育以及公共安全的情況底下在有條件滿足的情況底下我們願意來思考所以從大南澳的台拓地先行試辦那這個試辦的過程以及現在的執行情況內政部一直在掌握當中那如果這個試辦可以在滿足相關的條件之後我們是依照這個條件\n或是在這個條件基礎上著與考慮其他的更多的方式加進來那這個會是後續接下來做的如果可以請部長來說明一下我可不可以補充說明一下謝謝陳委員的關心那院長有指示沒有錯在5月6號的時候已經有條件的放領國有的平地耕地\n現在內政部去盤點包括山坡地放嶺跟平地耕地放嶺這兩件有關放嶺條件也就是說在山坡地範圍內的農牧用地以及平地耕地放嶺的農牧用地彰化縣政府確實有一些農民他是屬於這個範圍我們現在盤點出來在彰化的部分跟平地耕地放嶺\n大概有331筆總共的面積是58.6公頃那山坡地的農牧用地大概是40筆總共是6公頃那未來立委所關心的這個部分如果在我們現在全部去整理出來在法令依據上面沒有問題的話\n我們會優先來根據這個院長的指示來做這方面的辦理但是法令的依據要回顧過去三次裡面為什麼會停止辦理的狀況要需要再跟包括財政部或是國有財產署做最後的確認\n我們知道工地當然有不同的類型有保安林地或者是林地或者是一般的農地在我的選區裡面社頭它本來是屬於保安林地後來它也劃出了已由國產署在管理所以希望再考慮到沒有國土保安及保育的問題\n的這個限制之外我們可以考慮來啟動這個工地放零的政策報告陳委員我會補充一下有關山坡地範圍內的林業用地目前大概沒有包括在放零的範圍內那還有包括剛剛院長所指示的如果你牽涉到國土保安保育或者是公共安全的這些前提之下那\n院裡頭大概不會贊成有這樣子的條件所以我們要把這三個條件全部滿足之後才能朝著未來法律依據許可的狀況之下繼續往前來執行跟推動\n是 好 那當然就是我們政府在針對這個政策會有條件的一個考量那希望符合的區域就是方院的這個部分是應該是一般農地那希望就是說就符合條件的部分我們可以來儘快的一個啟動是好 謝謝部長謝謝那接下來我想請教就是有關經濟的一個議題那請我們劉部長請回\n我想最近幾天這個股市的表現非常的耀眼在10月20號我們台股又創新高達到27688.63點那台積電的盤中股價高達1495元我們的外匯存底也破了6000億美元那在我們今年的人均GDP也超越了南韓應該達到應該有4萬美元\n可是這些亮眼的數字我想可能也是我們中央政府對外在宣傳的時候非常引以自豪的可是我們要去思考說在這樣子的一個武士的一個亮眼的表現之外我們的台灣的經濟是真的就是真的是這麼好嗎我們要去好好的一個思考想先請教一下部長的看法\n整體面來講還是非常好的趨勢當然有一些傳統性的產業它受到的事實上是不只對等關稅的影響主要的原因還是過去這幾年因為中國它低價傾銷\n在國際市場上使得我們包括可能傳統性的產業包括機械業或者是像塑膠的製品可能會受到一些影響我們現在當然也極力的透過特別預算來支持他們編了大概460億元來全力這個錢絕大部分是用在傳統產業跟中小微的企業身上\n事實上在關稅我們知道因為今天也有委員都關心到關稅的衝擊對美國關稅的影響真的對於傳統產業是雪上加霜因為在美國對等關稅之前事實上我們台灣的傳統產業就已經非常的艱困\n而且對於我們國家的一個政策對於科技業跟傳統產業本來就有不同的一個措施所以導致好的越來越好傳統產業是越來越困難所以我們今天要講的就是說在股市的一個這樣子的一個創新高的狀況之下我們要去考量到很多傳統產業他們所面臨的一個困境應該要一同兼顧\n這樣子才是真正的好我們事實上有兩個方式來支持我們的傳統產業第一個就是說因為我們要是跟中國拼價格大概是沒有辦法拼但是我們可以跟他拼品質還有我們的認證在特殊領域裡面這個是我們很厲害的\n為什麼在轉型跟升級方面我們大概投入兩百多億會來做這樣的支持而且也成立著輔導團主動的要輔導這些傳統產業另外一個就是說我們都知道說這一次的電子業是受惠於AI的成長\n我們現在要做的就是院長指示的要把這個AI的技術導入到百工百業讓這個百工百業都因為AI的發展而受惠他們也可以因為AI的發展而發展他們不管是升級也好或轉型也好或者受益這個也是我們要做的就是把這個普遍性把它做出來\n我要講的是說其實在對等關稅之前傳統產業就非常的堅固因為主要就是說過去以來我們中央政府對於科技業這個獎勵投資跟研發的投資的一個獎勵\n就是比這個傳統產業更加的優惠那對傳統產業來說雖然在應該2023年我們把那個門檻就是取消之後就是這個研發的一個底檢取消之後還有這個\n設備投資的這個低減油把那個門檻稍微放寬之外可是對於整個傳統產業來說他們還是非常的一個困難所以我們是不是可以針對尤其在這個對等關稅的衝擊之後這個無薪假的一個狀況真的越來越多所以對於整個基層的\n很多民眾真的也是非常的叫苦連天尤其又遇到很多的物價上漲的問題所以我們是不是就是說可以除了科技業它當然目前是一個非常好的狀況之外我們對於傳統產業我們是不是可以從\n租稅優惠這個部分去考慮怎樣來鼓勵然後讓我們的這個中小企業能夠得到更多一個幫助雖然說我們在任性的這個特別預算裡面有這個就是有一些的補助包括就是貸款等等的\n那我們是不是可以針對這個減稅的部分因為我在地方拜訪的時候很多傳統的產業他們是希望說能夠比照疫情期間給予一些減稅的一個優惠措施讓他們可以度過這樣子的一個衝擊跟難關是不是可以請部長\n巴委員現在我們對於這些傳統產業的支持剛剛提到就是說事實上院長在特別預算裡面特別提到的就是說如果這個企業在研發的過程當中導入太舊換新的機器設備的話這個是我們有補助的最高可以補助到50%\n而且他這個就是這個導入只要他智慧化的過程事實上是可以減稅的是可以補稅的跟委員報告總統總統在雙十的講話當中提到不只要有好數字要讓人民過好日子而且如果今天沒有受到\n好 謝謝陳樹越委員質詢謝謝左院長各相關部會首長備詢 謝謝各位現在一場二樓旁聽了來自台北市李孝禮的朋友們我們掌聲歡迎各位\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:08.133 --> 00:15.623\n謝謝院長請院長邀請行政院左院長還有外交部麻煩再請左院長外交部長備詢陳委員好\n\n00:26.394 --> 00:42.589\n院長早部長早安首先本席先就就是說在9月11號10號左右我們有看到新聞有報導就是說在尼泊爾有發生暴動\n\n00:43.810 --> 01:00.088\n事後就有新聞報導說我們的民眾致電外交部應該是印度的辦事處要求助結果遭冷回我覺得看到這樣子的新聞報導我覺得對我們國家的外交部的形象不是很好吳小部長對這個事件\n\n01:03.493 --> 01:22.245\n因為基本上我們在尼泊爾並沒有派出我們的代表處是由轄管所以這個聯繫上當然如果是我們同仁接到任何的急難救助或者是需要協助的\n\n01:23.291 --> 01:44.129\n我們都一代的要求一定要立即來辦理因為恩尼伯當時在暴動的情況是很混亂所以這個情形並不是一般常態的代表處理不過我相信我們的同仁在第一線第一時間應該都是很認真在處理\n\n01:45.780 --> 02:09.300\n我們知道說我們國家的外交處境真的是非常的艱難畢竟我們在很多的地方沒有實際的邦交辦事處應該也都行之有年了應該在地方也都會建立相關的人脈所以在國人遇到急難的時候我們應該要盡力給予協助本席在最近又有一件民眾的陳情\n\n02:11.542 --> 02:35.321\n那事實上這個陳情是從去年就開始了就是一件就是國人被誘騙到中國然後又被偷渡到緬甸的一個就是詐騙的案子那他被騙至這個緬甸之後就是被騙到這個KK園區去結果就是被限制這個行動自由嘛被關在那邊從事這個詐騙的一個行為\n\n02:36.909 --> 03:02.527\n家屬在知道他被騙至中國的時候事實上他那時候就有求助了那我們也透過就是說希望透過警政署外交部能夠趕快攔截把他營救回來可是都沒有辦法上例所以在經過一年的時間之後他的家屬也是費盡千辛萬苦透過各種關係也付了贖金就是兩萬美元的這個贖金那最近\n\n03:04.247 --> 03:30.493\n就是他這個媽媽把他救出來在離園區附近的一個地方那他也因為目前他也沒有任何的一個身份的資料就是護照都沒有所以他也再次的一個求助可是我們的外交的就是在金邊的辦事處的外交人員的回覆是要他自行想辦法移動到金邊這邊\n\n03:33.233 --> 04:01.083\n我們的這個住外單位才能夠給予協助可是我覺得說在這樣子的一個協助的回復的時候我覺得好像有回跟沒有回是一樣的對於這個家屬毫無幫助我跟委員報告我們已經營救大概上百位被這個所謂不管是自動的或脅迫的到這個所謂的KK這個園區等等因為這個樣態很多包括有三分之一左右是有前科\n\n04:01.883 --> 04:22.195\n有一些是自動去的有一些是被迫的所以在每一個情形之下我們必須判定而且我們在營救的過程包括跟警政署我們都有這些法務警政的秘書在我們的外館所以不管是緬甸也好泰國也好柬埔寨我相信我們都是很\n\n04:23.246 --> 04:31.756\n主動但是在處理上的時候因為有些瑕管權而且有些涉及安全的問題所以我想如果有個案\n\n04:32.801 --> 05:00.555\n委員可以提供給我們我們來檢討看哪裡還可以再改變但是也可能這個對面支持我們也是會加以了解可是我們外交部還是沒有辦法給予很實質上的一個援助那我想因為時間有限有沒有辦法在這邊再跟部長做詳細的討論我們希望我在這邊提出來這個議題是希望就是說這個個案非常的明確然後這個就是家屬他也把他的媽媽\n\n05:01.696 --> 05:18.796\n就是想盡辦法就離KK園區了我們希望外交部能夠在緬甸那邊就是在柬埔寨那邊能夠尋求相關的民間資源趕快把他的媽媽能夠帶到安全的地方協助他返國\n\n05:19.757 --> 05:37.493\n好謝謝我們的林部長接下來我想就我們工地放嶺的政策來請教院長我們知道我們國家我們的工地放嶺政策自從1948年開始就有辦理這樣子的一個政策後來是因為921跟這個桃枝颱風\n\n05:38.935 --> 05:54.737\n重創台灣所以基於國土保育以及國土保安及復育的政策所以這個工地放年政策從2008年就停辦了一直到現在可是我們也看到之前應該也是最近\n\n05:55.858 --> 06:24.981\n應該是去年前年就是也有針對宜蘭縣的蘇澳鎮朝陽里的大蘭澳地區80公頃這個台拓地要重啟工地放寧的一個政策因為這個新聞都有報導所以我們地方的鄉親在我們彰化縣包括社同還有包括這個方苑地區很多就是在工地上耕作的農民事實上他們在這個地方也都耕作四五十年以上了所以他們也很\n\n06:25.561 --> 06:34.860\n期盼說是不是也可以在就是說彰化縣也可以啟動這個工地放寧的一個政策是行政院在\n\n06:36.811 --> 07:02.770\n認為這是一個歷史轉型正義跟土地正義的問題如果在不妨礙到國土的保安保育以及公共安全的情況底下在有條件滿足的情況底下我們願意來思考所以從大南澳的台拓地先行試辦那這個試辦的過程以及現在的執行情況內政部一直在掌握當中那如果這個試辦可以在滿足相關的條件之後我們是依照這個條件\n\n07:03.590 --> 07:22.385\n或是在這個條件基礎上著與考慮其他的更多的方式加進來那這個會是後續接下來做的如果可以請部長來說明一下我可不可以補充說明一下謝謝陳委員的關心那院長有指示沒有錯在5月6號的時候已經有條件的放領國有的平地耕地\n\n07:23.205 --> 07:46.397\n現在內政部去盤點包括山坡地放嶺跟平地耕地放嶺這兩件有關放嶺條件也就是說在山坡地範圍內的農牧用地以及平地耕地放嶺的農牧用地彰化縣政府確實有一些農民他是屬於這個範圍我們現在盤點出來在彰化的部分跟平地耕地放嶺\n\n07:47.517 --> 08:03.568\n大概有331筆總共的面積是58.6公頃那山坡地的農牧用地大概是40筆總共是6公頃那未來立委所關心的這個部分如果在我們現在全部去整理出來在法令依據上面沒有問題的話\n\n08:04.649 --> 08:19.956\n我們會優先來根據這個院長的指示來做這方面的辦理但是法令的依據要回顧過去三次裡面為什麼會停止辦理的狀況要需要再跟包括財政部或是國有財產署做最後的確認\n\n08:21.349 --> 08:42.867\n我們知道工地當然有不同的類型有保安林地或者是林地或者是一般的農地在我的選區裡面社頭它本來是屬於保安林地後來它也劃出了已由國產署在管理所以希望再考慮到沒有國土保安及保育的問題\n\n08:43.707 --> 09:05.558\n的這個限制之外我們可以考慮來啟動這個工地放零的政策報告陳委員我會補充一下有關山坡地範圍內的林業用地目前大概沒有包括在放零的範圍內那還有包括剛剛院長所指示的如果你牽涉到國土保安保育或者是公共安全的這些前提之下那\n\n09:06.218 --> 09:18.321\n院裡頭大概不會贊成有這樣子的條件所以我們要把這三個條件全部滿足之後才能朝著未來法律依據許可的狀況之下繼續往前來執行跟推動\n\n09:19.349 --> 09:41.380\n是好那當然就是我們政府在針對這個政策會有條件的一個考量那希望符合的區域就是方院的這個部分是應該是一般農地那希望就是說就符合條件的部分我們可以來儘快的一個啟動是好謝謝部長謝謝那接下來我想請教就是有關經濟的一個議題那請我們劉部長請回\n\n09:46.527 --> 10:11.764\n我想最近幾天這個股市的表現非常的耀眼在10月20號我們台股又創新高達到27688.63點那台積電的盤中股價高達1495元我們的外匯存底也破了6000億美元那在我們今年的人均GDP也超越了南韓應該達到應該有4萬美元\n\n10:12.847 --> 10:38.901\n可是這些亮眼的數字我想可能也是我們中央政府對外在宣傳的時候非常引以自豪的可是我們要去思考說在這樣子的一個武士的一個亮眼的表現之外我們的台灣的經濟是真的就是真的是這麼好嗎我們要去好好的一個思考想先請教一下部長的看法\n\n10:39.811 --> 10:53.647\n整體面來講還是非常好的趨勢當然有一些傳統性的產業它受到的事實上是不只對等關稅的影響主要的原因還是過去這幾年因為中國它低價傾銷\n\n10:55.489 --> 11:20.014\n在國際市場上使得我們包括可能傳統性的產業包括機械業或者是像塑膠的製品可能會受到一些影響我們現在當然也極力的透過特別預算來支持他們編了大概460億元來全力這個錢絕大部分是用在傳統產業跟中小微的企業身上\n\n11:21.394 --> 11:40.883\n事實上在關稅我們知道因為今天也有委員都關心到關稅的衝擊對美國關稅的影響真的對於傳統產業是雪上加霜因為在美國對等關稅之前事實上我們台灣的傳統產業就已經非常的艱困\n\n11:44.825 --> 12:12.526\n而且對於我們國家的一個政策對於科技業跟傳統產業本來就有不同的一個措施所以導致好的越來越好傳統產業是越來越困難所以我們今天要講的就是說在股市的一個這樣子的一個創新高的狀況之下我們要去考量到很多傳統產業他們所面臨的一個困境應該要一同兼顧\n\n12:13.506 --> 12:30.985\n這樣子才是真正的好我們事實上有兩個方式來支持我們的傳統產業第一個就是說因為我們要是跟中國拼價格大概是沒有辦法拼但是我們可以跟他拼品質還有我們的認證在特殊領域裡面這個是我們很厲害的\n\n12:32.247 --> 12:47.289\n為什麼在轉型跟升級方面我們大概投入兩百多億會來做這樣的支持而且也成立著輔導團主動的要輔導這些傳統產業另外一個就是說我們都知道說這一次的電子業是受惠於AI的成長\n\n12:48.050 --> 13:08.191\n我們現在要做的就是院長指示的要把這個AI的技術導入到百工百業讓這個百工百業都因為AI的發展而受惠他們也可以因為AI的發展而發展他們不管是升級也好或轉型也好或者受益這個也是我們要做的就是把這個普遍性把它做出來\n\n13:10.695 --> 13:23.509\n我要講的是說其實在對等關稅之前傳統產業就非常的堅固因為主要就是說過去以來我們中央政府對於科技業這個獎勵投資跟研發的投資的一個獎勵\n\n13:25.290 --> 13:39.415\n就是比這個傳統產業更加的優惠那對傳統產業來說雖然在應該2023年我們把那個門檻就是取消之後就是這個研發的一個底檢取消之後還有這個\n\n13:40.656 --> 13:59.809\n設備投資的這個低減油把那個門檻稍微放寬之外可是對於整個傳統產業來說他們還是非常的一個困難所以我們是不是可以針對尤其在這個對等關稅的衝擊之後這個無薪假的一個狀況真的越來越多所以對於整個基層的\n\n14:00.249 --> 14:16.146\n很多民眾真的也是非常的叫苦連天尤其又遇到很多的物價上漲的問題所以我們是不是就是說可以除了科技業它當然目前是一個非常好的狀況之外我們對於傳統產業我們是不是可以從\n\n14:19.928 --> 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謝謝部長謝謝那接下來我想請教就是有關經濟的一個議題那請我們劉部長請回"},{"start":586.527,"end":611.764,"text":"我想最近幾天這個股市的表現非常的耀眼在10月20號我們台股又創新高達到27688.63點那台積電的盤中股價高達1495元我們的外匯存底也破了6000億美元那在我們今年的人均GDP也超越了南韓應該達到應該有4萬美元"},{"start":612.847,"end":638.901,"text":"可是這些亮眼的數字我想可能也是我們中央政府對外在宣傳的時候非常引以自豪的可是我們要去思考說在這樣子的一個武士的一個亮眼的表現之外我們的台灣的經濟是真的就是真的是這麼好嗎我們要去好好的一個思考想先請教一下部長的看法"},{"start":639.811,"end":653.647,"text":"整體面來講還是非常好的趨勢當然有一些傳統性的產業它受到的事實上是不只對等關稅的影響主要的原因還是過去這幾年因為中國它低價傾銷"},{"start":655.489,"end":680.014,"text":"在國際市場上使得我們包括可能傳統性的產業包括機械業或者是像塑膠的製品可能會受到一些影響我們現在當然也極力的透過特別預算來支持他們編了大概460億元來全力這個錢絕大部分是用在傳統產業跟中小微的企業身上"},{"start":681.394,"end":700.883,"text":"事實上在關稅我們知道因為今天也有委員都關心到關稅的衝擊對美國關稅的影響真的對於傳統產業是雪上加霜因為在美國對等關稅之前事實上我們台灣的傳統產業就已經非常的艱困"},{"start":704.825,"end":732.526,"text":"而且對於我們國家的一個政策對於科技業跟傳統產業本來就有不同的一個措施所以導致好的越來越好傳統產業是越來越困難所以我們今天要講的就是說在股市的一個這樣子的一個創新高的狀況之下我們要去考量到很多傳統產業他們所面臨的一個困境應該要一同兼顧"},{"start":733.506,"end":750.985,"text":"這樣子才是真正的好我們事實上有兩個方式來支持我們的傳統產業第一個就是說因為我們要是跟中國拼價格大概是沒有辦法拼但是我們可以跟他拼品質還有我們的認證在特殊領域裡面這個是我們很厲害的"},{"start":752.247,"end":767.289,"text":"為什麼在轉型跟升級方面我們大概投入兩百多億會來做這樣的支持而且也成立著輔導團主動的要輔導這些傳統產業另外一個就是說我們都知道說這一次的電子業是受惠於AI的成長"},{"start":768.05,"end":788.191,"text":"我們現在要做的就是院長指示的要把這個AI的技術導入到百工百業讓這個百工百業都因為AI的發展而受惠他們也可以因為AI的發展而發展他們不管是升級也好或轉型也好或者受益這個也是我們要做的就是把這個普遍性把它做出來"},{"start":790.695,"end":803.509,"text":"我要講的是說其實在對等關稅之前傳統產業就非常的堅固因為主要就是說過去以來我們中央政府對於科技業這個獎勵投資跟研發的投資的一個獎勵"},{"start":805.29,"end":819.415,"text":"就是比這個傳統產業更加的優惠那對傳統產業來說雖然在應該2023年我們把那個門檻就是取消之後就是這個研發的一個底檢取消之後還有這個"},{"start":820.656,"end":839.809,"text":"設備投資的這個低減油把那個門檻稍微放寬之外可是對於整個傳統產業來說他們還是非常的一個困難所以我們是不是可以針對尤其在這個對等關稅的衝擊之後這個無薪假的一個狀況真的越來越多所以對於整個基層的"},{"start":840.249,"end":856.146,"text":"很多民眾真的也是非常的叫苦連天尤其又遇到很多的物價上漲的問題所以我們是不是就是說可以除了科技業它當然目前是一個非常好的狀況之外我們對於傳統產業我們是不是可以從"},{"start":859.928,"end":875.161,"text":"租稅優惠這個部分去考慮怎樣來鼓勵然後讓我們的這個中小企業能夠得到更多一個幫助雖然說我們在任性的這個特別預算裡面有這個就是有一些的補助包括就是貸款等等的"},{"start":875.521,"end":890.284,"text":"那我們是不是可以針對這個減稅的部分因為我在地方拜訪的時候很多傳統的產業他們是希望說能夠比照疫情期間給予一些減稅的一個優惠措施讓他們可以度過這樣子的一個衝擊跟難關是不是可以請部長"},{"start":891.309,"end":908.461,"text":"巴委員現在我們對於這些傳統產業的支持剛剛提到就是說事實上院長在特別預算裡面特別提到的就是說如果這個企業在研發的過程當中導入太舊換新的機器設備的話這個是我們有補助的最高可以補助到50%"},{"start":909.602,"end":929.016,"text":"而且他這個就是這個導入只要他智慧化的過程事實上是可以減稅的是可以補稅的跟委員報告總統總統在雙十的講話當中提到不只要有好數字要讓人民過好日子而且如果今天沒有受到"},{"start":947.244,"end":960.699,"text":"好 謝謝陳樹越委員質詢謝謝左院長各相關部會首長備詢 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to Taipei！","接下來我們請王育敏委員質詢，在王委員質詢之後，我們將會休息10分鐘，在10分鐘之後，請伍麗華委員準備質詢。","現在請王育敏委員。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":462,"meet_id":"院會-11-4-5","speakers":["韓國瑜","蔡其昌","洪孟楷","陳素月","王育敏","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe","蘇清泉","張宏陸","邱鎮軍","吳沛憶","馬文君","廖偉翔","林月琴","游顥"],"page_start":373,"meetingDate":["2025-10-21"],"gazette_id":"1148002","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1148002_00006","1148002_00007"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第4會期第5次會議紀錄","content":"施政質詢\n對行政院院長施政報告繼續質詢─繼續質詢─","agenda_id":"1148002_00005"}}}