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00:01:36,625\n好那沒關係那想跟院長還是再次就是提醒就是在去年的時候那時候你還沒就在以前在之前的院長其實也有在總諮詢的時候也有宣誓那希望這個假訊息委員會要做一個成立啊那我相信其實部長那其實也都有在這個NGO相關的一些團體還有在做一些溝通\n\n5\n00:01:37,285 --> 00:01:51,426\n那本席在這裡就直接明確的請教院長這個假學習委員會未來的規劃是會一樣持續朝著成立的方向來去進行還是說這個部分還是未定之天\n\n6\n00:01:51,994 --> 00:02:14,606\n在強化現有機制的情況底下如果現有機制沒有辦法來有效遏止的話那朝向一個組織來形成這個是必要的那速發部已經有相當多的包括我們現在的這個新的法律都在手我們可以可不可以做一樣強而有力的管制速發部要不要說明一下目前總部跟委員報告就如同剛剛我們院長所說的那個\n\n7\n00:02:16,047 --> 00:02:29,224\n台灣是一個自由民主法治的國家在我們這樣的國家裡面訊息的真假不應該由政府來判斷由政府來判斷的話通常反而會造成更多的紛擾所以我們在\n\n8\n00:02:30,445 --> 00:02:58,620\n看到世界各民主國家通常是透過NGO來判斷這個訊息的真假那當然我們知道說NGO在處理這個假訊息的時候他通常限於他的能量還有作業速度所以他每個禮拜他能處理的訊息量有限所以我們速發部現在的做法就是想辦法來幫助這些NGO我們當然不是NGO不能直接給他補助但是我們想辦法幫他募款或舉例來講\n\n9\n00:02:59,881 --> 00:03:28,909\n那沒關係部長因為時間有限那我也知道您是非常的專業了解相關的進度啦那本席還是延續這個部分要表示的是第一T-talk的部分來講該治標還不是是應該要治本所以說T-talk的訊息不管怎麼樣回歸到假訊息委員會才是能夠根本來解決目前在社會網路所會充斥的各種錯誤訊息啊所以說我覺得標重要本也重要\n\n10\n00:03:29,229 --> 00:03:49,845\n那在假訊息委員會我後續持續再跟部長在委員會再持續討論沒關係但是至少過去行政院有提到要成立假訊息委員會的一個進程那目前的時間上來講確實有嚴重delay那我們後面來看如何來做完善那也謝謝部長那接著我要接著就教院長\n\n11\n00:03:50,586 --> 00:04:08,841\n就是在目前來講大家都很關心的就是光電板的部分那包括龔明星部長也等一下可能會回答到在不管烏山頭水庫農田水圈許多的用水的安全性現在民眾是非常的擔憂那因為之前沒有制定標準\n\n12\n00:04:09,301 --> 00:04:32,499\n所以在水面關電板它沒有環評的一個情況下那時候是有提到說怕廠商不願投資但是現在環境部部長其實也說願意來進行這個環評審查那因為這個部分攸關於這個整個太陽能政策那相關的一個態度那所以本席要在這裡直接請教部長還有經濟部是否支持環境部來進行這個環評審查\n\n13\n00:04:34,919 --> 00:04:52,911\n環境部應該是在所謂敏感的地區還有山坡地現在會不會可能包括制洪池水庫都在研議可能要精真這個環評的機制所以院長是認為是支持這個環境部要做環評審查嗎我要問一下院長跟經濟部的態度\n\n14\n00:04:55,115 --> 00:05:23,895\n對他往這個方向再做一些是不是要增加這個部分程序要怎麼處理環境部是已經表達要環評那經濟部這邊是否會配合對我們會跟環境部來共同討論這樣的議題所以是支持進行審查怎麼樣設計怎麼樣設計一個機制那院長因為現在已經有一些環評的項目是要做的有些啦比如說在\n\n15\n00:05:24,645 --> 00:05:44,431\n自然生態保育區國家公園或者是野生動物保育區特農這些都是要環評如果不用環評事實上現在也是要環社檢核當然有一些環社檢核也許還不夠的情況之下我們再跟環境部討論一下看用什麼樣的形式\n\n16\n00:05:45,291 --> 00:05:47,132\n就是可以守住這個環境\n\n17\n00:06:15,311 --> 00:06:42,241\n好沒問題因為本席當然也是認為能源政策的重要但是同樣的用水安全以及環評審查還有共識跟禁毒那同樣的那也延續今天有提到監察院寫到的七項光電的缺失那其中光電回饋已經不夠透明的部分那本席要直接就教行政院跟經濟部要如何改善以及不透明的方向方面以及未來後續如何做公開\n\n18\n00:06:44,031 --> 00:07:01,898\n對我們也會重新考慮啦至少就是說讓這些雙方的回饋金有一個比較透明的類似公式也好或是怎麼樣一個機制一個考量的因素在裡面不會這個是用喊價式的方式要如何公開會公開在哪裡\n\n19\n00:07:02,965 --> 00:07:29,587\n對我們會就是兩兆我們都會把我們的公司如果會分成兩個階段第一個階段他們當然會彼此去溝通如果可以有一個deal那我們當然是尊重如果不能夠deal我們會介入說我們的原則會是這樣大家考量的原則會是這樣子那騎乘上進度大約多久會讓民眾看到這樣子的一個改善的一個成果我們盡快來提出\n\n20\n00:07:31,618 --> 00:07:59,574\n那再來因為這個部分會持續追蹤所以我不在這邊繼續追問那接著的話也謝謝兩位部長那接著我要請教一下法務部長那在目前來講網路上最近最熱烈討論的就是這個散兵的部分那包括他們被抓到之後他們也有刑責那很多都是直接認罪那網路上我們也看到有律師說這些所謂的逃兵散兵不管藝人與否應該要來去做自首\n\n21\n00:08:00,694 --> 00:08:24,767\n來去換取任何刑責的減刑但是本席想要就教一下政部長還甚至國防部的顧部長在這些被抓到閃兵的人之後他們可能因為有沒有可能因為犯案態度良好或是主動投案或是自首會有可能會有減刑這個應該說自首要件的部分是否會適用於逃兵\n\n22\n00:08:27,088 --> 00:08:47,143\n這個跟我們報告因為現在個案是在新北地檢署在偵辦中那當然按照刑法的規定自首的話是得檢可以得檢清起刑那但是案件會不會成立那還要看證據來做一個處理因為這個裡面有涉及到妨礙兵役跟偽造文書的一個問題那第一批的\n\n23\n00:08:47,999 --> 00:09:07,664\n偵辦的對象都已經起訴而且檢察官也做一個具體求刑那後來這些自首的那有沒有就想說到那個檢察官或者是法官有沒有會考慮到自首的這種的一個法律上的優惠那我想我們尊重偵辦的法官跟檢察官的一些的職權的一個認定\n\n24\n00:09:08,120 --> 00:09:35,681\n那目前的話有哪些管道可以讓他來自首以及如何來鼓勵自首那當然說如何來面對這個其他正常當兵的人會感覺到不公平以及相對這個整個差異嘛當然說私房資源不應該是浪費在就是處理這個逃兵嘛那因為應該用於詐欺販毒更立即傷害危險的這種案子那我想問一下這個管道上以及在這個態度上我想是不是來請法務部長來再簡短的說明一下\n\n25\n00:09:37,135 --> 00:09:52,635\n凡是跟有偵查職權的人的這些公務員來自首來自首他自己的一個犯刑一個逃兵、一個閃兵的犯刑我想就可以達到自首的法律上的一個效果了\n\n26\n00:09:53,339 --> 00:10:11,797\n好那沒關係那這個本席還是在這裡也是呼籲啊其實當兵是義務那當然說任何的逃兵閃兵本來就不應該那在任何的管道上還能夠呼籲跟強化這個服兵義務的觀念那也有請這法務部長跟國防部長能夠持續加強\n\n27\n00:10:13,419 --> 00:10:34,331\n謝謝那再來剛才延續著我們廖偉祥委員惠環昭委所提到外送員專法的部分那勞動部長應該也在等著一起就是想請教一下院長跟部長那尤其是院長這個外送員專法那其實也很早之前就一直被討論\n\n28\n00:10:35,271 --> 00:10:52,354\n那過去本席在擔任議員期間其實也在南投縣議會也提出過這個外送平台的一個自治條例目前有六個縣市都有那目前對於專法院長是否表態支持先請院長跟委員說明\n\n29\n00:10:53,443 --> 00:11:18,622\n其實現在行政團隊已經透過跨部會的方式來做整合性的行政指引包括交通部包括勞動部跟幾個相關部會我們都在進行當然我們其實也做了幾輪的檢討對於現在包括朝野的黨團都有提出外送的專法這樣子的倡議也包括有些相關的提案我想勞動部我們是很願意用一個開放的態度\n\n30\n00:11:19,142 --> 00:11:20,786\n我們現在有一個指引交通部有訂一個指引那主管機關訂\n\n31\n00:11:30,733 --> 00:11:58,158\n那勞動部對於外送員本身的權益它必須要強化那如果現在把它強化之後要變成一個專法我們並沒有拒絕或排斥但是必須要在成熟完備它很多法制上的作業那目前我們跨部會正在進行這樣的一個工作那我知道大院裡面多位委員跟草委黨團都有提出我們願意現在趕快加速來一方面有機會參酌委員的意見把它弄成一個更完備的一個法制過程\n\n32\n00:11:59,386 --> 00:12:13,327\n那所以說部長的話你也是對於外送員專法部長也是持保留態度嗎我嗎當然是啊我沒有持保留態度啊我是說我用開放的態度在面對這個專法會不會提出願版\n\n33\n00:12:14,715 --> 00:12:32,566\n就像剛剛其實院長說因為這涉及到跨部會的一些權責所以我們對於法制化的工作其實這幾個月已經做相關的研擬但是當然進到最後的階段可是因為行政部門的版本通常是需要一定的法制作業部長這個其實我都清楚\n\n34\n00:12:33,126 --> 00:12:58,394\n那其實在西班牙也有歧視法義大利也有外送員保護條款德國也有準勞工的概念那當然說這跟交通部長也有相關可是其實在過去勞動部長何沛山他其實就已經提出表達他要提出這個勞動部來送出的專法那院版的版本那何沛山至今也已經過了一年多那其實勞動部裡面早也有資料\n\n35\n00:12:58,934 --> 00:13:17,108\n那所以我是直接要就叫部內會不會提出院版來送因為這個部分有關的是行政院或行政部門的態度陳部長來說明好跟委員報告齁這個部分其實我們行政院也有指定交通部作為治理機關那我們準備要出一個整合性的指引\n\n36\n00:13:17,888 --> 00:13:42,490\n不是只有針對勞動條件因為跨的部會其實蠻多的我們需要一個整合性的執引我們大概在10月底會提出我們的草案整合性執引的草案11月我們會把利害相關人各方面包含消費者包含外送員包含業者包含地方政府等等大家會來坐在一起來討論這個執引我們希望在12月底之前完成整套的執引\n\n37\n00:13:44,091 --> 00:14:10,069\n那因為這個必須要兼顧僱傭及承攬的相關的這些條件所以說這個回頭來講當然涉及到交通部相關但是同樣的還是會是在勞動部需要來去負責那本席同樣在這裡也是要麻煩到時候要有一個指引之後要有一個院版會較為適宜因為不然任何不管是國民黨團民眾黨團甚至民進黨現在也跟進黨團也跟進要提出版本那任何的版本\n\n38\n00:14:10,709 --> 00:14:31,197\n從立院送的話到時候就有一種可能沒有願板又走向市縣所以到時候大家可能怕白忙一場所以說如果說有願板來講的話我覺得也表示不管是從過去何沛山部長所提到的要來送一個專法的版本到現在來講我覺得對於法治的一個完整性以及對勞工的保障應該是最為好的一個方式\n\n39\n00:14:32,298 --> 00:14:48,656\n好謝謝委員的理解你也看聽到我們現在這幾個月努力的過程但行政院的法治化它的這個程序要必須走的比較多一點時間那部長已經提到了十二月底正在明年一月的時候我們是認為可以有一個完整跟立法院來做討論的時間\n\n40\n00:14:50,478 --> 00:15:14,003\n好謝謝那在沒關係那勞動部長OK謝謝那我想說就讓交通部長就是施凱部長在這邊那本席要接著直接請教一下上次行政院長左院長有來水里的時候有來看我們保甲林地還有那時候的一個整個治水防洪治山防洪的一個部分那在地方上的話那時候有跟\n\n41\n00:15:15,143 --> 00:15:33,366\n院長有提到水裡的台16線19K到25K那這個也有跟部長有提到過那這個需要做一個拓寬的工程那很早之前其實院內跟部內其實都有相關資料那因為這一個的經費需要納到省道改善計劃向下因為他經費大約\n\n42\n00:15:35,709 --> 00:15:57,089\n25億從兩座隧道及五座橋樑那是因為這個攸關到水理跟信義整個安全那一次院長來的時候許縣長也有提出我也有提出那院長有表達說會積極來協助那白旗長在這裡也直接來救教院長是不是這一案還能夠有後續持續的一個省道改善計畫向的一個支持\n\n43\n00:15:57,669 --> 00:15:59,411\n好謝謝部長那也拜託院長支持可以嗎好謝謝那部長OK\n\n44\n00:16:18,210 --> 00:16:44,276\n接著的話就是在南投的部分可能這個需要跟水利署相關還有自來水相關就是在南投的自來水普及率許縣長在上次卓院長來鳥水潭水庫的那次啟用典禮時有提到南投的自來水普及都會來協助來加強因為目前來講南投是偏鄉我們在鳥水潭水庫來做\n\n45\n00:16:45,857 --> 00:17:00,056\n開啟使用之後來協助彰化縣一半的供水但是在於南投的自來水普及的管線跟經費那目前來講確實是還是嚴重不足所以本席在這裡還是要拜託行政院長\n\n46\n00:17:00,797 --> 00:17:19,930\n那南投是非常友善尤其是南投許縣長也非常的來支持許多中央有需要配合的事項但是這個自來水普及率目前來講因為經費上面的一個短缺目前才變成是全國倒數第二的普及率\n\n47\n00:17:20,510 --> 00:17:34,161\n那是不是可以對於自來水補給率部長這邊能夠直接的來協助支持以及放寬自來水沿管評比標準還基準從60萬修正到100萬未來四年有200億的預算投入請部長來做說\n\n48\n00:17:35,382 --> 00:17:54,457\n委員提到的沒有錯我們最高是提到一百萬一般的到八十萬特殊的提高到一百萬那是不是可以針對南投在鳥賊團水庫對南投因為它算是偏遠地區我們會盡量來協助本來就是要用在偏遠地區的好那這個部分就麻煩後續好不好\n\n49\n00:17:55,407 --> 00:18:09,200\n因為最主要是鳥嘴潭我們也是全力的配合包括彰化縣的供水但是如果說在南投縣確實來講也沒有受到照顧的話那本席還是要這裡來表達好我也請部長特別來加速這個事情好謝謝OK\n\n50\n00:18:11,102 --> 00:18:35,953\n最後的話就是在台灣的半導體目前來講不僅是對美的關稅或是包括302條款所以本來台灣的半導體產業都非常的辛苦包括它的許多的成本提高所以現在產業鏈是嚴重的動盪所以想要直接就教一下院長在半導體生態鏈蕭美琴蕭副總所指出的這個產業鏈生態系它到底是指哪些\n\n51\n00:18:38,305 --> 00:18:52,859\n報告委員整個半導體的生態系是從最前端的材料設備開始一直到製造端封裝端到後來的下游的一些所以說穿了蕭副總統的所謂的生態系就是產業鏈\n\n52\n00:18:57,328 --> 00:19:18,024\n不只是產業鏈還包括他的客戶等等一些情況所以就是說台灣的生態體系也是跨國在台灣集結而成的所以就是說我們也希望就是這樣跨國集結的一個完整生態系也可以在其他部分力量延伸到其他的區域去因為\n\n53\n00:19:19,380 --> 00:19:37,378\n因為人家到我們這邊來建構我們一個完整的生態系包括美國的這些應用材料也好或是材料設備也好部長其實你講的本席都理解因為郭志輝前部長他有提到說這些相關的產業類尤其是先進製程是不會過去目前來講\n\n54\n00:19:38,519 --> 00:19:54,219\n最優先會在台灣沒有錯所以說先進製程跟相關技術最先進的所以說能夠依照經濟部產業券權條例第22條嚴格審查以及先進製程他不會外移到海外相關的一個公司或據點最先進的會留在台灣沒有錯\n\n55\n00:19:54,939 --> 00:20:09,995\n希望能夠達到跟流台灣的一個目的因為其實目前來講在許多的媒體跟目前在委員會的質詢大家確實還是一片的驚恐所以說在這個部分網路上我記得今天有提到德工宜山\n\n56\n00:20:10,856 --> 00:20:27,071\n那我相信如果說我們這個護國神山要守住才是正確的那我們要耕留台灣才能夠保住它在整個產業的一個根基我們會保住台灣的護國群山我早上說過山在台灣台灣就是山不會移走好謝謝好謝謝油漢委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n8831\t12312\t謝謝院長 還有請省政院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢游委員好\n23001\t48829\t非常好那剛才延續三位委員所提到的Ttalk那我個人目前來講認為像現在假訊息充斥在網路上尤其是在去年的時候印象中這假訊息委員會還行政院有宣示要來進行成立來打擊這個假訊息跟目前的這網路亂象那想要直接就教一下院長目前假訊息委員會的進度如何\n51069\t70354\t我們是希望結合民間的組織我們像我們這個事實查核的組織或是國際的NGO共同來處理到目前為止到沒有很具體說要成立一個所謂假訊息委員會當然我們知道這個問題非常的嚴重啦但是我們現在現有的機制來做一些有效的處置\n71169\t96625\t好那沒關係那想跟院長還是再次就是提醒就是在去年的時候那時候你還沒就在以前在之前的院長其實也有在總諮詢的時候也有宣誓那希望這個假訊息委員會要做一個成立啊那我相信其實部長那其實也都有在這個NGO相關的一些團體還有在做一些溝通\n97285\t111426\t那本席在這裡就直接明確的請教院長這個假學習委員會未來的規劃是會一樣持續朝著成立的方向來去進行還是說這個部分還是未定之天\n111994\t134606\t在強化現有機制的情況底下如果現有機制沒有辦法來有效遏止的話那朝向一個組織來形成這個是必要的那速發部已經有相當多的包括我們現在的這個新的法律都在手我們可以可不可以做一樣強而有力的管制速發部要不要說明一下目前總部跟委員報告就如同剛剛我們院長所說的那個\n136047\t149224\t台灣是一個自由民主法治的國家在我們這樣的國家裡面訊息的真假不應該由政府來判斷由政府來判斷的話通常反而會造成更多的紛擾所以我們在\n150445\t178620\t看到世界各民主國家通常是透過NGO來判斷這個訊息的真假那當然我們知道說NGO在處理這個假訊息的時候他通常限於他的能量還有作業速度所以他每個禮拜他能處理的訊息量有限所以我們速發部現在的做法就是想辦法來幫助這些NGO我們當然不是NGO不能直接給他補助但是我們想辦法幫他募款或舉例來講\n179881\t208909\t那沒關係部長因為時間有限那我也知道您是非常的專業了解相關的進度啦那本席還是延續這個部分要表示的是第一T-talk的部分來講該治標還不是是應該要治本所以說T-talk的訊息不管怎麼樣回歸到假訊息委員會才是能夠根本來解決目前在社會網路所會充斥的各種錯誤訊息啊所以說我覺得標重要本也重要\n209229\t229845\t那在假訊息委員會我後續持續再跟部長在委員會再持續討論沒關係但是至少過去行政院有提到要成立假訊息委員會的一個進程那目前的時間上來講確實有嚴重delay那我們後面來看如何來做完善那也謝謝部長那接著我要接著就教院長\n230586\t248841\t就是在目前來講大家都很關心的就是光電板的部分那包括龔明星部長也等一下可能會回答到在不管烏山頭水庫 農田水圈許多的用水的安全性現在民眾是非常的擔憂那因為之前沒有制定標準\n249301\t272499\t所以在水面關電板它沒有環評的一個情況下那時候是有提到說怕廠商不願投資但是現在環境部部長其實也說願意來進行這個環評審查那因為這個部分攸關於這個整個太陽能政策那相關的一個態度那所以本席要在這裡直接請教部長還有經濟部是否支持環境部來進行這個環評審查\n274919\t292911\t環境部應該是在所謂敏感的地區還有山坡地現在會不會可能包括制洪池 水庫都在研議可能要精真這個環評的機制所以院長是認為是支持這個環境部要做環評審查嗎我要問一下院長跟經濟部的態度\n295115\t323895\t對 他往這個方向再做一些是不是要增加這個部分程序要怎麼處理環境部是已經表達要環評那經濟部這邊是否會配合對 我們會跟環境部來共同討論這樣的議題所以是支持進行審查怎麼樣設計怎麼樣設計一個機制那院長因為現在已經有一些環評的項目是要做的有些啦 比如說在\n324645\t344431\t自然生態保育區 國家公園或者是野生動物保育區 特農這些都是要環評如果不用環評 事實上現在也是要環社檢核當然有一些環社檢核也許還不夠的情況之下我們再跟環境部討論一下 看用什麼樣的形式\n345291\t347132\t就是可以守住這個環境\n375311\t402241\t好沒問題因為本席當然也是認為能源政策的重要但是同樣的用水安全以及環評審查還有共識跟禁毒那同樣的那也延續今天有提到監察院寫到的七項光電的缺失那其中光電回饋已經不夠透明的部分那本席要直接就教行政院跟經濟部要如何改善以及不透明的方向方面以及未來後續如何做公開\n404031\t421898\t對 我們也會重新考慮啦至少就是說讓這些雙方的回饋金有一個比較透明的類似公式也好或是怎麼樣一個機制一個考量的因素在裡面不會這個是用喊價式的方式要如何公開 會公開在哪裡\n422965\t449587\t對 我們會就是兩兆我們都會把我們的公司如果會分成兩個階段第一個階段他們當然會彼此去溝通如果可以有一個deal那我們當然是尊重如果不能夠deal我們會介入說我們的原則會是這樣大家考量的原則會是這樣子那騎乘上進度大約多久會讓民眾看到這樣子的一個改善的一個成果我們盡快來提出\n451618\t479574\t那再來因為這個部分會持續追蹤所以我不在這邊繼續追問那接著的話也謝謝兩位部長那接著我要請教一下法務部長那在目前來講網路上最近最熱烈討論的就是這個散兵的部分那包括他們被抓到之後他們也有刑責那很多都是直接認罪那網路上我們也看到有律師說這些所謂的逃兵散兵不管藝人與否應該要來去做自首\n480694\t504767\t來去換取任何刑責的減刑但是本席想要就教一下政部長還甚至國防部的顧部長在這些被抓到閃兵的人之後他們可能因為有沒有可能因為犯案態度良好或是主動投案或是自首會有可能會有減刑這個應該說自首要件的部分是否會適用於逃兵\n507088\t527143\t這個跟我們報告因為現在個案是在新北地檢署在偵辦中那當然按照刑法的規定自首的話是得檢可以得檢清起刑那但是案件會不會成立那還要看證據來做一個處理因為這個裡面有涉及到妨礙兵役跟偽造文書的一個問題那第一批的\n527999\t547664\t偵辦的對象都已經起訴而且檢察官也做一個具體求刑那後來這些自首的那有沒有就想說到那個檢察官或者是法官有沒有會考慮到自首的這種的一個法律上的優惠那我想我們尊重偵辦的法官跟檢察官的一些的職權的一個認定\n548120\t575681\t那目前的話有哪些管道可以讓他來自首以及如何來鼓勵自首那當然說如何來面對這個其他正常當兵的人會感覺到不公平以及相對這個整個差異嘛當然說私房資源不應該是浪費在就是處理這個逃兵嘛那因為應該用於詐欺販毒更立即傷害危險的這種案子那我想問一下這個管道上以及在這個態度上我想是不是來請法務部長來再簡短的說明一下\n577135\t592635\t凡是跟有偵查職權的人的這些公務員來自首來自首他自己的一個犯刑一個逃兵、一個閃兵的犯刑我想就可以達到自首的法律上的一個效果了\n593339\t611797\t好 那沒關係 那這個本席還是在這裡也是呼籲啊其實當兵是義務那當然說任何的逃兵閃兵本來就不應該那在任何的管道上還能夠呼籲跟強化這個服兵義務的觀念那也有請這法務部長跟國防部長能夠持續加強\n613419\t634331\t謝謝那再來剛才延續著我們廖偉祥委員 惠環昭委所提到外送員專法的部分那勞動部長應該也在等著一起就是想請教一下院長跟部長那尤其是院長這個外送員專法那其實也很早之前就一直被討論\n635271\t652354\t那過去本席在擔任議員期間其實也在南投縣議會也提出過這個外送平台的一個自治條例目前有六個縣市都有那目前對於專法院長是否表態支持先請院長跟委員說明\n653443\t678622\t其實現在行政團隊已經透過跨部會的方式來做整合性的行政指引包括交通部包括勞動部跟幾個相關部會我們都在進行當然我們其實也做了幾輪的檢討對於現在包括朝野的黨團都有提出外送的專法這樣子的倡議也包括有些相關的提案我想勞動部我們是很願意用一個開放的態度\n679142\t680786\t我們現在有一個指引 交通部有訂一個指引那主管機關訂\n690733\t718158\t那勞動部對於外送員本身的權益它必須要強化那如果現在把它強化之後要變成一個專法我們並沒有拒絕或排斥但是必須要在成熟完備它很多法制上的作業那目前我們跨部會正在進行這樣的一個工作那我知道大院裡面多位委員跟草委黨團都有提出我們願意現在趕快加速來一方面有機會參酌委員的意見把它弄成一個更完備的一個法制過程\n719386\t733327\t那所以說部長的話你也是對於外送員專法部長也是持保留態度嗎我嗎當然是啊我沒有持保留態度啊我是說我用開放的態度在面對這個專法會不會提出願版\n734715\t752566\t就像剛剛其實院長說因為這涉及到跨部會的一些權責所以我們對於法制化的工作其實這幾個月已經做相關的研擬但是當然進到最後的階段可是因為行政部門的版本通常是需要一定的法制作業部長 這個其實我都清楚\n753126\t778394\t那其實在西班牙也有歧視法義大利也有外送員保護條款德國也有準勞工的概念那當然說這跟交通部長也有相關可是其實在過去勞動部長何沛山他其實就已經提出表達他要提出這個勞動部來送出的專法那院版的版本那何沛山至今也已經過了一年多那其實勞動部裡面早也有資料\n778934\t797108\t那所以我是直接要就叫部內會不會提出院版來送因為這個部分有關的是行政院或行政部門的態度陳部長來說明好 跟委員報告齁這個部分其實我們行政院也有指定交通部作為治理機關那我們準備要出一個整合性的指引\n797888\t822490\t不是只有針對勞動條件因為跨的部會其實蠻多的我們需要一個整合性的執引我們大概在10月底會提出我們的草案整合性執引的草案11月我們會把利害相關人各方面包含消費者 包含外送員包含業者 包含地方政府等等大家會來坐在一起來討論這個執引我們希望在12月底之前完成整套的執引\n824091\t850069\t那因為這個必須要兼顧僱傭及承攬的相關的這些條件所以說這個回頭來講當然涉及到交通部相關但是同樣的還是會是在勞動部需要來去負責那本席同樣在這裡也是要麻煩到時候要有一個指引之後要有一個院版會較為適宜因為不然任何不管是國民黨團民眾黨團甚至民進黨現在也跟進黨團也跟進要提出版本那任何的版本\n850709\t871197\t從立院送的話到時候就有一種可能沒有願板又走向市縣所以到時候大家可能怕白忙一場所以說如果說有願板來講的話我覺得也表示不管是從過去何沛山部長所提到的要來送一個專法的版本到現在來講我覺得對於法治的一個完整性以及對勞工的保障應該是最為好的一個方式\n872298\t888656\t好 謝謝委員的理解你也看 聽到我們現在這幾個月努力的過程但行政院的法治化它的這個程序要必須走的比較多一點時間那部長已經提到了十二月底正在明年一月的時候我們是認為可以有一個完整跟立法院來做討論的時間\n890478\t914003\t好 謝謝那在 沒關係那勞動部長OK 謝謝那我想說就讓交通部長就是施凱部長在這邊那本席要接著直接請教一下上次行政院長左院長有來水里的時候有來看我們保甲林地還有那時候的一個整個治水防洪治山防洪的一個部分那在地方上的話那時候有跟\n915143\t933366\t院長有提到水裡的台16線19K到25K那這個也有跟部長有提到過那這個需要做一個拓寬的工程那很早之前其實院內跟部內其實都有相關資料那因為這一個的經費需要納到省道改善計劃向下因為他經費大約\n935709\t957089\t25億從兩座隧道及五座橋樑那是因為這個攸關到水理跟信義整個安全那一次院長來的時候許縣長也有提出我也有提出那院長有表達說會積極來協助那白旗長在這裡也直接來救教院長是不是這一案還能夠有後續持續的一個省道改善計畫向的一個支持\n957669\t959411\t好 謝謝部長那也拜託院長支持可以嗎好 謝謝那部長 OK\n978210\t1004276\t接著的話就是在南投的部分可能這個需要跟水利署相關還有自來水相關就是在南投的自來水普及率許縣長在上次卓院長來鳥水潭水庫的那次啟用典禮時有提到南投的自來水普及都會來協助來加強因為目前來講南投是偏鄉我們在鳥水潭水庫來做\n1005857\t1020056\t開啟使用之後來協助彰化縣一半的供水但是在於南投的自來水普及的管線跟經費那目前來講確實是還是嚴重不足所以本席在這裡還是要拜託行政院長\n1020797\t1039930\t那南投是非常友善尤其是南投許縣長也非常的來支持許多中央有需要配合的事項但是這個自來水普及率目前來講因為經費上面的一個短缺目前才變成是全國倒數第二的普及率\n1040510\t1054161\t那是不是可以對於自來水補給率部長這邊能夠直接的來協助支持以及放寬自來水沿管評比標準還基準從60萬修正到100萬未來四年有200億的預算投入請部長來做說\n1055382\t1074457\t委員提到的沒有錯我們最高是提到一百萬一般的到八十萬特殊的提高到一百萬那是不是可以針對南投在鳥賊團水庫對 南投因為它算是偏遠地區我們會盡量來協助本來就是要用在偏遠地區的好 那這個部分就麻煩後續好不好\n1075407\t1089200\t因為最主要是鳥嘴潭我們也是全力的配合包括彰化縣的供水但是如果說在南投縣確實來講也沒有受到照顧的話那本席還是要這裡來表達好 我也請部長特別來加速這個事情好 謝謝 OK\n1091102\t1115953\t最後的話就是在台灣的半導體目前來講不僅是對美的關稅或是包括302條款所以本來台灣的半導體產業都非常的辛苦包括它的許多的成本提高所以現在產業鏈是嚴重的動盪所以想要直接就教一下院長在半導體生態鏈蕭美琴蕭副總所指出的這個產業鏈生態系它到底是指哪些\n1118305\t1132859\t報告委員整個半導體的生態系是從最前端的材料設備開始一直到製造端 封裝端到後來的下游的一些所以說穿了蕭副總統的所謂的生態系就是產業鏈\n1137328\t1158024\t不只是產業鏈還包括他的客戶等等一些情況所以就是說台灣的生態體系也是跨國在台灣集結而成的所以就是說我們也希望就是這樣跨國集結的一個完整生態系也可以在其他部分力量延伸到其他的區域去因為\n1159380\t1177378\t因為人家到我們這邊來建構我們一個完整的生態系包括美國的這些應用材料也好或是材料設備也好部長其實你講的本席都理解因為郭志輝前部長他有提到說這些相關的產業類尤其是先進製程是不會過去目前來講\n1178519\t1194219\t最優先會在台灣沒有錯所以說先進製程跟相關技術最先進的所以說能夠依照經濟部產業券權條例第22條嚴格審查以及先進製程他不會外移到海外相關的一個公司或據點最先進的會留在台灣沒有錯\n1194939\t1209995\t希望能夠達到跟流台灣的一個目的因為其實目前來講在許多的媒體跟目前在委員會的質詢大家確實還是一片的驚恐所以說在這個部分網路上我記得今天有提到德工宜山\n1210856\t1227071\t那我相信如果說我們這個護國神山要守住才是正確的那我們要耕留台灣才能夠保住它在整個產業的一個根基我們會保住台灣的護國群山我早上說過山在台灣台灣就是山不會移走好 謝謝好 謝謝油漢委員\n","txt":"謝謝院長 還有請省政院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢游委員好\n非常好那剛才延續三位委員所提到的Ttalk那我個人目前來講認為像現在假訊息充斥在網路上尤其是在去年的時候印象中這假訊息委員會還行政院有宣示要來進行成立來打擊這個假訊息跟目前的這網路亂象那想要直接就教一下院長目前假訊息委員會的進度如何\n我們是希望結合民間的組織我們像我們這個事實查核的組織或是國際的NGO共同來處理到目前為止到沒有很具體說要成立一個所謂假訊息委員會當然我們知道這個問題非常的嚴重啦但是我們現在現有的機制來做一些有效的處置\n好那沒關係那想跟院長還是再次就是提醒就是在去年的時候那時候你還沒就在以前在之前的院長其實也有在總諮詢的時候也有宣誓那希望這個假訊息委員會要做一個成立啊那我相信其實部長那其實也都有在這個NGO相關的一些團體還有在做一些溝通\n那本席在這裡就直接明確的請教院長這個假學習委員會未來的規劃是會一樣持續朝著成立的方向來去進行還是說這個部分還是未定之天\n在強化現有機制的情況底下如果現有機制沒有辦法來有效遏止的話那朝向一個組織來形成這個是必要的那速發部已經有相當多的包括我們現在的這個新的法律都在手我們可以可不可以做一樣強而有力的管制速發部要不要說明一下目前總部跟委員報告就如同剛剛我們院長所說的那個\n台灣是一個自由民主法治的國家在我們這樣的國家裡面訊息的真假不應該由政府來判斷由政府來判斷的話通常反而會造成更多的紛擾所以我們在\n看到世界各民主國家通常是透過NGO來判斷這個訊息的真假那當然我們知道說NGO在處理這個假訊息的時候他通常限於他的能量還有作業速度所以他每個禮拜他能處理的訊息量有限所以我們速發部現在的做法就是想辦法來幫助這些NGO我們當然不是NGO不能直接給他補助但是我們想辦法幫他募款或舉例來講\n那沒關係部長因為時間有限那我也知道您是非常的專業了解相關的進度啦那本席還是延續這個部分要表示的是第一T-talk的部分來講該治標還不是是應該要治本所以說T-talk的訊息不管怎麼樣回歸到假訊息委員會才是能夠根本來解決目前在社會網路所會充斥的各種錯誤訊息啊所以說我覺得標重要本也重要\n那在假訊息委員會我後續持續再跟部長在委員會再持續討論沒關係但是至少過去行政院有提到要成立假訊息委員會的一個進程那目前的時間上來講確實有嚴重delay那我們後面來看如何來做完善那也謝謝部長那接著我要接著就教院長\n就是在目前來講大家都很關心的就是光電板的部分那包括龔明星部長也等一下可能會回答到在不管烏山頭水庫 農田水圈許多的用水的安全性現在民眾是非常的擔憂那因為之前沒有制定標準\n所以在水面關電板它沒有環評的一個情況下那時候是有提到說怕廠商不願投資但是現在環境部部長其實也說願意來進行這個環評審查那因為這個部分攸關於這個整個太陽能政策那相關的一個態度那所以本席要在這裡直接請教部長還有經濟部是否支持環境部來進行這個環評審查\n環境部應該是在所謂敏感的地區還有山坡地現在會不會可能包括制洪池 水庫都在研議可能要精真這個環評的機制所以院長是認為是支持這個環境部要做環評審查嗎我要問一下院長跟經濟部的態度\n對 他往這個方向再做一些是不是要增加這個部分程序要怎麼處理環境部是已經表達要環評那經濟部這邊是否會配合對 我們會跟環境部來共同討論這樣的議題所以是支持進行審查怎麼樣設計怎麼樣設計一個機制那院長因為現在已經有一些環評的項目是要做的有些啦 比如說在\n自然生態保育區 國家公園或者是野生動物保育區 特農這些都是要環評如果不用環評 事實上現在也是要環社檢核當然有一些環社檢核也許還不夠的情況之下我們再跟環境部討論一下 看用什麼樣的形式\n就是可以守住這個環境\n好沒問題因為本席當然也是認為能源政策的重要但是同樣的用水安全以及環評審查還有共識跟禁毒那同樣的那也延續今天有提到監察院寫到的七項光電的缺失那其中光電回饋已經不夠透明的部分那本席要直接就教行政院跟經濟部要如何改善以及不透明的方向方面以及未來後續如何做公開\n對 我們也會重新考慮啦至少就是說讓這些雙方的回饋金有一個比較透明的類似公式也好或是怎麼樣一個機制一個考量的因素在裡面不會這個是用喊價式的方式要如何公開 會公開在哪裡\n對 我們會就是兩兆我們都會把我們的公司如果會分成兩個階段第一個階段他們當然會彼此去溝通如果可以有一個deal那我們當然是尊重如果不能夠deal我們會介入說我們的原則會是這樣大家考量的原則會是這樣子那騎乘上進度大約多久會讓民眾看到這樣子的一個改善的一個成果我們盡快來提出\n那再來因為這個部分會持續追蹤所以我不在這邊繼續追問那接著的話也謝謝兩位部長那接著我要請教一下法務部長那在目前來講網路上最近最熱烈討論的就是這個散兵的部分那包括他們被抓到之後他們也有刑責那很多都是直接認罪那網路上我們也看到有律師說這些所謂的逃兵散兵不管藝人與否應該要來去做自首\n來去換取任何刑責的減刑但是本席想要就教一下政部長還甚至國防部的顧部長在這些被抓到閃兵的人之後他們可能因為有沒有可能因為犯案態度良好或是主動投案或是自首會有可能會有減刑這個應該說自首要件的部分是否會適用於逃兵\n這個跟我們報告因為現在個案是在新北地檢署在偵辦中那當然按照刑法的規定自首的話是得檢可以得檢清起刑那但是案件會不會成立那還要看證據來做一個處理因為這個裡面有涉及到妨礙兵役跟偽造文書的一個問題那第一批的\n偵辦的對象都已經起訴而且檢察官也做一個具體求刑那後來這些自首的那有沒有就想說到那個檢察官或者是法官有沒有會考慮到自首的這種的一個法律上的優惠那我想我們尊重偵辦的法官跟檢察官的一些的職權的一個認定\n那目前的話有哪些管道可以讓他來自首以及如何來鼓勵自首那當然說如何來面對這個其他正常當兵的人會感覺到不公平以及相對這個整個差異嘛當然說私房資源不應該是浪費在就是處理這個逃兵嘛那因為應該用於詐欺販毒更立即傷害危險的這種案子那我想問一下這個管道上以及在這個態度上我想是不是來請法務部長來再簡短的說明一下\n凡是跟有偵查職權的人的這些公務員來自首來自首他自己的一個犯刑一個逃兵、一個閃兵的犯刑我想就可以達到自首的法律上的一個效果了\n好 那沒關係 那這個本席還是在這裡也是呼籲啊其實當兵是義務那當然說任何的逃兵閃兵本來就不應該那在任何的管道上還能夠呼籲跟強化這個服兵義務的觀念那也有請這法務部長跟國防部長能夠持續加強\n謝謝那再來剛才延續著我們廖偉祥委員 惠環昭委所提到外送員專法的部分那勞動部長應該也在等著一起就是想請教一下院長跟部長那尤其是院長這個外送員專法那其實也很早之前就一直被討論\n那過去本席在擔任議員期間其實也在南投縣議會也提出過這個外送平台的一個自治條例目前有六個縣市都有那目前對於專法院長是否表態支持先請院長跟委員說明\n其實現在行政團隊已經透過跨部會的方式來做整合性的行政指引包括交通部包括勞動部跟幾個相關部會我們都在進行當然我們其實也做了幾輪的檢討對於現在包括朝野的黨團都有提出外送的專法這樣子的倡議也包括有些相關的提案我想勞動部我們是很願意用一個開放的態度\n我們現在有一個指引 交通部有訂一個指引那主管機關訂\n那勞動部對於外送員本身的權益它必須要強化那如果現在把它強化之後要變成一個專法我們並沒有拒絕或排斥但是必須要在成熟完備它很多法制上的作業那目前我們跨部會正在進行這樣的一個工作那我知道大院裡面多位委員跟草委黨團都有提出我們願意現在趕快加速來一方面有機會參酌委員的意見把它弄成一個更完備的一個法制過程\n那所以說部長的話你也是對於外送員專法部長也是持保留態度嗎我嗎當然是啊我沒有持保留態度啊我是說我用開放的態度在面對這個專法會不會提出願版\n就像剛剛其實院長說因為這涉及到跨部會的一些權責所以我們對於法制化的工作其實這幾個月已經做相關的研擬但是當然進到最後的階段可是因為行政部門的版本通常是需要一定的法制作業部長 這個其實我都清楚\n那其實在西班牙也有歧視法義大利也有外送員保護條款德國也有準勞工的概念那當然說這跟交通部長也有相關可是其實在過去勞動部長何沛山他其實就已經提出表達他要提出這個勞動部來送出的專法那院版的版本那何沛山至今也已經過了一年多那其實勞動部裡面早也有資料\n那所以我是直接要就叫部內會不會提出院版來送因為這個部分有關的是行政院或行政部門的態度陳部長來說明好 跟委員報告齁這個部分其實我們行政院也有指定交通部作為治理機關那我們準備要出一個整合性的指引\n不是只有針對勞動條件因為跨的部會其實蠻多的我們需要一個整合性的執引我們大概在10月底會提出我們的草案整合性執引的草案11月我們會把利害相關人各方面包含消費者 包含外送員包含業者 包含地方政府等等大家會來坐在一起來討論這個執引我們希望在12月底之前完成整套的執引\n那因為這個必須要兼顧僱傭及承攬的相關的這些條件所以說這個回頭來講當然涉及到交通部相關但是同樣的還是會是在勞動部需要來去負責那本席同樣在這裡也是要麻煩到時候要有一個指引之後要有一個院版會較為適宜因為不然任何不管是國民黨團民眾黨團甚至民進黨現在也跟進黨團也跟進要提出版本那任何的版本\n從立院送的話到時候就有一種可能沒有願板又走向市縣所以到時候大家可能怕白忙一場所以說如果說有願板來講的話我覺得也表示不管是從過去何沛山部長所提到的要來送一個專法的版本到現在來講我覺得對於法治的一個完整性以及對勞工的保障應該是最為好的一個方式\n好 謝謝委員的理解你也看 聽到我們現在這幾個月努力的過程但行政院的法治化它的這個程序要必須走的比較多一點時間那部長已經提到了十二月底正在明年一月的時候我們是認為可以有一個完整跟立法院來做討論的時間\n好 謝謝那在 沒關係那勞動部長OK 謝謝那我想說就讓交通部長就是施凱部長在這邊那本席要接著直接請教一下上次行政院長左院長有來水里的時候有來看我們保甲林地還有那時候的一個整個治水防洪治山防洪的一個部分那在地方上的話那時候有跟\n院長有提到水裡的台16線19K到25K那這個也有跟部長有提到過那這個需要做一個拓寬的工程那很早之前其實院內跟部內其實都有相關資料那因為這一個的經費需要納到省道改善計劃向下因為他經費大約\n25億從兩座隧道及五座橋樑那是因為這個攸關到水理跟信義整個安全那一次院長來的時候許縣長也有提出我也有提出那院長有表達說會積極來協助那白旗長在這裡也直接來救教院長是不是這一案還能夠有後續持續的一個省道改善計畫向的一個支持\n好 謝謝部長那也拜託院長支持可以嗎好 謝謝那部長 OK\n接著的話就是在南投的部分可能這個需要跟水利署相關還有自來水相關就是在南投的自來水普及率許縣長在上次卓院長來鳥水潭水庫的那次啟用典禮時有提到南投的自來水普及都會來協助來加強因為目前來講南投是偏鄉我們在鳥水潭水庫來做\n開啟使用之後來協助彰化縣一半的供水但是在於南投的自來水普及的管線跟經費那目前來講確實是還是嚴重不足所以本席在這裡還是要拜託行政院長\n那南投是非常友善尤其是南投許縣長也非常的來支持許多中央有需要配合的事項但是這個自來水普及率目前來講因為經費上面的一個短缺目前才變成是全國倒數第二的普及率\n那是不是可以對於自來水補給率部長這邊能夠直接的來協助支持以及放寬自來水沿管評比標準還基準從60萬修正到100萬未來四年有200億的預算投入請部長來做說\n委員提到的沒有錯我們最高是提到一百萬一般的到八十萬特殊的提高到一百萬那是不是可以針對南投在鳥賊團水庫對 南投因為它算是偏遠地區我們會盡量來協助本來就是要用在偏遠地區的好 那這個部分就麻煩後續好不好\n因為最主要是鳥嘴潭我們也是全力的配合包括彰化縣的供水但是如果說在南投縣確實來講也沒有受到照顧的話那本席還是要這裡來表達好 我也請部長特別來加速這個事情好 謝謝 OK\n最後的話就是在台灣的半導體目前來講不僅是對美的關稅或是包括302條款所以本來台灣的半導體產業都非常的辛苦包括它的許多的成本提高所以現在產業鏈是嚴重的動盪所以想要直接就教一下院長在半導體生態鏈蕭美琴蕭副總所指出的這個產業鏈生態系它到底是指哪些\n報告委員整個半導體的生態系是從最前端的材料設備開始一直到製造端 封裝端到後來的下游的一些所以說穿了蕭副總統的所謂的生態系就是產業鏈\n不只是產業鏈還包括他的客戶等等一些情況所以就是說台灣的生態體系也是跨國在台灣集結而成的所以就是說我們也希望就是這樣跨國集結的一個完整生態系也可以在其他部分力量延伸到其他的區域去因為\n因為人家到我們這邊來建構我們一個完整的生態系包括美國的這些應用材料也好或是材料設備也好部長其實你講的本席都理解因為郭志輝前部長他有提到說這些相關的產業類尤其是先進製程是不會過去目前來講\n最優先會在台灣沒有錯所以說先進製程跟相關技術最先進的所以說能夠依照經濟部產業券權條例第22條嚴格審查以及先進製程他不會外移到海外相關的一個公司或據點最先進的會留在台灣沒有錯\n希望能夠達到跟流台灣的一個目的因為其實目前來講在許多的媒體跟目前在委員會的質詢大家確實還是一片的驚恐所以說在這個部分網路上我記得今天有提到德工宜山\n那我相信如果說我們這個護國神山要守住才是正確的那我們要耕留台灣才能夠保住它在整個產業的一個根基我們會保住台灣的護國群山我早上說過山在台灣台灣就是山不會移走好 謝謝好 謝謝油漢委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:08.831 --> 00:12.312\n謝謝院長還有請省政院長麻煩再請卓院長備詢游委員好\n\n00:23.001 --> 00:48.829\n非常好那剛才延續三位委員所提到的Ttalk那我個人目前來講認為像現在假訊息充斥在網路上尤其是在去年的時候印象中這假訊息委員會還行政院有宣示要來進行成立來打擊這個假訊息跟目前的這網路亂象那想要直接就教一下院長目前假訊息委員會的進度如何\n\n00:51.069 --> 01:10.354\n我們是希望結合民間的組織我們像我們這個事實查核的組織或是國際的NGO共同來處理到目前為止到沒有很具體說要成立一個所謂假訊息委員會當然我們知道這個問題非常的嚴重啦但是我們現在現有的機制來做一些有效的處置\n\n01:11.169 --> 01:36.625\n好那沒關係那想跟院長還是再次就是提醒就是在去年的時候那時候你還沒就在以前在之前的院長其實也有在總諮詢的時候也有宣誓那希望這個假訊息委員會要做一個成立啊那我相信其實部長那其實也都有在這個NGO相關的一些團體還有在做一些溝通\n\n01:37.285 --> 01:51.426\n那本席在這裡就直接明確的請教院長這個假學習委員會未來的規劃是會一樣持續朝著成立的方向來去進行還是說這個部分還是未定之天\n\n01:51.994 --> 02:14.606\n在強化現有機制的情況底下如果現有機制沒有辦法來有效遏止的話那朝向一個組織來形成這個是必要的那速發部已經有相當多的包括我們現在的這個新的法律都在手我們可以可不可以做一樣強而有力的管制速發部要不要說明一下目前總部跟委員報告就如同剛剛我們院長所說的那個\n\n02:16.047 --> 02:29.224\n台灣是一個自由民主法治的國家在我們這樣的國家裡面訊息的真假不應該由政府來判斷由政府來判斷的話通常反而會造成更多的紛擾所以我們在\n\n02:30.445 --> 02:58.620\n看到世界各民主國家通常是透過NGO來判斷這個訊息的真假那當然我們知道說NGO在處理這個假訊息的時候他通常限於他的能量還有作業速度所以他每個禮拜他能處理的訊息量有限所以我們速發部現在的做法就是想辦法來幫助這些NGO我們當然不是NGO不能直接給他補助但是我們想辦法幫他募款或舉例來講\n\n02:59.881 --> 03:28.909\n那沒關係部長因為時間有限那我也知道您是非常的專業了解相關的進度啦那本席還是延續這個部分要表示的是第一T-talk的部分來講該治標還不是是應該要治本所以說T-talk的訊息不管怎麼樣回歸到假訊息委員會才是能夠根本來解決目前在社會網路所會充斥的各種錯誤訊息啊所以說我覺得標重要本也重要\n\n03:29.229 --> 03:49.845\n那在假訊息委員會我後續持續再跟部長在委員會再持續討論沒關係但是至少過去行政院有提到要成立假訊息委員會的一個進程那目前的時間上來講確實有嚴重delay那我們後面來看如何來做完善那也謝謝部長那接著我要接著就教院長\n\n03:50.586 --> 04:08.841\n就是在目前來講大家都很關心的就是光電板的部分那包括龔明星部長也等一下可能會回答到在不管烏山頭水庫農田水圈許多的用水的安全性現在民眾是非常的擔憂那因為之前沒有制定標準\n\n04:09.301 --> 04:32.499\n所以在水面關電板它沒有環評的一個情況下那時候是有提到說怕廠商不願投資但是現在環境部部長其實也說願意來進行這個環評審查那因為這個部分攸關於這個整個太陽能政策那相關的一個態度那所以本席要在這裡直接請教部長還有經濟部是否支持環境部來進行這個環評審查\n\n04:34.919 --> 04:52.911\n環境部應該是在所謂敏感的地區還有山坡地現在會不會可能包括制洪池水庫都在研議可能要精真這個環評的機制所以院長是認為是支持這個環境部要做環評審查嗎我要問一下院長跟經濟部的態度\n\n04:55.115 --> 05:23.895\n對他往這個方向再做一些是不是要增加這個部分程序要怎麼處理環境部是已經表達要環評那經濟部這邊是否會配合對我們會跟環境部來共同討論這樣的議題所以是支持進行審查怎麼樣設計怎麼樣設計一個機制那院長因為現在已經有一些環評的項目是要做的有些啦比如說在\n\n05:24.645 --> 05:44.431\n自然生態保育區國家公園或者是野生動物保育區特農這些都是要環評如果不用環評事實上現在也是要環社檢核當然有一些環社檢核也許還不夠的情況之下我們再跟環境部討論一下看用什麼樣的形式\n\n05:45.291 --> 05:47.132\n就是可以守住這個環境\n\n06:15.311 --> 06:42.241\n好沒問題因為本席當然也是認為能源政策的重要但是同樣的用水安全以及環評審查還有共識跟禁毒那同樣的那也延續今天有提到監察院寫到的七項光電的缺失那其中光電回饋已經不夠透明的部分那本席要直接就教行政院跟經濟部要如何改善以及不透明的方向方面以及未來後續如何做公開\n\n06:44.031 --> 07:01.898\n對我們也會重新考慮啦至少就是說讓這些雙方的回饋金有一個比較透明的類似公式也好或是怎麼樣一個機制一個考量的因素在裡面不會這個是用喊價式的方式要如何公開會公開在哪裡\n\n07:02.965 --> 07:29.587\n對我們會就是兩兆我們都會把我們的公司如果會分成兩個階段第一個階段他們當然會彼此去溝通如果可以有一個deal那我們當然是尊重如果不能夠deal我們會介入說我們的原則會是這樣大家考量的原則會是這樣子那騎乘上進度大約多久會讓民眾看到這樣子的一個改善的一個成果我們盡快來提出\n\n07:31.618 --> 07:59.574\n那再來因為這個部分會持續追蹤所以我不在這邊繼續追問那接著的話也謝謝兩位部長那接著我要請教一下法務部長那在目前來講網路上最近最熱烈討論的就是這個散兵的部分那包括他們被抓到之後他們也有刑責那很多都是直接認罪那網路上我們也看到有律師說這些所謂的逃兵散兵不管藝人與否應該要來去做自首\n\n08:00.694 --> 08:24.767\n來去換取任何刑責的減刑但是本席想要就教一下政部長還甚至國防部的顧部長在這些被抓到閃兵的人之後他們可能因為有沒有可能因為犯案態度良好或是主動投案或是自首會有可能會有減刑這個應該說自首要件的部分是否會適用於逃兵\n\n08:27.088 --> 08:47.143\n這個跟我們報告因為現在個案是在新北地檢署在偵辦中那當然按照刑法的規定自首的話是得檢可以得檢清起刑那但是案件會不會成立那還要看證據來做一個處理因為這個裡面有涉及到妨礙兵役跟偽造文書的一個問題那第一批的\n\n08:47.999 --> 09:07.664\n偵辦的對象都已經起訴而且檢察官也做一個具體求刑那後來這些自首的那有沒有就想說到那個檢察官或者是法官有沒有會考慮到自首的這種的一個法律上的優惠那我想我們尊重偵辦的法官跟檢察官的一些的職權的一個認定\n\n09:08.120 --> 09:35.681\n那目前的話有哪些管道可以讓他來自首以及如何來鼓勵自首那當然說如何來面對這個其他正常當兵的人會感覺到不公平以及相對這個整個差異嘛當然說私房資源不應該是浪費在就是處理這個逃兵嘛那因為應該用於詐欺販毒更立即傷害危險的這種案子那我想問一下這個管道上以及在這個態度上我想是不是來請法務部長來再簡短的說明一下\n\n09:37.135 --> 09:52.635\n凡是跟有偵查職權的人的這些公務員來自首來自首他自己的一個犯刑一個逃兵、一個閃兵的犯刑我想就可以達到自首的法律上的一個效果了\n\n09:53.339 --> 10:11.797\n好那沒關係那這個本席還是在這裡也是呼籲啊其實當兵是義務那當然說任何的逃兵閃兵本來就不應該那在任何的管道上還能夠呼籲跟強化這個服兵義務的觀念那也有請這法務部長跟國防部長能夠持續加強\n\n10:13.419 --> 10:34.331\n謝謝那再來剛才延續著我們廖偉祥委員惠環昭委所提到外送員專法的部分那勞動部長應該也在等著一起就是想請教一下院長跟部長那尤其是院長這個外送員專法那其實也很早之前就一直被討論\n\n10:35.271 --> 10:52.354\n那過去本席在擔任議員期間其實也在南投縣議會也提出過這個外送平台的一個自治條例目前有六個縣市都有那目前對於專法院長是否表態支持先請院長跟委員說明\n\n10:53.443 --> 11:18.622\n其實現在行政團隊已經透過跨部會的方式來做整合性的行政指引包括交通部包括勞動部跟幾個相關部會我們都在進行當然我們其實也做了幾輪的檢討對於現在包括朝野的黨團都有提出外送的專法這樣子的倡議也包括有些相關的提案我想勞動部我們是很願意用一個開放的態度\n\n11:19.142 --> 11:20.786\n我們現在有一個指引交通部有訂一個指引那主管機關訂\n\n11:30.733 --> 11:58.158\n那勞動部對於外送員本身的權益它必須要強化那如果現在把它強化之後要變成一個專法我們並沒有拒絕或排斥但是必須要在成熟完備它很多法制上的作業那目前我們跨部會正在進行這樣的一個工作那我知道大院裡面多位委員跟草委黨團都有提出我們願意現在趕快加速來一方面有機會參酌委員的意見把它弄成一個更完備的一個法制過程\n\n11:59.386 --> 12:13.327\n那所以說部長的話你也是對於外送員專法部長也是持保留態度嗎我嗎當然是啊我沒有持保留態度啊我是說我用開放的態度在面對這個專法會不會提出願版\n\n12:14.715 --> 12:32.566\n就像剛剛其實院長說因為這涉及到跨部會的一些權責所以我們對於法制化的工作其實這幾個月已經做相關的研擬但是當然進到最後的階段可是因為行政部門的版本通常是需要一定的法制作業部長這個其實我都清楚\n\n12:33.126 --> 12:58.394\n那其實在西班牙也有歧視法義大利也有外送員保護條款德國也有準勞工的概念那當然說這跟交通部長也有相關可是其實在過去勞動部長何沛山他其實就已經提出表達他要提出這個勞動部來送出的專法那院版的版本那何沛山至今也已經過了一年多那其實勞動部裡面早也有資料\n\n12:58.934 --> 13:17.108\n那所以我是直接要就叫部內會不會提出院版來送因為這個部分有關的是行政院或行政部門的態度陳部長來說明好跟委員報告齁這個部分其實我們行政院也有指定交通部作為治理機關那我們準備要出一個整合性的指引\n\n13:17.888 --> 13:42.490\n不是只有針對勞動條件因為跨的部會其實蠻多的我們需要一個整合性的執引我們大概在10月底會提出我們的草案整合性執引的草案11月我們會把利害相關人各方面包含消費者包含外送員包含業者包含地方政府等等大家會來坐在一起來討論這個執引我們希望在12月底之前完成整套的執引\n\n13:44.091 --> 14:10.069\n那因為這個必須要兼顧僱傭及承攬的相關的這些條件所以說這個回頭來講當然涉及到交通部相關但是同樣的還是會是在勞動部需要來去負責那本席同樣在這裡也是要麻煩到時候要有一個指引之後要有一個院版會較為適宜因為不然任何不管是國民黨團民眾黨團甚至民進黨現在也跟進黨團也跟進要提出版本那任何的版本\n\n14:10.709 --> 14:31.197\n從立院送的話到時候就有一種可能沒有願板又走向市縣所以到時候大家可能怕白忙一場所以說如果說有願板來講的話我覺得也表示不管是從過去何沛山部長所提到的要來送一個專法的版本到現在來講我覺得對於法治的一個完整性以及對勞工的保障應該是最為好的一個方式\n\n14:32.298 --> 14:48.656\n好謝謝委員的理解你也看聽到我們現在這幾個月努力的過程但行政院的法治化它的這個程序要必須走的比較多一點時間那部長已經提到了十二月底正在明年一月的時候我們是認為可以有一個完整跟立法院來做討論的時間\n\n14:50.478 --> 15:14.003\n好謝謝那在沒關係那勞動部長OK謝謝那我想說就讓交通部長就是施凱部長在這邊那本席要接著直接請教一下上次行政院長左院長有來水里的時候有來看我們保甲林地還有那時候的一個整個治水防洪治山防洪的一個部分那在地方上的話那時候有跟\n\n15:15.143 --> 15:33.366\n院長有提到水裡的台16線19K到25K那這個也有跟部長有提到過那這個需要做一個拓寬的工程那很早之前其實院內跟部內其實都有相關資料那因為這一個的經費需要納到省道改善計劃向下因為他經費大約\n\n15:35.709 --> 15:57.089\n25億從兩座隧道及五座橋樑那是因為這個攸關到水理跟信義整個安全那一次院長來的時候許縣長也有提出我也有提出那院長有表達說會積極來協助那白旗長在這裡也直接來救教院長是不是這一案還能夠有後續持續的一個省道改善計畫向的一個支持\n\n15:57.669 --> 15:59.411\n好謝謝部長那也拜託院長支持可以嗎好謝謝那部長OK\n\n16:18.210 --> 16:44.276\n接著的話就是在南投的部分可能這個需要跟水利署相關還有自來水相關就是在南投的自來水普及率許縣長在上次卓院長來鳥水潭水庫的那次啟用典禮時有提到南投的自來水普及都會來協助來加強因為目前來講南投是偏鄉我們在鳥水潭水庫來做\n\n16:45.857 --> 17:00.056\n開啟使用之後來協助彰化縣一半的供水但是在於南投的自來水普及的管線跟經費那目前來講確實是還是嚴重不足所以本席在這裡還是要拜託行政院長\n\n17:00.797 --> 17:19.930\n那南投是非常友善尤其是南投許縣長也非常的來支持許多中央有需要配合的事項但是這個自來水普及率目前來講因為經費上面的一個短缺目前才變成是全國倒數第二的普及率\n\n17:20.510 --> 17:34.161\n那是不是可以對於自來水補給率部長這邊能夠直接的來協助支持以及放寬自來水沿管評比標準還基準從60萬修正到100萬未來四年有200億的預算投入請部長來做說\n\n17:35.382 --> 17:54.457\n委員提到的沒有錯我們最高是提到一百萬一般的到八十萬特殊的提高到一百萬那是不是可以針對南投在鳥賊團水庫對南投因為它算是偏遠地區我們會盡量來協助本來就是要用在偏遠地區的好那這個部分就麻煩後續好不好\n\n17:55.407 --> 18:09.200\n因為最主要是鳥嘴潭我們也是全力的配合包括彰化縣的供水但是如果說在南投縣確實來講也沒有受到照顧的話那本席還是要這裡來表達好我也請部長特別來加速這個事情好謝謝OK\n\n18:11.102 --> 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這個其實我都清楚"},{"start":753.126,"end":778.394,"text":"那其實在西班牙也有歧視法義大利也有外送員保護條款德國也有準勞工的概念那當然說這跟交通部長也有相關可是其實在過去勞動部長何沛山他其實就已經提出表達他要提出這個勞動部來送出的專法那院版的版本那何沛山至今也已經過了一年多那其實勞動部裡面早也有資料"},{"start":778.934,"end":797.108,"text":"那所以我是直接要就叫部內會不會提出院版來送因為這個部分有關的是行政院或行政部門的態度陳部長來說明好 跟委員報告齁這個部分其實我們行政院也有指定交通部作為治理機關那我們準備要出一個整合性的指引"},{"start":797.888,"end":822.49,"text":"不是只有針對勞動條件因為跨的部會其實蠻多的我們需要一個整合性的執引我們大概在10月底會提出我們的草案整合性執引的草案11月我們會把利害相關人各方面包含消費者 包含外送員包含業者 包含地方政府等等大家會來坐在一起來討論這個執引我們希望在12月底之前完成整套的執引"},{"start":824.091,"end":850.069,"text":"那因為這個必須要兼顧僱傭及承攬的相關的這些條件所以說這個回頭來講當然涉及到交通部相關但是同樣的還是會是在勞動部需要來去負責那本席同樣在這裡也是要麻煩到時候要有一個指引之後要有一個院版會較為適宜因為不然任何不管是國民黨團民眾黨團甚至民進黨現在也跟進黨團也跟進要提出版本那任何的版本"},{"start":850.709,"end":871.197,"text":"從立院送的話到時候就有一種可能沒有願板又走向市縣所以到時候大家可能怕白忙一場所以說如果說有願板來講的話我覺得也表示不管是從過去何沛山部長所提到的要來送一個專法的版本到現在來講我覺得對於法治的一個完整性以及對勞工的保障應該是最為好的一個方式"},{"start":872.298,"end":888.656,"text":"好 謝謝委員的理解你也看 聽到我們現在這幾個月努力的過程但行政院的法治化它的這個程序要必須走的比較多一點時間那部長已經提到了十二月底正在明年一月的時候我們是認為可以有一個完整跟立法院來做討論的時間"},{"start":890.478,"end":914.003,"text":"好 謝謝那在 沒關係那勞動部長OK 謝謝那我想說就讓交通部長就是施凱部長在這邊那本席要接著直接請教一下上次行政院長左院長有來水里的時候有來看我們保甲林地還有那時候的一個整個治水防洪治山防洪的一個部分那在地方上的話那時候有跟"},{"start":915.143,"end":933.366,"text":"院長有提到水裡的台16線19K到25K那這個也有跟部長有提到過那這個需要做一個拓寬的工程那很早之前其實院內跟部內其實都有相關資料那因為這一個的經費需要納到省道改善計劃向下因為他經費大約"},{"start":935.709,"end":957.089,"text":"25億從兩座隧道及五座橋樑那是因為這個攸關到水理跟信義整個安全那一次院長來的時候許縣長也有提出我也有提出那院長有表達說會積極來協助那白旗長在這裡也直接來救教院長是不是這一案還能夠有後續持續的一個省道改善計畫向的一個支持"},{"start":957.669,"end":959.411,"text":"好 謝謝部長那也拜託院長支持可以嗎好 謝謝那部長 OK"},{"start":978.21,"end":1004.276,"text":"接著的話就是在南投的部分可能這個需要跟水利署相關還有自來水相關就是在南投的自來水普及率許縣長在上次卓院長來鳥水潭水庫的那次啟用典禮時有提到南投的自來水普及都會來協助來加強因為目前來講南投是偏鄉我們在鳥水潭水庫來做"},{"start":1005.857,"end":1020.056,"text":"開啟使用之後來協助彰化縣一半的供水但是在於南投的自來水普及的管線跟經費那目前來講確實是還是嚴重不足所以本席在這裡還是要拜託行政院長"},{"start":1020.797,"end":1039.93,"text":"那南投是非常友善尤其是南投許縣長也非常的來支持許多中央有需要配合的事項但是這個自來水普及率目前來講因為經費上面的一個短缺目前才變成是全國倒數第二的普及率"},{"start":1040.51,"end":1054.161,"text":"那是不是可以對於自來水補給率部長這邊能夠直接的來協助支持以及放寬自來水沿管評比標準還基準從60萬修正到100萬未來四年有200億的預算投入請部長來做說"},{"start":1055.382,"end":1074.457,"text":"委員提到的沒有錯我們最高是提到一百萬一般的到八十萬特殊的提高到一百萬那是不是可以針對南投在鳥賊團水庫對 南投因為它算是偏遠地區我們會盡量來協助本來就是要用在偏遠地區的好 那這個部分就麻煩後續好不好"},{"start":1075.407,"end":1089.2,"text":"因為最主要是鳥嘴潭我們也是全力的配合包括彰化縣的供水但是如果說在南投縣確實來講也沒有受到照顧的話那本席還是要這裡來表達好 我也請部長特別來加速這個事情好 謝謝 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自來水相關。有關南投的自來水普及率，許縣長在上次卓院長蒞臨鳥嘴潭水庫啟用典禮時，提到會予以協助，加強南投自來水的普及率。因為南投是偏鄉，而我們的鳥嘴潭水庫啟用之後，會協助彰化縣一半的供水，但是南投本身自來水普及的管線和經費，以目前來講，確實是嚴重不足。所以本席在這裡要拜託行政院長，南投非常友善，尤其南投的許縣長也非常支持許多中央有需要配合的事項，但是自來水普及率因為經費的短缺，目前普及率還是全國倒數第二名，針對自來水普及的問題，部長這邊是不是可以直接予以協助、支持，並且放寬自來水延管評比標準，將興建成本從60萬修正為100萬？"],["卓院長榮泰：未來四年會有200億的預算投入，請部長說明。"],["龔部長明鑫：對，剛剛委員提到的沒有錯，我們最高是提到100萬，一般是到80萬，特殊的提高到100萬。"],["游委員顥：是不是可以針對南投鳥嘴潭水庫……"],["龔部長明鑫：因為南投算是偏遠地區，所以我們會儘量來協助，這些經費本來就是要用在偏遠地區。"],["游委員顥：好，這個部分麻煩後續再予以協助，好不好？主要是鳥嘴潭水庫我們也是全力配合，包括彰化縣的供水，如果南投縣仍然無法受到照顧的話，本席還是要在這裡表達。"],["卓院長榮泰：好，我會請部長特別加速進行這個事情。"],["游委員顥：好，謝謝，OK。","最後是有關臺灣半導體的問題，目前來講，不僅是對美關稅，包括302條款，本來臺灣的半導體產業就非常辛苦，包括許多成本的提高，所以現在產業鏈是嚴重動盪，在此，本席直接就教院長，有關半導體生態鏈，蕭美琴蕭副總統所指出的產業鏈生態系，到底是指哪些？"],["龔部長明鑫：報告委員，整個半導體的生態系是從最前端的材料、設備開始，一直到製造端、封裝端，到後來下游的一些包括AI部分，甚至於客戶……"],["游委員顥：說穿了，蕭副總統所謂的生態系，就是產業鏈嘛！"],["龔部長明鑫：不只是產業鏈，還包括他的客戶等等的一些情況，也就是說，臺灣的生態體系是跨國在臺灣集結而成的，我們也希望這樣跨國集結的一個完整生態系，其力量可以延伸到其他區域去，因為人家到我們這邊來建構我們一個完整的生態系，包括美國的這些應用材料也好，或是材料設備也好，所以我們要互相協助。"],["游委員顥：部長，你講的本席都理解，之前郭智輝前部長有提到這些相關的產業鏈，尤其是先進製程是不會過去的，目前來講……"],["龔部長明鑫：先進製程最優先會在臺灣沒錯。"],["游委員顥：對，所以先進製程跟相關技術……"],["龔部長明鑫：最先進的，對，最先進的。"],["游委員顥：能夠依據經濟部產業創新條例第二十二條嚴格審查，以及先進製程不會外移到海外相關的公司或據點？"],["龔部長明鑫：對，最先進的會留在臺灣，沒有錯。"],["游委員顥：好，希望能夠達到根留臺灣的目的，因為目前來講，許多媒體和委員會的質詢，大家確實還是一片驚恐，在這個部分，我記得今天網路上有提到「德公移山」，相信我們這個護國神山要守住才是正確的，我們要根留臺灣才能夠保住整個產業的根基。"],["卓院長榮泰：我們會保住臺灣的護國群山，我早上說過，山在臺灣，臺灣就是山，不會移走。"],["游委員顥：好，謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝游顥委員質詢，謝謝卓院長及相關部會首長備詢，謝謝。","報告院會，本日排定質詢的委員均已質詢完畢，再一次謝謝卓院長、鄭副院長、各位閣員、各位首長列席答詢，也要謝謝范雲委員、林月琴委員和林沛祥委員陪同我們一起參與施政總質詢。","現在作以下決定：下次會議繼續進行施政報告之質詢。現在散會。","散會（17時9分）"]],"agenda":{"page_end":462,"meet_id":"院會-11-4-5","speakers":["韓國瑜","蔡其昌","洪孟楷","陳素月","王育敏","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe","蘇清泉","張宏陸","邱鎮軍","吳沛憶","馬文君","廖偉翔","林月琴","游顥"],"page_start":373,"meetingDate":["2025-10-21"],"gazette_id":"1148002","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1148002_00006","1148002_00007"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第4會期第5次會議紀錄","content":"施政質詢\n對行政院院長施政報告繼續質詢─繼續質詢─","agenda_id":"1148002_00005"}}}