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00:00:17,259\n謝謝主席是不是請陳主席長好請主席長委員好主席長你好主席長我請教因為主計總署修正補助辦法調整一般性補助款補助範圍將在明年適用\n\n2\n00:00:35,339 --> 00:01:01,059\n那有媒體就是報導說目前送立法院的115年度預算也將受到影響那主席長針對媒體報導修正辦法把一般性的補助款納入部分原本歸在計畫型補助的事項而且地方申請一般性補助款需要經過各部會核定\n\n3\n00:01:02,301 --> 00:01:17,536\n那請問你認為會不會有自在難行的地方這個部分我跟委員報告因為我們今年在115年預算的籌編上是遭遇到很大的一個困難就是說第一個我們原來的\n\n4\n00:01:18,459 --> 00:01:34,808\n一個那個財化法修正以後我們把一宣統籌分配稅款分出去4165億然後又指定一般性補儲款要維持2501億元的一個水準那但是相關的事權卻沒有移出去\n\n5\n00:01:35,268 --> 00:01:57,387\n所以這整個一個破壞的整個中央政府的一個財政的一個韌性也打擊到他要對縣市地方政府補助的一個能力所以這個部分我們不得不調整這一個補助的一個項目和範圍那這個部分呢我們也針對計劃型補助裡面有一些是在申請上他的\n\n6\n00:01:58,528 --> 00:02:14,427\n過程程序是比較繁複我們希望把它簡化所以有一部分雖然到一般性補助裡面項目來羅列但是我們也簡化它相關的一個申請程序所以保證它將來在執行的部分呢事實上是沒有問題\n\n7\n00:02:15,970 --> 00:02:34,403\n你認為財化法修法前後以及補助辦法修正前後中央與地方政府在施政的效力和效能上可能會發生哪些變化對全體國人又會有哪些的影響依您看\n\n8\n00:02:35,526 --> 00:02:58,411\n第一个我们对于那个我们都希望能够均衡能够照顾的我们台湾我们整个一个所有的二十一二十二县市的所有的全体国民能够受到均衡的照顾但是现在如果是这样因为他在水平分配上会有一个很大的一个落差所以现在呢我们把它把它整个部分\n\n9\n00:02:58,991 --> 00:03:17,924\n按財力分級來做一個分配分配之後然後我們也把它簡化所以這個部分整個如果是屬於原來縣市應該辦的事項我們整個把它下放給縣市直接來辦理整個對縣市來講的部分就不用再經過\n\n10\n00:03:19,105 --> 00:03:38,940\n中央的一个拨款或者相关的一个程序这个部分整个就在程序上是会比较顺利那如果说计划型的一个补助的部分呢如果整个一个以往都必须要透过计划的申请现在我们也给它简化所以整个在程序上是顺利很多\n\n11\n00:03:39,580 --> 00:03:55,549\n主席長是修正補助辦法中陣列中央主管機關對直轄市縣市政府申請一般性的補助款應訂計畫審查與評比的基準這個財務計畫檢核基礎以及撥款方式等這些規範以及作業的程序那我請問主席長\n\n12\n00:04:10,444 --> 00:04:30,425\n中央機關這個主管審查基準是採因地質疑還是因事質疑又或者是因人質疑換句話說有學者就指出說新辦法對一般性補助款所列舉的經常性\n\n13\n00:04:31,397 --> 00:04:59,415\n普及性以及基本建設或維運性質以及財政均衡等用語背離補助款制度應追求的透明公開與公式化的原則所以容易導致政治分配甚至於黑箱作業進一步來加深地方財源的不確定性我請問主席長\n\n14\n00:05:00,731 --> 00:05:23,757\n你有什麼看法其實一般性補助裡面本來裡面就有一些指定的項目那指定的項目也是都有定一些相關的一個管考一個規定那所以這個部分呢現在只是說他的項目可能很多很多都是原來的計劃型的補助的項目的延伸那所以現在如果說這個部分我們再給他簡化的話\n\n15\n00:05:25,658 --> 00:05:49,024\n事實上在整個程序上是比較順利那另外我們也把原來縣市應辦的項目回歸給地方去辦理那地方直接就可以辦理不需要再透過中央的撥款的一個程序那所以這個部分應該是更簡化它的一個程序所以也沒有所謂四人而是它是看業務的一個性質然後本身就它的意思\n\n16\n00:05:49,465 --> 00:05:57,822\n各縣市的一個需求所以這個部分是由各部會各部會去做一個檢討和改進主席長是\n\n17\n00:05:58,854 --> 00:06:17,848\n中華經濟研究院上個禮拜五發布今年第四季台灣整個經濟的預測大幅上修全年經濟成長率到5.45%第四季甚至比第三季這個整個預測預估的3.05%大增2.4%對於預測機構紛紛上修全年的經濟成長率主席長\n\n18\n00:06:26,687 --> 00:06:47,730\n在上個禮拜財委會答詢時你也說AI需求持續看好今年經濟成長率應該有點低估啦那應該是可以再超過4.5%那我請問主計長主計總數上修第四季整個經濟成長率的估測主因是什麼\n\n19\n00:06:49,721 --> 00:07:15,548\n第一個是我們要看第三季因為第三季它事實上狀況還是很好所以等於是說它的一個熱度並沒有說減少很多所以當初本來預估它可能會減少因為關稅的因素會減少很多但是事實上並沒有所以這個部分我們當初預估以主計總數是預估4.45那其他國外也有預估是5.1還有包括中研院它預估的部分是5.45\n\n20\n00:07:16,988 --> 00:07:17,048\n主席長\n\n21\n00:07:35,630 --> 00:07:53,512\n因為中青院估算台灣GDP年長率年增率5%當中有4個百分點是來自AI相關那我請問主計長那是不是代表AI以外的這些國內產業很多都是經濟衰退的\n\n22\n00:07:55,041 --> 00:08:22,268\n传产是比较影响比较大但是现在就是说我们本身因为我们又有韧性5500亿下它也会有影响影响本身大概将近1.1个百分点所以这个部分对将来的一个经济一个成长本身是有助益的还包括我们追加预算包括我们相关的一个这个对整个经济成长都是有所帮助的\n\n23\n00:08:22,568 --> 00:08:40,290\n主席長五月底美國總統川普對等關稅政策攪亂了全球的整個經濟情勢那主席總署當時還說今年經濟成長率勉強飽三那主席長川普對等關稅政策到現在\n\n24\n00:08:41,553 --> 00:08:50,038\n也還沒有定案那中華民國的關稅條件甚至於比日本韓國還要差那我請問主計長你認為上修經濟成長率會不會太過於樂觀會不會\n\n25\n00:08:58,072 --> 00:09:12,712\n所以現在就是說因為我們關稅的部分一直都還沒有確定而且半導體的影響有一些大部分都是豁免關稅所以它一般的一個後市市也仍然並沒有說\n\n26\n00:09:14,935 --> 00:09:35,783\n那因為這樣子所以還是有看好所以反正這個它的一個長勢那你們這樣一估會不會太樂觀還是全球經濟成長有爆發性台灣更是獨步全球又或者現在只是衰退現象的延後未來還是要面對衰退的一個苦果你的看法\n\n27\n00:09:36,912 --> 00:10:01,134\n所以這個部分因為台灣受AI和半導體的影響還是很大這個部分所以我們還是希望說還是預估其實我們主計總處預估本身就是比較低估但是中央醫院整身的一個預估它就是達到5.45比我們多出一個白雲分點但是我們大概預估也不會低於5如果修正預估的部分\n\n28\n00:10:01,835 --> 00:10:26,975\n另外本席要請教根據主計總署消費者物價指數CPI來看9月年增率為1.25%創下2021年4月以來的新低核心的CPI年增率1.46%則是7個月來的新低只要攸關小老百姓17項重要的民生物價\n\n29\n00:10:30,378 --> 00:10:55,330\n這個漲幅擴大到2.47%那卻是一年半以來最大的漲幅那我請問主計長為什麼重要民生物價漲幅會持續的攀升你認為下降的可能性有可能性嗎簡單的來講像這些外食的物價受影響調漲後你認為有調降的可能嗎\n\n30\n00:10:56,277 --> 00:11:25,763\n因为我们大部分主要是水果蔬菜还有外食类这个部分是长得比较微齿然后这个部分主要是因为我们受灾害或天气的影响但是这个部分它是短暂性的所以它本身就会像一般国外的一个整个一个材料原料原物料包括石油它都是往下降所以它整个368项的一个产品它都是整个平均之后它是往下降但是我们也有提\n\n31\n00:11:26,544 --> 00:11:36,680\n提供17項重要民生物資相關的物價還有也有分中低收入家庭相關的物價來提供參考\n\n32\n00:11:37,967 --> 00:12:04,542\n那個最後一個我想就是包括台鐵的便當八十塊他現在裡面的排骨還有肉塊都變小縮水或許是足跡總住和台鐵都有理由來這個解釋但是民眾對外食物價的看法就是反映低薪高物價的無奈本席以為民眾掏錢買便當三十年前都是\n\n33\n00:12:05,422 --> 00:12:33,020\n從從容容游刃有餘三十年後的現在卻是貨比三家還是買不下手買個便當哀嚎太貴又怕被笑沒出息換來的卻是政府機關掩飾太平的沒關係那我請問主計長政府有足夠的魄力和有效的辦法改變現狀縮小貧富差距嗎如果有的話那為什麼\n\n34\n00:12:34,381 --> 00:12:50,860\n幾十年來任薪資趕不上物價上漲如果沒有那像那個普發現金是常態又有又合常不是一種重分配提升民眾生活增加心理韌性的做法主席長你有什麼看法\n\n35\n00:12:51,348 --> 00:13:14,723\n因為我們都有定期召開物價穩定的一個小組但是沒有用啊定期召開我知道啊然後也有針對這個部分像我們有很多的一個一轉四的一個支出就整個是在降低整個財富一個貧富差距的一個整個的一個平均數我是認為政府是控制不了的而且那個物價穩定小組我認為那個也沒有用謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n11354\t17259\t謝謝主席是不是請陳主席長好請主席長委員好主席長你好主席長我請教因為主計總署修正補助辦法調整一般性補助款補助範圍將在明年適用\n35339\t61059\t那有媒體就是報導說目前送立法院的115年度預算也將受到影響那主席長針對媒體報導修正辦法把一般性的補助款納入部分原本歸在計畫型補助的事項而且地方申請一般性補助款需要經過各部會核定\n62301\t77536\t那請問你認為會不會有自在難行的地方這個部分我跟委員報告因為我們今年在115年預算的籌編上是遭遇到很大的一個困難就是說第一個我們原來的\n78459\t94808\t一個那個財化法修正以後我們把一宣統籌分配稅款分出去4165億然後又指定一般性補儲款要維持2501億元的一個水準那但是相關的事權卻沒有移出去\n95268\t117387\t所以這整個一個破壞的整個中央政府的一個財政的一個韌性也打擊到他要對縣市地方政府補助的一個能力所以這個部分我們不得不調整這一個補助的一個項目和範圍那這個部分呢我們也針對計劃型補助裡面有一些是在申請上他的\n118528\t134427\t過程程序是比較繁複我們希望把它簡化所以有一部分雖然到一般性補助裡面項目來羅列但是我們也簡化它相關的一個申請程序所以保證它將來在執行的部分呢事實上是沒有問題\n135970\t154403\t你認為財化法修法前後以及補助辦法修正前後中央與地方政府在施政的效力和效能上可能會發生哪些變化對全體國人又會有哪些的影響依您看\n155526\t178411\t第一个我们对于那个我们都希望能够均衡能够照顾的我们台湾我们整个一个所有的二十一二十二县市的所有的全体国民能够受到均衡的照顾但是现在如果是这样因为他在水平分配上会有一个很大的一个落差所以现在呢我们把它把它整个部分\n178991\t197924\t按財力分級來做一個分配分配之後然後我們也把它簡化所以這個部分整個如果是屬於原來縣市應該辦的事項我們整個把它下放給縣市直接來辦理整個對縣市來講的部分就不用再經過\n199105\t218940\t中央的一个拨款或者相关的一个程序这个部分整个就在程序上是会比较顺利那如果说计划型的一个补助的部分呢如果整个一个以往都必须要透过计划的申请现在我们也给它简化所以整个在程序上是顺利很多\n219580\t235549\t主席長 是修正補助辦法中陣列中央主管機關對直轄市縣市政府申請一般性的補助款應訂計畫審查與評比的基準這個財務計畫檢核基礎以及撥款方式等這些規範以及作業的程序那我請問主席長\n250444\t270425\t中央機關這個主管審查基準是採因地質疑還是因事質疑又或者是因人質疑換句話說有學者就指出說新辦法對一般性補助款所列舉的經常性\n271397\t299415\t普及性以及基本建設或維運性質以及財政均衡等用語背離補助款制度應追求的透明公開與公式化的原則所以容易導致政治分配甚至於黑箱作業進一步來加深地方財源的不確定性我請問主席長\n300731\t323757\t你有什麼看法其實一般性補助裡面本來裡面就有一些指定的項目那指定的項目也是都有定一些相關的一個管考一個規定那所以這個部分呢現在只是說他的項目可能很多很多都是原來的計劃型的補助的項目的延伸那所以現在如果說這個部分我們再給他簡化的話\n325658\t349024\t事實上在整個程序上是比較順利那另外我們也把原來縣市應辦的項目回歸給地方去辦理那地方直接就可以辦理不需要再透過中央的撥款的一個程序那所以這個部分應該是更簡化它的一個程序所以也沒有所謂四人而是它是看業務的一個性質然後本身就它的意思\n349465\t357822\t各縣市的一個需求所以這個部分是由各部會各部會去做一個檢討和改進主席長是\n358854\t377848\t中華經濟研究院上個禮拜五發布今年第四季台灣整個經濟的預測大幅上修全年經濟成長率到5.45%第四季甚至比第三季這個整個預測預估的3.05%大增2.4%對於預測機構紛紛上修全年的經濟成長率 主席長\n386687\t407730\t在上個禮拜財委會答詢時你也說AI需求持續看好今年經濟成長率應該有點低估啦那應該是可以再超過4.5%那我請問主計長主計總數上修第四季整個經濟成長率的估測主因是什麼\n409721\t435548\t第一個是我們要看第三季因為第三季它事實上狀況還是很好所以等於是說它的一個熱度並沒有說減少很多所以當初本來預估它可能會減少因為關稅的因素會減少很多但是事實上並沒有所以這個部分我們當初預估以主計總數是預估4.45那其他國外也有預估是5.1還有包括中研院它預估的部分是5.45\n436988\t437048\t主席長\n455630\t473512\t因為中青院估算台灣GDP年長率年增率5%當中有4個百分點是來自AI相關那我請問主計長那是不是代表AI以外的這些國內產業很多都是經濟衰退的\n475041\t502268\t传产是比较影响比较大但是现在就是说我们本身因为我们又有韧性5500亿下它也会有影响影响本身大概将近1.1个百分点所以这个部分对将来的一个经济一个成长本身是有助益的还包括我们追加预算包括我们相关的一个这个对整个经济成长都是有所帮助的\n502568\t520290\t主席長五月底美國總統川普對等關稅政策攪亂了全球的整個經濟情勢那主席總署當時還說今年經濟成長率勉強飽三那主席長川普對等關稅政策到現在\n521553\t530038\t也還沒有定案那中華民國的關稅條件甚至於比日本韓國還要差那我請問主計長你認為上修經濟成長率會不會太過於樂觀會不會\n538072\t552712\t所以現在就是說因為我們關稅的部分一直都還沒有確定而且半導體的影響有一些大部分都是豁免關稅所以它一般的一個後市市也仍然並沒有說\n554935\t575783\t那因為這樣子所以還是有看好所以反正這個它的一個長勢那你們這樣一估會不會太樂觀還是全球經濟成長有爆發性台灣更是獨步全球又或者現在只是衰退現象的延後未來還是要面對衰退的一個苦果你的看法\n576912\t601134\t所以這個部分因為台灣受AI和半導體的影響還是很大這個部分所以我們還是希望說還是預估其實我們主計總處預估本身就是比較低估但是中央醫院整身的一個預估它就是達到5.45比我們多出一個白雲分點但是我們大概預估也不會低於5如果修正預估的部分\n601835\t626975\t另外本席要請教根據主計總署消費者物價指數CPI來看9月年增率為1.25%創下2021年4月以來的新低核心的CPI年增率1.46%則是7個月來的新低只要攸關小老百姓17項重要的民生物價\n630378\t655330\t這個漲幅擴大到2.47%那卻是一年半以來最大的漲幅那我請問主計長為什麼重要民生物價漲幅會持續的攀升你認為下降的可能性有可能性嗎簡單的來講像這些外食的物價受影響調漲後你認為有調降的可能嗎\n656277\t685763\t因为我们大部分主要是水果蔬菜还有外食类这个部分是长得比较微齿然后这个部分主要是因为我们受灾害或天气的影响但是这个部分它是短暂性的所以它本身就会像一般国外的一个整个一个材料原料原物料包括石油它都是往下降所以它整个368项的一个产品它都是整个平均之后它是往下降但是我们也有提\n686544\t696680\t提供17項重要民生物資相關的物價還有也有分中低收入家庭相關的物價來提供參考\n697967\t724542\t那個最後一個我想就是包括台鐵的便當八十塊他現在裡面的排骨還有肉塊都變小縮水或許是足跡總住和台鐵都有理由來這個解釋但是民眾對外食物價的看法就是反映低薪高物價的無奈本席以為民眾掏錢買便當三十年前都是\n725422\t753020\t從從容容 游刃有餘三十年後的現在卻是貨比三家還是買不下手買個便當哀嚎太貴又怕被笑沒出息換來的卻是政府機關掩飾太平的沒關係那我請問主計長政府有足夠的魄力和有效的辦法改變現狀縮小貧富差距嗎如果有的話那為什麼\n754381\t770860\t幾十年來任薪資趕不上物價上漲如果沒有那像那個普發現金是常態又有又合常不是一種重分配提升民眾生活增加心理韌性的做法主席長你有什麼看法\n771348\t794723\t因為我們都有定期召開物價穩定的一個小組但是沒有用啊定期召開我知道啊然後也有針對這個部分像我們有很多的一個一轉四的一個支出就整個是在降低整個財富一個貧富差距的一個整個的一個平均數我是認為政府是控制不了的而且那個物價穩定小組我認為那個也沒有用謝謝\n","txt":"謝謝主席是不是請陳主席長好請主席長委員好主席長你好主席長我請教因為主計總署修正補助辦法調整一般性補助款補助範圍將在明年適用\n那有媒體就是報導說目前送立法院的115年度預算也將受到影響那主席長針對媒體報導修正辦法把一般性的補助款納入部分原本歸在計畫型補助的事項而且地方申請一般性補助款需要經過各部會核定\n那請問你認為會不會有自在難行的地方這個部分我跟委員報告因為我們今年在115年預算的籌編上是遭遇到很大的一個困難就是說第一個我們原來的\n一個那個財化法修正以後我們把一宣統籌分配稅款分出去4165億然後又指定一般性補儲款要維持2501億元的一個水準那但是相關的事權卻沒有移出去\n所以這整個一個破壞的整個中央政府的一個財政的一個韌性也打擊到他要對縣市地方政府補助的一個能力所以這個部分我們不得不調整這一個補助的一個項目和範圍那這個部分呢我們也針對計劃型補助裡面有一些是在申請上他的\n過程程序是比較繁複我們希望把它簡化所以有一部分雖然到一般性補助裡面項目來羅列但是我們也簡化它相關的一個申請程序所以保證它將來在執行的部分呢事實上是沒有問題\n你認為財化法修法前後以及補助辦法修正前後中央與地方政府在施政的效力和效能上可能會發生哪些變化對全體國人又會有哪些的影響依您看\n第一个我们对于那个我们都希望能够均衡能够照顾的我们台湾我们整个一个所有的二十一二十二县市的所有的全体国民能够受到均衡的照顾但是现在如果是这样因为他在水平分配上会有一个很大的一个落差所以现在呢我们把它把它整个部分\n按財力分級來做一個分配分配之後然後我們也把它簡化所以這個部分整個如果是屬於原來縣市應該辦的事項我們整個把它下放給縣市直接來辦理整個對縣市來講的部分就不用再經過\n中央的一个拨款或者相关的一个程序这个部分整个就在程序上是会比较顺利那如果说计划型的一个补助的部分呢如果整个一个以往都必须要透过计划的申请现在我们也给它简化所以整个在程序上是顺利很多\n主席長 是修正補助辦法中陣列中央主管機關對直轄市縣市政府申請一般性的補助款應訂計畫審查與評比的基準這個財務計畫檢核基礎以及撥款方式等這些規範以及作業的程序那我請問主席長\n中央機關這個主管審查基準是採因地質疑還是因事質疑又或者是因人質疑換句話說有學者就指出說新辦法對一般性補助款所列舉的經常性\n普及性以及基本建設或維運性質以及財政均衡等用語背離補助款制度應追求的透明公開與公式化的原則所以容易導致政治分配甚至於黑箱作業進一步來加深地方財源的不確定性我請問主席長\n你有什麼看法其實一般性補助裡面本來裡面就有一些指定的項目那指定的項目也是都有定一些相關的一個管考一個規定那所以這個部分呢現在只是說他的項目可能很多很多都是原來的計劃型的補助的項目的延伸那所以現在如果說這個部分我們再給他簡化的話\n事實上在整個程序上是比較順利那另外我們也把原來縣市應辦的項目回歸給地方去辦理那地方直接就可以辦理不需要再透過中央的撥款的一個程序那所以這個部分應該是更簡化它的一個程序所以也沒有所謂四人而是它是看業務的一個性質然後本身就它的意思\n各縣市的一個需求所以這個部分是由各部會各部會去做一個檢討和改進主席長是\n中華經濟研究院上個禮拜五發布今年第四季台灣整個經濟的預測大幅上修全年經濟成長率到5.45%第四季甚至比第三季這個整個預測預估的3.05%大增2.4%對於預測機構紛紛上修全年的經濟成長率 主席長\n在上個禮拜財委會答詢時你也說AI需求持續看好今年經濟成長率應該有點低估啦那應該是可以再超過4.5%那我請問主計長主計總數上修第四季整個經濟成長率的估測主因是什麼\n第一個是我們要看第三季因為第三季它事實上狀況還是很好所以等於是說它的一個熱度並沒有說減少很多所以當初本來預估它可能會減少因為關稅的因素會減少很多但是事實上並沒有所以這個部分我們當初預估以主計總數是預估4.45那其他國外也有預估是5.1還有包括中研院它預估的部分是5.45\n主席長\n因為中青院估算台灣GDP年長率年增率5%當中有4個百分點是來自AI相關那我請問主計長那是不是代表AI以外的這些國內產業很多都是經濟衰退的\n传产是比较影响比较大但是现在就是说我们本身因为我们又有韧性5500亿下它也会有影响影响本身大概将近1.1个百分点所以这个部分对将来的一个经济一个成长本身是有助益的还包括我们追加预算包括我们相关的一个这个对整个经济成长都是有所帮助的\n主席長五月底美國總統川普對等關稅政策攪亂了全球的整個經濟情勢那主席總署當時還說今年經濟成長率勉強飽三那主席長川普對等關稅政策到現在\n也還沒有定案那中華民國的關稅條件甚至於比日本韓國還要差那我請問主計長你認為上修經濟成長率會不會太過於樂觀會不會\n所以現在就是說因為我們關稅的部分一直都還沒有確定而且半導體的影響有一些大部分都是豁免關稅所以它一般的一個後市市也仍然並沒有說\n那因為這樣子所以還是有看好所以反正這個它的一個長勢那你們這樣一估會不會太樂觀還是全球經濟成長有爆發性台灣更是獨步全球又或者現在只是衰退現象的延後未來還是要面對衰退的一個苦果你的看法\n所以這個部分因為台灣受AI和半導體的影響還是很大這個部分所以我們還是希望說還是預估其實我們主計總處預估本身就是比較低估但是中央醫院整身的一個預估它就是達到5.45比我們多出一個白雲分點但是我們大概預估也不會低於5如果修正預估的部分\n另外本席要請教根據主計總署消費者物價指數CPI來看9月年增率為1.25%創下2021年4月以來的新低核心的CPI年增率1.46%則是7個月來的新低只要攸關小老百姓17項重要的民生物價\n這個漲幅擴大到2.47%那卻是一年半以來最大的漲幅那我請問主計長為什麼重要民生物價漲幅會持續的攀升你認為下降的可能性有可能性嗎簡單的來講像這些外食的物價受影響調漲後你認為有調降的可能嗎\n因为我们大部分主要是水果蔬菜还有外食类这个部分是长得比较微齿然后这个部分主要是因为我们受灾害或天气的影响但是这个部分它是短暂性的所以它本身就会像一般国外的一个整个一个材料原料原物料包括石油它都是往下降所以它整个368项的一个产品它都是整个平均之后它是往下降但是我们也有提\n提供17項重要民生物資相關的物價還有也有分中低收入家庭相關的物價來提供參考\n那個最後一個我想就是包括台鐵的便當八十塊他現在裡面的排骨還有肉塊都變小縮水或許是足跡總住和台鐵都有理由來這個解釋但是民眾對外食物價的看法就是反映低薪高物價的無奈本席以為民眾掏錢買便當三十年前都是\n從從容容 游刃有餘三十年後的現在卻是貨比三家還是買不下手買個便當哀嚎太貴又怕被笑沒出息換來的卻是政府機關掩飾太平的沒關係那我請問主計長政府有足夠的魄力和有效的辦法改變現狀縮小貧富差距嗎如果有的話那為什麼\n幾十年來任薪資趕不上物價上漲如果沒有那像那個普發現金是常態又有又合常不是一種重分配提升民眾生活增加心理韌性的做法主席長你有什麼看法\n因為我們都有定期召開物價穩定的一個小組但是沒有用啊定期召開我知道啊然後也有針對這個部分像我們有很多的一個一轉四的一個支出就整個是在降低整個財富一個貧富差距的一個整個的一個平均數我是認為政府是控制不了的而且那個物價穩定小組我認為那個也沒有用謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:11.354 --> 00:17.259\n謝謝主席是不是請陳主席長好請主席長委員好主席長你好主席長我請教因為主計總署修正補助辦法調整一般性補助款補助範圍將在明年適用\n\n00:35.339 --> 01:01.059\n那有媒體就是報導說目前送立法院的115年度預算也將受到影響那主席長針對媒體報導修正辦法把一般性的補助款納入部分原本歸在計畫型補助的事項而且地方申請一般性補助款需要經過各部會核定\n\n01:02.301 --> 01:17.536\n那請問你認為會不會有自在難行的地方這個部分我跟委員報告因為我們今年在115年預算的籌編上是遭遇到很大的一個困難就是說第一個我們原來的\n\n01:18.459 --> 01:34.808\n一個那個財化法修正以後我們把一宣統籌分配稅款分出去4165億然後又指定一般性補儲款要維持2501億元的一個水準那但是相關的事權卻沒有移出去\n\n01:35.268 --> 01:57.387\n所以這整個一個破壞的整個中央政府的一個財政的一個韌性也打擊到他要對縣市地方政府補助的一個能力所以這個部分我們不得不調整這一個補助的一個項目和範圍那這個部分呢我們也針對計劃型補助裡面有一些是在申請上他的\n\n01:58.528 --> 02:14.427\n過程程序是比較繁複我們希望把它簡化所以有一部分雖然到一般性補助裡面項目來羅列但是我們也簡化它相關的一個申請程序所以保證它將來在執行的部分呢事實上是沒有問題\n\n02:15.970 --> 02:34.403\n你認為財化法修法前後以及補助辦法修正前後中央與地方政府在施政的效力和效能上可能會發生哪些變化對全體國人又會有哪些的影響依您看\n\n02:35.526 --> 02:58.411\n第一个我们对于那个我们都希望能够均衡能够照顾的我们台湾我们整个一个所有的二十一二十二县市的所有的全体国民能够受到均衡的照顾但是现在如果是这样因为他在水平分配上会有一个很大的一个落差所以现在呢我们把它把它整个部分\n\n02:58.991 --> 03:17.924\n按財力分級來做一個分配分配之後然後我們也把它簡化所以這個部分整個如果是屬於原來縣市應該辦的事項我們整個把它下放給縣市直接來辦理整個對縣市來講的部分就不用再經過\n\n03:19.105 --> 03:38.940\n中央的一个拨款或者相关的一个程序这个部分整个就在程序上是会比较顺利那如果说计划型的一个补助的部分呢如果整个一个以往都必须要透过计划的申请现在我们也给它简化所以整个在程序上是顺利很多\n\n03:39.580 --> 03:55.549\n主席長是修正補助辦法中陣列中央主管機關對直轄市縣市政府申請一般性的補助款應訂計畫審查與評比的基準這個財務計畫檢核基礎以及撥款方式等這些規範以及作業的程序那我請問主席長\n\n04:10.444 --> 04:30.425\n中央機關這個主管審查基準是採因地質疑還是因事質疑又或者是因人質疑換句話說有學者就指出說新辦法對一般性補助款所列舉的經常性\n\n04:31.397 --> 04:59.415\n普及性以及基本建設或維運性質以及財政均衡等用語背離補助款制度應追求的透明公開與公式化的原則所以容易導致政治分配甚至於黑箱作業進一步來加深地方財源的不確定性我請問主席長\n\n05:00.731 --> 05:23.757\n你有什麼看法其實一般性補助裡面本來裡面就有一些指定的項目那指定的項目也是都有定一些相關的一個管考一個規定那所以這個部分呢現在只是說他的項目可能很多很多都是原來的計劃型的補助的項目的延伸那所以現在如果說這個部分我們再給他簡化的話\n\n05:25.658 --> 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