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00:02:25,829\n那當然我們在日本的時候其實包括早晚我們也跟這個黃世芳董事長討論過是不是能夠把這個展出的內容回到台灣來巡展那我當然要具體的建議如果可以巡展的話其實高雄已經準備好了我昨天也跟我們的市長在盤點\n\n9\n00:02:26,871 --> 00:02:40,873\n高雄可能可以來提供的場域是不是這個部長你也能夠在這裡承諾一下有沒有可能把這個展整個展出的內容文化的元素回到台灣來做巡展\n\n10\n00:02:41,704 --> 00:03:01,080\n報告委員我們的確是有這樣的考量所以我才會去試博一趟那行政院也有這樣的考量然後我們現在正在規劃就是說因為它尤其是第一個項目它高要9公尺所以說我們必須要選擇地點還有它的展期的時間\n\n11\n00:03:02,987 --> 00:03:16,748\n還有它的這個內容要怎麼樣來呈現所以的確是有這樣的規劃當然有很多委員還有民眾也有建議包括要不要配合燈會或是巡迴您剛剛提到的巡迴這個我們都會一併的考量\n\n12\n00:03:17,728 --> 00:03:40,614\n好這個部長我覺得打鐵要趁熱你應該還要在這個勢勃的這個熱潮當中很多人沒有辦法直接去到日本看所以我覺得打鐵趁熱讓大家趕快感受到台灣的這個軟實力台灣的這個AI的軟實力跟我們的文化軟實力到底在日本為什麼可以造成這麼大的轟動\n\n13\n00:03:41,494 --> 00:03:57,282\n我覺得這一點這個規劃上面我可能要請部長你們加快腳步好不好那我當然是具體爭取如果可以的話我希望第一個能夠展出的地方就能夠到高雄來我們高雄有最棒最棒的展場所以我們一定是全力配合\n\n14\n00:03:57,882 --> 00:04:19,966\n這一點我請部長能夠納入考量是是是好來部長接下來要跟你討論一下這個無人機的產業發展這個行政院在10月16號核定了一個叫做無人載具產業發展統籌型計畫我們預估未來6年要投入442億那你的目標是2030年的產值要達到400億\n\n15\n00:04:25,222 --> 00:04:48,940\n部長我想您大概也非常的清楚除了這個是賴總統的五大信賴產業之一喔其實未來無人機的需求跟發展應該會遠遠超過您現在所盤點的這個需求量喔您現在說這個國內的部分盤點國防部的需求未來三年大概有十萬台的採購需求\n\n16\n00:04:49,600 --> 00:05:18,980\n我覺得你盤點的這個量應該是太少太少了吧無人機不只是用在國防的這個不對等的這個作戰裡頭其實它可以涵蓋的範圍是非常非常的廣包括我們這一次的雨災衛福部就首度啟用了無人機到這個孤島去送藥嘛這個其實對於很多這個重大疾病或者是有一些患者住在偏遠的鄉鎮裡頭這是非常非常非常大的\n\n17\n00:05:19,929 --> 00:05:41,941\n的這個幫助那甚至其實無人機的投入在各大的產業裡頭過去我們也其實做了非常多只是他的應用並不那麼普及包括在農業上面我們的噴藥施肥播種甚至很多的農藥監測像這個我可以看到這個圖是美濃農會提供的我們用無人機去噴灑農藥\n\n18\n00:05:43,422 --> 00:06:01,999\n但是因為現在無人機的法令規範其實是有一點混亂有一點複雜所以無人機做噴灑農藥的這樣的一個行為可是又被國防部拿來說要禁飛他就劃定了一個很大的禁飛區域所以造成這個無人機到底誰來管誰可管應該怎麼管\n\n19\n00:06:05,161 --> 00:06:27,703\n產生了非常大的問題喔那不只在農業上面在醫療上面包括我們最近大家一直在監測的艷澀湖的水到底會不會溢流什麼時候溢流水量到多少這個也都是在靠無人機來做監測所以部長我想要具體請教你們的442億的經費到底未來是要做\n\n20\n00:06:28,544 --> 00:06:44,189\n怎麼樣的預算分布那你只做研發嗎產能的部分只有到你講的那樣子嗎看看我們的這個漢翔漢翔現在去搶食500億的無人機的這樣的一個商機\n\n21\n00:06:45,129 --> 00:07:03,259\n那未來在整個無人機的產業聚落裡頭有沒有比較更完整一點的規劃除了你講到在嘉義做這個AI的研發中心以外其實結合嘉義台南沙崙中科院甚至漢祥甚至在我們整個高雄地區能不能在\n\n22\n00:07:05,263 --> 00:07:20,857\n在高屏家的這個地方形成一個所謂的南部無人機產業走廊就整體的我們對無人機的這個產業規劃上面部長您能不能簡單說明一下無人機的發展是全台灣的發展\n\n23\n00:07:22,198 --> 00:07:47,308\n只是說剛開始的時候在民雄地區它有一個非控的場域可以做示範性的一些試驗但是並不表示說只有在那邊可以做無人機不是這個意思我當然知道我的意思是說但是你還是有一個產業聚落的形成或者是說您現在對於這樣的業者不管他是研發或者是產製你的442億是要具體要做哪些東西我現在看起來你442億是只做研發嗎\n\n24\n00:07:49,189 --> 00:08:05,117\n442亿除了有一部分就刚刚提到的就是说我们各部会有盘点的大概有要5万多台的这个需求这是你部会里头的需求国防部需要的量是4万多部将近5万部就是5万加5万嘛\n\n25\n00:08:05,737 --> 00:08:21,380\n那有這樣5萬總共10萬部的所以你講的10萬台的需求是政府的部門但是不包含民間不包含民間的需求嘛所以你整體那你整體的產能我們的產能還包括可能要出口就是我們現在\n\n26\n00:08:22,561 --> 00:08:47,444\n組成了這個聯盟跟國外對接現在也有一些陸續的訂單你看像漢翔他要去搶500億的這個無人機的商機他其實是要到美國去嘛到歐洲去嘛那這個部分政府有強力的支持他嗎或者是說我們有在政策上面在法令上面我們做怎麼樣更具體的這些政策支持呢\n\n27\n00:08:49,385 --> 00:09:14,538\n我们跟民间已经有应该是二十几家二十五家的这个民间两百五十家已经组成了这个联盟嘛那这个联盟就跟国外不管是供应链的合作也好或是订单的这个掌握也好那就已经开始有滚动式的往前推进了嘛所以我们现在大家会认为说我们好像只能做零组件不是这样的我们已经可以在整个这个系统性已经完成了所以拿到\n\n28\n00:09:15,031 --> 00:09:25,970\n波蘭的訂單大概差不多10億台幣3200萬美元類似這樣的訂單那美國的部分那個schedule\n\n29\n00:09:26,550 --> 00:09:45,459\n我们也拿到他的订单了有些厂商已经拿到订单他主要是在做商用甚至于说是锦销而用虽然不是军事用途但是锦销用这个就是刚刚提到的我们在实际的用法上是实际有这样的订单有这样的成果了已经慢慢的开始起来的\n\n30\n00:09:46,700 --> 00:10:00,698\n這個部長我想時間到我就不再用太多時間了但是我覺得可能未來在所謂的無人機的產業發展上面其實我比較期待有沒有可能未來我們來制定一個所謂的無人載具產業基本法或者是無人載具的產業發展法\n\n31\n00:10:02,700 --> 00:10:25,337\n我覺得這個是未來很重要的不管是不對等的作戰不管是在商用不管是在民間使用我覺得無人機的這個產業它應該是蓬勃發展那很多的相關的管理辦法現在分散在各地尤其是民航法的管制其實是非常相對嚴格包括國防部對於無人機怎麼飛\n\n32\n00:10:26,918 --> 00:10:53,708\n飛的高度是多少國防部都會劃定一個所謂的禁飛範圍裡頭那這個對於整個不管是無人機的使用或者是發展其實都產生非常大的漢格所以我期待可能這個可能經濟部是不是要跟國發會或者是跟其他的部會來共同討論一下對於無人載具的產業發展我們應該要制定一個通法然後呢對於相關的這些法令的鬆綁其實也應該\n\n33\n00:10:56,409 --> 00:11:15,985\n要來一併做考量好不好好的因為我們現在已經有一個無人載具的有點像示範砂輪的一些條例那我想用那個基礎把它upgrade到發展條例也好你們那個示範條例是不是可以給本席一下好不好好謝謝好示範條例給邱委員謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n69\t1332\t謝謝主席我請一下部長我們再請拱部長\n18071\t31886\t部长好部长这个大阪世博上礼拜结束了是那我想首先我要谢谢我们的召委这个安排我们快闪日本不到24小时之内我们这个\n32907\t56424\t走了兩萬多步去看大阪世博但是我想藉著今天的質詢的機會我覺得應該給我們國貿署跟外貿協會一個大大的掌聲跟大大的鼓勵這個部長我知道您在我們離開之後隔天也特別到了世博去看趕在最後的階段去就是假日的時候對 所以這個我們的Tech World這個館其實頗受好評\n58146\t72507\t這個除了日本的這個地主國之外我們其實是在所有的場館裡頭是排名第五你看到這個照片我還特別把這個排隊人龍的照片都把它拍回來喔這個平均要入館入台灣館必須要等\n73368\t87739\t三個小時以上喔那這個Tech world雖然它的字面上沒有任何台灣但是幾乎百分之九十六的民眾都知道Tech world管就是台灣管喔好 部長我現在要講就是說這個管\n88900\t106392\t在日本這個展覽在日本這麼成功喔有沒有可能我們把內容的這個展出能夠到台灣回到台灣來來做巡展讓很多沒有辦法去到日本的台灣民眾也能夠充分的感受\n106892\t125685\t甚至了解我們這一次的Tech World到底在世博展出什麼樣東西我們到底如何運用台灣有的這個AI科技元素文化把它導入在所有的展覽裡頭我們的這三個生命劇場其實很多人看完都是熱淚盈眶\n126906\t145829\t那當然我們在日本的時候其實包括早晚我們也跟這個黃世芳董事長討論過是不是能夠把這個展出的內容回到台灣來巡展那我當然要具體的建議如果可以巡展的話其實高雄已經準備好了我昨天也跟我們的市長在盤點\n146871\t160873\t高雄可能可以來提供的場域是不是這個部長你也能夠在這裡承諾一下有沒有可能把這個展整個展出的內容文化的元素回到台灣來做巡展\n161704\t181080\t報告委員 我們的確是有這樣的考量所以我才會去試博一趟那行政院也有這樣的考量然後我們現在正在規劃就是說因為它尤其是第一個項目它高要9公尺所以說我們必須要選擇地點還有它的展期的時間\n182987\t196748\t還有它的這個內容要怎麼樣來呈現所以的確是有這樣的規劃當然有很多委員還有民眾也有建議包括要不要配合燈會或是巡迴您剛剛提到的巡迴這個我們都會一併的考量\n197728\t220614\t好 這個部長我覺得打鐵要趁熱你應該還要在這個勢勃的這個熱潮當中很多人沒有辦法直接去到日本看所以我覺得打鐵趁熱讓大家趕快感受到台灣的這個軟實力台灣的這個AI的軟實力跟我們的文化軟實力到底在日本為什麼可以造成這麼大的轟動\n221494\t237282\t我覺得這一點這個規劃上面我可能要請部長你們加快腳步好不好那我當然是具體爭取如果可以的話我希望第一個能夠展出的地方就能夠到高雄來我們高雄有最棒最棒的展場所以我們一定是全力配合\n237882\t259966\t這一點我請部長能夠納入考量是是是好 來 部長接下來要跟你討論一下這個無人機的產業發展這個行政院在10月16號核定了一個叫做無人載具產業發展統籌型計畫我們預估未來6年要投入442億那你的目標是2030年的產值要達到400億\n265222\t288940\t部長我想您大概也非常的清楚除了這個是賴總統的五大信賴產業之一喔其實未來無人機的需求跟發展應該會遠遠超過您現在所盤點的這個需求量喔您現在說這個國內的部分盤點國防部的需求未來三年大概有十萬台的採購需求\n289600\t318980\t我覺得你盤點的這個量應該是太少太少了吧無人機不只是用在國防的這個不對等的這個作戰裡頭其實它可以涵蓋的範圍是非常非常的廣包括我們這一次的雨災衛福部就首度啟用了無人機到這個孤島去送藥嘛這個其實對於很多這個重大疾病或者是有一些患者住在偏遠的鄉鎮裡頭這是非常非常非常大的\n319929\t341941\t的這個幫助那甚至其實無人機的投入在各大的產業裡頭過去我們也其實做了非常多只是他的應用並不那麼普及包括在農業上面我們的噴藥施肥播種甚至很多的農藥監測像這個我可以看到這個圖是美濃農會提供的我們用無人機去噴灑農藥\n343422\t361999\t但是因為現在無人機的法令規範其實是有一點混亂 有一點複雜所以無人機做噴灑農藥的這樣的一個行為可是又被國防部拿來說要禁飛他就劃定了一個很大的禁飛區域所以造成這個無人機到底誰來管 誰可管 應該怎麼管\n365161\t387703\t產生了非常大的問題喔那不只在農業上面在醫療上面包括我們最近大家一直在監測的艷澀湖的水到底會不會溢流什麼時候溢流水量到多少這個也都是在靠無人機來做監測所以部長我想要具體請教你們的442億的經費到底未來是要做\n388544\t404189\t怎麼樣的預算分布那你只做研發嗎產能的部分只有到你講的那樣子嗎看看我們的這個漢翔漢翔現在去搶食500億的無人機的這樣的一個商機\n405129\t423259\t那未來在整個無人機的產業聚落裡頭有沒有比較更完整一點的規劃除了你講到在嘉義做這個AI的研發中心以外其實結合嘉義台南沙崙中科院甚至漢祥甚至在我們整個高雄地區能不能在\n425263\t440857\t在高屏家的這個地方形成一個所謂的南部無人機產業走廊就整體的我們對無人機的這個產業規劃上面部長您能不能簡單說明一下無人機的發展是全台灣的發展\n442198\t467308\t只是說剛開始的時候在民雄地區它有一個非控的場域可以做示範性的一些試驗但是並不表示說只有在那邊可以做無人機不是這個意思我當然知道我的意思是說但是你還是有一個產業聚落的形成或者是說您現在對於這樣的業者不管他是研發或者是產製你的442億是要具體要做哪些東西我現在看起來你442億是只做研發嗎\n469189\t485117\t442亿除了有一部分就刚刚提到的就是说我们各部会有盘点的大概有要5万多台的这个需求这是你部会里头的需求国防部需要的量是4万多部将近5万部就是5万加5万嘛\n485737\t501380\t那有這樣5萬總共10萬部的所以你講的10萬台的需求是政府的部門但是不包含民間不包含民間的需求嘛所以你整體那你整體的產能我們的產能還包括可能要出口就是我們現在\n502561\t527444\t組成了這個聯盟跟國外對接現在也有一些陸續的訂單你看像漢翔他要去搶500億的這個無人機的商機他其實是要到美國去嘛 到歐洲去嘛那這個部分政府有強力的支持他嗎或者是說我們有在政策上面在法令上面我們做怎麼樣更具體的這些政策支持呢\n529385\t554538\t我们跟民间已经有应该是二十几家二十五家的这个民间两百五十家已经组成了这个联盟嘛那这个联盟就跟国外不管是供应链的合作也好或是订单的这个掌握也好那就已经开始有滚动式的往前推进了嘛所以我们现在大家会认为说我们好像只能做零组件不是这样的我们已经可以在整个这个系统性已经完成了所以拿到\n555031\t565970\t波蘭的訂單大概差不多10億台幣3200萬美元類似這樣的訂單那美國的部分那個schedule\n566550\t585459\t我们也拿到他的订单了有些厂商已经拿到订单他主要是在做商用甚至于说是锦销而用虽然不是军事用途但是锦销用这个就是刚刚提到的我们在实际的用法上是实际有这样的订单有这样的成果了已经慢慢的开始起来的\n586700\t600698\t這個部長我想時間到我就不再用太多時間了但是我覺得可能未來在所謂的無人機的產業發展上面其實我比較期待有沒有可能未來我們來制定一個所謂的無人載具產業基本法或者是無人載具的產業發展法\n602700\t625337\t我覺得這個是未來很重要的不管是不對等的作戰不管是在商用不管是在民間使用我覺得無人機的這個產業它應該是蓬勃發展那很多的相關的管理辦法現在分散在各地尤其是民航法的管制其實是非常相對嚴格包括國防部對於無人機怎麼飛\n626918\t653708\t飛的高度是多少國防部都會劃定一個所謂的禁飛範圍裡頭那這個對於整個不管是無人機的使用或者是發展其實都產生非常大的漢格所以我期待可能這個可能經濟部是不是要跟國發會或者是跟其他的部會來共同討論一下對於無人載具的產業發展我們應該要制定一個通法然後呢對於相關的這些法令的鬆綁其實也應該\n656409\t675985\t要來一併做考量好不好好的因為我們現在已經有一個無人載具的有點像示範砂輪的一些條例那我想用那個基礎把它upgrade到發展條例也好你們那個示範條例是不是可以給本席一下好不好好 謝謝好 示範條例給邱委員謝謝\n","txt":"謝謝主席我請一下部長我們再請拱部長\n部长好部长这个大阪世博上礼拜结束了是那我想首先我要谢谢我们的召委这个安排我们快闪日本不到24小时之内我们这个\n走了兩萬多步去看大阪世博但是我想藉著今天的質詢的機會我覺得應該給我們國貿署跟外貿協會一個大大的掌聲跟大大的鼓勵這個部長我知道您在我們離開之後隔天也特別到了世博去看趕在最後的階段去就是假日的時候對 所以這個我們的Tech World這個館其實頗受好評\n這個除了日本的這個地主國之外我們其實是在所有的場館裡頭是排名第五你看到這個照片我還特別把這個排隊人龍的照片都把它拍回來喔這個平均要入館入台灣館必須要等\n三個小時以上喔那這個Tech world雖然它的字面上沒有任何台灣但是幾乎百分之九十六的民眾都知道Tech world管就是台灣管喔好 部長我現在要講就是說這個管\n在日本這個展覽在日本這麼成功喔有沒有可能我們把內容的這個展出能夠到台灣回到台灣來來做巡展讓很多沒有辦法去到日本的台灣民眾也能夠充分的感受\n甚至了解我們這一次的Tech World到底在世博展出什麼樣東西我們到底如何運用台灣有的這個AI科技元素文化把它導入在所有的展覽裡頭我們的這三個生命劇場其實很多人看完都是熱淚盈眶\n那當然我們在日本的時候其實包括早晚我們也跟這個黃世芳董事長討論過是不是能夠把這個展出的內容回到台灣來巡展那我當然要具體的建議如果可以巡展的話其實高雄已經準備好了我昨天也跟我們的市長在盤點\n高雄可能可以來提供的場域是不是這個部長你也能夠在這裡承諾一下有沒有可能把這個展整個展出的內容文化的元素回到台灣來做巡展\n報告委員 我們的確是有這樣的考量所以我才會去試博一趟那行政院也有這樣的考量然後我們現在正在規劃就是說因為它尤其是第一個項目它高要9公尺所以說我們必須要選擇地點還有它的展期的時間\n還有它的這個內容要怎麼樣來呈現所以的確是有這樣的規劃當然有很多委員還有民眾也有建議包括要不要配合燈會或是巡迴您剛剛提到的巡迴這個我們都會一併的考量\n好 這個部長我覺得打鐵要趁熱你應該還要在這個勢勃的這個熱潮當中很多人沒有辦法直接去到日本看所以我覺得打鐵趁熱讓大家趕快感受到台灣的這個軟實力台灣的這個AI的軟實力跟我們的文化軟實力到底在日本為什麼可以造成這麼大的轟動\n我覺得這一點這個規劃上面我可能要請部長你們加快腳步好不好那我當然是具體爭取如果可以的話我希望第一個能夠展出的地方就能夠到高雄來我們高雄有最棒最棒的展場所以我們一定是全力配合\n這一點我請部長能夠納入考量是是是好 來 部長接下來要跟你討論一下這個無人機的產業發展這個行政院在10月16號核定了一個叫做無人載具產業發展統籌型計畫我們預估未來6年要投入442億那你的目標是2030年的產值要達到400億\n部長我想您大概也非常的清楚除了這個是賴總統的五大信賴產業之一喔其實未來無人機的需求跟發展應該會遠遠超過您現在所盤點的這個需求量喔您現在說這個國內的部分盤點國防部的需求未來三年大概有十萬台的採購需求\n我覺得你盤點的這個量應該是太少太少了吧無人機不只是用在國防的這個不對等的這個作戰裡頭其實它可以涵蓋的範圍是非常非常的廣包括我們這一次的雨災衛福部就首度啟用了無人機到這個孤島去送藥嘛這個其實對於很多這個重大疾病或者是有一些患者住在偏遠的鄉鎮裡頭這是非常非常非常大的\n的這個幫助那甚至其實無人機的投入在各大的產業裡頭過去我們也其實做了非常多只是他的應用並不那麼普及包括在農業上面我們的噴藥施肥播種甚至很多的農藥監測像這個我可以看到這個圖是美濃農會提供的我們用無人機去噴灑農藥\n但是因為現在無人機的法令規範其實是有一點混亂 有一點複雜所以無人機做噴灑農藥的這樣的一個行為可是又被國防部拿來說要禁飛他就劃定了一個很大的禁飛區域所以造成這個無人機到底誰來管 誰可管 應該怎麼管\n產生了非常大的問題喔那不只在農業上面在醫療上面包括我們最近大家一直在監測的艷澀湖的水到底會不會溢流什麼時候溢流水量到多少這個也都是在靠無人機來做監測所以部長我想要具體請教你們的442億的經費到底未來是要做\n怎麼樣的預算分布那你只做研發嗎產能的部分只有到你講的那樣子嗎看看我們的這個漢翔漢翔現在去搶食500億的無人機的這樣的一個商機\n那未來在整個無人機的產業聚落裡頭有沒有比較更完整一點的規劃除了你講到在嘉義做這個AI的研發中心以外其實結合嘉義台南沙崙中科院甚至漢祥甚至在我們整個高雄地區能不能在\n在高屏家的這個地方形成一個所謂的南部無人機產業走廊就整體的我們對無人機的這個產業規劃上面部長您能不能簡單說明一下無人機的發展是全台灣的發展\n只是說剛開始的時候在民雄地區它有一個非控的場域可以做示範性的一些試驗但是並不表示說只有在那邊可以做無人機不是這個意思我當然知道我的意思是說但是你還是有一個產業聚落的形成或者是說您現在對於這樣的業者不管他是研發或者是產製你的442億是要具體要做哪些東西我現在看起來你442億是只做研發嗎\n442亿除了有一部分就刚刚提到的就是说我们各部会有盘点的大概有要5万多台的这个需求这是你部会里头的需求国防部需要的量是4万多部将近5万部就是5万加5万嘛\n那有這樣5萬總共10萬部的所以你講的10萬台的需求是政府的部門但是不包含民間不包含民間的需求嘛所以你整體那你整體的產能我們的產能還包括可能要出口就是我們現在\n組成了這個聯盟跟國外對接現在也有一些陸續的訂單你看像漢翔他要去搶500億的這個無人機的商機他其實是要到美國去嘛 到歐洲去嘛那這個部分政府有強力的支持他嗎或者是說我們有在政策上面在法令上面我們做怎麼樣更具體的這些政策支持呢\n我们跟民间已经有应该是二十几家二十五家的这个民间两百五十家已经组成了这个联盟嘛那这个联盟就跟国外不管是供应链的合作也好或是订单的这个掌握也好那就已经开始有滚动式的往前推进了嘛所以我们现在大家会认为说我们好像只能做零组件不是这样的我们已经可以在整个这个系统性已经完成了所以拿到\n波蘭的訂單大概差不多10億台幣3200萬美元類似這樣的訂單那美國的部分那個schedule\n我们也拿到他的订单了有些厂商已经拿到订单他主要是在做商用甚至于说是锦销而用虽然不是军事用途但是锦销用这个就是刚刚提到的我们在实际的用法上是实际有这样的订单有这样的成果了已经慢慢的开始起来的\n這個部長我想時間到我就不再用太多時間了但是我覺得可能未來在所謂的無人機的產業發展上面其實我比較期待有沒有可能未來我們來制定一個所謂的無人載具產業基本法或者是無人載具的產業發展法\n我覺得這個是未來很重要的不管是不對等的作戰不管是在商用不管是在民間使用我覺得無人機的這個產業它應該是蓬勃發展那很多的相關的管理辦法現在分散在各地尤其是民航法的管制其實是非常相對嚴格包括國防部對於無人機怎麼飛\n飛的高度是多少國防部都會劃定一個所謂的禁飛範圍裡頭那這個對於整個不管是無人機的使用或者是發展其實都產生非常大的漢格所以我期待可能這個可能經濟部是不是要跟國發會或者是跟其他的部會來共同討論一下對於無人載具的產業發展我們應該要制定一個通法然後呢對於相關的這些法令的鬆綁其實也應該\n要來一併做考量好不好好的因為我們現在已經有一個無人載具的有點像示範砂輪的一些條例那我想用那個基礎把它upgrade到發展條例也好你們那個示範條例是不是可以給本席一下好不好好 謝謝好 示範條例給邱委員謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.069 --> 00:01.332\n謝謝主席我請一下部長我們再請拱部長\n\n00:18.071 --> 00:31.886\n部长好部长这个大阪世博上礼拜结束了是那我想首先我要谢谢我们的召委这个安排我们快闪日本不到24小时之内我们这个\n\n00:32.907 --> 00:56.424\n走了兩萬多步去看大阪世博但是我想藉著今天的質詢的機會我覺得應該給我們國貿署跟外貿協會一個大大的掌聲跟大大的鼓勵這個部長我知道您在我們離開之後隔天也特別到了世博去看趕在最後的階段去就是假日的時候對所以這個我們的TechWorld這個館其實頗受好評\n\n00:58.146 --> 01:12.507\n這個除了日本的這個地主國之外我們其實是在所有的場館裡頭是排名第五你看到這個照片我還特別把這個排隊人龍的照片都把它拍回來喔這個平均要入館入台灣館必須要等\n\n01:13.368 --> 01:27.739\n三個小時以上喔那這個Techworld雖然它的字面上沒有任何台灣但是幾乎百分之九十六的民眾都知道Techworld管就是台灣管喔好部長我現在要講就是說這個管\n\n01:28.900 --> 01:46.392\n在日本這個展覽在日本這麼成功喔有沒有可能我們把內容的這個展出能夠到台灣回到台灣來來做巡展讓很多沒有辦法去到日本的台灣民眾也能夠充分的感受\n\n01:46.892 --> 02:05.685\n甚至了解我們這一次的TechWorld到底在世博展出什麼樣東西我們到底如何運用台灣有的這個AI科技元素文化把它導入在所有的展覽裡頭我們的這三個生命劇場其實很多人看完都是熱淚盈眶\n\n02:06.906 --> 02:25.829\n那當然我們在日本的時候其實包括早晚我們也跟這個黃世芳董事長討論過是不是能夠把這個展出的內容回到台灣來巡展那我當然要具體的建議如果可以巡展的話其實高雄已經準備好了我昨天也跟我們的市長在盤點\n\n02:26.871 --> 02:40.873\n高雄可能可以來提供的場域是不是這個部長你也能夠在這裡承諾一下有沒有可能把這個展整個展出的內容文化的元素回到台灣來做巡展\n\n02:41.704 --> 03:01.080\n報告委員我們的確是有這樣的考量所以我才會去試博一趟那行政院也有這樣的考量然後我們現在正在規劃就是說因為它尤其是第一個項目它高要9公尺所以說我們必須要選擇地點還有它的展期的時間\n\n03:02.987 --> 03:16.748\n還有它的這個內容要怎麼樣來呈現所以的確是有這樣的規劃當然有很多委員還有民眾也有建議包括要不要配合燈會或是巡迴您剛剛提到的巡迴這個我們都會一併的考量\n\n03:17.728 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