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00:03:25,400\n那我接下來想請教一下那個李署長因為最近有一個案子就是針對那個之前跟\n\n11\n00:03:26,648 --> 00:03:52,109\n漁民的一個衝突啦那你出來做協調然後結果法院後來就在過程當中提到說你要那個廠商這邊service一下那這個字眼的時候讓大家會有很多的聯想然後就覺得說好像當時的能源局副局長你現在能源署的署長出來喬事針對這個部分你可不可以具體做一個說明跟澄清\n\n12\n00:03:52,629 --> 00:04:18,628\n首先那是因為民眾抗爭所以雲林縣政府希望我們是中央目的世界主管機關去協調這件事那整個會議是公開的當時除了漁會縣政府議長的代表那麼縣議員還有這個漁權會漁會都在所以當時是一個非常多人公開的會議那我們是主管機關是有協調責任而且協調的成果是\n\n13\n00:04:19,228 --> 00:04:44,790\n成功的後來雙方也以這個協調去那我為什麼會在這個地方特別提這個問題就你這樣有一個簡單的澄清就是我只是要特別講說說實話你出來做這個協調喬試著這個狀態來講說坦白說我覺得很像民意代表在做的事情然後能夠解決問題就是好事啦我基本上態度是這樣子可是我要特別講的一個狀態就是說現在整個綠能有很多一個亂象包括我們剛剛\n\n14\n00:04:45,590 --> 00:05:00,743\n張起來議員他也問到了很多相關的部分光電的問題風電的問題都會有很多的亂象可是我覺得亂象裡面有一個很大的一個癥結點就是因為政府把很多要跟地方溝通的問題都丟給了開發商去做\n\n15\n00:05:01,687 --> 00:05:22,525\n那這當中就會出現很多很多的問題之前在郭部長在的時候呢我跟他溝通過這個事情那他當時為了要解決這樣子的一個可能產生的糾紛他把法務部拉到一個溝通平台當中來那這是一個點可是我要特別講的狀態是說如果說我們現在把這問題都丟給開放去做這種問題會層出不窮\n\n16\n00:05:24,706 --> 00:05:49,420\n就是署長要不斷的出來扮演這種協調者的角色不斷要講說要開發商相關的爭議的對象我覺得這都不是一個好事情那我覺得能源署經濟部這邊是整個能源的主管機關我們在發展綠能過程當中的時候是不是能夠把這些溝通的動作先做好到時候要怎麼樣的去回饋變成之後招商當中的一個部分的條件\n\n17\n00:05:50,618 --> 00:06:10,464\n是不是有可能朝這方面去做避免之後不斷的產生各種的一個糾紛跟衝突是我們會照這個原則事實上這個案開發案也是先跟漁民溝通好了那他是之前的溝通的時候呢法院的判決他有特別講出來因為都只跟漁會講可是漁會這邊就用了一個\n\n18\n00:06:12,864 --> 00:06:41,779\n便宜的形式的做法的時候讓真正在做捕撈會受到影響的漁民沒有太大的發言權而用一些比方說陸地漁溫的一個漁民大量的狀態去稀釋這狀態所以這是溝通當中的一個技術性的問題那我希望就是能源署這邊你剛也承諾要從這個方向去做我們希望能夠把這溝通的部分成本溝通好變成以後開發商在招標當中的一個成本\n\n19\n00:06:42,259 --> 00:07:07,104\n就不會產生後續這麼多的一個糾紛了解謝謝委員長那他這個案事實上我們是取得漁會的同意有溝通好不過漁會裡面有不同意見的人那這些人事實上是在漁會裡面不同意見的但是整個代表漁會的整個單位是同意的那這個部分我們希望說能源署這邊經濟部這邊能夠把這個部分做得更好因為我們接下來還有很多那個綠能計畫\n\n20\n00:07:08,664 --> 00:07:35,192\n那個郭部長雖然他一直講說台灣不缺能源可是絕對缺綠能這個部分所以我們接下來要怎麼把這綠能發展起來也是一個很重要的部分那我最後還有一個問題我想請教一下那個龔部長因為昨天就是國發會的主委他在針對那個國發會業務報告當中的時候他直接提到了就是矽光子的產業要落腳在高雄\n\n21\n00:07:36,292 --> 00:07:43,577\n那經濟部是在矽光的產業的一個主管的機關確定已經有這樣子的一個政策出來了嗎\n\n22\n00:07:45,250 --> 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何安慧把這個問題推到經濟部這邊所以我希望經濟部這邊能夠有一個更積極的一個作為那這個部分你之後可以再跟本辦公室提出一個我們經濟部目前針對這個部分怎麼樣去做一個規劃跟發展的一個進程好不好\n196351\t205400\t那我接下來想請教一下那個李署長因為最近有一個案子就是針對那個之前跟\n206648\t232109\t漁民的一個衝突啦那你出來做協調然後結果法院後來就在過程當中提到說你要那個廠商這邊service一下那這個字眼的時候讓大家會有很多的聯想然後就覺得說好像當時的能源局副局長你現在能源署的署長出來喬事針對這個部分你可不可以具體做一個說明跟澄清\n232629\t258628\t首先那是因為民眾抗爭所以雲林縣政府希望我們是中央目的世界主管機關去協調這件事那整個會議是公開的當時除了漁會縣政府議長的代表那麼縣議員還有這個漁權會漁會都在所以當時是一個非常多人公開的會議那我們是主管機關是有協調責任而且協調的成果是\n259228\t284790\t成功的後來雙方也以這個協調去那我為什麼會在這個地方特別提這個問題就你這樣有一個簡單的澄清就是我只是要特別講說說實話你出來做這個協調喬試著這個狀態來講說坦白說我覺得很像民意代表在做的事情然後能夠解決問題就是好事啦我基本上態度是這樣子可是我要特別講的一個狀態就是說現在整個綠能有很多一個亂象包括我們剛剛\n285590\t300743\t張起來議員他也問到了很多相關的部分光電的問題風電的問題都會有很多的亂象可是我覺得亂象裡面有一個很大的一個癥結點就是因為政府把很多要跟地方溝通的問題都丟給了開發商去做\n301687\t322525\t那這當中就會出現很多很多的問題之前在郭部長在的時候呢我跟他溝通過這個事情那他當時為了要解決這樣子的一個可能產生的糾紛他把法務部拉到一個溝通平台當中來那這是一個點可是我要特別講的狀態是說如果說我們現在把這問題都丟給開放去做這種問題會層出不窮\n324706\t349420\t就是署長要不斷的出來扮演這種協調者的角色不斷要講說要開發商相關的爭議的對象我覺得這都不是一個好事情那我覺得能源署經濟部這邊是整個能源的主管機關我們在發展綠能過程當中的時候是不是能夠把這些溝通的動作先做好到時候要怎麼樣的去回饋變成之後招商當中的一個部分的條件\n350618\t370464\t是不是有可能朝這方面去做避免之後不斷的產生各種的一個糾紛跟衝突是 我們會照這個原則事實上這個案開發案也是先跟漁民溝通好了那他是之前的溝通的時候呢法院的判決他有特別講出來因為都只跟漁會講可是漁會這邊就用了一個\n372864\t401779\t便宜的形式的做法的時候讓真正在做捕撈會受到影響的漁民沒有太大的發言權而用一些比方說陸地漁溫的一個漁民大量的狀態去稀釋這狀態所以這是溝通當中的一個技術性的問題那我希望就是能源署這邊你剛也承諾要從這個方向去做我們希望能夠把這溝通的部分成本溝通好變成以後開發商在招標當中的一個成本\n402259\t427104\t就不會產生後續這麼多的一個糾紛了解 謝謝委員長那他這個案事實上我們是取得漁會的同意有溝通好不過漁會裡面有不同意見的人那這些人事實上是在漁會裡面不同意見的但是整個代表漁會的整個單位是同意的那這個部分我們希望說能源署這邊經濟部這邊能夠把這個部分做得更好因為我們接下來還有很多那個綠能計畫\n428664\t455192\t那個郭部長雖然他一直講說台灣不缺能源可是絕對缺綠能這個部分所以我們接下來要怎麼把這綠能發展起來也是一個很重要的部分那我最後還有一個問題我想請教一下那個龔部長因為昨天就是國發會的主委他在針對那個國發會業務報告當中的時候他直接提到了就是矽光子的產業要落腳在高雄\n456292\t463577\t那經濟部是在矽光的產業的一個主管的機關確定已經有這樣子的一個政策出來了嗎\n465250\t486676\t因為它是有一個計畫這個計畫大家主要外在我想媒體也有講主要是AMD的一個計畫那這個計畫是申請了我們Aplus計畫那這個計畫會落腳因為它的這個研發的據點那個計畫AMD的計畫落腳在高雄還是整個矽光的產業要落腳在高雄\n487256\t503702\t因為矽光石它是會支援高階的封裝所有的半導體很多它都會用到所以不會只有一個地方因為本席要特別講說因為我如果聽到整個矽光產業要整個落腳在高雄我就會有點擔心\n504502\t522271\t因為目前矽光子這部分基本上就是光電跟半導體這邊要結合相關的一些技術那目前半導體跟光電很多的重要的技術跟矽光子現在產業都在北部在新竹在新北這個地方所以我們擔心如果說整個矽光子的產業要落腳在高雄的部分的時候會不會造成產業的一個\n524772\t552941\t產業鏈的一個當被一個撕裂的部分那如果部長現在講說只是一個AMD的計畫在高雄的時候那很多北部的矽光子產業還是繼續在走應該是這樣的狀態嗎當然因為他現在已經跨到產業可以開始可能快再過幾年就會有商船的這個機會了所以很多的計畫已經在很多的這個企業界在做研發也好或者是商業化的一些過程了\n554178\t568777\t因為現在矽光的主要幾個企業包括光環 波羅威其實都在新竹比方說創威在新北其實都還是在北部這部分所以我們希望說這整個矽光的產業當中不是說整個經濟部就是要基於什麼產業\n570179\t570720\t好非常感謝喔\n","txt":"謝謝謝主席我想先請一下經濟部工部長我們再請工部長還有我們能源署的理署長能源署是\n部長好部長好那個我在想說就是台灣的能源其實確實是大家都關心產業界關心民眾都關心那經常在講說從108年台灣AI行動計畫開始發展之後算力就變成大家生活當中很重要的部分包括\n產業特別的關心所以我們常常在講說 算力就是國力可是問題是 算力它依賴很大的一個能源所以電力也是國力我想這兩句話 我想部長應該都不會反對啦OK 好\n因為卓院長跟賴總統他們目前也都很明確的說就是不排除新核能這件事情對不對那我想說因為我們現在台灣已經沒有核能了已經進入一個無核能的狀態那我想關心一下SMR這個部分那目前核安會明年是有1億的預算未來4年有8億只有8億\n那我在想說我們之前我問過河安會這邊的時候他提到說這是能源政策的問題推到經濟部這邊來所以我想藉這個機會所來請教一下部長我們在這個SMR的能源賽道當中怎麼樣子可以不掉隊可以能夠持續站在全球一個比較領先的一個地位可不可以請部長回答一下\n辦公委員第一個就是說我們還是會持續國際性它現在的發展狀態這個我們還是持續觀察那海岸衛的部分他們是有一些研究在研究這個方面就目前僅是一個研究嘛就是中國大陸2026年SMR要商轉\n韓國2030年預計要商轉所以說我就在這個部分當中說台灣就是明年才有一億台幣的預算今年韓國就投入一億美元的一個資金在這個部分那我們怎麼樣在這個部分不要掉隊太多\n我今天的關心點在這個地方因為現在它的這個SMR它的運作方式採用的材料等等的一些情況事實上有很大的不同冷卻方式也有很多的不同那我們現在在密切觀察說什麼樣的型態比較適合台灣\n這個部分因為他說還在一個很出奇的一個狀態因為本席是覺得說台灣這部分感覺走得不夠快我問何安慧 何安慧把這個問題推到經濟部這邊所以我希望經濟部這邊能夠有一個更積極的一個作為那這個部分你之後可以再跟本辦公室提出一個我們經濟部目前針對這個部分怎麼樣去做一個規劃跟發展的一個進程好不好\n那我接下來想請教一下那個李署長因為最近有一個案子就是針對那個之前跟\n漁民的一個衝突啦那你出來做協調然後結果法院後來就在過程當中提到說你要那個廠商這邊service一下那這個字眼的時候讓大家會有很多的聯想然後就覺得說好像當時的能源局副局長你現在能源署的署長出來喬事針對這個部分你可不可以具體做一個說明跟澄清\n首先那是因為民眾抗爭所以雲林縣政府希望我們是中央目的世界主管機關去協調這件事那整個會議是公開的當時除了漁會縣政府議長的代表那麼縣議員還有這個漁權會漁會都在所以當時是一個非常多人公開的會議那我們是主管機關是有協調責任而且協調的成果是\n成功的後來雙方也以這個協調去那我為什麼會在這個地方特別提這個問題就你這樣有一個簡單的澄清就是我只是要特別講說說實話你出來做這個協調喬試著這個狀態來講說坦白說我覺得很像民意代表在做的事情然後能夠解決問題就是好事啦我基本上態度是這樣子可是我要特別講的一個狀態就是說現在整個綠能有很多一個亂象包括我們剛剛\n張起來議員他也問到了很多相關的部分光電的問題風電的問題都會有很多的亂象可是我覺得亂象裡面有一個很大的一個癥結點就是因為政府把很多要跟地方溝通的問題都丟給了開發商去做\n那這當中就會出現很多很多的問題之前在郭部長在的時候呢我跟他溝通過這個事情那他當時為了要解決這樣子的一個可能產生的糾紛他把法務部拉到一個溝通平台當中來那這是一個點可是我要特別講的狀態是說如果說我們現在把這問題都丟給開放去做這種問題會層出不窮\n就是署長要不斷的出來扮演這種協調者的角色不斷要講說要開發商相關的爭議的對象我覺得這都不是一個好事情那我覺得能源署經濟部這邊是整個能源的主管機關我們在發展綠能過程當中的時候是不是能夠把這些溝通的動作先做好到時候要怎麼樣的去回饋變成之後招商當中的一個部分的條件\n是不是有可能朝這方面去做避免之後不斷的產生各種的一個糾紛跟衝突是 我們會照這個原則事實上這個案開發案也是先跟漁民溝通好了那他是之前的溝通的時候呢法院的判決他有特別講出來因為都只跟漁會講可是漁會這邊就用了一個\n便宜的形式的做法的時候讓真正在做捕撈會受到影響的漁民沒有太大的發言權而用一些比方說陸地漁溫的一個漁民大量的狀態去稀釋這狀態所以這是溝通當中的一個技術性的問題那我希望就是能源署這邊你剛也承諾要從這個方向去做我們希望能夠把這溝通的部分成本溝通好變成以後開發商在招標當中的一個成本\n就不會產生後續這麼多的一個糾紛了解 謝謝委員長那他這個案事實上我們是取得漁會的同意有溝通好不過漁會裡面有不同意見的人那這些人事實上是在漁會裡面不同意見的但是整個代表漁會的整個單位是同意的那這個部分我們希望說能源署這邊經濟部這邊能夠把這個部分做得更好因為我們接下來還有很多那個綠能計畫\n那個郭部長雖然他一直講說台灣不缺能源可是絕對缺綠能這個部分所以我們接下來要怎麼把這綠能發展起來也是一個很重要的部分那我最後還有一個問題我想請教一下那個龔部長因為昨天就是國發會的主委他在針對那個國發會業務報告當中的時候他直接提到了就是矽光子的產業要落腳在高雄\n那經濟部是在矽光的產業的一個主管的機關確定已經有這樣子的一個政策出來了嗎\n因為它是有一個計畫這個計畫大家主要外在我想媒體也有講主要是AMD的一個計畫那這個計畫是申請了我們Aplus計畫那這個計畫會落腳因為它的這個研發的據點那個計畫AMD的計畫落腳在高雄還是整個矽光的產業要落腳在高雄\n因為矽光石它是會支援高階的封裝所有的半導體很多它都會用到所以不會只有一個地方因為本席要特別講說因為我如果聽到整個矽光產業要整個落腳在高雄我就會有點擔心\n因為目前矽光子這部分基本上就是光電跟半導體這邊要結合相關的一些技術那目前半導體跟光電很多的重要的技術跟矽光子現在產業都在北部在新竹在新北這個地方所以我們擔心如果說整個矽光子的產業要落腳在高雄的部分的時候會不會造成產業的一個\n產業鏈的一個當被一個撕裂的部分那如果部長現在講說只是一個AMD的計畫在高雄的時候那很多北部的矽光子產業還是繼續在走應該是這樣的狀態嗎當然因為他現在已經跨到產業可以開始可能快再過幾年就會有商船的這個機會了所以很多的計畫已經在很多的這個企業界在做研發也好或者是商業化的一些過程了\n因為現在矽光的主要幾個企業包括光環 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