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00:01:09,210\n是不是你不會抱院長的梗還是抱總統的梗不是因為這個是我們努力的目標啦15%是你努力的目標是不是是整個這個談判團隊本來就努力的目標嘛那對美的投資是3000億還是4000億\n\n4\n00:01:13,411 --> 00:01:35,479\n這個我就沒有辦法知道是嗎政府部門公部門因為這個因為投資的部分還是由民間對主要是民間為主台積電相關的台積電是其中之一對還有生態系啊是不是還有那個EMS啊AIServer的一些廠商啊\n\n5\n00:01:36,392 --> 00:01:50,359\n所以還有EMSAIServer的廠商都會去是不是對他們有這樣的表達他們原來就在墨西哥那所以台灣廠商赴美投資有可能就是會超過三天一樓\n\n6\n00:01:52,685 --> 00:02:06,723\n這個就要看廠商的盤點了拜託你們早就在統計了經濟部一定都在統計啦是但是這個還是個別廠商還是由個別廠商來宣布比較妥當\n\n7\n00:02:07,731 --> 00:02:36,220\n那川普說台積電的你不用管那你台積電以外的相關的工業那麼多你進一步管不到嗎是不是所以那未來我們是支持他們的未來我是說未來那整體我們對美投資就是以台積電為主的這樣子的相關策略到底是決定在台灣還是決定在美國\n\n8\n00:02:37,520 --> 00:02:57,532\n决定在台积电是不是决定在台湾台积电对以台湾为主是不是当然了立足台湾布局全球对是以台积电为主是不是会不会就是因为大家在担心的就是台积电会不会变成美积电不会是不是绝对不会\n\n9\n00:02:58,492 --> 00:03:24,817\n你要做出什么样的做法你有什么样的做法让它不会变成美积电跟委员报告台积电事实上最多的产能最先进的技术最占钱的厂全部都在台湾所以它在台湾会持续的投资而且台积电的董事长魏哲嘉先生他也不断的说在台湾的投资的进程都没有改变比如说它在\n\n10\n00:03:26,738 --> 00:03:54,477\n高雄的部分台中的部分这个已经宣布的部分这个东西你已经说了就是说台湾既有的以及就是供应全球的还有我们N-1带的嘛这个东西对不对但是我们有个问题是去年的数字看起来我们台人赴美去工作就高达了12.8万人\n\n11\n00:03:55,592 --> 00:04:12,061\n那代表了就是是歷史性高喔那代表了整個就是半導體的相關的供應鏈鳳梅的確造成了我們人才外移的這樣一個現象你怎麼樣子減緩\n\n12\n00:04:13,853 --> 00:04:28,600\n報委員據我了解就是說昨天國發會主委他說他說他的朋友也常常就是在台積電工作他們都不想去美國啊那可是問題是如果整個供應鏈\n\n13\n00:04:29,801 --> 00:04:56,339\n就是說都往美國去的時候那我們台灣的人才怎麼留在本地然後我們又希望吸引AI的相關的業者廠商進台灣來那要把整個AI未來的供應鏈都放在台灣能夠讓它在台灣落腳那在這樣子的情況下如果我們的人才一直外移那怎麼樣子\n\n14\n00:04:57,580 --> 00:05:24,395\n能夠確保我們台灣未來在AI的發展上有相關的競爭力呢報告委員通常人才做全球布局它是循環性的先前的幹部比如說他建廠的時候他一定把他會蓋廠的這個這個VP也好或是什麼先派去等到他想蓋好以後他會調回來的或是先前幹部他會先在這邊做處理處理完以後他會回來\n\n15\n00:05:25,636 --> 00:05:52,264\n所以說他人才會一直循環的不會一直待在那邊所以你認為12.8萬是高峰會不會再更高這個數據我可能要再了解一下去年12月的12.8萬是不是高峰我可能要再了解一下未來會不會往下降因為我不了解這12萬到底他的內涵是怎麼樣我可能要再了解一下才能跟您報告\n\n16\n00:05:53,416 --> 00:06:13,104\n所以你也不確定可是我們必須要解決的就是我們的人才外流的這個情況嗎但是我們現在為了招攬國外人才是非常非常的積極的所以有很多包括剛才有很多的外商來這裡設立研發中心我們也期待說他把\n\n17\n00:06:14,384 --> 00:06:38,613\n有什麼外商來設立研發中心有啊包括NVIDIAAMD啊這個重要的廠商都是啊還有微軟啊Google啊美光啊這些都是啊就是它會帶動就是他們會有他們會有部分的是從外國來的嘛可是他們其實還是期待我們台灣能夠協助他們就是高階的人才啊\n\n18\n00:06:39,073 --> 00:06:54,250\n他只有部分啦是啊是啊我們去美國投資也是要應用當地的人才啊對啊也是希望啊所以這個有幾樣的道理啊所以台積電的就是說在美社廠的會讓美國的台積電的人才來台灣受訓是不是\n\n19\n00:06:55,849 --> 00:07:18,603\n有一部分好像會是這樣子是不是來台灣受訓會不會還有昨天我們去車撤中心那看到了就是一些車用電子的部分還有就是汽車零組件的那在這一次的美國關稅當中其實汽車零組件受創的也非常嚴重那未來\n\n20\n00:07:19,884 --> 00:07:42,615\n我們怎麼樣子協助這些汽車零組件能夠擴大就是說海外的市場那當然除了美國以外其他地區以我們半導體就是ICT相關的這樣子的一個領先的技術有沒有辦法協助我們國內的廠商搶到國際的訂單有沒有\n\n21\n00:07:46,713 --> 00:08:05,690\n報告委員我們的汽車零組件主要是aftermarket就是說等於是維修換零件那是我們非常強這個模式跟其他的競爭對手比較不一樣像韓國跟日本他們主要的零組件區域那邊工藝是要組裝成乘車的他不是\n\n22\n00:08:06,270 --> 00:08:31,393\n不是经营这个aftermarket的那我们是所以市场上是有一点点区隔的但是免不了因为你关税提升还是会受到伤害所以我们尽量帮可能可以脱销市场或是贷款上可以利息的减免或者是他用AI的技术来提升他的这个研发也好或者是转型也好这个我们也都会来支持那自驾车的部分呢自驾车的部分呢\n\n23\n00:08:32,779 --> 00:08:44,127\n自駕車你說無人自駕車無人自駕車我們現在還在實行那無人自駕的汽車零件呢示範當中對美的部分我們有辦法嗎\n\n24\n00:08:45,331 --> 00:09:04,331\n我们现在是有导入部分的零组件是在美国的就是它在次系统里面的零组件而已我们可能现在次系统的部分可能还是在做示范性实验像ASDA相关的我们有办法打进去吗\n\n25\n00:09:04,531 --> 00:09:16,622\n我們現在當然希望就是透過這個經濟部兩個署他們的這個計畫不管是業界科專或法蘭科專就希望把這個次系統的部分把它\n\n26\n00:09:17,571 --> 00:09:37,437\n把它做起來了你才有辦法去出口到別的國家去把它模組以後出口到別的國家去是比較好的那上一次你說到了稀土是不會影響但是其實稀土還是有可能影響到我們的對不對我們半導體還有相關的無人機的相關的發展嗎\n\n27\n00:09:41,658 --> 00:10:01,319\n会不会会间接的影响会尤其是无人机因为它用的这个吸毒比较是泳池性的相关嘛那导致制造业的部分因为半导体的部分导致它现在这一次禁止的部分是没有半导体制成那个部分需要的是是啊\n\n28\n00:10:01,579 --> 00:10:14,307\n跟蓝这个稀土它是没有进的是比较好但是那个部分所以我才说我们自己还是要有警觉自己透过回收的方式也好或者是我们开始做精炼或者是\n\n29\n00:10:16,452 --> 00:10:34,838\n有一个保存量我们自己供应的保存量希望在2030年可以满足我们自己的三分之一上的一些需求我们还是会做那国际供应链的部分因为我们本来是国际供应链的需求者所以我们也会配合国际供应链的相关的一些调整的做法好谢谢\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n89\t4492\t請鄭一鋒委員請做詢問好 謝謝主席我想要請工部長我們再請工部長\n27244\t50776\t謝偉銘好部長我想請教一下就是現在大家還是最關注的就是關稅的問題那到底美國關稅會不會有可能從28%降到15%你有沒有信心我們持續的努力當中方向上還是你被壽命不可以講你不可以爆點\n52239\t69210\t是不是 你不會抱院長的梗還是抱總統的梗不是 因為這個是我們努力的目標啦15%是你努力的目標是不是是整個這個談判團隊本來就努力的目標嘛那對美的投資是3000億還是4000億\n73411\t95479\t這個我就沒有辦法知道是嗎政府部門公部門因為這個因為投資的部分還是由民間對主要是民間為主台積電相關的台積電是其中之一對還有生態系啊是不是還有那個EMS啊AI Server的一些廠商啊\n96392\t110359\t所以還有EMS AI Server的廠商都會去是不是對 他們有這樣的表達他們原來就在墨西哥那所以台灣廠商赴美投資有可能就是會超過三天一樓\n112685\t126723\t這個就要看廠商的盤點了拜託 你們早就在統計了經濟部一定都在統計啦是 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