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00:01:36,901\n大概過去幾個月來分播有不同的藝人當然可能有一些因為昨天這一波因為藝人的名氣比較大所以引起社會比較高的關注我在這邊提出來的畫面就是昨天這幾位藝人都是上銬具體檔案甚至傳出其中有一個修杰凱他是在家裡面還有小孩\n\n5\n00:01:44,986 --> 00:02:05,531\n那傳出說他是在家中上銬然後小孩都很害怕但是另外一方面我在上面提出來的這個新聞畫面也是今年5月間其實就有一波藝人也是同樣的是辦同樣的案子也是閃兵也是假\n\n6\n00:02:06,351 --> 00:02:13,054\n那個就是假造這個相關的體檢報告那這裡面包含陳大天陳玲九還有李全好那這個畫面就可以看得出來當時呢他們沒有上銬有的就這樣子很輕我想也不是輕鬆啦心裡不會輕鬆啦可是在畫面上就不會像昨天大家看到的畫面好很狼狽就故意用外套那個把它遮起來\n\n7\n00:02:31,681 --> 00:02:35,222\n好所以我想請教一下就是就我們在具體相關的這個犯罪嫌疑人或者這個罪犯被告的相關的使用借據那當然這裡面有警察有檢察官當然有法院那我想請問一下副秘書長我們使用這個借據上銬到底有沒有一定的標準因為我在看這個同樣的一個案件\n\n8\n00:03:00,149 --> 00:03:04,211\n也同樣是藝人那只是也許他的名氣大或名氣小不一樣那當然可能這個以警察來講要看現場的狀況他會不會抗拒或者他會不會傷害會不會攻擊警察但是看起來這幾波都沒有這樣的狀況所以我想請問副秘書長我們是否有曾經針對使用這個借據來逮捕拘提\n\n9\n00:03:26,801 --> 00:03:30,586\n有沒有一個相關的一致性比較一致性的做法\n\n10\n00:03:31,870 --> 00:03:58,477\n首先向委員報告就是有關於這個使用戒具的實施辦法它那個是由法務部所訂的對我知道對這是法務部所訂的那委員剛剛那個垂詢的那個相關案例都是在那個偵查那個階段就是在那個警察在那個逮捕那個人的時候的那個情況所以這個在你們法院也會使用戒具啊以你們法院使用戒具你們相關的標準是什麼呢\n\n11\n00:04:00,659 --> 00:04:28,595\n好謝謝法院委員的詢詢我知道法院使用借據也不能只有在法警的執行辦法裡面有那要看當時的情形是否被告有沒有逃亡或是當時的狀況他可能有脫逃的情形是要來使用借據那原則上可是我現在看起來你們因為現在有很多一些知名案例在這個在那個新聞影片上都播出來在法警的體檢的時候是一定要使用借據\n\n12\n00:04:29,269 --> 00:04:50,761\n因為他是從監所裡面提到所以你們現在在法院在法院裡面法警的這個提審的時候提解的時候是一定使用借據的一定都要使用借據那在法院以內呢都是一定使用借據嗎對在法院使用借據等他入庭之後要開始承受我們會把借據打開\n\n13\n00:04:52,582 --> 00:05:06,819\n所以在法院所以基本上在司法院裡面上不上考你們的標準是完全一致的嗎是一致的就是沒有例外沒有例外因為它是從看守所或者是監所裡面體檢出來的人犯我們一定上考\n\n14\n00:05:07,689 --> 00:05:15,411\n所以你們是完全沒有例外因為我覺得很多就是該辦的案子就去辦但是呢因為像這種是眾人矚目然後看到相關的就是畫面的時候那就有人提出為什麼同樣的案情那有人上銬有人沒有上銬我覺得這就是我們的這個執法的標準另外一件事這個當然也是法務部在修法但是呢\n\n15\n00:05:34,757 --> 00:05:42,361\n最近也得到很多社會大眾的相關的關切也就是違罪重罰我們最近有一些案例就是這個清潔員他把清潔隊隊員他把人家不要的電鍋轉送給一個老婦最後他就以貪污治罪條例來起訴他他現在正在跑法院\n\n16\n00:06:02,230 --> 00:06:29,551\n那過去也有比如警察就是像交警的部分也是受到上層的這個壓力或上層的要求然後把一個罰單他可能用比較輕的讓他罰錢罰得少一些那錢都沒有拿到他自己的口袋他可能基於上層的人情的壓力那他本來就是比較重的但是他開罰單的時候他就開一個就罰\n\n17\n00:06:32,413 --> 00:06:48,632\n罰款金額比較少的然後因此呢也觸犯了貪污自罪條例然後工作通通沒有了所以這一連串這一連串的事情啊被現在社會大眾尤其是基層的公務體系\n\n18\n00:06:50,673 --> 00:06:54,515\n開始大家討論說這樣就是我們的司法資源也非常非常的稀少我們的檢察官應該照理講他那個辦案那個什麼辦案的量很大才對那麼像這樣違罪重罰的要不要符合相關的比例原則\n\n19\n00:07:10,960 --> 00:07:36,089\n現在看到在網路上也開始有做這個相關的公民的提案這裡面比如說什麼0到5萬應該減輕其刑或者免刑等等那我想請問一下司法院針對現在在社會上現在大家普遍在討論或關心的這個違罪重罰的狀況你們有沒有什麼樣的立場\n\n20\n00:07:39,929 --> 00:08:09,185\n那個首先跟委員報告因為那個法官一定是那個依法獨立審判所以說我們一定要依據那個法律那至於說這相關的這個貪污自罪條例呢就是說他現行的這個規定是不是那個周延我想這個都有很多那個討論那那個法務部在九月的時候所發的那個新聞稿因為貪污自罪條例的主責機關是法務部他們發的新聞稿又說針對小額的貪污案件呢\n\n21\n00:08:09,765 --> 00:08:25,585\n會去修這個貪污自罪那個條例來符合那個罪責那個相當所以法務部他們有在啟動這個部分的修法所以你們同意嗎我們贊同的你們也贊同就是也可以減輕在法院這一端對於這種非常\n\n22\n00:08:28,148 --> 00:08:47,977\n這種小的案件搞不好也許法官也是有同情像這樣的案件但是他必須要去受理有一些因為只要像基層的公務員只要他碰到這些相關的他最後連工作都沒有了連退休金都沒有了像我剛剛講的除了這個這個企業隊員可能是最近觸動很多民眾討論最多的一個case\n\n23\n00:08:55,620 --> 00:09:04,623\n那之前也有其實我也有收到陳情就是小小的基層這個基層的警察他就是因為開一個罰單上面有些就說就不要讓他罰那麼重啦就這樣子\n\n24\n00:09:11,306 --> 00:09:23,161\n然後他就處罰了然後變成他連工作都沒有所以我覺得在執法者人在衙門好修行啦另外一個就是同樣的我們一直在討論的就是這個交保啊到底\n\n25\n00:09:28,607 --> 00:09:50,984\n就是要交保的話交保金額到底是怎麼樣才是合理還有無保請回的它的標準又是什麼而這樣子會不會成為一個犯罪的破口最近因為你們發生的這個是監察院彈劾你們的法官針對中文制逃跑的事件\n\n26\n00:09:51,804 --> 00:10:20,201\n那另外我其實我自己本身非常關心因為南京三民站就是我的選區那麼最近台鐵出現在台鐵就是眾目睽睽之下有女性被性侵了而且還是有個外籍旅客那與此同時呢在南京三民站晚上10點在台北市老蔣晚上10點不算太晚因為他就是去倒垃圾就是去倒垃圾\n\n27\n00:10:21,101 --> 00:10:38,162\n到垃圾的時候呢被一個街友在那邊脫褲子漏鳥然後就抓他要到暗箱去就是準備要性侵好這個案件呢竟然最後呢是被吳寶請回啊裁定吳寶請回\n\n28\n00:10:41,105 --> 00:11:00,381\n這個案子我真的就不懂了他裁定無保請回之後我們的選區大家就緊張啦這個案子發生了然後你再請回他是不是又讓他放回到街頭會不會再有下一個受害人這種無保請回到底你們的標準是什麼\n\n29\n00:11:01,501 --> 00:11:26,671\n還有這個過去我們一直說打詐打詐這個用釣魚簡訊的打詐集團成員當然他是專門開車啦那這樣的一個成員最後也無保請回這案子也無保請回我真的就覺得說這種所謂的無保請回\n\n30\n00:11:28,482 --> 00:11:44,795\n前一陣子發生的在土城直接殺了他的太太殺了他的這個小姨子也是一樣啊這個違反這個家暴令然後一樣無保請回所以我想請問一下有保無保保釋金到底是多少請問一下\n\n31\n00:11:52,642 --> 00:12:15,217\n在法官在你們法院這一端你們的標準是什麼好我再舉一個例子這個傘兵就昨天的傘兵也有50萬50萬35萬有不同的交保我也不大懂這個不同因為他們的案情都完全一模一樣你是以他的財力嗎還是以他的知名度嗎我不懂有50萬50萬有35萬交保的\n\n32\n00:12:18,519 --> 00:12:34,953\n好那館長陳之漢因為他在直播的時候說要斬首總統用15萬給他交保我就不懂這15萬你們到底橫著是什麼橫著他會被跑掉是嗎那會被跑掉就是還是橫著他的財力嗎\n\n33\n00:12:36,494 --> 00:13:00,182\n那像這些案子我們在今年有很多政治性案件國民黨的台北市黨部主委黃禮錦如他偽造文書案這個也是五年以下一千萬交保一千萬交保那個散兵那個罪行也不輕喔最重他也可能到七年或者是五年以下\n\n34\n00:13:03,513 --> 00:13:29,218\n50萬、50萬、35萬交保所以我就不懂你們這個交保金額是以他犯罪情節的重大與否他的刑度還是以你認為他會不會跑掉還是以你可能認為他會跑掉但是呢你要橫著他的財力那在這邊我講到這些人你說他財力差很多嗎沒有差很多啊\n\n35\n00:13:30,751 --> 00:13:52,470\n而且有人講黃麗瑾如是貴婦可是演藝人員她也有一定的財力所以我的意思就是說你們的交不交保跟交保金額到底差距在哪裡以我來看都已經落鳥仕途性侵在大街上仕途性侵了你卻可以完全無保請回沒事\n\n36\n00:13:53,542 --> 00:14:15,877\n涉及炸雞集團幫炸雞集團開車也一樣無保請回所以副秘書長我可不可以請問法院我們不是法律人但是我們都關心法律那我們看到不就是一般老百姓來看我不懂啊什麼樣案件你可以完全的無保請回\n\n37\n00:14:16,818 --> 00:14:28,169\n那你可能讓他下一次下一次可能再犯而且這是我們最關心的婦女的安全或者詐欺你卻可以無保請回請問一下你們的標準到底是什麼\n\n38\n00:14:29,912 --> 00:14:58,121\n那個謝謝委員垂詢首先就那個委員關心南京三民那個案件因為我們真的不是陳審法官我們手上現在完全沒有那個卷證那所以說這個案件呢就是第一個當然他第一個要看的是他涉及的罪名就是說他涉及的罪名到底現在依卷證所呈現的到底是一個公然猥褻還是有到那個性侵我們這個我們並不知道那如果說是他涉及侵罪是三年以下的話那在刑訴113條\n\n39\n00:14:59,821 --> 00:15:19,592\n他要那個只要那個當事人申請那個交保的時候呢這是那個有法律規定這是就是他並不是直接就會進入到那個羈押那所以就是說簡單來講就是委員所講的這一些那個你沒有羈押你也完全沒有交保就是你就放回去沒事了放回去\n\n40\n00:15:20,612 --> 00:15:45,265\n所以我知道你每個都講說因為我們不是成城法官但是我們看到這一個又一個案例而且這都是在我們身邊的喔我今天跟你討論的還不是一些政治性的案例政治性案例我看起來這個交保不交保金額我也看不出來你們的標準到底是什麼但是我現在更在意的這個南京三民站就是我選區嘛你就把它放掉了放掉大家就害怕了嘛\n\n41\n00:15:47,005 --> 00:16:09,499\n大家就害怕啊所以我真的拜託我們都尊重法官司法獨立但是你們獨立成這樣啊獨立成司法沒有辦法保護良善的老百姓基本的婦女安全都沒有辦法保護最近連續發生的事情有人會覺得婦女在台北市安全嗎\n\n42\n00:16:12,011 --> 00:16:35,384\n然後已經都已經可以都已經進入司法還是可以這樣子直接這樣五寶請回直接放回街頭所以我要拜託就是請請我們司法院你們一直修這些法老實說啊這些法我老實講我看起來不重要因為你跟我們\n\n43\n00:16:36,425 --> 00:16:52,429\n人民啊期待跟人民的財產跟人民的人身安全保障你們太遙遠了以前說恐龍法官到現在恐龍法官繼續存在啊如果這是你的太太如果這是你的女兒你會這樣子嗎對不起\n\n44\n00:16:59,147 --> 00:17:10,504\n我馬上好好所以請你們回去人民所重視的希望司法對我們最基本的保護我覺得我們的法院要承擔起來好不好好謝謝王委員那司法院我想\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n8997\t12478\t好 謝謝主席 請一下副秘書長委員早 早 副秘書長早昨天有一個就是社會比較矚目的新聞就是很多位藝人他們涉及到就是去假造他的這個體檢的報告然後事實上是要逃兵 所以做了閃兵\n32563\t54458\t那昨天相關的新聞畫面一直不停的播送那可以看到就是這些知名的藝人包含這個陳柏霖大人哥或者是像修杰凱等等好幾位的藝人那都是上銬然後到案那麼這昨天好像是一共是四個藝人被拘提到案\n55339\t78110\t那但是呢在這邊要討論一下就是當然了當然逃兵就是違反相關的這個法律就是應該而且他們自己也承認他們確實是找人去修改去假造他們的病例但是這一波其實他這個其實不是第一波去偵辦這些藝人的閃兵\n81692\t96901\t大概過去幾個月來分播有不同的藝人當然可能有一些因為昨天這一波因為藝人的名氣比較大所以引起社會比較高的關注我在這邊提出來的畫面就是昨天這幾位藝人都是上銬具體檔案甚至傳出其中有一個修杰凱他是在家裡面還有小孩\n104986\t125531\t那傳出說他是在家中上銬然後小孩都很害怕但是另外一方面我在上面提出來的這個新聞畫面也是今年5月間其實就有一波藝人也是同樣的是辦同樣的案子也是閃兵也是假\n126351\t133054\t那個 就是假造這個相關的體檢報告那這裡面包含陳大天 陳玲九 還有李全好 那這個畫面就可以看得出來當時呢 他們沒有上銬有的就這樣子很輕 我想也不是輕鬆啦 心裡不會輕鬆啦可是在畫面上 就不會像昨天大家看到的畫面好 很狼狽 就故意用外套那個 把它遮起來\n151681\t155222\t好所以我想請教一下就是就我們在具體相關的這個犯罪嫌疑人或者這個罪犯被告的相關的使用借據那當然這裡面有警察有檢察官當然有法院那我想請問一下副秘書長我們使用這個借據上銬到底有沒有一定的標準因為我在看這個同樣的一個案件\n180149\t184211\t也同樣是藝人那只是也許他的名氣大或名氣小不一樣那當然可能這個以警察來講要看現場的狀況他會不會抗拒或者他會不會傷害會不會攻擊警察但是看起來這幾波都沒有這樣的狀況所以我想請問副秘書長我們是否有曾經針對使用這個借據來逮捕拘提\n206801\t210586\t有沒有一個相關的一致性比較一致性的做法\n211870\t238477\t首先向委員報告就是有關於這個使用戒具的實施辦法它那個是由法務部所訂的對 我知道對 這是法務部所訂的那委員剛剛那個垂詢的那個相關案例都是在那個偵查那個階段就是在那個警察在那個逮捕那個人的時候的那個情況所以這個在你們法院也會使用戒具啊以你們法院使用戒具你們相關的標準是什麼呢\n240659\t268595\t好 謝謝法院委員的詢詢 我知道法院使用借據也不能只有在法警的執行辦法裡面有那要看當時的情形是否被告有沒有逃亡或是當時的狀況他可能有脫逃的情形是要來使用借據那原則上可是我現在看起來你們因為現在有很多一些知名案例在這個在那個新聞影片上都播出來在法警的體檢的時候是一定要使用借據\n269269\t290761\t因為他是從監所裡面提到所以你們現在在法院在法院裡面法警的這個提審的時候提解的時候是一定使用借據的一定都要使用借據那在法院以內呢都是一定使用借據嗎對 在法院使用借據等他入庭之後要開始承受我們會把借據打開\n292582\t306819\t所以在法院所以基本上在司法院裡面上不上考你們的標準是完全一致的嗎是一致的就是沒有例外沒有例外因為它是從看守所或者是監所裡面體檢出來的人犯我們一定上考\n307689\t315411\t所以你們是完全沒有例外因為我覺得很多就是該辦的案子就去辦但是呢因為像這種是眾人矚目然後看到相關的就是畫面的時候那就有人提出為什麼同樣的案情那有人上銬有人沒有上銬我覺得這就是我們的這個執法的標準另外一件事這個當然也是法務部在修法但是呢\n334757\t342361\t最近也得到很多社會大眾的相關的關切也就是違罪重罰我們最近有一些案例就是這個清潔員他把清潔隊隊員他把人家不要的電鍋轉送給一個老婦最後他就以貪污治罪條例來起訴他他現在正在跑法院\n362230\t389551\t那過去也有比如警察就是像交警的部分也是受到上層的這個壓力或上層的要求然後把一個罰單他可能用比較輕的讓他罰錢罰得少一些那錢都沒有拿到他自己的口袋他可能基於上層的人情的壓力那他本來就是比較重的但是他開罰單的時候他就開一個就罰\n392413\t408632\t罰款金額比較少的然後因此呢也觸犯了貪污自罪條例然後工作通通沒有了所以這一連串這一連串的事情啊被現在社會大眾尤其是基層的公務體系\n410673\t414515\t開始大家討論說這樣就是我們的司法資源也非常非常的稀少我們的檢察官應該照理講他那個辦案那個什麼辦案的量很大才對那麼像這樣違罪重罰的要不要符合相關的比例原則\n430960\t456089\t現在看到在網路上也開始有做這個相關的公民的提案這裡面比如說什麼0到5萬應該減輕其刑或者免刑等等那我想請問一下司法院針對現在在社會上現在大家普遍在討論或關心的這個違罪重罰的狀況你們有沒有什麼樣的立場\n459929\t489185\t那個首先跟委員報告因為那個法官一定是那個依法獨立審判所以說我們一定要依據那個法律那至於說這相關的這個貪污自罪條例呢就是說他現行的這個規定是不是那個周延我想這個都有很多那個討論那那個法務部在九月的時候所發的那個新聞稿因為貪污自罪條例的主責機關是法務部他們發的新聞稿又說針對小額的貪污案件呢\n489765\t505585\t會去修這個貪污自罪那個條例來符合那個罪責那個相當所以法務部他們有在啟動這個部分的修法所以你們同意嗎我們贊同的你們也贊同就是也可以減輕在法院這一端對於這種非常\n508148\t527977\t這種小的案件搞不好也許法官也是有同情像這樣的案件但是他必須要去受理有一些因為只要像基層的公務員只要他碰到這些相關的他最後連工作都沒有了連退休金都沒有了像我剛剛講的除了這個這個企業隊員可能是最近觸動很多民眾討論最多的一個case\n535620\t544623\t那之前也有其實我也有收到陳情就是小小的基層這個基層的警察他就是因為開一個罰單上面有些就說就不要讓他罰那麼重啦就這樣子\n551306\t563161\t然後他就處罰了然後變成他連工作都沒有所以我覺得在執法者人在衙門好修行啦另外一個就是同樣的我們一直在討論的就是這個交保啊到底\n568607\t590984\t就是要交保的話 交保金額到底是怎麼樣才是合理還有無保請回的 它的標準又是什麼而這樣子會不會成為一個犯罪的破口最近因為你們發生的 這個是監察院彈劾你們的法官針對中文制逃跑的事件\n591804\t620201\t那另外我其實我自己本身非常關心因為南京三民站就是我的選區那麼最近台鐵出現在台鐵就是眾目睽睽之下有女性被性侵了而且還是有個外籍旅客那與此同時呢在南京三民站晚上10點在台北市老蔣晚上10點不算太晚因為他就是去倒垃圾就是去倒垃圾\n621101\t638162\t到垃圾的時候呢被一個街友在那邊脫褲子漏鳥然後就抓他要到暗箱去就是準備要性侵好 這個案件呢竟然最後呢是被吳寶請回啊裁定吳寶請回\n641105\t660381\t這個案子我真的就不懂了他裁定無保請回之後我們的選區大家就緊張啦這個案子發生了然後你再請回他是不是又讓他放回到街頭會不會再有下一個受害人這種無保請回到底你們的標準是什麼\n661501\t686671\t還有這個過去我們一直說打詐打詐這個用釣魚簡訊的打詐集團成員當然他是專門開車啦那這樣的一個成員最後也無保請回這案子也無保請回我真的就覺得說這種所謂的無保請回\n688482\t704795\t前一陣子發生的在土城直接殺了他的太太殺了他的這個小姨子也是一樣啊這個違反這個家暴令然後一樣無保請回所以我想請問一下有保無保保釋金到底是多少請問一下\n712642\t735217\t在法官 在你們法院這一端你們的標準是什麼好 我再舉一個例子這個傘兵 就昨天的傘兵也有50萬 50萬 35萬有不同的交保 我也不大懂這個不同 因為他們的案情都完全一模一樣你是以他的財力嗎還是以他的知名度嗎 我不懂有50萬 50萬 有35萬交保的\n738519\t754953\t好 那館長陳之漢因為他在直播的時候說要斬首總統用15萬給他交保我就不懂這15萬你們到底橫著是什麼橫著他會被跑掉 是嗎那會被跑掉就是還是橫著他的財力嗎\n756494\t780182\t那像這些案子我們在今年有很多政治性案件國民黨的台北市黨部主委黃禮錦如他偽造文書案這個也是五年以下一千萬交保一千萬交保那個散兵那個罪行也不輕喔最重他也可能到七年或者是五年以下\n783513\t809218\t50萬、50萬、35萬交保所以我就不懂你們這個交保金額是以他犯罪情節的重大與否他的刑度還是以你認為他會不會跑掉還是以你可能認為他會跑掉但是呢你要橫著他的財力那在這邊我講到這些人你說他財力差很多嗎沒有差很多啊\n810751\t832470\t而且有人講黃麗瑾如是貴婦可是演藝人員她也有一定的財力所以我的意思就是說你們的交不交保跟交保金額到底差距在哪裡以我來看都已經落鳥仕途性侵在大街上仕途性侵了你卻可以完全無保請回 沒事\n833542\t855877\t涉及炸雞集團幫炸雞集團開車也一樣 無保請回所以 副秘書長我可不可以請問法院我們不是法律人但是我們都關心法律那我們看到不就是一般老百姓來看我不懂啊什麼樣案件你可以完全的無保請回\n856818\t868169\t那你可能讓他下一次下一次可能再犯而且這是我們最關心的婦女的安全或者詐欺你卻可以無保請回請問一下你們的標準到底是什麼\n869912\t898121\t那個謝謝委員垂詢首先就那個委員關心南京三民那個案件因為我們真的不是陳審法官我們手上現在完全沒有那個卷證那所以說這個案件呢就是第一個當然他第一個要看的是他涉及的罪名就是說他涉及的罪名到底現在依卷證所呈現的到底是一個公然猥褻還是有到那個性侵我們這個我們並不知道那如果說是他涉及侵罪是三年以下的話那在刑訴113條\n899821\t919592\t他要那個只要那個當事人申請那個交保的時候呢這是那個有法律規定這是就是他並不是直接就會進入到那個羈押那所以就是說簡單來講就是委員所講的這一些那個你沒有羈押你也完全沒有交保就是你就放回去沒事了放回去\n920612\t945265\t所以我知道你每個都講說因為我們不是成城法官但是我們看到這一個又一個案例而且這都是在我們身邊的喔我今天跟你討論的還不是一些政治性的案例政治性案例我看起來這個交保不交保金額我也看不出來你們的標準到底是什麼但是我現在更在意的這個南京三民站就是我選區嘛你就把它放掉了放掉大家就害怕了嘛\n947005\t969499\t大家就害怕啊 所以我真的拜託我們都尊重法官司法獨立但是你們獨立成這樣啊獨立成司法沒有辦法保護良善的老百姓基本的婦女安全都沒有辦法保護最近連續發生的事情 有人會覺得婦女在台北市安全嗎\n972011\t995384\t然後已經都已經可以 都已經進入司法還是可以這樣子直接這樣五寶請回直接放回街頭所以我要拜託 就是請請我們司法院你們一直修這些法 老實說啊這些法我老實講我看起來不重要因為你跟我們\n996425\t1012429\t人民啊期待跟人民的財產跟人民的人身安全保障你們太遙遠了以前說恐龍法官到現在恐龍法官繼續存在啊如果這是你的太太如果這是你的女兒你會這樣子嗎對不起\n1019147\t1030504\t我馬上好好所以請你們回去人民所重視的希望司法對我們最基本的保護我覺得我們的法院要承擔起來好不好好謝謝王委員那司法院我想\n","txt":"好 謝謝主席 請一下副秘書長委員早 早 副秘書長早昨天有一個就是社會比較矚目的新聞就是很多位藝人他們涉及到就是去假造他的這個體檢的報告然後事實上是要逃兵 所以做了閃兵\n那昨天相關的新聞畫面一直不停的播送那可以看到就是這些知名的藝人包含這個陳柏霖大人哥或者是像修杰凱等等好幾位的藝人那都是上銬然後到案那麼這昨天好像是一共是四個藝人被拘提到案\n那但是呢在這邊要討論一下就是當然了當然逃兵就是違反相關的這個法律就是應該而且他們自己也承認他們確實是找人去修改去假造他們的病例但是這一波其實他這個其實不是第一波去偵辦這些藝人的閃兵\n大概過去幾個月來分播有不同的藝人當然可能有一些因為昨天這一波因為藝人的名氣比較大所以引起社會比較高的關注我在這邊提出來的畫面就是昨天這幾位藝人都是上銬具體檔案甚至傳出其中有一個修杰凱他是在家裡面還有小孩\n那傳出說他是在家中上銬然後小孩都很害怕但是另外一方面我在上面提出來的這個新聞畫面也是今年5月間其實就有一波藝人也是同樣的是辦同樣的案子也是閃兵也是假\n那個 就是假造這個相關的體檢報告那這裡面包含陳大天 陳玲九 還有李全好 那這個畫面就可以看得出來當時呢 他們沒有上銬有的就這樣子很輕 我想也不是輕鬆啦 心裡不會輕鬆啦可是在畫面上 就不會像昨天大家看到的畫面好 很狼狽 就故意用外套那個 把它遮起來\n好所以我想請教一下就是就我們在具體相關的這個犯罪嫌疑人或者這個罪犯被告的相關的使用借據那當然這裡面有警察有檢察官當然有法院那我想請問一下副秘書長我們使用這個借據上銬到底有沒有一定的標準因為我在看這個同樣的一個案件\n也同樣是藝人那只是也許他的名氣大或名氣小不一樣那當然可能這個以警察來講要看現場的狀況他會不會抗拒或者他會不會傷害會不會攻擊警察但是看起來這幾波都沒有這樣的狀況所以我想請問副秘書長我們是否有曾經針對使用這個借據來逮捕拘提\n有沒有一個相關的一致性比較一致性的做法\n首先向委員報告就是有關於這個使用戒具的實施辦法它那個是由法務部所訂的對 我知道對 這是法務部所訂的那委員剛剛那個垂詢的那個相關案例都是在那個偵查那個階段就是在那個警察在那個逮捕那個人的時候的那個情況所以這個在你們法院也會使用戒具啊以你們法院使用戒具你們相關的標準是什麼呢\n好 謝謝法院委員的詢詢 我知道法院使用借據也不能只有在法警的執行辦法裡面有那要看當時的情形是否被告有沒有逃亡或是當時的狀況他可能有脫逃的情形是要來使用借據那原則上可是我現在看起來你們因為現在有很多一些知名案例在這個在那個新聞影片上都播出來在法警的體檢的時候是一定要使用借據\n因為他是從監所裡面提到所以你們現在在法院在法院裡面法警的這個提審的時候提解的時候是一定使用借據的一定都要使用借據那在法院以內呢都是一定使用借據嗎對 在法院使用借據等他入庭之後要開始承受我們會把借據打開\n所以在法院所以基本上在司法院裡面上不上考你們的標準是完全一致的嗎是一致的就是沒有例外沒有例外因為它是從看守所或者是監所裡面體檢出來的人犯我們一定上考\n所以你們是完全沒有例外因為我覺得很多就是該辦的案子就去辦但是呢因為像這種是眾人矚目然後看到相關的就是畫面的時候那就有人提出為什麼同樣的案情那有人上銬有人沒有上銬我覺得這就是我們的這個執法的標準另外一件事這個當然也是法務部在修法但是呢\n最近也得到很多社會大眾的相關的關切也就是違罪重罰我們最近有一些案例就是這個清潔員他把清潔隊隊員他把人家不要的電鍋轉送給一個老婦最後他就以貪污治罪條例來起訴他他現在正在跑法院\n那過去也有比如警察就是像交警的部分也是受到上層的這個壓力或上層的要求然後把一個罰單他可能用比較輕的讓他罰錢罰得少一些那錢都沒有拿到他自己的口袋他可能基於上層的人情的壓力那他本來就是比較重的但是他開罰單的時候他就開一個就罰\n罰款金額比較少的然後因此呢也觸犯了貪污自罪條例然後工作通通沒有了所以這一連串這一連串的事情啊被現在社會大眾尤其是基層的公務體系\n開始大家討論說這樣就是我們的司法資源也非常非常的稀少我們的檢察官應該照理講他那個辦案那個什麼辦案的量很大才對那麼像這樣違罪重罰的要不要符合相關的比例原則\n現在看到在網路上也開始有做這個相關的公民的提案這裡面比如說什麼0到5萬應該減輕其刑或者免刑等等那我想請問一下司法院針對現在在社會上現在大家普遍在討論或關心的這個違罪重罰的狀況你們有沒有什麼樣的立場\n那個首先跟委員報告因為那個法官一定是那個依法獨立審判所以說我們一定要依據那個法律那至於說這相關的這個貪污自罪條例呢就是說他現行的這個規定是不是那個周延我想這個都有很多那個討論那那個法務部在九月的時候所發的那個新聞稿因為貪污自罪條例的主責機關是法務部他們發的新聞稿又說針對小額的貪污案件呢\n會去修這個貪污自罪那個條例來符合那個罪責那個相當所以法務部他們有在啟動這個部分的修法所以你們同意嗎我們贊同的你們也贊同就是也可以減輕在法院這一端對於這種非常\n這種小的案件搞不好也許法官也是有同情像這樣的案件但是他必須要去受理有一些因為只要像基層的公務員只要他碰到這些相關的他最後連工作都沒有了連退休金都沒有了像我剛剛講的除了這個這個企業隊員可能是最近觸動很多民眾討論最多的一個case\n那之前也有其實我也有收到陳情就是小小的基層這個基層的警察他就是因為開一個罰單上面有些就說就不要讓他罰那麼重啦就這樣子\n然後他就處罰了然後變成他連工作都沒有所以我覺得在執法者人在衙門好修行啦另外一個就是同樣的我們一直在討論的就是這個交保啊到底\n就是要交保的話 交保金額到底是怎麼樣才是合理還有無保請回的 它的標準又是什麼而這樣子會不會成為一個犯罪的破口最近因為你們發生的 這個是監察院彈劾你們的法官針對中文制逃跑的事件\n那另外我其實我自己本身非常關心因為南京三民站就是我的選區那麼最近台鐵出現在台鐵就是眾目睽睽之下有女性被性侵了而且還是有個外籍旅客那與此同時呢在南京三民站晚上10點在台北市老蔣晚上10點不算太晚因為他就是去倒垃圾就是去倒垃圾\n到垃圾的時候呢被一個街友在那邊脫褲子漏鳥然後就抓他要到暗箱去就是準備要性侵好 這個案件呢竟然最後呢是被吳寶請回啊裁定吳寶請回\n這個案子我真的就不懂了他裁定無保請回之後我們的選區大家就緊張啦這個案子發生了然後你再請回他是不是又讓他放回到街頭會不會再有下一個受害人這種無保請回到底你們的標準是什麼\n還有這個過去我們一直說打詐打詐這個用釣魚簡訊的打詐集團成員當然他是專門開車啦那這樣的一個成員最後也無保請回這案子也無保請回我真的就覺得說這種所謂的無保請回\n前一陣子發生的在土城直接殺了他的太太殺了他的這個小姨子也是一樣啊這個違反這個家暴令然後一樣無保請回所以我想請問一下有保無保保釋金到底是多少請問一下\n在法官 在你們法院這一端你們的標準是什麼好 我再舉一個例子這個傘兵 就昨天的傘兵也有50萬 50萬 35萬有不同的交保 我也不大懂這個不同 因為他們的案情都完全一模一樣你是以他的財力嗎還是以他的知名度嗎 我不懂有50萬 50萬 有35萬交保的\n好 那館長陳之漢因為他在直播的時候說要斬首總統用15萬給他交保我就不懂這15萬你們到底橫著是什麼橫著他會被跑掉 是嗎那會被跑掉就是還是橫著他的財力嗎\n那像這些案子我們在今年有很多政治性案件國民黨的台北市黨部主委黃禮錦如他偽造文書案這個也是五年以下一千萬交保一千萬交保那個散兵那個罪行也不輕喔最重他也可能到七年或者是五年以下\n50萬、50萬、35萬交保所以我就不懂你們這個交保金額是以他犯罪情節的重大與否他的刑度還是以你認為他會不會跑掉還是以你可能認為他會跑掉但是呢你要橫著他的財力那在這邊我講到這些人你說他財力差很多嗎沒有差很多啊\n而且有人講黃麗瑾如是貴婦可是演藝人員她也有一定的財力所以我的意思就是說你們的交不交保跟交保金額到底差距在哪裡以我來看都已經落鳥仕途性侵在大街上仕途性侵了你卻可以完全無保請回 沒事\n涉及炸雞集團幫炸雞集團開車也一樣 無保請回所以 副秘書長我可不可以請問法院我們不是法律人但是我們都關心法律那我們看到不就是一般老百姓來看我不懂啊什麼樣案件你可以完全的無保請回\n那你可能讓他下一次下一次可能再犯而且這是我們最關心的婦女的安全或者詐欺你卻可以無保請回請問一下你們的標準到底是什麼\n那個謝謝委員垂詢首先就那個委員關心南京三民那個案件因為我們真的不是陳審法官我們手上現在完全沒有那個卷證那所以說這個案件呢就是第一個當然他第一個要看的是他涉及的罪名就是說他涉及的罪名到底現在依卷證所呈現的到底是一個公然猥褻還是有到那個性侵我們這個我們並不知道那如果說是他涉及侵罪是三年以下的話那在刑訴113條\n他要那個只要那個當事人申請那個交保的時候呢這是那個有法律規定這是就是他並不是直接就會進入到那個羈押那所以就是說簡單來講就是委員所講的這一些那個你沒有羈押你也完全沒有交保就是你就放回去沒事了放回去\n所以我知道你每個都講說因為我們不是成城法官但是我們看到這一個又一個案例而且這都是在我們身邊的喔我今天跟你討論的還不是一些政治性的案例政治性案例我看起來這個交保不交保金額我也看不出來你們的標準到底是什麼但是我現在更在意的這個南京三民站就是我選區嘛你就把它放掉了放掉大家就害怕了嘛\n大家就害怕啊 所以我真的拜託我們都尊重法官司法獨立但是你們獨立成這樣啊獨立成司法沒有辦法保護良善的老百姓基本的婦女安全都沒有辦法保護最近連續發生的事情 有人會覺得婦女在台北市安全嗎\n然後已經都已經可以 都已經進入司法還是可以這樣子直接這樣五寶請回直接放回街頭所以我要拜託 就是請請我們司法院你們一直修這些法 老實說啊這些法我老實講我看起來不重要因為你跟我們\n人民啊期待跟人民的財產跟人民的人身安全保障你們太遙遠了以前說恐龍法官到現在恐龍法官繼續存在啊如果這是你的太太如果這是你的女兒你會這樣子嗎對不起\n我馬上好好所以請你們回去人民所重視的希望司法對我們最基本的保護我覺得我們的法院要承擔起來好不好好謝謝王委員那司法院我想\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:08.997 --> 00:12.478\n好謝謝主席請一下副秘書長委員早早副秘書長早昨天有一個就是社會比較矚目的新聞就是很多位藝人他們涉及到就是去假造他的這個體檢的報告然後事實上是要逃兵所以做了閃兵\n\n00:32.563 --> 00:54.458\n那昨天相關的新聞畫面一直不停的播送那可以看到就是這些知名的藝人包含這個陳柏霖大人哥或者是像修杰凱等等好幾位的藝人那都是上銬然後到案那麼這昨天好像是一共是四個藝人被拘提到案\n\n00:55.339 --> 01:18.110\n那但是呢在這邊要討論一下就是當然了當然逃兵就是違反相關的這個法律就是應該而且他們自己也承認他們確實是找人去修改去假造他們的病例但是這一波其實他這個其實不是第一波去偵辦這些藝人的閃兵\n\n01:21.692 --> 01:36.901\n大概過去幾個月來分播有不同的藝人當然可能有一些因為昨天這一波因為藝人的名氣比較大所以引起社會比較高的關注我在這邊提出來的畫面就是昨天這幾位藝人都是上銬具體檔案甚至傳出其中有一個修杰凱他是在家裡面還有小孩\n\n01:44.986 --> 02:05.531\n那傳出說他是在家中上銬然後小孩都很害怕但是另外一方面我在上面提出來的這個新聞畫面也是今年5月間其實就有一波藝人也是同樣的是辦同樣的案子也是閃兵也是假\n\n02:06.351 --> 02:13.054\n那個就是假造這個相關的體檢報告那這裡面包含陳大天陳玲九還有李全好那這個畫面就可以看得出來當時呢他們沒有上銬有的就這樣子很輕我想也不是輕鬆啦心裡不會輕鬆啦可是在畫面上就不會像昨天大家看到的畫面好很狼狽就故意用外套那個把它遮起來\n\n02:31.681 --> 02:35.222\n好所以我想請教一下就是就我們在具體相關的這個犯罪嫌疑人或者這個罪犯被告的相關的使用借據那當然這裡面有警察有檢察官當然有法院那我想請問一下副秘書長我們使用這個借據上銬到底有沒有一定的標準因為我在看這個同樣的一個案件\n\n03:00.149 --> 03:04.211\n也同樣是藝人那只是也許他的名氣大或名氣小不一樣那當然可能這個以警察來講要看現場的狀況他會不會抗拒或者他會不會傷害會不會攻擊警察但是看起來這幾波都沒有這樣的狀況所以我想請問副秘書長我們是否有曾經針對使用這個借據來逮捕拘提\n\n03:26.801 --> 03:30.586\n有沒有一個相關的一致性比較一致性的做法\n\n03:31.870 --> 03:58.477\n首先向委員報告就是有關於這個使用戒具的實施辦法它那個是由法務部所訂的對我知道對這是法務部所訂的那委員剛剛那個垂詢的那個相關案例都是在那個偵查那個階段就是在那個警察在那個逮捕那個人的時候的那個情況所以這個在你們法院也會使用戒具啊以你們法院使用戒具你們相關的標準是什麼呢\n\n04:00.659 --> 04:28.595\n好謝謝法院委員的詢詢我知道法院使用借據也不能只有在法警的執行辦法裡面有那要看當時的情形是否被告有沒有逃亡或是當時的狀況他可能有脫逃的情形是要來使用借據那原則上可是我現在看起來你們因為現在有很多一些知名案例在這個在那個新聞影片上都播出來在法警的體檢的時候是一定要使用借據\n\n04:29.269 --> 04:50.761\n因為他是從監所裡面提到所以你們現在在法院在法院裡面法警的這個提審的時候提解的時候是一定使用借據的一定都要使用借據那在法院以內呢都是一定使用借據嗎對在法院使用借據等他入庭之後要開始承受我們會把借據打開\n\n04:52.582 --> 05:06.819\n所以在法院所以基本上在司法院裡面上不上考你們的標準是完全一致的嗎是一致的就是沒有例外沒有例外因為它是從看守所或者是監所裡面體檢出來的人犯我們一定上考\n\n05:07.689 --> 05:15.411\n所以你們是完全沒有例外因為我覺得很多就是該辦的案子就去辦但是呢因為像這種是眾人矚目然後看到相關的就是畫面的時候那就有人提出為什麼同樣的案情那有人上銬有人沒有上銬我覺得這就是我們的這個執法的標準另外一件事這個當然也是法務部在修法但是呢\n\n05:34.757 --> 05:42.361\n最近也得到很多社會大眾的相關的關切也就是違罪重罰我們最近有一些案例就是這個清潔員他把清潔隊隊員他把人家不要的電鍋轉送給一個老婦最後他就以貪污治罪條例來起訴他他現在正在跑法院\n\n06:02.230 --> 06:29.551\n那過去也有比如警察就是像交警的部分也是受到上層的這個壓力或上層的要求然後把一個罰單他可能用比較輕的讓他罰錢罰得少一些那錢都沒有拿到他自己的口袋他可能基於上層的人情的壓力那他本來就是比較重的但是他開罰單的時候他就開一個就罰\n\n06:32.413 --> 06:48.632\n罰款金額比較少的然後因此呢也觸犯了貪污自罪條例然後工作通通沒有了所以這一連串這一連串的事情啊被現在社會大眾尤其是基層的公務體系\n\n06:50.673 --> 06:54.515\n開始大家討論說這樣就是我們的司法資源也非常非常的稀少我們的檢察官應該照理講他那個辦案那個什麼辦案的量很大才對那麼像這樣違罪重罰的要不要符合相關的比例原則\n\n07:10.960 --> 07:36.089\n現在看到在網路上也開始有做這個相關的公民的提案這裡面比如說什麼0到5萬應該減輕其刑或者免刑等等那我想請問一下司法院針對現在在社會上現在大家普遍在討論或關心的這個違罪重罰的狀況你們有沒有什麼樣的立場\n\n07:39.929 --> 08:09.185\n那個首先跟委員報告因為那個法官一定是那個依法獨立審判所以說我們一定要依據那個法律那至於說這相關的這個貪污自罪條例呢就是說他現行的這個規定是不是那個周延我想這個都有很多那個討論那那個法務部在九月的時候所發的那個新聞稿因為貪污自罪條例的主責機關是法務部他們發的新聞稿又說針對小額的貪污案件呢\n\n08:09.765 --> 08:25.585\n會去修這個貪污自罪那個條例來符合那個罪責那個相當所以法務部他們有在啟動這個部分的修法所以你們同意嗎我們贊同的你們也贊同就是也可以減輕在法院這一端對於這種非常\n\n08:28.148 --> 08:47.977\n這種小的案件搞不好也許法官也是有同情像這樣的案件但是他必須要去受理有一些因為只要像基層的公務員只要他碰到這些相關的他最後連工作都沒有了連退休金都沒有了像我剛剛講的除了這個這個企業隊員可能是最近觸動很多民眾討論最多的一個case\n\n08:55.620 --> 09:04.623\n那之前也有其實我也有收到陳情就是小小的基層這個基層的警察他就是因為開一個罰單上面有些就說就不要讓他罰那麼重啦就這樣子\n\n09:11.306 --> 09:23.161\n然後他就處罰了然後變成他連工作都沒有所以我覺得在執法者人在衙門好修行啦另外一個就是同樣的我們一直在討論的就是這個交保啊到底\n\n09:28.607 --> 09:50.984\n就是要交保的話交保金額到底是怎麼樣才是合理還有無保請回的它的標準又是什麼而這樣子會不會成為一個犯罪的破口最近因為你們發生的這個是監察院彈劾你們的法官針對中文制逃跑的事件\n\n09:51.804 --> 10:20.201\n那另外我其實我自己本身非常關心因為南京三民站就是我的選區那麼最近台鐵出現在台鐵就是眾目睽睽之下有女性被性侵了而且還是有個外籍旅客那與此同時呢在南京三民站晚上10點在台北市老蔣晚上10點不算太晚因為他就是去倒垃圾就是去倒垃圾\n\n10:21.101 --> 10:38.162\n到垃圾的時候呢被一個街友在那邊脫褲子漏鳥然後就抓他要到暗箱去就是準備要性侵好這個案件呢竟然最後呢是被吳寶請回啊裁定吳寶請回\n\n10:41.105 --> 11:00.381\n這個案子我真的就不懂了他裁定無保請回之後我們的選區大家就緊張啦這個案子發生了然後你再請回他是不是又讓他放回到街頭會不會再有下一個受害人這種無保請回到底你們的標準是什麼\n\n11:01.501 --> 11:26.671\n還有這個過去我們一直說打詐打詐這個用釣魚簡訊的打詐集團成員當然他是專門開車啦那這樣的一個成員最後也無保請回這案子也無保請回我真的就覺得說這種所謂的無保請回\n\n11:28.482 --> 11:44.795\n前一陣子發生的在土城直接殺了他的太太殺了他的這個小姨子也是一樣啊這個違反這個家暴令然後一樣無保請回所以我想請問一下有保無保保釋金到底是多少請問一下\n\n11:52.642 --> 12:15.217\n在法官在你們法院這一端你們的標準是什麼好我再舉一個例子這個傘兵就昨天的傘兵也有50萬50萬35萬有不同的交保我也不大懂這個不同因為他們的案情都完全一模一樣你是以他的財力嗎還是以他的知名度嗎我不懂有50萬50萬有35萬交保的\n\n12:18.519 --> 12:34.953\n好那館長陳之漢因為他在直播的時候說要斬首總統用15萬給他交保我就不懂這15萬你們到底橫著是什麼橫著他會被跑掉是嗎那會被跑掉就是還是橫著他的財力嗎\n\n12:36.494 --> 13:00.182\n那像這些案子我們在今年有很多政治性案件國民黨的台北市黨部主委黃禮錦如他偽造文書案這個也是五年以下一千萬交保一千萬交保那個散兵那個罪行也不輕喔最重他也可能到七年或者是五年以下\n\n13:03.513 --> 13:29.218\n50萬、50萬、35萬交保所以我就不懂你們這個交保金額是以他犯罪情節的重大與否他的刑度還是以你認為他會不會跑掉還是以你可能認為他會跑掉但是呢你要橫著他的財力那在這邊我講到這些人你說他財力差很多嗎沒有差很多啊\n\n13:30.751 --> 13:52.470\n而且有人講黃麗瑾如是貴婦可是演藝人員她也有一定的財力所以我的意思就是說你們的交不交保跟交保金額到底差距在哪裡以我來看都已經落鳥仕途性侵在大街上仕途性侵了你卻可以完全無保請回沒事\n\n13:53.542 --> 14:15.877\n涉及炸雞集團幫炸雞集團開車也一樣無保請回所以副秘書長我可不可以請問法院我們不是法律人但是我們都關心法律那我們看到不就是一般老百姓來看我不懂啊什麼樣案件你可以完全的無保請回\n\n14:16.818 --> 14:28.169\n那你可能讓他下一次下一次可能再犯而且這是我們最關心的婦女的安全或者詐欺你卻可以無保請回請問一下你們的標準到底是什麼\n\n14:29.912 --> 14:58.121\n那個謝謝委員垂詢首先就那個委員關心南京三民那個案件因為我們真的不是陳審法官我們手上現在完全沒有那個卷證那所以說這個案件呢就是第一個當然他第一個要看的是他涉及的罪名就是說他涉及的罪名到底現在依卷證所呈現的到底是一個公然猥褻還是有到那個性侵我們這個我們並不知道那如果說是他涉及侵罪是三年以下的話那在刑訴113條\n\n14:59.821 --> 15:19.592\n他要那個只要那個當事人申請那個交保的時候呢這是那個有法律規定這是就是他並不是直接就會進入到那個羈押那所以就是說簡單來講就是委員所講的這一些那個你沒有羈押你也完全沒有交保就是你就放回去沒事了放回去\n\n15:20.612 --> 15:45.265\n所以我知道你每個都講說因為我們不是成城法官但是我們看到這一個又一個案例而且這都是在我們身邊的喔我今天跟你討論的還不是一些政治性的案例政治性案例我看起來這個交保不交保金額我也看不出來你們的標準到底是什麼但是我現在更在意的這個南京三民站就是我選區嘛你就把它放掉了放掉大家就害怕了嘛\n\n15:47.005 --> 16:09.499\n大家就害怕啊所以我真的拜託我們都尊重法官司法獨立但是你們獨立成這樣啊獨立成司法沒有辦法保護良善的老百姓基本的婦女安全都沒有辦法保護最近連續發生的事情有人會覺得婦女在台北市安全嗎\n\n16:12.011 --> 16:35.384\n然後已經都已經可以都已經進入司法還是可以這樣子直接這樣五寶請回直接放回街頭所以我要拜託就是請請我們司法院你們一直修這些法老實說啊這些法我老實講我看起來不重要因為你跟我們\n\n16:36.425 --> 16:52.429\n人民啊期待跟人民的財產跟人民的人身安全保障你們太遙遠了以前說恐龍法官到現在恐龍法官繼續存在啊如果這是你的太太如果這是你的女兒你會這樣子嗎對不起\n\n16:59.147 --> 17:10.504\n我馬上好好所以請你們回去人民所重視的希望司法對我們最基本的保護我覺得我們的法院要承擔起來好不好好謝謝王委員那司法院我想\n\n","segments":[{"start":8.997,"end":12.478,"text":"好 謝謝主席 請一下副秘書長委員早 早 副秘書長早昨天有一個就是社會比較矚目的新聞就是很多位藝人他們涉及到就是去假造他的這個體檢的報告然後事實上是要逃兵 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請司法院秘書長列席說明立法計畫，並備質詢","agenda_id":"1148801_00002"}}}