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00:02:28,984\n內政部協調這我可以同意因為你看副長我現在要跟您繼續討論的我們今天要討論替代役可是既然有10萬人次的志工進去做救災修復清整的這個工作那我想請問這一次內政部同意了花蓮縣政府的申請召集了這個替代役進去那替代役這240人次這次做了什麼\n\n8\n00:02:31,764 --> 00:02:47,757\n我們在報告裡面有跟這個委員說過我們現在有兩個提示那第二提示呢最近這兩天才過去基本上就是配合花蓮縣政府他們的指派工作因為花蓮縣政府花蓮縣政府的指派工作嘛那他指派了什麼工作\n\n9\n00:02:48,617 --> 00:02:56,682\n第一個大概就是第一個還是仍然協助清理災區是然後疏散撤離的部分是然後再來就是沒有沒有沒有他有疏散撤離嗎有有有我跟委員報告這個因為裡面的這個替代役有兩種一個是現役替代役一個是被役替代役現役的替代役呢我們在這次呢調動了12個縣市那是現役替代役對因為你剛講的就是現役好那我跟你我在精確\n\n10\n00:03:11,670 --> 00:03:16,914\n後備我們在叫招回來的240位備疫替代疫當中這240人次他們做了什麼其實我們可以看到從網路上面一直變成新聞的狀況這240人次其實就是去清整環境嘛清整環境其實說真的就是挖土嘛\n\n11\n00:03:29,642 --> 00:03:36,987\n就是清掃嘛所以我們的替代役我們的後備替代役當中尤其是被叫召回來的他有是才是所的備分派任務嗎其實是沒有啊其實是沒有啊報告委員我想再跟委員再補充說明一下因為第一批次的這個備役替代役的召集啊他的召集時間呢已經到9月底\n\n12\n00:03:54,819 --> 00:04:21,262\n好九一底以後所以呢花蓮縣政府認為說把他們分配到做其他的像這個清溝等等這個工作會比較適合那我們就尊重他但是第二梯次開始的時候我們已經聽到第一梯次的這個被替代藝男的聲音那開始就會做比較專業的分類比如說因為勤務召集因為勤務現在還在執行當中對到今天都還是就是到今天啊到今天都還有勤務召集只有\n\n13\n00:04:22,303 --> 00:04:40,470\n服務召集只有五天的時間是那他們能做的這個方向呢還是以能夠配合這個官方單位所指派的工作為主那這些呢我們未來都有很多精進跟檢討的空間部長我就是請你在備詢台上告訴我官方現在這五天指派了什麼工作嗎\n\n14\n00:04:41,030 --> 00:04:46,331\n花蓮縣政府現在指派他什麼嗎對啊那我是不是請我們市長跟您報告一下我現在只有幾分鐘可以快答快一點嗎報告委員我們這個第二梯次的部分我們有發現到有些醫生我們就把他分化到這個衛生所來做疫診啦還有相關資料整理那另外他有資訊專長的部分在做他們的後續的這個資料的整備比如說他們要\n\n15\n00:05:02,875 --> 00:05:11,102\n這個避難啦要垂直避難或者是要所以你現在要告訴我的是說你第一次一次確實是有狀況因為第一次召集來的120人次就是如同網路上說的新聞上報導的120人次在已經有10萬人次的志工去花蓮做清潔工作的時候你還叫招了120位後備替代役去做挖土的工作嘛\n\n16\n00:05:25,953 --> 00:05:30,315\n這就是為人詬病的地方這就是我今天在跟你討論要不要檢討機制的部分好但是我聽到你現在的回答你第二梯次就做精進了對不對好那我要求你提出這個因為到24號嘛20號到24號現在正在進行第二梯次我要求你把現在第二梯次的資料拿出來並同第一次比較給我們看你第一次到第二次當中精進了多少項目多少人次怎麼運用這些可以做到吧\n\n17\n00:05:52,768 --> 00:06:07,811\n很清楚嘛對不對提供給委員會嘛每一個委員會都可以了解這樣的狀況甚至是你們現在其實就可以告訴全國的人民我們改進的速度是非常的快因為內政部是督導事實上這整件事情還是應該是花蓮縣政府啦我老實說啦\n\n18\n00:06:08,852 --> 00:06:21,541\n老實說花蓮縣政府自己提出了叫招的這個需求把替代役後備備用的替代役叫回來了他本來就應該要做好工作可是沒有那你現在是督導單位嘛內政部是督導單位嘛所以要有嘛那我現在除了要求你提供項目之外我現在直接告訴你齁我們在替代役現行的狀況之下齁他其實是有告訴你分工的機制現行替代役的分工他有個要點\n\n19\n00:06:34,730 --> 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對不對提供給委員會嘛每一個委員會都可以了解這樣的狀況甚至是你們現在其實就可以告訴全國的人民我們改進的速度是非常的快因為內政部是督導事實上這整件事情還是應該是花蓮縣政府啦我老實說啦\n368852\t381541\t老實說花蓮縣政府自己提出了叫招的這個需求把替代役後備備用的替代役叫回來了他本來就應該要做好工作可是沒有那你現在是督導單位嘛內政部是督導單位嘛所以要有嘛那我現在除了要求你提供項目之外我現在直接告訴你齁我們在替代役現行的狀況之下齁他其實是有告訴你分工的機制現行替代役的分工他有個要點\n394730\t416782\t可是我們替代役藝男服役期滿後的這個召集的就是後備替代役的他有召集辦法18條但都著重在召集沒有後面的分工所以我建議可以比照現行的這個替代役的作業要點的部分也提出明確的指引你贊成嗎我們目前在這個部分我們其實是對他的專長已經有做一些調查了實際上的應用以後我們會來我要求有一個檢討啦好謝謝\n425226\t425246\t謝謝 感謝\n","txt":"好 謝謝主席 我們請劉部長請保重委員早部長好 部長我們今天就是跟您討論替代役職執行的狀況\n那其實在這次花蓮馬太安溪艷澀湖的災害因為非常重大所以帶給我們在很多機制上面都可以從方方面面檢討上一次我特別是在跟您討論現場志工因為這一次大量的超過10萬人次以上的這個志工進到花蓮這邊去讓大家看到了民心民力但也知道這個制度一定要做可是我記得您上一次跟我回答就志工可能歸衛福部你的回答是這樣那你這次的回答還是要一樣嗎是因為志願服務法\n是由那個衛福部來主管我知道但是志工的服務的話在這次馬太安心那邊其實所有中央各部會都有投入幫忙做志工包括導引或是分配工作等等都有包含在內對 所以部長我就是在跟你討論機制的問題\n那我這次很高興在你的這個報告當中第二頁其實就看到了你這裡寫總統於113年6月19日宣布成立全社會防衛任性委員會然後呢本部主責民力訓練與運用之推動那就包含了現役被役替代役及役消役警及民間災害防救團體等\n可是名利所以確實沒有包括志工可是這整個的機制名利訓練與運用就是在內政部啊所以我還是覺得以內政部警察消防民防通通都在內政部之下這個機制應該要怎麼處理那\n我認為雖然法律規定現在衛福部啊啊看起來是這樣可是這個怎麼運用在災害裡面我認為還是應該內政部來主責啦為什麼呢因為你看我們沒有那麼大的能量我認為你可以在全社會防衛任性委員會當中建議把這個東西拿出來討論判划 它不是行政院的機構它是一個諮詢性的角色那內政部會去協調相關的部會好 內政部協調可以好 內政部協調我收尾主責兩個字\n內政部協調 這我可以同意因為你看 副長 我現在要跟您繼續討論的我們今天要討論替代役可是 既然有10萬人次的志工進去做救災修復清整的這個工作那我想請問 這一次內政部同意了花蓮縣政府的申請召集了這個替代役進去那替代役這240人次 這次做了什麼\n我們在報告裡面有跟這個委員說過我們現在有兩個提示那第二提示呢最近這兩天才過去基本上就是配合花蓮縣政府他們的指派工作因為花蓮縣政府花蓮縣政府的指派工作嘛那他指派了什麼工作\n第一個大概就是第一個還是仍然協助清理災區是然後疏散撤離的部分是然後再來就是沒有沒有沒有他有疏散撤離嗎有有有我跟委員報告這個因為裡面的這個替代役有兩種一個是現役替代役一個是被役替代役現役的替代役呢我們在這次呢調動了12個縣市那是現役替代役對因為你剛講的就是現役好那我跟你我在精確\n後備我們在叫招回來的240位備疫替代疫當中這240人次他們做了什麼其實我們可以看到從網路上面一直變成新聞的狀況這240人次其實就是去清整環境嘛清整環境其實說真的就是挖土嘛\n就是清掃嘛所以我們的替代役我們的後備替代役當中尤其是被叫召回來的他有是才是所的備分派任務嗎其實是沒有啊其實是沒有啊報告委員我想再跟委員再補充說明一下因為第一批次的這個備役替代役的召集啊他的召集時間呢已經到9月底\n好 九一底以後所以呢花蓮縣政府認為說把他們分配到做其他的像這個清溝等等這個工作會比較適合那我們就尊重他但是第二梯次開始的時候我們已經聽到第一梯次的這個被替代藝男的聲音那開始就會做比較專業的分類比如說 因為勤務召集因為勤務現在還在執行當中對 到今天都還是 就是到今天啊到今天都還有 勤務召集只有\n服務召集只有五天的時間是那他們能做的這個方向呢還是以能夠配合這個官方單位所指派的工作為主那這些呢我們未來都有很多精進跟檢討的空間部長我就是請你在備詢台上告訴我官方現在這五天指派了什麼工作嗎\n花蓮縣政府現在指派他什麼嗎對啊那我是不是請我們市長跟您報告一下我現在只有幾分鐘可以快答快一點嗎報告委員我們這個第二梯次的部分我們有發現到有些醫生我們就把他分化到這個衛生所來做疫診啦還有相關資料整理那另外他有資訊專長的部分在做他們的後續的這個資料的整備比如說他們要\n這個避難啦要垂直避難或者是要所以你現在要告訴我的是說你第一次一次確實是有狀況因為第一次召集來的120人次就是如同網路上說的新聞上報導的120人次在已經有10萬人次的志工去花蓮做清潔工作的時候你還叫招了120位後備替代役去做挖土的工作嘛\n這就是為人詬病的地方這就是我今天在跟你討論要不要檢討機制的部分好但是我聽到你現在的回答你第二梯次就做精進了對不對好那我要求你提出這個因為到24號嘛20號到24號現在正在進行第二梯次我要求你把現在第二梯次的資料拿出來並同第一次比較給我們看你第一次到第二次當中精進了多少項目多少人次怎麼運用這些可以做到吧\n很清楚嘛 對不對提供給委員會嘛每一個委員會都可以了解這樣的狀況甚至是你們現在其實就可以告訴全國的人民我們改進的速度是非常的快因為內政部是督導事實上這整件事情還是應該是花蓮縣政府啦我老實說啦\n老實說花蓮縣政府自己提出了叫招的這個需求把替代役後備備用的替代役叫回來了他本來就應該要做好工作可是沒有那你現在是督導單位嘛內政部是督導單位嘛所以要有嘛那我現在除了要求你提供項目之外我現在直接告訴你齁我們在替代役現行的狀況之下齁他其實是有告訴你分工的機制現行替代役的分工他有個要點\n可是我們替代役藝男服役期滿後的這個召集的就是後備替代役的他有召集辦法18條但都著重在召集沒有後面的分工所以我建議可以比照現行的這個替代役的作業要點的部分也提出明確的指引你贊成嗎我們目前在這個部分我們其實是對他的專長已經有做一些調查了實際上的應用以後我們會來我要求有一個檢討啦好謝謝\n謝謝 感謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.429 --> 00:14.679\n好謝謝主席我們請劉部長請保重委員早部長好部長我們今天就是跟您討論替代役職執行的狀況\n\n00:15.851 --> 00:44.845\n那其實在這次花蓮馬太安溪艷澀湖的災害因為非常重大所以帶給我們在很多機制上面都可以從方方面面檢討上一次我特別是在跟您討論現場志工因為這一次大量的超過10萬人次以上的這個志工進到花蓮這邊去讓大家看到了民心民力但也知道這個制度一定要做可是我記得您上一次跟我回答就志工可能歸衛福部你的回答是這樣那你這次的回答還是要一樣嗎是因為志願服務法\n\n00:45.785 --> 01:00.535\n是由那個衛福部來主管我知道但是志工的服務的話在這次馬太安心那邊其實所有中央各部會都有投入幫忙做志工包括導引或是分配工作等等都有包含在內對所以部長我就是在跟你討論機制的問題\n\n01:02.236 --> 01:21.574\n那我這次很高興在你的這個報告當中第二頁其實就看到了你這裡寫總統於113年6月19日宣布成立全社會防衛任性委員會然後呢本部主責民力訓練與運用之推動那就包含了現役被役替代役及役消役警及民間災害防救團體等\n\n01:23.095 --> 01:35.551\n可是名利所以確實沒有包括志工可是這整個的機制名利訓練與運用就是在內政部啊所以我還是覺得以內政部警察消防民防通通都在內政部之下這個機制應該要怎麼處理那\n\n01:38.454 --> 01:46.040\n我認為雖然法律規定現在衛福部啊啊看起來是這樣可是這個怎麼運用在災害裡面我認為還是應該內政部來主責啦為什麼呢因為你看我們沒有那麼大的能量我認為你可以在全社會防衛任性委員會當中建議把這個東西拿出來討論判划它不是行政院的機構它是一個諮詢性的角色那內政部會去協調相關的部會好內政部協調可以好內政部協調我收尾主責兩個字\n\n02:07.575 --> 02:28.984\n內政部協調這我可以同意因為你看副長我現在要跟您繼續討論的我們今天要討論替代役可是既然有10萬人次的志工進去做救災修復清整的這個工作那我想請問這一次內政部同意了花蓮縣政府的申請召集了這個替代役進去那替代役這240人次這次做了什麼\n\n02:31.764 --> 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