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00:01:36,657\n因為我們就我看就我了解這個這個辦法裡面來講一般喔這個備疫一難然後要先演訓完然後就可以勤務召集嘛那我想請教一下喔那以這樣子的改變喔大家認為我八年以後我這個退役八年以後就不用再演訓召集現在把它整個調整了以後什麼第一個什麼叫必要時內政部得是需要增加年限次數跟日數喔所以現在也不是一年一次每次五日現在整個完全開放\n\n5\n00:01:37,256 --> 00:01:59,146\n所以然後地方動員人數也從十分之一暴增到二分之一所以現在內政部有沒有統計整體的人數到底能演訓召集跟勤務召集尤其演訓召集的人數是多少那叫召的目的到底是什麼那總共的時間還有到底叫召到底我退役多久以後現在超過八年都要來演訓召集到底是\n\n6\n00:02:00,253 --> 00:02:11,941\n到底是幾年因為我看到你們一個表裡面25年的人數你們都在計算在這個今天的報告裡面去所以是不是退役以後25年的人都有可能叫招是不是請部長回答\n\n7\n00:02:12,926 --> 00:02:34,874\n報告委員基本上我們現在仍然是按照替代役的實情辦法來處理到目前為止沒有所謂得釋需要著徵的部分這個必要時得釋我現在把實際上執行的情形會跟委員做一下補充報告那我們現在的狀況其實就是跟國防部差不多都沒有做什麼所謂的必要時著徵\n\n8\n00:02:35,834 --> 00:03:02,445\n那目前的狀況我是不是請省市長部長你們有修復法律一定有相關的原因你們有相關的大概預測的人數然後預計的年限好謝謝拜託這個法律的修正剛才我們部長也說明過了就是要比較國經國經有這樣的一個機制那你們有沒有預計必要的時候什麼叫必要時候增加年限是增加幾年次數跟日期那你們沒有完全都沒有\n\n9\n00:03:02,945 --> 00:03:16,891\n那樣子的規劃為什麼就直接啟動修改這個實施犯法那因為第一個就是比照國金他們一樣替代役跟常備兵他們的權利義務基本上是一樣所以我們把他先訂這樣一個跟國金一致的規定你們是先\n\n10\n00:03:17,734 --> 00:03:45,117\n先怎麼樣先修正然後再來看是不是以後要試用嗎那以後有國軍國軍也是這樣子訂那國軍有必要我們也會試著跟國軍來做同樣的一個標準齁一個應用那麼如果以後我們要啟動這個鬥志那資源規模增加的原因是什麼啟動這個機制就是國軍如果認為有必要要所以以後以後是不是要協助國軍那協助國軍要做什麼是不是來支援關鍵基礎設施\n\n11\n00:03:46,514 --> 00:04:14,564\n還是做軍事輔助的工作就是說請這個緊要告訴我替代役在整個國家總體防衛裡面扮演到底是什麼角色我們最重要就是要做所謂的疏散避難還有緊急救護還有災民安置以及物資配送這些是我們以後替代役在防救災跟民防的工作跟那個所謂的這個CI就是關鍵基礎設施我們替代役是沒有進入這個區塊的\n\n12\n00:04:15,795 --> 00:04:23,146\n替代市未來會不會成為防災市每一個現在我們今年開始在替代這個基礎訓練都會有防災訓練這個可是\n\n13\n00:04:28,298 --> 00:04:47,178\n可是對照之後如果要勤務召集的時候在非常事變或戰時的時候這些替代藝欄也是需要來協助是嗎是備役的替代藝欄所以這一次我們就像我們這一次馬太安西疫流的事件就是我們請了花蓮縣政府然後把備役藝欄用勤務召集的方式來實施\n\n14\n00:04:49,414 --> 00:04:59,295\n好所以我還是要希望說那個師長這邊喔是不是可以你這個修法當時修法啟動的目的難道就只是為了配合國防部你自己內部有沒有做一些\n\n15\n00:05:00,089 --> 00:05:22,637\n內部的報告規劃統整的這個資料請問有沒有我們這樣子想因為如果說有必要時的時候像我們特別最近我們做一些防災式的訓練藝蘭包括現役跟備役都防疫相當好都反應相當好現前有一些備役超過8年的藝蘭他們認為他也想要學習那我再請教一下那請問現在備役召集剛剛部長特別有報告說\n\n16\n00:05:26,198 --> 00:05:50,107\n今年規劃一百一十四年是要召集到五萬五千人那包含很多個四大演訓嘛那我剛剛看報告裡面都看到說你們內部現在只有說預計會演訓的人數那現在實際的人目達到了達成率是多少目前我們達成率是要將近五成啦也已經十月了才達成五成對因為中間預算後來我們在辦追加預算才\n\n17\n00:05:50,871 --> 00:06:16,523\n因為我們預算被凍結的關係那你今年到年底的時候大概預計達到我們會來努力啦我們會來努力盡可能能夠達到那最後我是不是再請部長回應一下那今天討論的非常重要兩個問題大家看到最近的新聞就是今天這個其他政黨也提出來有關於有關於傘兵跟傘召集相關的修法這對傘兵的部分他在準備預計要修正的是\n\n18\n00:06:18,348 --> 00:06:38,104\n這個55條之一它有一個最低處六個月以上的一個部分那第二個是要請教說反召集這是新增的一個法令最低就是它修在第55條之五就是說避免召集的服務是處五年以下尤其徒刑那剛剛我聽部長這邊講說是要改成三年是嗎\n\n19\n00:06:40,603 --> 00:06:51,926\n還沒有確定可是我看到你報告裡面是寫這樣的內容所以您的意思是說這兩個法條你們有建議你們內部會考慮修改嗎報告委員我們的考慮是這樣子啦其實替代役也是兵役的一種所以我們都會跟國防部齊步這樣會比較好那國防部原則上是贊成內政部的主導方向那再加上那個委員有提到最近有所謂的這個閃兵役人的部分過去不要講役人啦閃兵的部分呢\n\n20\n00:07:07,049 --> 00:07:22,722\n在這個法院裡面判的部分大概都是六個月以下所以目前我們的兵役召集已經從四個月延長到一年之後那其實這已經不符合新的這個兵役法所以傘兵處六個月以上的部分您這邊認同嗎\n\n21\n00:07:24,613 --> 00:07:38,764\n呃我們可以可以一起來討討論好那但是現在是什麼方便因為你只有在報告裡寫說他們有派員過來我們不敢幫國防部做這樣子的現在已經開啟討論的的部分了嗎今天的會議的時候內政委會大概什麼時候會有個結論出來\n\n22\n00:07:40,585 --> 00:07:59,937\n我們想再過一陣子譬如說給我們三個月以上的時間看看我們必須要做這個替代役的這個有關相關條文的修正我們跟國防部甚至要跟衛福部因為包括體衛的部分或者是跟法務部這個罪行法定程序還是要一樣那我們再送出來會比較好這樣子會比較有自信好預計大概三個月的時間嗎好謝謝謝謝部長謝謝市長謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n1425\t25581\t好謝謝主席各位委員各位官員大家早有請劉部長好部長謝謝那今天是要討論這個替代役的問題那根據這個114年3月18號發布內政部跟國防部公告修正的替代役義男服役期滿後召集服刑實施辦法的部分我們有感覺這替代役的定位\n26263\t51425\t有改變的非常的多以前大家都知道是做社會服務那現在是要納入整個國家的防衛體系去來應對非常事變跟戰時的情況那這個轉變我覺得知識體大也牽扯到國家安全所以要請今天那個部長來跟我們說明一下針對所有異難的權益那新修正的這個實施辦法裡面的第三條\n52369\t67916\t把這個演訓召集跟勤務召集的部分尤其在演訓召集的時候把原本退役後8年內實施一年度一次為限的部分把它給取消起來必要時內政部得事需要增加年限次數跟日期\n68436\t96657\t因為我們就我看就我了解這個這個辦法裡面來講一般喔這個備疫一難然後要先演訓完然後就可以勤務召集嘛那我想請教一下喔那以這樣子的改變喔大家認為我八年以後我這個退役八年以後就不用再演訓召集現在把它整個調整了以後什麼第一個什麼叫必要時內政部得是需要增加年限次數跟日數喔所以現在也不是一年一次每次五日現在整個完全開放\n97256\t119146\t所以然後地方動員人數也從十分之一暴增到二分之一所以現在內政部有沒有統計整體的人數到底能演訓召集跟勤務召集尤其演訓召集的人數是多少那叫召的目的到底是什麼那總共的時間還有到底叫召到底我退役多久以後現在超過八年都要來演訓召集到底是\n120253\t131941\t到底是幾年 因為我看到你們一個表裡面25年的人數你們都在計算在這個今天的報告裡面去所以是不是退役以後25年的人都有可能叫招是不是請部長回答\n132926\t154874\t報告委員基本上我們現在仍然是按照替代役的實情辦法來處理到目前為止沒有所謂得釋需要著徵的部分這個必要時得釋我現在把實際上執行的情形會跟委員做一下補充報告那我們現在的狀況其實就是跟國防部差不多都沒有做什麼所謂的必要時著徵\n155834\t182445\t那目前的狀況我是不是請省市長部長你們有修復法律一定有相關的原因你們有相關的大概預測的人數然後預計的年限好謝謝拜託這個法律的修正剛才我們部長也說明過了就是要比較國經國經有這樣的一個機制那你們有沒有預計必要的時候什麼叫必要時候增加年限是增加幾年次數跟日期那你們沒有完全都沒有\n182945\t196891\t那樣子的規劃為什麼就直接啟動修改這個實施犯法那因為第一個就是比照國金他們一樣替代役跟常備兵他們的權利義務基本上是一樣所以我們把他先訂這樣一個跟國金一致的規定你們是先\n197734\t225117\t先怎麼樣先修正然後再來看是不是以後要試用嗎那以後有國軍國軍也是這樣子訂那國軍有必要我們也會試著跟國軍來做同樣的一個標準齁一個應用那麼如果以後我們要啟動這個鬥志 那資源規模增加的原因是什麼啟動這個機制就是國軍如果認為有必要要所以以後以後是不是要協助國軍那協助國軍要做什麼是不是來支援關鍵基礎設施\n226514\t254564\t還是做軍事輔助的工作就是說請這個緊要告訴我替代役在整個國家總體防衛裡面扮演到底是什麼角色我們最重要就是要做所謂的疏散避難還有緊急救護還有災民安置以及物資配送這些是我們以後替代役在防救災跟民防的工作跟那個所謂的這個CI就是關鍵基礎設施我們替代役是沒有進入這個區塊的\n255795\t263146\t替代市未來會不會成為防災市每一個現在我們今年開始在替代這個基礎訓練都會有防災訓練這個可是\n268298\t287178\t可是對照之後如果要勤務召集的時候在非常事變或戰時的時候這些替代藝欄也是需要來協助是嗎是 備役的替代藝欄所以這一次我們就像我們這一次馬太安西疫流的事件就是我們請了花蓮縣政府然後把備役藝欄用勤務召集的方式來實施\n289414\t299295\t好所以我還是要希望說那個師長這邊喔是不是可以你這個修法當時修法啟動的目的難道就只是為了配合國防部你自己內部有沒有做一些\n300089\t322637\t內部的報告規劃統整的這個資料請問有沒有我們這樣子想因為如果說有必要時的時候像我們特別最近我們做一些防災式的訓練藝蘭包括現役跟備役都防疫相當好都反應相當好現前有一些備役超過8年的藝蘭他們認為他也想要學習那我再請教一下那請問現在備役召集剛剛部長特別有報告說\n326198\t350107\t今年規劃一百一十四年是要召集到五萬五千人那包含很多個四大演訓嘛那我剛剛看報告裡面都看到說你們內部現在只有說預計會演訓的人數那現在實際的人目達到了達成率是多少目前我們達成率是要將近五成啦也已經十月了才達成五成對因為中間預算後來我們在辦追加預算才\n350871\t376523\t因為我們預算被凍結的關係那你今年到年底的時候大概預計達到我們會來努力啦我們會來努力 盡可能能夠達到那最後我是不是再請部長回應一下那今天討論的非常重要兩個問題大家看到最近的新聞就是今天這個其他政黨也提出來有關於有關於傘兵跟傘召集相關的修法這對傘兵的部分他在準備預計要修正的是\n378348\t398104\t這個55條之一它有一個最低處六個月以上的一個部分那第二個是要請教說反召集這是新增的一個法令最低就是它修在第55條之五就是說避免召集的服務是處五年以下尤其徒刑那剛剛我聽部長這邊講說是要改成三年是嗎\n400603\t411926\t還沒有確定可是我看到你報告裡面是寫這樣的內容所以您的意思是說這兩個法條你們有建議你們內部會考慮修改嗎報告委員我們的考慮是這樣子啦其實替代役也是兵役的一種所以我們都會跟國防部齊步這樣會比較好那國防部原則上是贊成內政部的主導方向那再加上那個委員有提到最近有所謂的這個閃兵役人的部分過去不要講役人啦閃兵的部分呢\n427049\t442722\t在這個法院裡面判的部分大概都是六個月以下所以目前我們的兵役召集已經從四個月延長到一年之後那其實這已經不符合新的這個兵役法所以傘兵處六個月以上的部分您這邊認同嗎\n444613\t458764\t呃我們可以可以一起來討討論好那但是現在是什麼方便因為你只有在報告裡寫說他們有派員過來我們不敢幫國防部做這樣子的現在已經開啟討論的的部分了嗎今天的會議的時候內政委會大概什麼時候會有個結論出來\n460585\t479937\t我們想再過一陣子譬如說給我們三個月以上的時間看看我們必須要做這個替代役的這個有關相關條文的修正我們跟國防部甚至要跟衛福部因為包括體衛的部分或者是跟法務部這個罪行法定程序還是要一樣那我們再送出來會比較好這樣子會比較有自信好 預計大概三個月的時間嗎好 謝謝 謝謝部長 謝謝市長謝謝\n","txt":"好謝謝主席各位委員各位官員大家早有請劉部長好部長謝謝那今天是要討論這個替代役的問題那根據這個114年3月18號發布內政部跟國防部公告修正的替代役義男服役期滿後召集服刑實施辦法的部分我們有感覺這替代役的定位\n有改變的非常的多以前大家都知道是做社會服務那現在是要納入整個國家的防衛體系去來應對非常事變跟戰時的情況那這個轉變我覺得知識體大也牽扯到國家安全所以要請今天那個部長來跟我們說明一下針對所有異難的權益那新修正的這個實施辦法裡面的第三條\n把這個演訓召集跟勤務召集的部分尤其在演訓召集的時候把原本退役後8年內實施一年度一次為限的部分把它給取消起來必要時內政部得事需要增加年限次數跟日期\n因為我們就我看就我了解這個這個辦法裡面來講一般喔這個備疫一難然後要先演訓完然後就可以勤務召集嘛那我想請教一下喔那以這樣子的改變喔大家認為我八年以後我這個退役八年以後就不用再演訓召集現在把它整個調整了以後什麼第一個什麼叫必要時內政部得是需要增加年限次數跟日數喔所以現在也不是一年一次每次五日現在整個完全開放\n所以然後地方動員人數也從十分之一暴增到二分之一所以現在內政部有沒有統計整體的人數到底能演訓召集跟勤務召集尤其演訓召集的人數是多少那叫召的目的到底是什麼那總共的時間還有到底叫召到底我退役多久以後現在超過八年都要來演訓召集到底是\n到底是幾年 因為我看到你們一個表裡面25年的人數你們都在計算在這個今天的報告裡面去所以是不是退役以後25年的人都有可能叫招是不是請部長回答\n報告委員基本上我們現在仍然是按照替代役的實情辦法來處理到目前為止沒有所謂得釋需要著徵的部分這個必要時得釋我現在把實際上執行的情形會跟委員做一下補充報告那我們現在的狀況其實就是跟國防部差不多都沒有做什麼所謂的必要時著徵\n那目前的狀況我是不是請省市長部長你們有修復法律一定有相關的原因你們有相關的大概預測的人數然後預計的年限好謝謝拜託這個法律的修正剛才我們部長也說明過了就是要比較國經國經有這樣的一個機制那你們有沒有預計必要的時候什麼叫必要時候增加年限是增加幾年次數跟日期那你們沒有完全都沒有\n那樣子的規劃為什麼就直接啟動修改這個實施犯法那因為第一個就是比照國金他們一樣替代役跟常備兵他們的權利義務基本上是一樣所以我們把他先訂這樣一個跟國金一致的規定你們是先\n先怎麼樣先修正然後再來看是不是以後要試用嗎那以後有國軍國軍也是這樣子訂那國軍有必要我們也會試著跟國軍來做同樣的一個標準齁一個應用那麼如果以後我們要啟動這個鬥志 那資源規模增加的原因是什麼啟動這個機制就是國軍如果認為有必要要所以以後以後是不是要協助國軍那協助國軍要做什麼是不是來支援關鍵基礎設施\n還是做軍事輔助的工作就是說請這個緊要告訴我替代役在整個國家總體防衛裡面扮演到底是什麼角色我們最重要就是要做所謂的疏散避難還有緊急救護還有災民安置以及物資配送這些是我們以後替代役在防救災跟民防的工作跟那個所謂的這個CI就是關鍵基礎設施我們替代役是沒有進入這個區塊的\n替代市未來會不會成為防災市每一個現在我們今年開始在替代這個基礎訓練都會有防災訓練這個可是\n可是對照之後如果要勤務召集的時候在非常事變或戰時的時候這些替代藝欄也是需要來協助是嗎是 備役的替代藝欄所以這一次我們就像我們這一次馬太安西疫流的事件就是我們請了花蓮縣政府然後把備役藝欄用勤務召集的方式來實施\n好所以我還是要希望說那個師長這邊喔是不是可以你這個修法當時修法啟動的目的難道就只是為了配合國防部你自己內部有沒有做一些\n內部的報告規劃統整的這個資料請問有沒有我們這樣子想因為如果說有必要時的時候像我們特別最近我們做一些防災式的訓練藝蘭包括現役跟備役都防疫相當好都反應相當好現前有一些備役超過8年的藝蘭他們認為他也想要學習那我再請教一下那請問現在備役召集剛剛部長特別有報告說\n今年規劃一百一十四年是要召集到五萬五千人那包含很多個四大演訓嘛那我剛剛看報告裡面都看到說你們內部現在只有說預計會演訓的人數那現在實際的人目達到了達成率是多少目前我們達成率是要將近五成啦也已經十月了才達成五成對因為中間預算後來我們在辦追加預算才\n因為我們預算被凍結的關係那你今年到年底的時候大概預計達到我們會來努力啦我們會來努力 盡可能能夠達到那最後我是不是再請部長回應一下那今天討論的非常重要兩個問題大家看到最近的新聞就是今天這個其他政黨也提出來有關於有關於傘兵跟傘召集相關的修法這對傘兵的部分他在準備預計要修正的是\n這個55條之一它有一個最低處六個月以上的一個部分那第二個是要請教說反召集這是新增的一個法令最低就是它修在第55條之五就是說避免召集的服務是處五年以下尤其徒刑那剛剛我聽部長這邊講說是要改成三年是嗎\n還沒有確定可是我看到你報告裡面是寫這樣的內容所以您的意思是說這兩個法條你們有建議你們內部會考慮修改嗎報告委員我們的考慮是這樣子啦其實替代役也是兵役的一種所以我們都會跟國防部齊步這樣會比較好那國防部原則上是贊成內政部的主導方向那再加上那個委員有提到最近有所謂的這個閃兵役人的部分過去不要講役人啦閃兵的部分呢\n在這個法院裡面判的部分大概都是六個月以下所以目前我們的兵役召集已經從四個月延長到一年之後那其實這已經不符合新的這個兵役法所以傘兵處六個月以上的部分您這邊認同嗎\n呃我們可以可以一起來討討論好那但是現在是什麼方便因為你只有在報告裡寫說他們有派員過來我們不敢幫國防部做這樣子的現在已經開啟討論的的部分了嗎今天的會議的時候內政委會大概什麼時候會有個結論出來\n我們想再過一陣子譬如說給我們三個月以上的時間看看我們必須要做這個替代役的這個有關相關條文的修正我們跟國防部甚至要跟衛福部因為包括體衛的部分或者是跟法務部這個罪行法定程序還是要一樣那我們再送出來會比較好這樣子會比較有自信好 預計大概三個月的時間嗎好 謝謝 謝謝部長 謝謝市長謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:01.425 --> 00:25.581\n好謝謝主席各位委員各位官員大家早有請劉部長好部長謝謝那今天是要討論這個替代役的問題那根據這個114年3月18號發布內政部跟國防部公告修正的替代役義男服役期滿後召集服刑實施辦法的部分我們有感覺這替代役的定位\n\n00:26.263 --> 00:51.425\n有改變的非常的多以前大家都知道是做社會服務那現在是要納入整個國家的防衛體系去來應對非常事變跟戰時的情況那這個轉變我覺得知識體大也牽扯到國家安全所以要請今天那個部長來跟我們說明一下針對所有異難的權益那新修正的這個實施辦法裡面的第三條\n\n00:52.369 --> 01:07.916\n把這個演訓召集跟勤務召集的部分尤其在演訓召集的時候把原本退役後8年內實施一年度一次為限的部分把它給取消起來必要時內政部得事需要增加年限次數跟日期\n\n01:08.436 --> 01:36.657\n因為我們就我看就我了解這個這個辦法裡面來講一般喔這個備疫一難然後要先演訓完然後就可以勤務召集嘛那我想請教一下喔那以這樣子的改變喔大家認為我八年以後我這個退役八年以後就不用再演訓召集現在把它整個調整了以後什麼第一個什麼叫必要時內政部得是需要增加年限次數跟日數喔所以現在也不是一年一次每次五日現在整個完全開放\n\n01:37.256 --> 01:59.146\n所以然後地方動員人數也從十分之一暴增到二分之一所以現在內政部有沒有統計整體的人數到底能演訓召集跟勤務召集尤其演訓召集的人數是多少那叫召的目的到底是什麼那總共的時間還有到底叫召到底我退役多久以後現在超過八年都要來演訓召集到底是\n\n02:00.253 --> 02:11.941\n到底是幾年因為我看到你們一個表裡面25年的人數你們都在計算在這個今天的報告裡面去所以是不是退役以後25年的人都有可能叫招是不是請部長回答\n\n02:12.926 --> 02:34.874\n報告委員基本上我們現在仍然是按照替代役的實情辦法來處理到目前為止沒有所謂得釋需要著徵的部分這個必要時得釋我現在把實際上執行的情形會跟委員做一下補充報告那我們現在的狀況其實就是跟國防部差不多都沒有做什麼所謂的必要時著徵\n\n02:35.834 --> 03:02.445\n那目前的狀況我是不是請省市長部長你們有修復法律一定有相關的原因你們有相關的大概預測的人數然後預計的年限好謝謝拜託這個法律的修正剛才我們部長也說明過了就是要比較國經國經有這樣的一個機制那你們有沒有預計必要的時候什麼叫必要時候增加年限是增加幾年次數跟日期那你們沒有完全都沒有\n\n03:02.945 --> 03:16.891\n那樣子的規劃為什麼就直接啟動修改這個實施犯法那因為第一個就是比照國金他們一樣替代役跟常備兵他們的權利義務基本上是一樣所以我們把他先訂這樣一個跟國金一致的規定你們是先\n\n03:17.734 --> 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