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00:01:22,512\n市長好我們一南依法就是有服兵役的義務但事實上我們看到的替代役免役的確定早已被社會質疑是就是有錢人的特權就像今年初爆出就是藝人假的病例逃兵案還有王大陸陳零九的這些藝人\n\n5\n00:01:23,362 --> 00:01:42,889\n花錢買診斷證明成功逃逃逃逃逃逃逃逃逃逃逃逃逃逃逃逃逃逃逃逃逃逃逃逃逃逃逃逃逃逃逃逃逃逃逃逃逃逃逃逃逃逃逃逃逃逃逃逃逃逃逃逃逃逃逃逃逃逃逃逃逃逃逃逃逃逃逃逃逃逃逃逃逃逃逃逃逃逃逃逃逃逃逃逃逃逃逃逃逃逃逃逃逃逃逃逃逃逃逃逃逃逃逃逃逃逃\n\n6\n00:01:53,177 --> 00:02:04,880\n是這個部分我們發現到這個問題事實上就是我們在有一個判處免疫體位的這些案件都必須要送到我們\n\n7\n00:02:06,372 --> 00:02:24,891\n體會審查委員會那麼我們分這個初選跟複選那初選的時候發現到有問題我們就會提到這個複選就是複選這個機制是我們跟各醫協會的派出來的醫生專業的醫師我們共同來討論相關的案件那\n\n8\n00:02:26,212 --> 00:02:45,579\n會發現到這個高血壓這個案件是因為我們在審查委員會發現到很多類似集中的這個案件案件相當多所以我們在前年的年底發現到之後我們在今年初我們就主動的把相關的案件送到地檢單位來做偵辦所以這個部分就是我們在體會審查委員會裡面就\n\n9\n00:02:46,918 --> 00:03:06,138\n有發揮到這樣的一個功能那後續這個部分有些案件因為體溫區分標準的規範還不夠嚴謹的部分我們也發現到這個問題所以我們跟國防部就來啟動體溫區分標準的修正好除了醫療證明的漏洞所以剛才你說就是\n\n10\n00:03:07,506 --> 00:03:33,069\n就是很多的把關啦但是還是有那麼多的就是醫療證明的漏洞不管是家庭的因素還是宗教的因素申請替代役也被網友質疑濫用所以請問我們的醫政司如何嚴格驗證這些申請因為剛才你講的是有但是除了這樣還有沒有\n\n11\n00:03:34,141 --> 00:04:01,663\n有沒有更讓大家就是說你們沒有濫用這樣是這個因為標準的修訂是配合我們的兵役證之後來做調整所以剛才委員有示教就是說有關你家庭因素的部分以往是相對的比較寬鬆那我們已經做了一個標準的修正了這個標準的修正之後我們已經很大部分本來是可以服補充便或者服替待遇的都已經移到\n\n12\n00:04:02,130 --> 00:04:29,646\n到長邊縣議題為了以往這個部分差不多有五千多人那現在這個部分呢只有三千多人來扶替代役那這個替代役呢我們這些家庭因素的替代役我們現在就把他們規劃訓練為這個防災式的訓練以後到公所裡面去應用但是因為我看到你們的報告裡面都半年了但是沒有一個真正的作為啦所以我們看到你說查出了一百多件無病歷史就是\n\n13\n00:04:30,626 --> 00:04:41,150\n突然就是有得病的可疑案例顯示就是我們陷阱的審查機制確實有在漏洞所以我們希望說這個後續的處理的進度還有其中多少案件確認是偽造還有我們的我們的醫政司是否是已經追回就是散兵的義男的義務移送司法\n\n14\n00:04:56,815 --> 00:04:57,717\n因為我們看到你講了越講越多但是半年了我們在你報告裡面我們沒有看到的具體的計畫跟作為啦\n\n15\n00:05:06,178 --> 00:05:27,910\n有我們都有按照這個步驟配合地檢署的偵辦我們目前都有跟他們來配合那些有些案件因為是監察不公差所以我們還是沒有對外來做宣布那這個部分呢我們都積極的在有在配合這個請委員放心我們不慌不腫啦一定這個只要是涉及逃避兵役我們絕不寬待\n\n16\n00:05:29,568 --> 00:05:49,419\n很好我們因為身為主管機構所以我們希望就是監討為什麼就是有這樣的漏洞還有長期的存在也越來越增加對不對昨天就是也有也有其他的案件的產生所以我們只是說不能單靠就是罰金的制度\n\n17\n00:05:50,095 --> 00:06:16,626\n是否真正能防止有錢就能散兵的亂象是否知識雜種對頂替的他人或者介紹他人頂替的行者這個就是想要問你的要有一個最重的或者是怎麼樣的行則讓他們才覺得說要必須不能再去做這件事情\n\n18\n00:06:16,909 --> 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