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00:01:04,840\n事實上是非常不公平那我們其實知道從健保制度84年實施以來照理說衛福部已經全面掌握全國民眾的完整的一個健康的資料所以說我們看到這些藝人平常的時候都活蹦亂跳但是到了當兵的時候就突然出現身體不適或是罕見疾病所以本席要請問部長的就是我們的健保資料跟我們體位的審查是否有整合的機制\n\n4\n00:01:05,599 --> 00:01:33,034\n目前沒有因為我們中間有一個叫做體檢那那個體檢的話就是根據兵役法是由內政部跟國防部一起把這個體檢完成所以目前沒有這樣子一個整合機制嗎目前還沒有因為整合這個機制還涉及到個資的部分那我們看在申請便跟體位的時候照理說相關單位也就是我們這邊應該是要參考一下這個個人的一個健保的就業紀錄就他平常有沒有這些異常\n\n5\n00:01:34,054 --> 00:01:41,820\n或他平常有這樣的一個用藥的紀錄而不是在短期內就這樣子的一個這個醫療紀錄像這樣的這樣我們我覺得應該是類似就高風險的一個造假是不是應該要有一個專責小組來附身是謝謝委員的關心委員您講到重點也就是說他平常身體非常健康那為什麼要到服兵役的時候突然身體就有狀況\n\n6\n00:01:57,952 --> 00:02:01,413\n那這個部分我們漏洞要來處理那現在也朝著這個機制在發展那相關的這個初檢跟體檢的復檢我是不是請議政司長很快跟委員回應一下好嗎沒關係這個部分我想就後續可能再給辦公室資料因為今天的時間比較短我接下來想請教的是就面對社會對傘兵的不滿因為這一段時間吵得沸沸揚揚所以\n\n7\n00:02:20,539 --> 00:02:40,586\n政府有沒有什麼具體的行動計畫要重拾年輕世代對我們這個服兵役的一個信心是我想整一個體檢制度上面的漏洞我剛剛有跟委員報告過了包括在這個復檢或者體檢的過程當中是不是有些漏洞我們要補齊那我們也發現到閃兵後面有沒有有一些是犯罪集團\n\n8\n00:02:41,306 --> 00:03:01,217\n甚至包括有醫生啊醫生不配合他有怎麼辦法有出去這樣的一個證明所以我們現在所知道就是包括這一次的這個案例裡面呢有某一些特定的不孝醫生其實地檢署已經在偵辦當中所以目前已經移送法辦了就對了我想我們尊重司法單位的調查請問說有沒有移送法辦嗎\n\n9\n00:03:01,897 --> 00:03:06,781\n應該會跟委員報告因為剛剛講說已經你們已經主動請地檢署在整這個嗎是已經我們移送了但是他偵查了進度因為這個要非常專業你要看得懂病例表裡面的這些東西必須要跟所以本席在這邊是建議我們內政部應該建立一個健保資料跟體位審查系統的一個串聯機制那由衛福部國防部大家共同審查那如果發現有這樣子一個健康不符的這個\n\n10\n00:03:31,881 --> 00:03:57,682\n這狀況的時候我們就主動的啟動那個復檢的一個機制我們朝著這個方向要集體管控這個我們的採檢避免假病例的出現好嗎是好謝謝那接下來要請教的是兩位可以請回我接下來要請教的是有關替代役備役部長麻煩您所以我們要請教的是有關替代役備役的一個召集部長可以看到一下這個表就是我們從替代役的備役役難的演訓召集人數從105年\n\n11\n00:04:00,151 --> 00:04:21,961\n的一千多人到現在今年去年一百一十三年預估是五萬八千六百一十八人那最後當結訓的是五萬零五十二人我們可以看到為什麼在過去這個政府對替代役的藝男的召集跟延續是如此疏於規劃是一直到去年才有這樣子的一個\n\n12\n00:04:22,797 --> 00:04:46,514\n大規模的演訓召集的活動那是什麼樣的一個狀況因為如果是這樣子的一個大幅度的一個增加到底是出於災防跟社會任性的考量還是因為兩岸局勢的惡化政府已經在為最壞的狀況做準備報告委員這個是內政委會要求我們要把被替代役的演訓召集要實務上面來處理所以才會有跳聲這麼多\n\n13\n00:04:47,014 --> 00:05:04,069\n所以實務商會來處理是怎樣我是不是請易正思跟您補充這個報告我們召委之前的幾屆的委員會都有說我們替代議之前的這個備議召集的人數就一千多人跟國金差距太多差距太多是希望我們能夠做更大量的一個這個\n\n14\n00:05:04,770 --> 00:05:09,294\n所以你可以看到那個增加的幅度已經不是一倍兩倍喔是幾十倍喔所以如果一樣是你說的這個在以前都是因為災防跟社會韌性嘛那災防每年都有啊風災地震每年都有啊那但是你這個災防跟社會韌性的部分的話就增加到五萬多的這個\n\n15\n00:05:29,169 --> 00:05:55,709\n這個替代役難所以當然就會讓大家懷疑是不是因為兩岸局勢已經惡化然後大家在為最壞的狀況做準備那跟委員報告就因為我們除此之外因為我們替代役在112年之後就是因為任務的轉型以往我們替代役都是在政府機關在做所謂的公共事務的輔助性工作跟社會公益服務那後來我們替代役現在轉型要做民防做救災的工作\n\n16\n00:05:56,149 --> 00:05:56,851\n相關的這個部分我想我們都知道但我今天要問的問題就是說因為\n\n17\n00:06:02,358 --> 00:06:26,128\n以前是疏於演練現在開始我們有一個演訓召集的比例提高這麼高那我現在要請教部長就是說在這一次的馬太安的這個艷澀湖的潰壩之後內政部首次召開勤務召集直接讓備役替代義男上場救災那剛剛部長有講大概人數大概近百人你們召集120人達到九成那差不多就是九十六九十五大概九成左右請問有多少比例是在過去三年中\n\n18\n00:06:30,510 --> 00:06:53,847\n未受過演訓的召集我們可能要查明一下為什麼要問這個問題就是說現在已經去參加這個就是在這一次有將近你說九十幾名的這個被疫易難有多少是在過去三年內沒有受過演訓召集的我要提這個問題的意思就是說如果他們大部分都沒有受過演訓召集就馬上要去這個救災的話事實上會存在著安全跟執勤的風險我主要要問的是這個\n\n19\n00:06:59,771 --> 00:07:27,537\n這個部分我們現階段沒有做調查他之前是不是有接受演訓招集也就是我們後續我們後續要做大幅度的給他們做訓練比較多的訓練就是因為他們任務的關係我今天要凸顯這個問題就是說你們去年已經召集了5萬多人嘛照理說應該是有很高一個比例是有做過演訓召集那目前你們沒有這個資料對我知道那但是就是說會後是不是可以提供給我們那我想要表達的重點就是說\n\n20\n00:07:28,857 --> 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劉部長\n8781\t36168\t學員好部長好部長昨天喔又因為這個藝人閃兵喔有幾位的藝人喔被居體逮捕那我想這件事情其實已經鬧了一段時候那其實我們說實在平常看到這些藝人喔在螢幕面前都是活力十足而且身體非常健朗可是每次要到當兵的時候呢就要嘛就是可以免疫要嘛就是可以轉服替代疫所以說對很多的年輕人還有他的家長都覺得\n37276\t64840\t事實上是非常不公平那我們其實知道從健保制度84年實施以來照理說衛福部已經全面掌握全國民眾的完整的一個健康的資料所以說我們看到這些藝人平常的時候都活蹦亂跳但是到了當兵的時候就突然出現身體不適或是罕見疾病所以本席要請問部長的就是我們的健保資料跟我們體位的審查是否有整合的機制\n65599\t93034\t目前沒有因為我們中間有一個叫做體檢那那個體檢的話就是根據兵役法是由內政部跟國防部一起把這個體檢完成所以目前沒有這樣子一個整合機制嗎目前還沒有因為整合這個機制還涉及到個資的部分那我們看在申請便跟體位的時候照理說相關單位也就是我們這邊應該是要參考一下這個個人的一個健保的就業紀錄就他平常有沒有這些異常\n94054\t101820\t或他平常有這樣的一個用藥的紀錄而不是在短期內就這樣子的一個這個醫療紀錄像這樣的這樣我們我覺得應該是類似就高風險的一個造假是不是應該要有一個專責小組來附身是謝謝委員的關心委員您講到重點也就是說他平常身體非常健康那為什麼要到服兵役的時候突然身體就有狀況\n117952\t121413\t那這個部分我們漏洞要來處理那現在也朝著這個機制在發展那相關的這個初檢跟體檢的復檢我是不是請議政司長很快跟委員回應一下好嗎沒關係這個部分我想就後續可能再給辦公室資料因為今天的時間比較短我接下來想請教的是就面對社會對傘兵的不滿因為這一段時間吵得沸沸揚揚所以\n140539\t160586\t政府有沒有什麼具體的行動計畫要重拾年輕世代對我們這個服兵役的一個信心是 我想整一個體檢制度上面的漏洞我剛剛有跟委員報告過了包括在這個復檢或者體檢的過程當中是不是有些漏洞我們要補齊那我們也發現到閃兵後面有沒有有一些是犯罪集團\n161306\t181217\t甚至包括有醫生啊醫生不配合他有怎麼辦法有出去這樣的一個證明所以我們現在所知道就是包括這一次的這個案例裡面呢有某一些特定的不孝醫生其實地檢署已經在偵辦當中所以目前已經移送法辦了就對了我想我們尊重司法單位的調查請問說有沒有移送法辦嗎\n181897\t186781\t應該會跟委員報告因為剛剛講說已經你們已經主動請地檢署在整這個嗎是 已經我們移送了但是他偵查了進度因為這個要非常專業你要看得懂病例表裡面的這些東西必須要跟所以本席在這邊是建議我們內政部應該建立一個健保資料跟體位審查系統的一個串聯機制那由衛福部 國防部大家共同審查那如果發現有這樣子一個健康不符的這個\n211881\t237682\t這狀況的時候 我們就主動的啟動那個復檢的一個機制我們朝著這個方向 要集體管控這個我們的採檢 避免假病例的出現 好嗎是 好 謝謝那接下來要請教的是兩位可以請回我 接下來要請教的是有關替代役 備役部長 麻煩您所以我們要請教的是有關替代役 備役的一個召集部長可以看到一下這個表就是我們從替代役的備役役難的演訓召集人數從105年\n240151\t261961\t的一千多人到現在今年去年一百一十三年預估是五萬八千六百一十八人那最後當結訓的是五萬零五十二人我們可以看到為什麼在過去這個政府對替代役的藝男的召集跟延續是如此疏於規劃是一直到去年才有這樣子的一個\n262797\t286514\t大規模的演訓召集的活動那是什麼樣的一個狀況因為如果是這樣子的一個大幅度的一個增加到底是出於災防跟社會任性的考量還是因為兩岸局勢的惡化政府已經在為最壞的狀況做準備報告委員這個是內政委會要求我們要把被替代役的演訓召集要實務上面來處理所以才會有跳聲這麼多\n287014\t304069\t所以實務商會來處理是怎樣我是不是請易正思跟您補充這個報告我們召委之前的幾屆的委員會都有說我們替代議之前的這個備議召集的人數就一千多人跟國金差距太多差距太多是希望我們能夠做更大量的一個這個\n304770\t309294\t所以你可以看到那個增加的幅度已經不是一倍兩倍喔是幾十倍喔所以如果一樣是你說的這個在以前都是因為災防跟社會韌性嘛那災防每年都有啊風災地震每年都有啊那但是你這個災防跟社會韌性的部分的話就增加到五萬多的這個\n329169\t355709\t這個替代役難所以當然就會讓大家懷疑是不是因為兩岸局勢已經惡化然後大家在為最壞的狀況做準備那跟委員報告就因為我們除此之外因為我們替代役在112年之後就是因為任務的轉型以往我們替代役都是在政府機關在做所謂的公共事務的輔助性工作跟社會公益服務那後來我們替代役現在轉型要做民防做救災的工作\n356149\t356851\t相關的這個部分我想我們都知道但我今天要問的問題就是說因為\n362358\t386128\t以前是疏於演練現在開始我們有一個演訓召集的比例提高這麼高那我現在要請教部長就是說在這一次的馬太安的這個艷澀湖的潰壩之後內政部首次召開勤務召集直接讓備役替代義男上場救災那剛剛部長有講大概人數大概近百人你們召集120人達到九成那差不多就是九十六 九十五大概九成左右請問有多少比例是在過去三年中\n390510\t413847\t未受過演訓的召集我們可能要查明一下為什麼要問這個問題就是說現在已經去參加這個就是在這一次有將近你說九十幾名的這個被疫易難有多少是在過去三年內沒有受過演訓召集的我要提這個問題的意思就是說如果他們大部分都沒有受過演訓召集就馬上要去這個救災的話事實上會存在著安全跟執勤的風險我主要要問的是這個\n419771\t447537\t這個部分我們現階段沒有做調查他之前是不是有接受演訓招集也就是我們後續我們後續要做大幅度的給他們做訓練比較多的訓練就是因為他們任務的關係我今天要凸顯這個問題就是說你們去年已經召集了5萬多人嘛照理說應該是有很高一個比例是有做過演訓召集那目前你們沒有這個資料對 我知道那但是就是說會後是不是可以提供給我們那我想要表達的重點就是說\n448857\t476788\t應該是要讓他們有受過這個演訓召集之後才能夠上場去做救援我同意但是我跟委員報告就是我們在做這個演訓召集的這個人數呢是尊重花蓮縣政府他們去把這些人找出來我的意思是說他們有沒有做過訓練我們再去查明一下再跟委員報告就是我希望未來能夠去做救援的人他都是有做過這些訓練他上場這樣才能夠不外保障他自己的安全也真正能夠救災有有有我們會朝著這方面謝謝委員的指教\n","txt":"我們請劉世芳 劉部長\n學員好部長好部長昨天喔又因為這個藝人閃兵喔有幾位的藝人喔被居體逮捕那我想這件事情其實已經鬧了一段時候那其實我們說實在平常看到這些藝人喔在螢幕面前都是活力十足而且身體非常健朗可是每次要到當兵的時候呢就要嘛就是可以免疫要嘛就是可以轉服替代疫所以說對很多的年輕人還有他的家長都覺得\n事實上是非常不公平那我們其實知道從健保制度84年實施以來照理說衛福部已經全面掌握全國民眾的完整的一個健康的資料所以說我們看到這些藝人平常的時候都活蹦亂跳但是到了當兵的時候就突然出現身體不適或是罕見疾病所以本席要請問部長的就是我們的健保資料跟我們體位的審查是否有整合的機制\n目前沒有因為我們中間有一個叫做體檢那那個體檢的話就是根據兵役法是由內政部跟國防部一起把這個體檢完成所以目前沒有這樣子一個整合機制嗎目前還沒有因為整合這個機制還涉及到個資的部分那我們看在申請便跟體位的時候照理說相關單位也就是我們這邊應該是要參考一下這個個人的一個健保的就業紀錄就他平常有沒有這些異常\n或他平常有這樣的一個用藥的紀錄而不是在短期內就這樣子的一個這個醫療紀錄像這樣的這樣我們我覺得應該是類似就高風險的一個造假是不是應該要有一個專責小組來附身是謝謝委員的關心委員您講到重點也就是說他平常身體非常健康那為什麼要到服兵役的時候突然身體就有狀況\n那這個部分我們漏洞要來處理那現在也朝著這個機制在發展那相關的這個初檢跟體檢的復檢我是不是請議政司長很快跟委員回應一下好嗎沒關係這個部分我想就後續可能再給辦公室資料因為今天的時間比較短我接下來想請教的是就面對社會對傘兵的不滿因為這一段時間吵得沸沸揚揚所以\n政府有沒有什麼具體的行動計畫要重拾年輕世代對我們這個服兵役的一個信心是 我想整一個體檢制度上面的漏洞我剛剛有跟委員報告過了包括在這個復檢或者體檢的過程當中是不是有些漏洞我們要補齊那我們也發現到閃兵後面有沒有有一些是犯罪集團\n甚至包括有醫生啊醫生不配合他有怎麼辦法有出去這樣的一個證明所以我們現在所知道就是包括這一次的這個案例裡面呢有某一些特定的不孝醫生其實地檢署已經在偵辦當中所以目前已經移送法辦了就對了我想我們尊重司法單位的調查請問說有沒有移送法辦嗎\n應該會跟委員報告因為剛剛講說已經你們已經主動請地檢署在整這個嗎是 已經我們移送了但是他偵查了進度因為這個要非常專業你要看得懂病例表裡面的這些東西必須要跟所以本席在這邊是建議我們內政部應該建立一個健保資料跟體位審查系統的一個串聯機制那由衛福部 國防部大家共同審查那如果發現有這樣子一個健康不符的這個\n這狀況的時候 我們就主動的啟動那個復檢的一個機制我們朝著這個方向 要集體管控這個我們的採檢 避免假病例的出現 好嗎是 好 謝謝那接下來要請教的是兩位可以請回我 接下來要請教的是有關替代役 備役部長 麻煩您所以我們要請教的是有關替代役 備役的一個召集部長可以看到一下這個表就是我們從替代役的備役役難的演訓召集人數從105年\n的一千多人到現在今年去年一百一十三年預估是五萬八千六百一十八人那最後當結訓的是五萬零五十二人我們可以看到為什麼在過去這個政府對替代役的藝男的召集跟延續是如此疏於規劃是一直到去年才有這樣子的一個\n大規模的演訓召集的活動那是什麼樣的一個狀況因為如果是這樣子的一個大幅度的一個增加到底是出於災防跟社會任性的考量還是因為兩岸局勢的惡化政府已經在為最壞的狀況做準備報告委員這個是內政委會要求我們要把被替代役的演訓召集要實務上面來處理所以才會有跳聲這麼多\n所以實務商會來處理是怎樣我是不是請易正思跟您補充這個報告我們召委之前的幾屆的委員會都有說我們替代議之前的這個備議召集的人數就一千多人跟國金差距太多差距太多是希望我們能夠做更大量的一個這個\n所以你可以看到那個增加的幅度已經不是一倍兩倍喔是幾十倍喔所以如果一樣是你說的這個在以前都是因為災防跟社會韌性嘛那災防每年都有啊風災地震每年都有啊那但是你這個災防跟社會韌性的部分的話就增加到五萬多的這個\n這個替代役難所以當然就會讓大家懷疑是不是因為兩岸局勢已經惡化然後大家在為最壞的狀況做準備那跟委員報告就因為我們除此之外因為我們替代役在112年之後就是因為任務的轉型以往我們替代役都是在政府機關在做所謂的公共事務的輔助性工作跟社會公益服務那後來我們替代役現在轉型要做民防做救災的工作\n相關的這個部分我想我們都知道但我今天要問的問題就是說因為\n以前是疏於演練現在開始我們有一個演訓召集的比例提高這麼高那我現在要請教部長就是說在這一次的馬太安的這個艷澀湖的潰壩之後內政部首次召開勤務召集直接讓備役替代義男上場救災那剛剛部長有講大概人數大概近百人你們召集120人達到九成那差不多就是九十六 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