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00:02:05,899\n像今年有一萬三千六百五十人都一定要取得這樣的一個證照這是現役的部分所以一年多一萬三對這個是我們替代役的部分好那其他的方法請你來整個部裡面我們部長在積極的推動我們希望能夠達到十萬來我請部長關於備役的部分\n\n6\n00:02:15,098 --> 00:02:29,453\n我请部长部长刚刚有其他委员也讲到是要战争论吗我觉得不是因为以保二我们去年度在审议预算的时候保二总队警政署保二总队就被讲成说你们买这些反恐器材你们是在\n\n7\n00:02:30,730 --> 00:02:57,499\n准备要备战吗我想对于目前战争的形态那针对国家重点设施的这些部分包含水库电厂等等的这些的驻卫的警力必须有相关的这些第一时间的这些防备的这些能力这是加强一些训练而不是要准备战争这不要再这样误导所以我们内政部目前做的这一个事情就是\n\n8\n00:02:58,021 --> 00:03:04,910\n召集替代役來是增加台灣防災任何天然災害的這些任性來部長\n\n9\n00:03:05,467 --> 00:03:27,713\n是謝謝剛剛委員有提到所謂的重要關鍵基礎設施現在當然是以寶二為主但是隨著重要的關鍵基礎設施越來越專業化我們除了寶二以外可能地方政府的警察人員也要投入所以這個部分應該跟所謂的什麼要準備戰爭是完全相反就好像說我們國防部有軍人有軍人就是準備要戰爭嗎不是我們要防衛\n\n10\n00:03:30,294 --> 00:03:51,009\n對我們自己國家主權的正常防衛應該有的那不能把所有的工作都放在國軍所以這樣子的一個防衛機制裡面我們對於所謂的後備或是對於所謂的替代役也要做一下防災的訓練那這個防災訓練裡面除了現在面對天然災害之外還有一個重要的功能就是萬一有像譬如說像花蓮縣這樣的大規模\n\n11\n00:03:52,870 --> 00:04:16,919\n大規模的天災產生的時候我們要想辦法維持它的正常運作的功能不是大家都跑去救災然後縣政府或是鄉鎮公所就沒有人上班那這個誰來幫忙當然替代役的訓練可以補充一部分的部分所以這個部分恐怕很多人的會產生誤解然後也有人提到說你的替代役在成功你受訓的時候也要做打靶\n\n12\n00:04:17,759 --> 00:04:24,628\n但是大家都知道連我們在高中的時候女生也都是要做打靶的訓練不是為了因為打靶訓練就表示準備要上戰場我想這個是太廉價對於這個替代役所以現在有很多看到我們任何部會提出來任性兩個字就是說要戰爭的我覺得這件事情我們必須要\n\n13\n00:04:37,062 --> 00:04:52,377\n很清楚的说明清楚包含我从刚刚我举的这个宝二对于国家重要设施的例子那对于我们这次替代役的召集这些例子来讲我觉得我们可以透过这些实例让社会更清楚知道目前台湾需要什么\n\n14\n00:04:52,897 --> 00:05:02,407\n對報告委員就是我們的預算也是因為有陳議政看到任性兩個字從警政消防每次看到任性就起跳就全部被刪掉或凍結那現在是慢慢恢復所以我們議政是很辛苦啊趕快把這時間裏面補足的訓練量盡量把它補足回來\n\n15\n00:05:10,735 --> 00:05:38,423\n那也跟委員補充報告一下除了我們現在在成功領受訓的這些現役替代役的防災室訓練高達接近一萬五千以外我們其他的民力機構包括像NGO到目前為止的已經登記而且拿到證照的是有超過七萬多人其實我在這邊也提醒部長還有司長其實當然這不是司長這邊的業務啦那我提醒部長其實我們出生地方有非常多地方的民力可以使用\n\n16\n00:05:39,023 --> 00:05:58,051\n那透過這些名利包含這些不管是疫警疫消或者是民防等等這一些來推動相關的這些防災式的這些訓練那我覺得都是一個可行的方向報告委員我想委員非常清楚了我們民政司已經要補充給所有的村里長\n\n17\n00:05:59,551 --> 00:06:21,261\n訓練費用那現在全台灣有四分之一的村里長已經拿到防災式的資格對除了村里長之外很多這些疫警疫消我也推我也建議內政部可以研議那個沒有問題只要他們願意把時間衝出來可能他們現在已經都有防災式的資格可能要再做一下那還是一樣就是我們還有防災協作中心未來的區公所會\n\n18\n00:06:22,501 --> 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