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00:02:29,257\n我们会比美国多得非常多是所以部长台湾在半导体领域里面是我们这地位是在国际上占有一席之地尤其是二奈米的先进制程我们将近有九成对不对是九成在国际的市占率所以这也就是我们台湾要建构成这个细钝最重要的一环所以要请\n\n7\n00:02:30,037 --> 00:02:40,245\n部長在這邊一定要堅守著我們的核心產業的技術絕對不能妥協這個五五分晶片的問題接下來的話就是美國目前它對中國大陸課徵了55%的對等關稅\n\n8\n00:02:48,611 --> 00:02:55,794\n是算是全球最高它是為了要報復美國的這關稅的壓力大陸最近也提出來了在12月要擴大稀土礦物的這個出口的管制那連續在這個這4月以來大概有兩波了\n\n9\n00:03:05,618 --> 00:03:27,250\n那我們看到在我們的晶片方面在稀土方面你們說這個應該是不會在這個項目裡面是不同項目啦對不對但是我們擔心的就是無人機的部分無人機他們所需要的這個成分的話剛好就是大陸正在限制這個項目是混合的對不對\n\n10\n00:03:28,471 --> 00:03:54,642\n是不過這一個部分因為全世界都已經開始提它的替代方案所以我們有提出替代方案嗎因為我們是間接需求所以我們要跟國際的供應鏈間接需求還是有需求如果沒有這個材料我們還是有困難所以我們要跟國際供應鏈他們的步調一致所以在這方面的話我們有沒有做重新的調整有就是說怎麼樣配合國際供應鏈的調整\n\n11\n00:03:57,404 --> 00:04:05,391\n他們因應做法我們會來配合那第二個就是說我們自己我們自己可能要保有我們自己需求一部分我們國內的\n\n12\n00:04:07,578 --> 00:04:19,492\n這個自己自足量我們自己開始有這樣利用回收的部分利用回收所以是工研院還有針對這個廢棄的那個電器的話做精煉的提煉來供應我們的產業的需求這個技術已經成熟了啦這樣子的提煉產量就夠嗎\n\n13\n00:04:27,902 --> 00:04:55,245\n它现在是公斤级现在要转给这个企业界企业界他们量可以做得比较大做更大所以在这方面我们要请这部长一定要重视这个无人机的这个问题该做适当的调整我们还是要做适当的调整才不会影响这个产业的发展好不好无人机整个产业链的发展那接下来跟部长所提的就是汽车是美国最有非常重要的工业品项他特别也提到我们的\n\n14\n00:04:56,366 --> 00:05:16,805\n進口關稅我們雙方在交涉當中希望能夠調降目前的進口關稅是大概在17.5%那有沒有可能會在美國進口關稅上調整為零關稅個別項目這個我就不是那麼清楚了已經有在談了\n\n15\n00:05:18,568 --> 00:05:47,233\n經濟部長不清楚對它是一個談判的項目沒有錯但是個別項目的部分這個就比較不為什麼會這樣講呢因為中華賓士他們特別有在提到如果說零關稅的話對他們一些其他進口車包括歐系的中華賓士就是歐系的還有日系還有韓系的車子他們都影響非常非常的大那如果說有這種情形發生的話那其他各國可能會\n\n16\n00:05:47,853 --> 00:06:04,836\n像我們世界貿易組織這個WTO來控告我們違反了貿易自由的所以會這樣發生那部長你對這個看法怎麼說因為美國的關稅跟各國都在談判然後有個別有個別的不一樣那如果說\n\n17\n00:06:06,178 --> 00:06:30,783\n台灣如果這樣要因此而被告的話那所有的國家都會被告會這樣子提部長你沒有發現最重要問題如果美國的進口車是零關稅大家就經過美國然後再進來台灣要洗產地的方式進來就會影響整個不行就是說你如果要算是美國製的話他有一定的比例他的附加價值至少要35%以上他在美國社廠從美國那邊進來啊\n\n18\n00:06:33,163 --> 00:06:49,100\n它要在美国制造啊是啊在美国制造就算是美国车没有错在台湾制造就是台湾车部长还有最重要的你知道说我们台湾的车子在我们台湾组装的进口车在台湾组装的产业大不大\n\n19\n00:06:49,801 --> 00:07:03,524\n你知道嗎不曉得所以關於這個部分將近有30萬的汽車跟我們的零件組織的供應鏈從業人員我們將近30萬就是包括零組件對零組件所以都在我們這邊如果你從不從美國設廠從美國進來西產地進來那我們30萬的從業人員\n\n20\n00:07:10,046 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