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00:02:21,349\n有您在那個交通部長的任內交通部台灣這個新彥行國際聯合艦隊就是現在在推動的我們的經濟外交的來源嘛那我知道啦這個像交通部的時候您也有一本這樣子的這個冊子嘛那我覺得都沒有關係因為呢有政策讓更多人知道是好事我只是想要好奇問一下說那你看\n\n8\n00:02:21,929 --> 00:02:34,936\n之前在交通部的時候您的這個我們就講好政策書好了叫做交通彩繪家林佳龍與人本交通的創新治理那呢我想要問一下現在我們在規劃的這個手冊那標題叫什麼\n\n9\n00:02:39,478 --> 00:02:56,824\n這是不一樣的不過這個我跟委員講你講的這個是我自己我都自己出錢在就是說形成我自己的一些政策論述因為要跟社會溝通這是民主的當然我沒有反對我在當交通部長你也知道包括Uber問題的解決包括現在的T-pass\n\n10\n00:02:57,924 --> 00:03:05,686\n我知道了包括無人機智慧電動車還有這些所有的很多是來自於我們帶一個政策我沒有反對我只是問一下你們想好這個名稱了沒有啊就標題我想問一下這個冊子的標題是什麼問題很簡單還沒有還沒想好而且這個跟委員講的這並不是說去出版一本書那你要什麼時候出版也不是用外交部的預算\n\n11\n00:03:18,989 --> 00:03:29,791\n所以這個兄弟我讀我自己長年來推動總和外交的一些施政理念跟同仁來共同形成一個配套的政策這個施政理念的這個手冊好了我這樣講手冊是由您自己個人出資啊一向如此我從來我都不用公家的預算那那撰寫這個書籍的話有請外交部的同仁協助嗎沒有就是\n\n12\n00:03:46,426 --> 00:04:14,976\n資料的根據我要的資料的整理他們必須把在做的去做配套比如說我們的歐洲政策我跟委員報告像我們最近有沒有我們有一個從科技到文化嘛我們最近在推動歐洲為什麼會有突破那以前就是我們30個外館但是就各自為政你不要跟我說這麼多到時候您出版了我會我會這個閱讀這個大作我就知道了好不好因為我們大家在期待我會跟您分享如果有這個東西期待這個冊子對啊期待這個冊子出現要不然我先送幾本我以前出版的給\n\n13\n00:04:15,556 --> 00:04:29,194\n我看過我看過我一向是您的書籍的粉絲我都看過所以我才好奇說這個標題標題還沒有定那內容大概有那預計什麼時候要出版呢\n\n14\n00:04:30,584 --> 00:04:51,020\n有預計的時辰嗎我們就是一個要形成政策的一個共識跟論述的一個工作啦其實大家都要一起做這個工作才有共同的我們講的戰略風向跟路徑谷你預計有什麼時候要把這個東西做出來我這樣講你可不可以不要能夠接受隨時都可以做出來因為都在我的我們在進行中的政策啊\n\n15\n00:04:51,360 --> 00:05:11,513\nOK好可是你總會有個時程吧那我如果問說那你明天就要做出來那你今天都還沒有想好標題怎麼可能呢那比較隨時啊我再跟委員請教一下如果應該用什麼方式會比較適合我都是開放式的那太好了知道委員的支持啊更有這個動力對對我好奇名稱而已好那我們請這個我們經貿談判辦公室上來好不好好\n\n16\n00:05:21,764 --> 00:05:45,843\n部長您也留步我不確定會不會有您的這個沒關係您留步好這個我今天要問的是關於我們副總統蕭美琴日前接受加拿大的廣播公司專訪的時候提到川普政府在美國的投資不只有台積電還包含整個台積電的生態系請問這個部分我們在行政院的談判辦公室清不清楚\n\n17\n00:05:47,612 --> 00:06:02,723\n我們都有看到相關的報導都有都有follow我不要問的是報導我是在說過程當中你們清不清楚就是我們在談判的時候呢有談到包含是台積電的生態系都納入在台美的這個關稅談判當中\n\n18\n00:06:05,771 --> 00:06:24,406\n是知道清楚你的事是什麼意思是向委員報告就是說有關於這件事情的說明就是說這個是因為台灣的科學園區的模式在全球獨有加上產業園區工業區等所以其他國家難以複製這樣的園區規劃所以我國是願意與美國透過政府與政府的合作來創造有利產業聚落形成的環境這樣可以降低我國企業單打獨鬥的高成本跟風險\n\n19\n00:06:35,214 --> 00:06:38,536\n因此我們提議導入過去產業記錄以及科學園區的經驗那我們會以國家跟產業利益來跟美國談判所以這個具體的做法是什麼因為你講到園區嘛具體的做法是什麼是說呢在台灣的這些園區呢由美國這裡來投資還是說呢我們要去美國投資園區\n\n20\n00:06:57,408 --> 00:07:19,905\n跟委員報告這個所謂的台灣模式是在跟由台灣佈局全球總體策略下它包括幾個重點第一個就是它是由企業來自主規劃到美國來進行產業投資第二個是政府來整合所以是台灣到美國去投資但是由政府來整合政府來整合然後並且增加對業者的金融支持那第三點是要透過台美政府\n\n21\n00:07:20,525 --> 00:07:25,509\n與政府就是居途居的合作來為我國企業打造有利的產業環境來協助相關產業在美國進行有利的國際布局那請問一下部長在這個部分外交部有沒有角色呢有啊因為我們很多外管什麼樣具體的其實我們在推動所謂的龍幫計畫就有一個智慧科技園區海外示範計畫\n\n22\n00:07:42,022 --> 00:07:54,371\n那所以我們榮邦計畫這一次我也知道說我們在這個預算編列的部分增加了68億嘛對不對那在這68億的預算當中是不是您剛講的協助剛才我們經貿辦講的這個所謂的園區計畫那也是在這個68億其中呢相關的資源\n\n23\n00:08:07,341 --> 00:08:29,033\n比如說我們這個台灣Tower就是中油的地那被收回也可惜我們把它變成一個其實就是一個單一服務窗口跨這個就是台美之間的這個服務可以整合在這裡那我們譬如說巴拉圭我們以前我們就是把一個廢棄的工業區開發成台巴智慧科學園區\n\n24\n00:08:30,033 --> 00:08:57,678\n對我問的是台美的部分啦不是說我們今天的主題是台美啦我本來是針對邦交國可是現在也推動譬如說台美以外像菲律賓啊像中東歐的這個國家我想要問的是我們這個榮邦計畫裡面的68億當中有哪一些部分有多少的經費是在剛才經貿辦講到的跟外交部所共同合作的有關台美談判這些科學園區相關的協助金\n\n25\n00:08:57,878 --> 00:09:09,484\n目前並沒有特別分對美國因為我們在啟動這個榮邦計畫是針對我們邦交國還有理念相近國家但是因為現在台美的經貿的談判有出現科學園區我跟委員報告比如說像最近電電工會有公布有沒有要在墨西哥設這個TIMA科技園區就是我們跟他們討論因為我們要公私協力有些國家是由企業來主導\n\n26\n00:09:25,973 --> 00:09:48,942\n然後他們本來就要投資我們之後審查預算的時候會一個一個問您喔因為我要問今天就是在談台美關稅的議題嘛那您剛上來的時候我第一個問題問您的就是說呢那在這個我剛講的這個半導體的部分呢這個我們外交部有沒有角色您告訴我說有然後呢我就問說那有沒有一些具體的這個預算等等的就是具體的協助方向嘛\n\n27\n00:09:49,542 --> 00:10:13,964\n那你具體有協助方向的話他當然也會有預算所以我才問說我們具體對於剛才所說的這個所謂的半導體投資的部分外交部具體的協助方向跟方式是什麼那運用到哪一些資源是我剛講榮邦計畫我們要設定對象邦交國跟理念相近國家兩大類理念相近國家本來是針對中東歐跟菲律賓等\n\n28\n00:10:14,364 --> 00:10:29,010\n但現在包括美日歐其實很多的國家都適合我們去跟他一起合作這裡面涉及到就是科技資金跟人才三大塊那這個政策對美方面我們並沒有外交部另外特別編列預算因為當時在形成榮邦計畫的時候你說放在裡面了嘛\n\n29\n00:10:32,611 --> 00:10:54,248\n但是因為政策的主張的內容是相近就是有關於智慧科技園區海外示範計畫那這裡面會有一個交集所以我想要請問一下剛才你講的這個美國的部分因為你講說嘛榮邦計畫除了這些原本我們一些邦交國理念相近的之外美日的部分也會把它納進來嘛因為也跟我們理念每日歐都有嘛那我特別詢問\n\n30\n00:10:55,389 --> 00:11:18,040\n我特別詢問的就是說在這個榮邦計畫的這個整體的預算規劃當中對於美國談判就是對於美國投資或是美國相關協助的部分包含是園區的部分它佔了多少的比例呢這是分開的但是因為現在因為台美的談判裡面有出現了所謂的台灣模式會有科學園區所以我們的榮邦計畫\n\n31\n00:11:19,181 --> 00:11:31,145\n同樣這個模式也可以蓋美國啊來這個怎麼樣去結合成一個台灣模式所以並不是說我們一開始針對美國的我知道我知道這是分開的我知道但我要問說因為它包含在裡面嘛所以它包含在裡面的它可以包含它\n\n32\n00:11:38,087 --> 00:11:47,531\n因為不是說它可以包含你預算都編了那你一定已經有一個想法跟規劃了那我問的是說對於美國的對於你剛剛講的園區的這一部分來說的話是佔這個榮邦計畫裡面的多少經費嗎\n\n33\n00:11:54,674 --> 00:12:07,925\n這麼簡單的問題沒有在這方面另外別列預算只有這個政策就是行政院核定的龍邦計畫我們的對象國家那不是有包含美國嗎那因為我們本身也在推動智慧科技園區海外示範計畫同樣的不限對象的話你念相近國家裡面也可以適用不是也可以你一定是那也可以的意思是也可能沒有行政院包括經貿談判辦公室\n\n34\n00:12:21,096 --> 00:12:26,240\n這個我們外交部會是參與但是對美的這個關稅啦或者是232條款或是投資或供應鏈的合作這個還是整個行政院跨部會的事情但是如果他們需要動用資金的話在外交部來講應該不會來自於我們這邊的資金啦那你剛不講說科學園區等等的投資的部分我跟委員再講一點時間也就是說我們要推動\n\n35\n00:12:45,794 --> 00:12:57,686\n智慧科技研究院海外計畫我們已經跟以大帶小公司協力軟硬兼施內外循環有四個政策設計硬的部分是誰要硬我再跟委員詳細報告我們最近怎麼樣在一些友邦推動軟硬兼施硬的部分軟體跟硬體啦\n\n36\n00:13:04,292 --> 00:13:09,234\n我們不要只是賣硬體的製造我們要軟體的服務系統整合老半天告訴我說是軟體跟硬體我實在是覺得因為這樣子口訣我多問了兩句之後就變成就從那個軟硬間是突然變軟體跟硬體那不講這麼多總之我想是這樣子的因為先前剛剛講的這個生態系赴美的事情那國發會說事前都不知情我最後詢問一下外交部事前是知情的嗎\n\n37\n00:13:33,683 --> 00:14:00,624\n我是想說應該是我們供應鏈的擴展沒有啦我就很我問的就是蕭美琴說的可以有台美聯合艦隊台日聯合艦隊台歐聯合艦隊的這件事情而已你不要跟我講別的我就是專門問你這個部分就是蕭美琴副總統說台灣投資美國包含整個晶片生態系因為我要告訴你喔國發會他們說事前不知道喔那您事前是知道的嗎\n\n38\n00:14:01,670 --> 00:14:21,799\n用什麼名詞形容是另外一回事就是生態系啊整個台美關係我是很清楚的生態系赴美台積電生態系赴美這件事情嗎我的理解是半導體供應鏈的拓展這不是移植這個是我們成功的模式因為我時間不夠了還有其他人要質詢\n\n39\n00:14:22,679 --> 00:14:44,872\n所以我簡單講我覺得你們就是事前不知情啊因為你這個供應鏈整體的這個說法那大家都知道啊那如果說大家都知道的東西蕭美琴副總統要提出來那又怎麼會變成是一個新聞國發會會怎麼說事前不知情呢所以不知情以後就告訴我說不知情就好了就不用另外再講說哎呀還有什麼其他的東西我的概念跟理解那時間有限謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n892\t2238\t謝謝主席 我們先請林佳龍部長請部長\n9702\t30894\t部長好 我想我們先從輕鬆一點的內容開始討論那就是有媒體報導您就是要寫新書了嘛也先恭喜外交部要寫新書啊 不是嗎但是就有人在講說這個外交部有些人說要寫書啊然後內部公務員有一些意見啊等等的\n31394\t47284\t那呢你們也已經回應了非常的快速就講說呢是要做一些政策討論包含是總和外交等等的一些這個議題要做的這個書籍嘛可不可以那個部長先幫我們介紹一下這個書的這個我想先問一下書名叫什麼\n49214\t74825\t是這樣就像我跟委員提到的業務報告這是我針對總和外交怎麼去推動嘛我先好奇就是說它書名叫做什麼因為它不是什麼一本書啦它就是我們對政策的方向然後大家凝聚共識那也有個名字吧就是會是有一個報告一個報告那它不是會做成一個而且我跟委員報告\n77677\t83582\t我的想法啦那個沒有什麼去動用什麼這個本來就是我們業務單位根據我的施政理念尤其是業務報告要落實到各單位去推動要配套嘛如果這個這個方面我想對於我們有共同的\n96351\t116623\t這個外交的目標跟我們的路徑圖我知道 我覺得很好啦 我沒有要批評你的意思我只是很好奇說這個書的這個好 你叫政策白皮書也好 就是怎麼樣也好他的這個名稱叫什麼我跟委員報告 比如我之前啦 我自己啦這是跟這個沒有關係像我有這個出版一本叫經濟日不落國對就是這個\n119545\t141349\t有您在那個交通部長的任內交通部台灣這個新彥行國際聯合艦隊就是現在在推動的我們的經濟外交的來源嘛那我知道啦這個像交通部的時候您也有一本這樣子的這個冊子嘛那我覺得都沒有關係因為呢有政策讓更多人知道是好事我只是想要好奇問一下說那你看\n141929\t154936\t之前在交通部的時候您的這個我們就講好政策書好了叫做交通彩繪家林佳龍與人本交通的創新治理那呢我想要問一下現在我們在規劃的這個手冊那標題叫什麼\n159478\t176824\t這是不一樣的不過這個我跟委員講你講的這個是我自己我都自己出錢在就是說形成我自己的一些政策論述因為要跟社會溝通這是民主的當然我沒有反對我在當交通部長你也知道包括Uber問題的解決包括現在的T-pass\n177924\t185686\t我知道了 包括無人機智慧電動車還有這些所有的很多是來自於我們帶一個政策我沒有反對我只是問一下你們想好這個名稱了沒有啊就標題我想問一下這個冊子的標題是什麼問題很簡單還沒有還沒想好而且這個跟委員講的這並不是說去出版一本書那你要什麼時候出版也不是用外交部的預算\n198989\t209791\t所以這個兄弟我讀我自己長年來推動總和外交的一些施政理念跟同仁來共同形成一個配套的政策這個施政理念的這個手冊好了我這樣講手冊是由您自己個人出資啊一向如此我從來我都不用公家的預算那那撰寫這個書籍的話有請外交部的同仁協助嗎沒有就是\n226426\t254976\t資料的 根據我要的資料的整理他們必須把在做的去做配套比如說我們的歐洲政策我跟委員報告像我們最近有沒有我們有一個從科技到文化嘛我們最近在推動歐洲為什麼會有突破那以前就是我們30個外館但是就各自為政你不要跟我說這麼多到時候您出版了我會我會這個閱讀這個大作我就知道了好不好因為我們大家在期待我會跟您分享如果有這個東西期待這個冊子對啊期待這個冊子出現要不然我先送幾本我以前出版的給\n255556\t269194\t我看過我看過我一向是您的書籍的粉絲我都看過所以我才好奇說這個標題標題還沒有定那內容大概有那預計什麼時候要出版呢\n270584\t291020\t有預計的時辰嗎我們就是一個要形成政策的一個共識跟論述的一個工作啦其實大家都要一起做這個工作才有共同的我們講的戰略風向跟路徑谷你預計有什麼時候要把這個東西做出來我這樣講你可不可以不要能夠接受隨時都可以做出來因為都在我的我們在進行中的政策啊\n291360\t311513\tOK好可是你總會有個時程吧那我如果問說那你明天就要做出來那你今天都還沒有想好標題怎麼可能呢那比較隨時啊我再跟委員請教一下如果應該用什麼方式會比較適合我都是開放式的那太好了知道委員的支持啊更有這個動力對對我好奇名稱而已好那我們請這個我們經貿談判辦公室上來好不好好\n321764\t345843\t部長您也留步我不確定會不會有您的這個沒關係您留步好這個我今天要問的是關於我們副總統蕭美琴日前接受加拿大的廣播公司專訪的時候提到川普政府在美國的投資不只有台積電還包含整個台積電的生態系請問這個部分我們在行政院的談判辦公室清不清楚\n347612\t362723\t我們都有看到相關的報導都有都有follow我不要問的是報導我是在說過程當中你們清不清楚就是我們在談判的時候呢有談到包含是台積電的生態系都納入在台美的這個關稅談判當中\n365771\t384406\t是知道清楚你的事是什麼意思是向委員報告就是說有關於這件事情的說明就是說這個是因為台灣的科學園區的模式在全球獨有加上產業園區工業區等所以其他國家難以複製這樣的園區規劃所以我國是願意與美國透過政府與政府的合作來創造有利產業聚落形成的環境這樣可以降低我國企業單打獨鬥的高成本跟風險\n395214\t398536\t因此我們提議導入過去產業記錄以及科學園區的經驗那我們會以國家跟產業利益來跟美國談判所以這個具體的做法是什麼因為你講到園區嘛具體的做法是什麼是說呢在台灣的這些園區呢由美國這裡來投資還是說呢我們要去美國投資園區\n417408\t439905\t跟委員報告這個所謂的台灣模式是在跟由台灣佈局全球總體策略下它包括幾個重點第一個就是它是由企業來自主規劃到美國來進行產業投資第二個是政府來整合所以是台灣到美國去投資但是由政府來整合政府來整合然後並且增加對業者的金融支持那第三點是要透過台美政府\n440525\t445509\t與政府就是居途居的合作來為我國企業打造有利的產業環境來協助相關產業在美國進行有利的國際布局那請問一下部長在這個部分外交部有沒有角色呢有啊因為我們很多外管什麼樣具體的其實我們在推動所謂的龍幫計畫就有一個智慧科技園區海外示範計畫\n462022\t474371\t那所以我們榮邦計畫這一次我也知道說我們在這個預算編列的部分增加了68億嘛對不對那在這68億的預算當中是不是您剛講的協助剛才我們經貿辦講的這個所謂的園區計畫那也是在這個68億其中呢相關的資源\n487341\t509033\t比如說我們這個台灣Tower就是中油的地那被收回也可惜我們把它變成一個其實就是一個單一服務窗口跨這個就是台美之間的這個服務可以整合在這裡那我們譬如說巴拉圭我們以前我們就是把一個廢棄的工業區開發成台巴智慧科學園區\n510033\t537678\t對 我問的是台美的部分啦不是說我們今天的主題是台美啦我本來是針對邦交國可是現在也推動譬如說台美以外像菲律賓啊像中東歐的這個國家我想要問的是我們這個榮邦計畫裡面的68億當中有哪一些部分有多少的經費是在剛才經貿辦講到的跟外交部所共同合作的有關台美談判這些科學園區相關的協助金\n537878\t549484\t目前並沒有特別分對美國因為我們在啟動這個榮邦計畫是針對我們邦交國還有理念相近國家但是因為現在台美的經貿的談判有出現科學園區我跟委員報告比如說像最近電電工會有公布有沒有要在墨西哥設這個TIMA科技園區就是我們跟他們討論因為我們要公私協力有些國家是由企業來主導\n565973\t588942\t然後他們本來就要投資我們之後審查預算的時候會一個一個問您喔因為我要問今天就是在談台美關稅的議題嘛那您剛上來的時候我第一個問題問您的就是說呢那在這個我剛講的這個半導體的部分呢這個我們外交部有沒有角色您告訴我說有然後呢我就問說那有沒有一些具體的這個預算等等的就是具體的協助方向嘛\n589542\t613964\t那你具體有協助方向的話他當然也會有預算所以我才問說我們具體對於剛才所說的這個所謂的半導體投資的部分外交部具體的協助方向跟方式是什麼那運用到哪一些資源是我剛講榮邦計畫我們要設定對象邦交國跟理念相近國家兩大類理念相近國家本來是針對中東歐跟菲律賓等\n614364\t629010\t但現在包括美日歐其實很多的國家都適合我們去跟他一起合作這裡面涉及到就是科技資金跟人才三大塊那這個政策對美方面我們並沒有外交部另外特別編列預算因為當時在形成榮邦計畫的時候你說放在裡面了嘛\n632611\t654248\t但是因為政策的主張的內容是相近就是有關於智慧科技園區海外示範計畫那這裡面會有一個交集所以我想要請問一下剛才你講的這個美國的部分因為你講說嘛榮邦計畫除了這些原本我們一些邦交國理念相近的之外美日的部分也會把它納進來嘛因為也跟我們理念每日歐都有嘛那我特別詢問\n655389\t678040\t我特別詢問的就是說在這個榮邦計畫的這個整體的預算規劃當中對於美國談判就是對於美國投資或是美國相關協助的部分包含是園區的部分它佔了多少的比例呢這是分開的但是因為現在因為台美的談判裡面有出現了所謂的台灣模式會有科學園區所以我們的榮邦計畫\n679181\t691145\t同樣這個模式也可以蓋美國啊來這個怎麼樣去結合成一個台灣模式所以並不是說我們一開始針對美國的我知道我知道這是分開的我知道但我要問說因為它包含在裡面嘛所以它包含在裡面的它可以包含它\n698087\t707531\t因為不是說它可以包含你預算都編了那你一定已經有一個想法跟規劃了那我問的是說對於美國的對於你剛剛講的園區的這一部分來說的話是佔這個榮邦計畫裡面的多少經費嗎\n714674\t727925\t這麼簡單的問題沒有在這方面另外別列預算只有這個政策就是行政院核定的龍邦計畫我們的對象國家那不是有包含美國嗎那因為我們本身也在推動智慧科技園區海外示範計畫同樣的不限對象的話你念相近國家裡面也可以適用不是也可以你一定是那也可以的意思是也可能沒有行政院包括經貿談判辦公室\n741096\t746240\t這個我們外交部會是參與但是對美的這個關稅啦或者是232條款或是投資或供應鏈的合作這個還是整個行政院跨部會的事情但是如果他們需要動用資金的話在外交部來講應該不會來自於我們這邊的資金啦那你剛不講說科學園區等等的投資的部分我跟委員再講一點時間也就是說我們要推動\n765794\t777686\t智慧科技研究院海外計畫我們已經跟以大帶小公司協力軟硬兼施內外循環有四個政策設計硬的部分是誰要硬我再跟委員詳細報告我們最近怎麼樣在一些友邦推動軟硬兼施硬的部分軟體跟硬體啦\n784292\t789234\t我們不要只是賣硬體的製造我們要軟體的服務 系統整合老半天告訴我說是軟體跟硬體我實在是覺得因為這樣子口訣我多問了兩句之後就變成就從那個軟硬間是突然變軟體跟硬體那不講這麼多總之我想是這樣子的因為先前剛剛講的這個生態系赴美的事情那國發會說事前都不知情我最後詢問一下外交部事前是知情的嗎\n813683\t840624\t我是想說應該是我們供應鏈的擴展沒有啦 我就很我問的就是蕭美琴說的可以有台美聯合艦隊台日聯合艦隊 台歐聯合艦隊的這件事情而已你不要跟我講別的我就是專門問你這個部分就是蕭美琴副總統說台灣投資美國包含整個晶片生態系因為我要告訴你喔國發會他們說事前不知道喔那您事前是知道的嗎\n841670\t861799\t用什麼名詞形容是另外一回事就是生態系啊整個台美關係我是很清楚的生態系赴美台積電生態系赴美這件事情嗎我的理解是半導體供應鏈的拓展這不是移植這個是我們成功的模式因為我時間不夠了還有其他人要質詢\n862679\t884872\t所以我簡單講我覺得你們就是事前不知情啊因為你這個供應鏈整體的這個說法那大家都知道啊那如果說大家都知道的東西蕭美琴副總統要提出來那又怎麼會變成是一個新聞國發會會怎麼說事前不知情呢所以不知情以後就告訴我說不知情就好了就不用另外再講說哎呀還有什麼其他的東西我的概念跟理解那時間有限謝謝\n","txt":"謝謝主席 我們先請林佳龍部長請部長\n部長好 我想我們先從輕鬆一點的內容開始討論那就是有媒體報導您就是要寫新書了嘛也先恭喜外交部要寫新書啊 不是嗎但是就有人在講說這個外交部有些人說要寫書啊然後內部公務員有一些意見啊等等的\n那呢你們也已經回應了非常的快速就講說呢是要做一些政策討論包含是總和外交等等的一些這個議題要做的這個書籍嘛可不可以那個部長先幫我們介紹一下這個書的這個我想先問一下書名叫什麼\n是這樣就像我跟委員提到的業務報告這是我針對總和外交怎麼去推動嘛我先好奇就是說它書名叫做什麼因為它不是什麼一本書啦它就是我們對政策的方向然後大家凝聚共識那也有個名字吧就是會是有一個報告一個報告那它不是會做成一個而且我跟委員報告\n我的想法啦那個沒有什麼去動用什麼這個本來就是我們業務單位根據我的施政理念尤其是業務報告要落實到各單位去推動要配套嘛如果這個這個方面我想對於我們有共同的\n這個外交的目標跟我們的路徑圖我知道 我覺得很好啦 我沒有要批評你的意思我只是很好奇說這個書的這個好 你叫政策白皮書也好 就是怎麼樣也好他的這個名稱叫什麼我跟委員報告 比如我之前啦 我自己啦這是跟這個沒有關係像我有這個出版一本叫經濟日不落國對就是這個\n有您在那個交通部長的任內交通部台灣這個新彥行國際聯合艦隊就是現在在推動的我們的經濟外交的來源嘛那我知道啦這個像交通部的時候您也有一本這樣子的這個冊子嘛那我覺得都沒有關係因為呢有政策讓更多人知道是好事我只是想要好奇問一下說那你看\n之前在交通部的時候您的這個我們就講好政策書好了叫做交通彩繪家林佳龍與人本交通的創新治理那呢我想要問一下現在我們在規劃的這個手冊那標題叫什麼\n這是不一樣的不過這個我跟委員講你講的這個是我自己我都自己出錢在就是說形成我自己的一些政策論述因為要跟社會溝通這是民主的當然我沒有反對我在當交通部長你也知道包括Uber問題的解決包括現在的T-pass\n我知道了 包括無人機智慧電動車還有這些所有的很多是來自於我們帶一個政策我沒有反對我只是問一下你們想好這個名稱了沒有啊就標題我想問一下這個冊子的標題是什麼問題很簡單還沒有還沒想好而且這個跟委員講的這並不是說去出版一本書那你要什麼時候出版也不是用外交部的預算\n所以這個兄弟我讀我自己長年來推動總和外交的一些施政理念跟同仁來共同形成一個配套的政策這個施政理念的這個手冊好了我這樣講手冊是由您自己個人出資啊一向如此我從來我都不用公家的預算那那撰寫這個書籍的話有請外交部的同仁協助嗎沒有就是\n資料的 根據我要的資料的整理他們必須把在做的去做配套比如說我們的歐洲政策我跟委員報告像我們最近有沒有我們有一個從科技到文化嘛我們最近在推動歐洲為什麼會有突破那以前就是我們30個外館但是就各自為政你不要跟我說這麼多到時候您出版了我會我會這個閱讀這個大作我就知道了好不好因為我們大家在期待我會跟您分享如果有這個東西期待這個冊子對啊期待這個冊子出現要不然我先送幾本我以前出版的給\n我看過我看過我一向是您的書籍的粉絲我都看過所以我才好奇說這個標題標題還沒有定那內容大概有那預計什麼時候要出版呢\n有預計的時辰嗎我們就是一個要形成政策的一個共識跟論述的一個工作啦其實大家都要一起做這個工作才有共同的我們講的戰略風向跟路徑谷你預計有什麼時候要把這個東西做出來我這樣講你可不可以不要能夠接受隨時都可以做出來因為都在我的我們在進行中的政策啊\nOK好可是你總會有個時程吧那我如果問說那你明天就要做出來那你今天都還沒有想好標題怎麼可能呢那比較隨時啊我再跟委員請教一下如果應該用什麼方式會比較適合我都是開放式的那太好了知道委員的支持啊更有這個動力對對我好奇名稱而已好那我們請這個我們經貿談判辦公室上來好不好好\n部長您也留步我不確定會不會有您的這個沒關係您留步好這個我今天要問的是關於我們副總統蕭美琴日前接受加拿大的廣播公司專訪的時候提到川普政府在美國的投資不只有台積電還包含整個台積電的生態系請問這個部分我們在行政院的談判辦公室清不清楚\n我們都有看到相關的報導都有都有follow我不要問的是報導我是在說過程當中你們清不清楚就是我們在談判的時候呢有談到包含是台積電的生態系都納入在台美的這個關稅談判當中\n是知道清楚你的事是什麼意思是向委員報告就是說有關於這件事情的說明就是說這個是因為台灣的科學園區的模式在全球獨有加上產業園區工業區等所以其他國家難以複製這樣的園區規劃所以我國是願意與美國透過政府與政府的合作來創造有利產業聚落形成的環境這樣可以降低我國企業單打獨鬥的高成本跟風險\n因此我們提議導入過去產業記錄以及科學園區的經驗那我們會以國家跟產業利益來跟美國談判所以這個具體的做法是什麼因為你講到園區嘛具體的做法是什麼是說呢在台灣的這些園區呢由美國這裡來投資還是說呢我們要去美國投資園區\n跟委員報告這個所謂的台灣模式是在跟由台灣佈局全球總體策略下它包括幾個重點第一個就是它是由企業來自主規劃到美國來進行產業投資第二個是政府來整合所以是台灣到美國去投資但是由政府來整合政府來整合然後並且增加對業者的金融支持那第三點是要透過台美政府\n與政府就是居途居的合作來為我國企業打造有利的產業環境來協助相關產業在美國進行有利的國際布局那請問一下部長在這個部分外交部有沒有角色呢有啊因為我們很多外管什麼樣具體的其實我們在推動所謂的龍幫計畫就有一個智慧科技園區海外示範計畫\n那所以我們榮邦計畫這一次我也知道說我們在這個預算編列的部分增加了68億嘛對不對那在這68億的預算當中是不是您剛講的協助剛才我們經貿辦講的這個所謂的園區計畫那也是在這個68億其中呢相關的資源\n比如說我們這個台灣Tower就是中油的地那被收回也可惜我們把它變成一個其實就是一個單一服務窗口跨這個就是台美之間的這個服務可以整合在這裡那我們譬如說巴拉圭我們以前我們就是把一個廢棄的工業區開發成台巴智慧科學園區\n對 我問的是台美的部分啦不是說我們今天的主題是台美啦我本來是針對邦交國可是現在也推動譬如說台美以外像菲律賓啊像中東歐的這個國家我想要問的是我們這個榮邦計畫裡面的68億當中有哪一些部分有多少的經費是在剛才經貿辦講到的跟外交部所共同合作的有關台美談判這些科學園區相關的協助金\n目前並沒有特別分對美國因為我們在啟動這個榮邦計畫是針對我們邦交國還有理念相近國家但是因為現在台美的經貿的談判有出現科學園區我跟委員報告比如說像最近電電工會有公布有沒有要在墨西哥設這個TIMA科技園區就是我們跟他們討論因為我們要公私協力有些國家是由企業來主導\n然後他們本來就要投資我們之後審查預算的時候會一個一個問您喔因為我要問今天就是在談台美關稅的議題嘛那您剛上來的時候我第一個問題問您的就是說呢那在這個我剛講的這個半導體的部分呢這個我們外交部有沒有角色您告訴我說有然後呢我就問說那有沒有一些具體的這個預算等等的就是具體的協助方向嘛\n那你具體有協助方向的話他當然也會有預算所以我才問說我們具體對於剛才所說的這個所謂的半導體投資的部分外交部具體的協助方向跟方式是什麼那運用到哪一些資源是我剛講榮邦計畫我們要設定對象邦交國跟理念相近國家兩大類理念相近國家本來是針對中東歐跟菲律賓等\n但現在包括美日歐其實很多的國家都適合我們去跟他一起合作這裡面涉及到就是科技資金跟人才三大塊那這個政策對美方面我們並沒有外交部另外特別編列預算因為當時在形成榮邦計畫的時候你說放在裡面了嘛\n但是因為政策的主張的內容是相近就是有關於智慧科技園區海外示範計畫那這裡面會有一個交集所以我想要請問一下剛才你講的這個美國的部分因為你講說嘛榮邦計畫除了這些原本我們一些邦交國理念相近的之外美日的部分也會把它納進來嘛因為也跟我們理念每日歐都有嘛那我特別詢問\n我特別詢問的就是說在這個榮邦計畫的這個整體的預算規劃當中對於美國談判就是對於美國投資或是美國相關協助的部分包含是園區的部分它佔了多少的比例呢這是分開的但是因為現在因為台美的談判裡面有出現了所謂的台灣模式會有科學園區所以我們的榮邦計畫\n同樣這個模式也可以蓋美國啊來這個怎麼樣去結合成一個台灣模式所以並不是說我們一開始針對美國的我知道我知道這是分開的我知道但我要問說因為它包含在裡面嘛所以它包含在裡面的它可以包含它\n因為不是說它可以包含你預算都編了那你一定已經有一個想法跟規劃了那我問的是說對於美國的對於你剛剛講的園區的這一部分來說的話是佔這個榮邦計畫裡面的多少經費嗎\n這麼簡單的問題沒有在這方面另外別列預算只有這個政策就是行政院核定的龍邦計畫我們的對象國家那不是有包含美國嗎那因為我們本身也在推動智慧科技園區海外示範計畫同樣的不限對象的話你念相近國家裡面也可以適用不是也可以你一定是那也可以的意思是也可能沒有行政院包括經貿談判辦公室\n這個我們外交部會是參與但是對美的這個關稅啦或者是232條款或是投資或供應鏈的合作這個還是整個行政院跨部會的事情但是如果他們需要動用資金的話在外交部來講應該不會來自於我們這邊的資金啦那你剛不講說科學園區等等的投資的部分我跟委員再講一點時間也就是說我們要推動\n智慧科技研究院海外計畫我們已經跟以大帶小公司協力軟硬兼施內外循環有四個政策設計硬的部分是誰要硬我再跟委員詳細報告我們最近怎麼樣在一些友邦推動軟硬兼施硬的部分軟體跟硬體啦\n我們不要只是賣硬體的製造我們要軟體的服務 系統整合老半天告訴我說是軟體跟硬體我實在是覺得因為這樣子口訣我多問了兩句之後就變成就從那個軟硬間是突然變軟體跟硬體那不講這麼多總之我想是這樣子的因為先前剛剛講的這個生態系赴美的事情那國發會說事前都不知情我最後詢問一下外交部事前是知情的嗎\n我是想說應該是我們供應鏈的擴展沒有啦 我就很我問的就是蕭美琴說的可以有台美聯合艦隊台日聯合艦隊 台歐聯合艦隊的這件事情而已你不要跟我講別的我就是專門問你這個部分就是蕭美琴副總統說台灣投資美國包含整個晶片生態系因為我要告訴你喔國發會他們說事前不知道喔那您事前是知道的嗎\n用什麼名詞形容是另外一回事就是生態系啊整個台美關係我是很清楚的生態系赴美台積電生態系赴美這件事情嗎我的理解是半導體供應鏈的拓展這不是移植這個是我們成功的模式因為我時間不夠了還有其他人要質詢\n所以我簡單講我覺得你們就是事前不知情啊因為你這個供應鏈整體的這個說法那大家都知道啊那如果說大家都知道的東西蕭美琴副總統要提出來那又怎麼會變成是一個新聞國發會會怎麼說事前不知情呢所以不知情以後就告訴我說不知情就好了就不用另外再講說哎呀還有什麼其他的東西我的概念跟理解那時間有限謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.892 --> 00:02.238\n謝謝主席我們先請林佳龍部長請部長\n\n00:09.702 --> 00:30.894\n部長好我想我們先從輕鬆一點的內容開始討論那就是有媒體報導您就是要寫新書了嘛也先恭喜外交部要寫新書啊不是嗎但是就有人在講說這個外交部有些人說要寫書啊然後內部公務員有一些意見啊等等的\n\n00:31.394 --> 00:47.284\n那呢你們也已經回應了非常的快速就講說呢是要做一些政策討論包含是總和外交等等的一些這個議題要做的這個書籍嘛可不可以那個部長先幫我們介紹一下這個書的這個我想先問一下書名叫什麼\n\n00:49.214 --> 01:14.825\n是這樣就像我跟委員提到的業務報告這是我針對總和外交怎麼去推動嘛我先好奇就是說它書名叫做什麼因為它不是什麼一本書啦它就是我們對政策的方向然後大家凝聚共識那也有個名字吧就是會是有一個報告一個報告那它不是會做成一個而且我跟委員報告\n\n01:17.677 --> 01:23.582\n我的想法啦那個沒有什麼去動用什麼這個本來就是我們業務單位根據我的施政理念尤其是業務報告要落實到各單位去推動要配套嘛如果這個這個方面我想對於我們有共同的\n\n01:36.351 --> 01:56.623\n這個外交的目標跟我們的路徑圖我知道我覺得很好啦我沒有要批評你的意思我只是很好奇說這個書的這個好你叫政策白皮書也好就是怎麼樣也好他的這個名稱叫什麼我跟委員報告比如我之前啦我自己啦這是跟這個沒有關係像我有這個出版一本叫經濟日不落國對就是這個\n\n01:59.545 --> 02:21.349\n有您在那個交通部長的任內交通部台灣這個新彥行國際聯合艦隊就是現在在推動的我們的經濟外交的來源嘛那我知道啦這個像交通部的時候您也有一本這樣子的這個冊子嘛那我覺得都沒有關係因為呢有政策讓更多人知道是好事我只是想要好奇問一下說那你看\n\n02:21.929 --> 02:34.936\n之前在交通部的時候您的這個我們就講好政策書好了叫做交通彩繪家林佳龍與人本交通的創新治理那呢我想要問一下現在我們在規劃的這個手冊那標題叫什麼\n\n02:39.478 --> 02:56.824\n這是不一樣的不過這個我跟委員講你講的這個是我自己我都自己出錢在就是說形成我自己的一些政策論述因為要跟社會溝通這是民主的當然我沒有反對我在當交通部長你也知道包括Uber問題的解決包括現在的T-pass\n\n02:57.924 --> 03:05.686\n我知道了包括無人機智慧電動車還有這些所有的很多是來自於我們帶一個政策我沒有反對我只是問一下你們想好這個名稱了沒有啊就標題我想問一下這個冊子的標題是什麼問題很簡單還沒有還沒想好而且這個跟委員講的這並不是說去出版一本書那你要什麼時候出版也不是用外交部的預算\n\n03:18.989 --> 03:29.791\n所以這個兄弟我讀我自己長年來推動總和外交的一些施政理念跟同仁來共同形成一個配套的政策這個施政理念的這個手冊好了我這樣講手冊是由您自己個人出資啊一向如此我從來我都不用公家的預算那那撰寫這個書籍的話有請外交部的同仁協助嗎沒有就是\n\n03:46.426 --> 04:14.976\n資料的根據我要的資料的整理他們必須把在做的去做配套比如說我們的歐洲政策我跟委員報告像我們最近有沒有我們有一個從科技到文化嘛我們最近在推動歐洲為什麼會有突破那以前就是我們30個外館但是就各自為政你不要跟我說這麼多到時候您出版了我會我會這個閱讀這個大作我就知道了好不好因為我們大家在期待我會跟您分享如果有這個東西期待這個冊子對啊期待這個冊子出現要不然我先送幾本我以前出版的給\n\n04:15.556 --> 04:29.194\n我看過我看過我一向是您的書籍的粉絲我都看過所以我才好奇說這個標題標題還沒有定那內容大概有那預計什麼時候要出版呢\n\n04:30.584 --> 04:51.020\n有預計的時辰嗎我們就是一個要形成政策的一個共識跟論述的一個工作啦其實大家都要一起做這個工作才有共同的我們講的戰略風向跟路徑谷你預計有什麼時候要把這個東西做出來我這樣講你可不可以不要能夠接受隨時都可以做出來因為都在我的我們在進行中的政策啊\n\n04:51.360 --> 05:11.513\nOK好可是你總會有個時程吧那我如果問說那你明天就要做出來那你今天都還沒有想好標題怎麼可能呢那比較隨時啊我再跟委員請教一下如果應該用什麼方式會比較適合我都是開放式的那太好了知道委員的支持啊更有這個動力對對我好奇名稱而已好那我們請這個我們經貿談判辦公室上來好不好好\n\n05:21.764 --> 05:45.843\n部長您也留步我不確定會不會有您的這個沒關係您留步好這個我今天要問的是關於我們副總統蕭美琴日前接受加拿大的廣播公司專訪的時候提到川普政府在美國的投資不只有台積電還包含整個台積電的生態系請問這個部分我們在行政院的談判辦公室清不清楚\n\n05:47.612 --> 06:02.723\n我們都有看到相關的報導都有都有follow我不要問的是報導我是在說過程當中你們清不清楚就是我們在談判的時候呢有談到包含是台積電的生態系都納入在台美的這個關稅談判當中\n\n06:05.771 --> 06:24.406\n是知道清楚你的事是什麼意思是向委員報告就是說有關於這件事情的說明就是說這個是因為台灣的科學園區的模式在全球獨有加上產業園區工業區等所以其他國家難以複製這樣的園區規劃所以我國是願意與美國透過政府與政府的合作來創造有利產業聚落形成的環境這樣可以降低我國企業單打獨鬥的高成本跟風險\n\n06:35.214 --> 06:38.536\n因此我們提議導入過去產業記錄以及科學園區的經驗那我們會以國家跟產業利益來跟美國談判所以這個具體的做法是什麼因為你講到園區嘛具體的做法是什麼是說呢在台灣的這些園區呢由美國這裡來投資還是說呢我們要去美國投資園區\n\n06:57.408 --> 07:19.905\n跟委員報告這個所謂的台灣模式是在跟由台灣佈局全球總體策略下它包括幾個重點第一個就是它是由企業來自主規劃到美國來進行產業投資第二個是政府來整合所以是台灣到美國去投資但是由政府來整合政府來整合然後並且增加對業者的金融支持那第三點是要透過台美政府\n\n07:20.525 --> 07:25.509\n與政府就是居途居的合作來為我國企業打造有利的產業環境來協助相關產業在美國進行有利的國際布局那請問一下部長在這個部分外交部有沒有角色呢有啊因為我們很多外管什麼樣具體的其實我們在推動所謂的龍幫計畫就有一個智慧科技園區海外示範計畫\n\n07:42.022 --> 07:54.371\n那所以我們榮邦計畫這一次我也知道說我們在這個預算編列的部分增加了68億嘛對不對那在這68億的預算當中是不是您剛講的協助剛才我們經貿辦講的這個所謂的園區計畫那也是在這個68億其中呢相關的資源\n\n08:07.341 --> 08:29.033\n比如說我們這個台灣Tower就是中油的地那被收回也可惜我們把它變成一個其實就是一個單一服務窗口跨這個就是台美之間的這個服務可以整合在這裡那我們譬如說巴拉圭我們以前我們就是把一個廢棄的工業區開發成台巴智慧科學園區\n\n08:30.033 --> 08:57.678\n對我問的是台美的部分啦不是說我們今天的主題是台美啦我本來是針對邦交國可是現在也推動譬如說台美以外像菲律賓啊像中東歐的這個國家我想要問的是我們這個榮邦計畫裡面的68億當中有哪一些部分有多少的經費是在剛才經貿辦講到的跟外交部所共同合作的有關台美談判這些科學園區相關的協助金\n\n08:57.878 --> 09:09.484\n目前並沒有特別分對美國因為我們在啟動這個榮邦計畫是針對我們邦交國還有理念相近國家但是因為現在台美的經貿的談判有出現科學園區我跟委員報告比如說像最近電電工會有公布有沒有要在墨西哥設這個TIMA科技園區就是我們跟他們討論因為我們要公私協力有些國家是由企業來主導\n\n09:25.973 --> 09:48.942\n然後他們本來就要投資我們之後審查預算的時候會一個一個問您喔因為我要問今天就是在談台美關稅的議題嘛那您剛上來的時候我第一個問題問您的就是說呢那在這個我剛講的這個半導體的部分呢這個我們外交部有沒有角色您告訴我說有然後呢我就問說那有沒有一些具體的這個預算等等的就是具體的協助方向嘛\n\n09:49.542 --> 10:13.964\n那你具體有協助方向的話他當然也會有預算所以我才問說我們具體對於剛才所說的這個所謂的半導體投資的部分外交部具體的協助方向跟方式是什麼那運用到哪一些資源是我剛講榮邦計畫我們要設定對象邦交國跟理念相近國家兩大類理念相近國家本來是針對中東歐跟菲律賓等\n\n10:14.364 --> 10:29.010\n但現在包括美日歐其實很多的國家都適合我們去跟他一起合作這裡面涉及到就是科技資金跟人才三大塊那這個政策對美方面我們並沒有外交部另外特別編列預算因為當時在形成榮邦計畫的時候你說放在裡面了嘛\n\n10:32.611 --> 10:54.248\n但是因為政策的主張的內容是相近就是有關於智慧科技園區海外示範計畫那這裡面會有一個交集所以我想要請問一下剛才你講的這個美國的部分因為你講說嘛榮邦計畫除了這些原本我們一些邦交國理念相近的之外美日的部分也會把它納進來嘛因為也跟我們理念每日歐都有嘛那我特別詢問\n\n10:55.389 --> 11:18.040\n我特別詢問的就是說在這個榮邦計畫的這個整體的預算規劃當中對於美國談判就是對於美國投資或是美國相關協助的部分包含是園區的部分它佔了多少的比例呢這是分開的但是因為現在因為台美的談判裡面有出現了所謂的台灣模式會有科學園區所以我們的榮邦計畫\n\n11:19.181 --> 11:31.145\n同樣這個模式也可以蓋美國啊來這個怎麼樣去結合成一個台灣模式所以並不是說我們一開始針對美國的我知道我知道這是分開的我知道但我要問說因為它包含在裡面嘛所以它包含在裡面的它可以包含它\n\n11:38.087 --> 11:47.531\n因為不是說它可以包含你預算都編了那你一定已經有一個想法跟規劃了那我問的是說對於美國的對於你剛剛講的園區的這一部分來說的話是佔這個榮邦計畫裡面的多少經費嗎\n\n11:54.674 --> 12:07.925\n這麼簡單的問題沒有在這方面另外別列預算只有這個政策就是行政院核定的龍邦計畫我們的對象國家那不是有包含美國嗎那因為我們本身也在推動智慧科技園區海外示範計畫同樣的不限對象的話你念相近國家裡面也可以適用不是也可以你一定是那也可以的意思是也可能沒有行政院包括經貿談判辦公室\n\n12:21.096 --> 12:26.240\n這個我們外交部會是參與但是對美的這個關稅啦或者是232條款或是投資或供應鏈的合作這個還是整個行政院跨部會的事情但是如果他們需要動用資金的話在外交部來講應該不會來自於我們這邊的資金啦那你剛不講說科學園區等等的投資的部分我跟委員再講一點時間也就是說我們要推動\n\n12:45.794 --> 12:57.686\n智慧科技研究院海外計畫我們已經跟以大帶小公司協力軟硬兼施內外循環有四個政策設計硬的部分是誰要硬我再跟委員詳細報告我們最近怎麼樣在一些友邦推動軟硬兼施硬的部分軟體跟硬體啦\n\n13:04.292 --> 13:09.234\n我們不要只是賣硬體的製造我們要軟體的服務系統整合老半天告訴我說是軟體跟硬體我實在是覺得因為這樣子口訣我多問了兩句之後就變成就從那個軟硬間是突然變軟體跟硬體那不講這麼多總之我想是這樣子的因為先前剛剛講的這個生態系赴美的事情那國發會說事前都不知情我最後詢問一下外交部事前是知情的嗎\n\n13:33.683 --> 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系統整合老半天告訴我說是軟體跟硬體我實在是覺得因為這樣子口訣我多問了兩句之後就變成就從那個軟硬間是突然變軟體跟硬體那不講這麼多總之我想是這樣子的因為先前剛剛講的這個生態系赴美的事情那國發會說事前都不知情我最後詢問一下外交部事前是知情的嗎"},{"start":813.683,"end":840.624,"text":"我是想說應該是我們供應鏈的擴展沒有啦 我就很我問的就是蕭美琴說的可以有台美聯合艦隊台日聯合艦隊 台歐聯合艦隊的這件事情而已你不要跟我講別的我就是專門問你這個部分就是蕭美琴副總統說台灣投資美國包含整個晶片生態系因為我要告訴你喔國發會他們說事前不知道喔那您事前是知道的嗎"},{"start":841.67,"end":861.799,"text":"用什麼名詞形容是另外一回事就是生態系啊整個台美關係我是很清楚的生態系赴美台積電生態系赴美這件事情嗎我的理解是半導體供應鏈的拓展這不是移植這個是我們成功的模式因為我時間不夠了還有其他人要質詢"},{"start":862.679,"end":884.872,"text":"所以我簡單講我覺得你們就是事前不知情啊因為你這個供應鏈整體的這個說法那大家都知道啊那如果說大家都知道的東西蕭美琴副總統要提出來那又怎麼會變成是一個新聞國發會會怎麼說事前不知情呢所以不知情以後就告訴我說不知情就好了就不用另外再講說哎呀還有什麼其他的東西我的概念跟理解那時間有限謝謝"}]}}},"gazette":{"lineno":378,"blocks":[["徐委員巧芯：（11時1分）謝謝主席，我們先請林佳龍部長。"],["主席：請部長。"],["徐委員巧芯：部長好。"],["林部長佳龍：委員好。"],["徐委員巧芯：我們先從輕鬆一點的內容開始討論，先恭喜，有媒體報導您寫新書了……"],["林部長佳龍：我……"],["徐委員巧芯：外交部要寫新書，不是嗎？但是有人在講，外交部有些人說要寫書，然後內部公務員有一些意見等等的，你們也已經回應了，非常的快速，是要做一些政策討論，包含總合外交等等一些議題的書籍。部長，可不可以先幫我們介紹一下書……我想先問一下書名叫什麼？"],["林部長佳龍：是這樣，就像我跟委員提到的業務報告，這是我針對總合外交怎麼去推動……"],["徐委員巧芯：對，我知道。不是，我先好奇問，書名叫做什麼？你們定了沒？"],["林部長佳龍：因為它不是一本書啦，其實是我們對政策的方向，然後大家凝聚共識……"],["徐委員巧芯：那也有個名字吧？"],["林部長佳龍：什麼？"],["徐委員巧芯：也有個名字吧？"],["林部長佳龍：就是會有一個報告。"],["徐委員巧芯：一個報告？不是會做成一個……"],["林部長佳龍：而且我跟委員報告我的想法……"],["徐委員巧芯：對、對、對，好。"],["林部長佳龍：沒有去動用什麼，這個本來就是我們業務單位根據我的施政理念，尤其是業務報告要落實到各單位去推動，因為要有配套嘛，這個方面我想對於我們有共同外交的目標，我們的路徑圖很重要。"],["徐委員巧芯：有，我知道，我覺得很好啦，我沒有要批評你的意思，我只是很好奇這個書，你叫政策白皮書也好或什麼樣也好，它的名稱叫什麼？"],["林部長佳龍：我跟委員報告，比如之前……跟這個沒有關係，我自己有出版一本叫「經濟日不落國」，就是……"],["徐委員巧芯：有，您在交通部長的任內，交通部也有編著這個，我知道。"],["林部長佳龍：台灣新雁行國際聯合艦隊，就是現在我們在推動的經濟外交的來源嘛！"],["徐委員巧芯：我知道啦，您在交通部的時候也有一本這樣的冊子嘛！我覺得都沒有關係，因為有政策讓更多人知道是好事，我只是好奇問一下，您之前在交通部時候的這本，我們就講政策書好了，叫做「交通彩繪家：林佳龍與人本交通的創新治理」，我想問，現在我們在規劃的這一個手冊的標題叫什麼？"],["林部長佳龍：這是不一樣的，不過我跟委員講，您講的這個是我自己出錢在……形成我自己的一些政策論述。"],["徐委員巧芯：是。"],["林部長佳龍：因為也要跟社會溝通，這是民主的時代嘛！"],["徐委員巧芯：當然、當然，我沒有反對啊！"],["林部長佳龍：所以我在當交通部長，你也知道包括Uber問題的解決，包括現在的TPASS……"],["徐委員巧芯：我知道啦！"],["林部長佳龍：包括無人機、智慧電動車，所有的都是來自於我們的政策平台。"],["徐委員巧芯：不是，我沒有反對，我只是問一下你們想好這個名稱了沒？就標題，我想問一下這個冊子的標題是什麼？我的問題很簡單。"],["林部長佳龍：還沒有。"],["徐委員巧芯：還沒想好喔？"],["林部長佳龍：而且跟委員講，這並不是去出版一本書……"],["徐委員巧芯：那你要什麼時候出版？"],["林部長佳龍：也不是用外交部的預算……"],["徐委員巧芯：所以這一次……"],["林部長佳龍：是我自己長年來推動總合外交的一些施政理念，跟同仁共同形成的一個配套政策。"],["徐委員巧芯：OK，我這樣講好了，所以這一次施政理念的手冊，是由您自己個人出資啊？"],["林部長佳龍：一向如此。"],["徐委員巧芯：好，個人出資。"],["林部長佳龍：我從來都不用公家的預算，因為很麻煩。"],["徐委員巧芯：那撰寫這個書籍有請外交部的同仁協助嗎？"],["林部長佳龍：沒有，就是資料的整理，根據我要的，他們必須把在做的事再去做配套……"],["徐委員巧芯：資料的整理，OK，好。"],["林部長佳龍：譬如說我們的歐洲政策。我跟委員報告，像我們最近有一個「從科技島到文化台灣」，我們在推動歐洲，至於為什麼會有突破？以前我們30個外館是各自為政，現在整合起來……"],["徐委員巧芯：我懂，您不用跟我說這麼多，到時候您出版了我會閱讀大作，我就知道了，好不好？"],["林部長佳龍：好，我會跟您分享。"],["徐委員巧芯：我們大家來期待，我們期待。"],["林部長佳龍：如果有出版的話。"],["徐委員巧芯：我們期待這個冊子出現嘛！"],["林部長佳龍：要不然我先送幾本我以前出版的給委員參考一下。"],["徐委員巧芯：不用，我看過、我看過，我一向是您書籍的粉絲，我都看過。"],["林部長佳龍：不敢當。"],["徐委員巧芯：所以我才好奇這個標題，但是標題還沒有定，至於內容大概有，好，那預計什麼時候要出版呢？有預計的時程嗎？"],["林部長佳龍：你講出版……"],["徐委員巧芯：好啦，那什麼時候發行呢？"],["林部長佳龍：我們就是要形成政策的共識跟論述的一個工作啦！其實大家都要一起做這個工作，我們講這樣才有共同的戰略圖像跟路徑圖。"],["徐委員巧芯：部長，你預計什麼時候要把這個東西做出來？我這樣講你是不是比較能接受？何時做出來？"],["林部長佳龍：隨時都可以做出來，因為都是我們在進行中的政策啊！"],["徐委員巧芯：OK，好，可是你總會有個時程吧？如果你明天就要做出來，但你今天都還沒有想好標題，怎麼可能呢？那不叫隨時啊，隨時就是我現在問你，你就會跟我說答案。"],["林部長佳龍：我再跟委員請教一下，應該用什麼方式會比較適合？"],["徐委員巧芯：我都是開放式的，我只是好奇。"],["林部長佳龍：那太好了，得到委員的支持，讓我更有動力。"],["徐委員巧芯：對，我好奇名稱而已。我們請經貿談判辦公室上來，好不好？部長您也留步，我不確定會不會有您的部分。","我今天要問的是，關於我們副總統蕭美琴，日前接受加拿大的廣播公司專訪的時候提到川普政府時說：我們在美國的投資不只有台積電，還包含整個台積電的生態系。請問這個部分，行政院談判辦公室清不清楚？"],["徐執行秘書崇欽：我們都有看到相關的報導，都有follow。"],["徐委員巧芯：不是，我要問的不是報導，我是說過程當中你們清不清楚？我們在談判的時候有談到，包含台積電的生態系都納入在台美的關稅談判當中？"],["徐執行秘書崇欽：是。"],["徐委員巧芯：是？知道？清楚？"],["徐執行秘書崇欽：是的。"],["徐委員巧芯：你的「是」是什麼意思？"],["徐執行秘書崇欽：向委員報告，有關於這件事情的說明，這個是因為台灣科學園區的模式全球獨有，加上產業園區、工業區等，所以其他國家難以複製這樣的園區規劃，所以我國是願意與美國透過政府與政府的合作來創造有利產業聚落形成的環境，這樣可以降低我國企業單打獨鬥的高成本跟風險。因此我們提議導入過去產業聚落，以及科學園區的經驗，我們會以國家跟產業利益來跟美國談判，依照根留台灣的原則全球布局……"],["徐委員巧芯：所以具體的做法是什麼？因為你講到園區嘛，具體的做法是什麼？是說在台灣的這些園區由美國這裡來投資？還是說我們要去美國投資園區？"],["徐執行秘書崇欽：所謂的台灣模式是在根留台灣、布局全球的總體策略下，它包括幾個重點：第一個，它是由企業來自主規劃到美國進行產業投資；第二個，是政府來整合……"],["徐委員巧芯：所以是台灣到美國去投資，但是由政府來整合？"],["徐執行秘書崇欽：政府來整合，並且增加對業者的金融支持。第三點，是要透過台美的政府與政府（G2G）的合作，來為我國企業打造有利的產業環境，來協助關產業在美國進行有利的國際布局。"],["徐委員巧芯：好，知道了。部長，請問一下，外交部在這個部分有沒有角色呢？"],["林部長佳龍：有啊，因為我們有很多外館啊！"],["徐委員巧芯：什麼樣的角色？具體的講。"],["林部長佳龍：其實我們在推動所謂的榮邦計畫，其中就有一個智慧科技園區海外示範計畫。"],["徐委員巧芯：好，所以這一次榮邦計畫，我也知道我們在預算編列的部分增加了68億嘛，對不對？"],["林部長佳龍：是。"],["徐委員巧芯：您剛剛講的，在這68億的預算當中，是不是包含剛才經貿辦講的所謂協助園區的計畫？而相關的支援也是在這個68億中嗎？"],["林部長佳龍：比如說，我們Taiwan Tower就是中油的地，被收回也可惜，我們把它變成一個單一服務窗口，台美之間的服務可以整合在這裡。例如說巴拉圭，以前我們就是把一個廢棄的工業區開發成「台巴智慧科技園區」……"],["徐委員巧芯：我問的是台美的部分啦，我們今天的主題是台美嘛！"],["林部長佳龍：因為我們本來是針對邦交國，可是現在也推動台美以外，像菲律賓……"],["徐委員巧芯：你這個榮邦計畫的推動不只是……"],["林部長佳龍：中東歐的國家都是……"],["徐委員巧芯：對、對，我知道，我想要問的是我們榮邦計畫的68億當中，有哪一些部分，有多少經費是在剛才經貿辦講到的，跟外交部所共同合作的，有關台美談判這些科學園區相關的協助經費？"],["林部長佳龍：目前並沒有特別針對美國，因為我們在啟動榮邦計畫是針對我們的邦交國及理念相近國家。"],["徐委員巧芯：沒有，對邦交國還有別的預算啊！"],["林部長佳龍：但是因為現在台美的經貿談判……"],["徐委員巧芯：那你剛剛講的那個園區……"],["林部長佳龍：科學園區……"],["徐委員巧芯：對，你剛剛講那個園區……"],["林部長佳龍：我跟委員報告，比如像最近電電公會有公布要在墨西哥設「TEEMA科技園區」，我們跟他們討論，因為我們要公私協力……"],["徐委員巧芯：我知道，我問的是台美。"],["林部長佳龍：由企業來主導，然後他們本來就要投資……"],["徐委員巧芯：都很好，那個我們之後審查預算的時候會一個一個問您，我今天就是在談台美關稅的議題，您剛上來的時候，我第一個問題就是我剛剛講的半導體，我問的是我們外交部有沒有角色？您告訴我是有，然後我就問那有沒有一些具體的預算等等？也就是具體的協助方向，如果你有具體協助方向的話，當然也會有預算，所以我才問你們具體對於剛才所說的半導體投資，外交部具體的協助方向跟方式是什麼？運用到哪一些資源？"],["林部長佳龍：我剛剛講到榮邦計畫要設定對象，邦交國跟理念相近國家兩大類，理念相近國家本來是針對中東歐跟菲利賓等，但現在包括美日歐，其實很多的國家都適合我們去跟他們一起合作，這裡面涉及到科技、資金跟人才三大塊，這個政策在對美方面，外交部並沒有另外特別編列預算，因為當時在形成榮邦計畫的時候跟這個是分開的。"],["徐委員巧芯：你就放在裡面了嘛！"],["林部長佳龍：但因為政策主張的內容是相近，就是有關於智慧科技園區、海外示範計劃，這裡面會有交集……"],["徐委員巧芯：好，我知道了。所以我想要請問一下，剛才你講到美國的部分，因為你講榮邦計畫除了原本的邦交國及理念相近國家之外，美日的部分也會把它納進來嘛？"],["林部長佳龍：美日歐，理念相近，全球布局……"],["徐委員巧芯：美日歐都有嘛，我特別詢問的就是在榮邦計畫的整體預算規劃當中，對於美國談判，即對於美國投資或是美國相關協助的部分，包含園區，它占了多少的比例呢？"],["林部長佳龍：這是分開的。"],["徐委員巧芯：那應該是多少呢？"],["林部長佳龍：現在因為台美談判裡面有出現了所謂的臺灣模式，會有科學園區，所以我們的榮邦計畫同樣這個模式，也可以看美國怎麼樣去結合成一個臺灣模式，所以並不是說我們一開始針對美國的這部分的預算，這是分開的。"],["徐委員巧芯：我知道，我知道，但因為它包含在裡面，所以……"],["林部長佳龍：它可以包含它……"],["徐委員巧芯：不是它可以包含，因為預算都編了，那你一定已經有一個想法跟規劃了，那我問的是對於美國的，對於你剛剛講園區的這一部分來說，是占榮邦計畫裡面的多少經費？這麼簡單的問題！"],["林部長佳龍：沒有在這方面另外編列預算，只是說這個政策就是行政院核定的榮邦計畫，我們的對象國家……"],["徐委員巧芯：那不是有包含美國嗎？"],["林部長佳龍：因為我們本身也在推動智慧科技園區海外示範計畫……"],["徐委員巧芯：也可以包含是不一定包含還是怎麼樣？"],["林部長佳龍：同樣的，不限對象的話，理念相近國家裡面也可以適用。"],["徐委員巧芯：不是也可以，也可以的意思是也可能沒有？"],["林部長佳龍：這個屬於行政院經貿談判辦公室，我們外交部會參與，但是對美的關稅或者是232條款，或是投資，或供應鏈的合作，這還是整個行政院跨部會的事情。"],["徐委員巧芯：但是如果他們需要動用資金的話，在外交部來講就是你剛才講的……"],["林部長佳龍：應該不會來自於我們這邊的資金啦！"],["徐委員巧芯：那你剛剛不是講科學園區等等投資的部分也可以……"],["林部長佳龍：委員給我一點時間，我們要推動智慧科技園區海外計畫，我們是已經發揮「以大帶小、軟硬兼施、公私協力、內外循環」，有有四個政策……"],["徐委員巧芯：你確定「軟硬兼施」喔？"],["林部長佳龍：有、有、有。"],["徐委員巧芯：硬的部分是怎樣？"],["林部長佳龍：我再跟委員詳細報告，我們最近怎麼樣在一些友邦推動。"],["徐委員巧芯：這個「軟硬兼施」的硬的部分呢？"],["林部長佳龍：是軟體跟硬體啦，我們不要只是賣硬體的製造，我們也要軟體的服務。"],["徐委員巧芯：你剛才講「軟硬兼施」，結果講了老半天告訴我是軟體跟硬體，我實在是覺得……"],["林部長佳龍：因為這樣子的口訣，16個字比較好記。"],["徐委員巧芯：我多問了兩句之後，就從「軟硬兼施」突然變軟體跟硬體。","好，不講這麼多，總之我想是這樣子的。因為先前講生態系赴美的事情，國發會說事前都不知情，我最後詢問一下，外交部事前是知情的嗎？"],["林部長佳龍：我想應該是我們供應鏈的拓展，然後深耕台灣、布局全球，我們這個成功的模式，可以有台美聯合艦隊、台日聯合艦隊、台歐聯合艦隊……"],["徐委員巧芯：沒有啦，我問的就是蕭美琴說的，投資美國包括整個晶片生態系的這一件事情而已，你不要跟我講別的，我就是專門問你這一個部分。蕭美琴副總統說臺灣投資美國包含整個晶片生態系，因為我要告訴你，國發會他們說事前不知道喔，那您事前是知道的嗎？"],["林部長佳龍：用什麼名詞形容是另外一回事……"],["徐委員巧芯：就是生態系啊！"],["林部長佳龍：整個台美關係，我是很清楚的。"],["徐委員巧芯：台積電生態系赴美這件事情嘛！"],["林部長佳龍：我的理解是半導體供應鏈的拓展，這不是移植，這是我們成功的模式……"],["徐委員巧芯：好，因為我時間不夠了，還有其他人要質詢。所以我簡單講，我覺得你們就是事前不知情，你這個供應鏈整體的這個說法，大家都知道啊，如果說大家都知道的東西，蕭美琴副總統提出來，那又怎麼會變成是一個新聞？國發會又怎麼會說事前不知情呢？所以不知情你就告訴我不知情就好了，就不用另外再講還有什麼其他的東西，你的概念跟理解是如何。時間有限，謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝。","接下來請賴惠員委員質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":332,"meet_id":"委員會-11-4-35-7","speakers":["馬文君","陳永康","陳俊宇","羅美玲","黃仁","林楚茵","葉元之","陳冠廷","徐巧芯","賴惠員","林德福","黃國昌","林憶君","王定宇","沈伯洋","楊瓊瓔","林倩綺"],"page_start":289,"meetingDate":["2025-10-22"],"gazette_id":"1148601","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1148601_00007"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第4會期外交及國防委員會第7次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"邀請外交部部長林佳龍報告「近期台美關係及關稅談判進展」，併請行政院經貿談判辦公室、經\n濟部、農業部列席，並備質詢","agenda_id":"1148601_00006"}}}