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00:03:20,079\n我想針對的就是說台中無期一個三百場是用用這個等於是他是吃那個廚藝的就是吃噴的那就是我們在這裡頭我們10月10號發現有狀況了10月14號那就是說這個豬場爆上去了那台中台中的那個動保處來檢驗因為他說在治療中所以他沒有採驗檢體\n\n9\n00:03:22,011 --> 00:03:39,258\n到了昨天昨天為止他講說死了117頭其中有一頭我們檢驗出就是惠州豬瘟核酸核酸陽性所謂核酸陽性就表示已經是傳染到了\n\n10\n00:03:40,273 --> 00:04:08,829\n可是祖密一隻蝶四十五天它的病毒還是存在的尤其是非洲豬瘟它是一個大顆粒的病毒你們現在剛才在記者會上面做了五項五項的一個防疫的一個措施是不是有沒有掌握到就是說這個豬場在範圍五公里內有沒有其他的一個豬場也是受感染啊你知不知道\n\n11\n00:04:09,742 --> 00:04:22,820\n跟委員報告一下就如同剛剛委員所講的我們農業部的獸醫研究所昨天早上11點44分收到台中東寶處送來的這個檢體那我們在昨天的下午6點\n\n12\n00:04:24,249 --> 00:04:37,892\n再用PCR驗出這個就是確定了嘛你核酸就是確定了我跟你講你CPR確定了以後你有沒有全國現在開始全國少一次我跟你說祖密我是獸醫我對這個問題我非常非常的緊張你要知道我們已經20年20年完全就是非洲豬瘟已經那個都是節炎體的\n\n13\n00:04:48,895 --> 00:05:08,246\n那你這麼大的一個問題這個考驗到我們農業部在這個危機處理上的一個真正的一個應變的應變的一個方式啊不然你會害死這這麼大龐大的一個那個豬籠啊好來繼續我要知道5公里內有沒有其他的豬場目前是3公里3公里有幾場\n\n14\n00:05:11,229 --> 00:05:25,394\n不過我還是要跟委員報告雖然我們昨天晚上部長有召開緊急的會議但是因為今天早上七點半有一個專家諮詢小組的會議是那剛剛九點十點是記者會現在目前這個當下是中央應變中心的這個會議\n\n15\n00:05:26,414 --> 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謝謝\n23703\t52068\t那個我在這裡要先請教那個徐竹密就執密啦徐竹密就是說針對的就是說在這一次農產品的零關稅還有就是農產品的零關稅還有他在畜牧產業裡頭標示的就是說不得標示那個肉品的進口來源這兩個議題先跟你做一個探討因為\n52808\t76124\t台南就是稻米跟畜牧的一個重鎮那這一次稻米關稅跟糧食安全當然我們希望一定會守住國家的底線因為看起來就是說這整個談判的過程裡頭我們是把晶片跟工業放在優先那是不是會犧牲掉農業尤其是稻米的一個產業那我們還會維持一個公糧的制度嗎\n77641\t91650\t向委員報告就是說我們在談判的過程中一向是都是秉持四大的原則就是國家利益產業利益國民健康以及糧食安全來跟跟美方來進行談判那美方也知道我們這四大的原則所以你還是繼續會就是公糧繼續收購嗎\n94346\t117077\t有關於整個談判的細節 因為談判還在進行當中所以就是還是等到談判結束的時候有沒有這樣的一個準備呢還是公糧你還是會維持就是說是一個那個26塊然後就是虎島收購的價錢還是維持在24.5塊錢就是說起碼這個數字是不會改變太大的\n119037\t143138\t我沒有討論過啦 不能講因為這個就已經牽涉到這個協商的細節你要知道這個制度在台灣二十幾年都沒有改變你不能讓台灣民因為關稅配額的一個制度其實大家這些道龍都是在喘息中求生存\n144582\t170580\t所以尤其是中南部很多的一個農地他們還是用來種稻米的所以我在這裡要特別跟徐主秘做這樣的一個報告你要特別的關心還有豬肉的一個關稅跟產業的一個轉型怎麼樣穩定豬農的一個信心那我在這裡請教農業部就是林主秘委員好\n172242\t200079\t我想針對的就是說台中無期一個三百場是用用這個等於是他是吃那個廚藝的就是吃噴的那就是我們在這裡頭我們10月10號發現有狀況了10月14號那就是說這個豬場爆上去了那台中台中的那個動保處來檢驗因為他說在治療中所以他沒有採驗檢體\n202011\t219258\t到了昨天 昨天為止他講說死了117頭其中有一頭我們檢驗出就是惠州豬瘟核酸 核酸陽性所謂核酸陽性就表示已經是傳染到了\n220273\t248829\t可是 祖密 一隻蝶 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