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00:02:11,318\n我看了半天以後趙偉你們是不是作業有疏忽啊民進黨立法院黨團昨天不是大動作說他們提出了最好的版本你怎麼沒有把這個最好的版本一起今天排審現在這個到底是怎麼回事因為我們在野黨不要讓公民誤會說民進黨立法院黨團在沉睡了幾年以後昨天突然提出了最好的版本卻沒有把它排審上來\n\n6\n00:02:12,762 --> 00:02:27,501\n回答黃國昌委員因為民進黨團的版本還沒有送到院會裡面來蛤到現在都還沒有送來還沒有對喔好那這樣子我了解了不是啦這種事情一定要公開講清楚嘛要不然有很多外送員朋友大家會覺得很困惑嘛\n\n7\n00:02:28,542 --> 00:02:45,316\n不要造成這樣子的困惑我覺得會比較好啦好謝謝謝謝召委來現在有請勞動部部長洪森漢交通部次長陳彥博數位發展部次長葉寧那以及經濟部只有經濟部有人來嗎\n\n8\n00:02:47,923 --> 00:03:15,659\n現在經濟部有人在嗎經濟部是商業發展署的副署長是是是請也跟那個黃委員說一下剛剛這個速發部的次長他說他有會議所以現在在現場的是副署長黃亞平OK好沒有關係黃委員好那個再請我們洪部長以前我先請問一下其他主管機關因為剛剛所有人都關心\n\n9\n00:03:17,001 --> 00:03:32,451\n行政院有沒有版本什麼時候要送到立法院來剛剛洪部長在回答其他委員備詢的時候其實也講得很清楚這件事情有部裡面可以努力的地方他要送到行政院\n\n10\n00:03:33,491 --> 00:04:01,645\n行政院什麼時候會出來其實也不知道因為我在司法法治委員會這種狀況我遇過很多法務部部長常常跟我講他很無奈說法務部的版本早就送到行政院了但行政院很忙忙得不得了通常一個部的版本送到行政院裡面睡個一年兩年沒有什麼下文在目前的狀態下面其實已經成為常態\n\n11\n00:04:02,785 --> 00:04:30,861\n那個例子不生沒舉但是我們對於外送員權益的保障我們對於這些年輕人的承諾是絕對不可能去考慮說勞動部的版本什麼時候要送出來送出來以後到行政院裡面又要睡多久但為了加速接下來可能時間的進行能夠加速一點各個部會是不是贊成很重要\n\n12\n00:04:31,661 --> 00:04:58,172\n要不然勞動部為了勞工的權益在前面衝後面其他的部會在扯後腿這樣不好啊所以來先從現在因為行政院院會有指定有關外送平台專責的機關是交通部嘛簡要回答第一個針對訂定這個外送員權益的專法交通部贊不贊成我們交通部支持支持嘛來第二個經濟部\n\n13\n00:05:00,522 --> 00:05:13,797\n經濟部支不支持支持嘛喔好速發部支不支持速發部也支持那顯然就不是其他部會扯後腿的問題嘛其他部會都支持啊後尾你有沒有聽到\n\n14\n00:05:15,325 --> 00:05:31,127\n有嘛其他部會都支持嘛大家都支持啊非常好那剛剛部長說啊說勞動部這邊大概還要三個月的時間來作業嘛三個月內非常好那三個月內我希望內快一點啦因為\n\n15\n00:05:32,270 --> 00:05:50,271\n我基本上從台灣民眾黨黨團的立場我會強力的要求中國國民黨黨團只要我對你們有不敬強力的要求中國國民黨黨團這個法案要往前推年底以前完成三讀這是我們的政治目標我們一起努力\n\n16\n00:05:51,352 --> 00:06:02,961\n不管勞動部要多久行政院要多久現在有個關鍵的問題是說你們在訂所謂的勞動部版本或行政院版本的過程當中相關的公會代表可不可以邀請來參與\n\n17\n00:06:05,407 --> 00:06:33,628\n定版本就在炒你版本的過程當中聽取大家的意見的時候相關工會的代表可不可以來當然啊當然可以嘛因為我是今天來的時候就是有工會的代表來跟我反映他說民進黨好像這一兩天可能是在黨的平台不關行政院的事啦找了很多工會說要去討論那個版本的內容\n\n18\n00:06:34,429 --> 00:07:02,727\n那民進黨願意這樣子做但是他就覺得說但是他沒有受邀啦但是他希望在政府的平台上因為政府平台上就不應該有黨派之別嘛所以呢在勞動部或是行政院的平台上面要這些相關的工會代表來參與的時候不會因為不同的工會有大小眼啊為什麼會大小眼不會當然不會絕對不會嘛當然不會非常好其實他要的只有這個答案非常好\n\n19\n00:07:03,627 --> 00:07:23,957\n那我們接下來來看台灣民眾黨黨團其實我們從上一屆國會的時候在相臨委員他就早就提出來了但那個時候沒有辦法那個時候勞動部沒有要推因為勞動部說什麼勞動部說訂專法有一定的難度那我相信現在這個困難應該克服了\n\n20\n00:07:25,387 --> 00:07:36,315\n克服不少克服不少嘛繼續努力啦趕快克服啦因為我剛剛態度表明的很清楚這個法案在繼續向前走的過程當中\n\n21\n00:07:37,830 --> 00:08:04,872\n我們不會等我們不會等早一點進來有行政部門的聲音絕對是好事至於說法條裡面具體的各個設計包括了大家其實最關心的是因為經濟部的代表今天關心的事情是有很多小吃店有很多商家頭很痛被抽成抽很多我煮一個便當我賣一個牛腩堡100塊\n\n22\n00:08:08,071 --> 00:08:19,485\n結果裡面如果有三四十塊被平台業者抽走那接下來他們要怎麼活第二個事情是從外送員的角度也是一樣送了以後我們外送員薪資的計算\n\n23\n00:08:21,616 --> 00:08:49,717\n高度不透明那也是導致我們年輕朋友常常出來抗議的理由我相信這些聲音你們在過去研議的過程當中都聽到那針對這些相關具體法案實際上面設計的內容終於有機會可以真槍實彈的開始進行討論了我希望接下來在這個法案在這個委員會推進的過程當中能夠一切順利\n\n24\n00:08:50,878 --> 00:09:12,867\n主席站起來了我下面的PPT我會另外再用時間找其他的時間部長有機會來委員會的時候我再進一步請教我跟簡單回應委員我們自己覺得外送人的這個專法是很可以朝野合作來把它共同完成那也會對外送人的權益會跨出蠻大的一步我們很樂意用這個態度來積極的來參與好很好謝謝\n\n25\n00:09:19,431 --> 00:09:19,917\n謝謝黃國昌委員發言\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n6495\t19868\t謝謝昭偉 那個首先啦在開始邀請列席的行政官員上來備詢以前我有個會議詢問想要先詢問一下昭偉第一個事情是 我先代表\n21038\t49319\t台灣民眾黨立法院黨團感謝召委今天排審這個外送員權益專法因為過去太長的時間當中我們看到每天在馬路上吹風淋雨的這些年輕人他們的心聲但我們一直在等我們一直在等等到要拖到什麼時候我們才能夠處理啊\n50833\t79170\t這個專法我相信韋翔也記得我們在一起在台中大街小巷的時候不管是庭委不管是韋翔我們在馬路上看到那麼多年輕人跟我們揮手我們答應他們我們說到的事情我們會做到所以我先感謝廖昭偉今天終於讓這個法案有開始生立的機會\n80560\t101597\t但我看了今天的整個議程 我覺得很困惑因為今天排審的有委員侯孟凱21人拟據有台灣民眾黨黨團拟據有委員羅廷維拟據有委員王一鳴拟據有委員王洪威拟據有委員楊瓊英拟據 總共排了6萬\n103169\t131318\t我看了半天以後 趙偉你們是不是作業有疏忽啊民進黨立法院黨團昨天不是大動作說他們提出了最好的版本你怎麼沒有把這個最好的版本一起今天排審現在這個到底是怎麼回事因為我們在野黨不要讓公民誤會說民進黨立法院黨團在沉睡了幾年以後昨天突然提出了最好的版本卻沒有把它排審上來\n132762\t147501\t回答黃國昌委員因為民進黨團的版本還沒有送到院會裡面來蛤 到現在都還沒有送來還沒有 對喔 好 那這樣子我了解了不是啦 這種事情一定要公開講清楚嘛要不然有很多外送員朋友大家會覺得很困惑嘛\n148542\t165316\t不要造成這樣子的困惑我覺得會比較好啦好謝謝謝謝召委來現在有請勞動部部長洪森漢交通部次長陳彥博數位發展部次長葉寧那以及經濟部只有經濟部有人來嗎\n167923\t195659\t現在經濟部有人在嗎經濟部是商業發展署的副署長是是是請也跟那個黃委員說一下剛剛這個速發部的次長他說他有會議所以現在在現場的是副署長黃亞平OK好沒有關係黃委員好那個再請我們洪部長以前我先請問一下其他主管機關因為剛剛所有人都關心\n197001\t212451\t行政院有沒有版本什麼時候要送到立法院來剛剛洪部長在回答其他委員備詢的時候其實也講得很清楚這件事情有部裡面可以努力的地方他要送到行政院\n213491\t241645\t行政院什麼時候會出來其實也不知道因為我在司法法治委員會這種狀況我遇過很多法務部部長常常跟我講他很無奈說法務部的版本早就送到行政院了但行政院很忙忙得不得了通常一個部的版本送到行政院裡面睡個一年兩年沒有什麼下文在目前的狀態下面其實已經成為常態\n242785\t270861\t那個例子不生沒舉但是我們對於外送員權益的保障我們對於這些年輕人的承諾是絕對不可能去考慮說勞動部的版本什麼時候要送出來送出來以後到行政院裡面又要睡多久但為了加速接下來可能時間的進行能夠加速一點各個部會是不是贊成很重要\n271661\t298172\t要不然勞動部為了勞工的權益在前面衝後面其他的部會在扯後腿這樣不好啊 所以來 先從現在 因為行政院院會有指定有關外送平台專責的機關是交通部嘛簡要回答 第一個針對訂定這個外送員權益的專法交通部贊不贊成我們交通部支持支持嘛 來 第二個 經濟部\n300522\t313797\t經濟部支不支持 支持嘛 喔 好速發部支不支持 速發部也支持那顯然就不是其他部會扯後腿的問題嘛其他部會都支持啊 後尾你有沒有聽到\n315325\t331127\t有嘛其他部會都支持嘛大家都支持啊 非常好那剛剛部長說啊說勞動部這邊大概還要三個月的時間來作業嘛三個月內 非常好那三個月內我希望內快一點啦因為\n332270\t350271\t我基本上從台灣民眾黨黨團的立場我會強力的要求中國國民黨黨團只要我對你們有不敬強力的要求中國國民黨黨團這個法案要往前推年底以前完成三讀這是我們的政治目標我們一起努力\n351352\t362961\t不管勞動部要多久 行政院要多久現在有個關鍵的問題是說你們在訂所謂的勞動部版本或行政院版本的過程當中相關的公會代表可不可以邀請來參與\n365407\t393628\t定版本就在炒你版本的過程當中聽取大家的意見的時候相關工會的代表可不可以來當然啊當然可以嘛因為我是今天來的時候就是有工會的代表來跟我反映他說民進黨好像這一兩天可能是在黨的平台不關行政院的事啦找了很多工會說要去討論那個版本的內容\n394429\t422727\t那民進黨願意這樣子做但是他就覺得說但是他沒有受邀啦但是他希望在政府的平台上因為政府平台上就不應該有黨派之別嘛所以呢在勞動部或是行政院的平台上面要這些相關的工會代表來參與的時候不會因為不同的工會有大小眼啊為什麼會大小眼不會 當然不會 絕對不會嘛當然不會 非常好其實他要的只有這個答案 非常好\n423627\t443957\t那我們接下來來看 台灣民眾黨黨團其實我們從上一屆國會的時候在相臨委員他就早就提出來了但那個時候沒有辦法那個時候勞動部沒有要推因為勞動部說什麼勞動部說訂專法有一定的難度那我相信現在這個困難應該克服了\n445387\t456315\t克服不少 克服不少嘛繼續努力啦 趕快克服啦因為我剛剛態度表明的很清楚這個法案在繼續向前走的過程當中\n457830\t484872\t我們不會等我們不會等早一點進來有行政部門的聲音絕對是好事至於說法條裡面具體的各個設計包括了大家其實最關心的是因為經濟部的代表今天關心的事情是有很多小吃店有很多商家頭很痛被抽成抽很多我煮一個便當我賣一個牛腩堡100塊\n488071\t499485\t結果裡面如果有三四十塊被平台業者抽走那接下來他們要怎麼活第二個事情是從外送員的角度也是一樣送了以後我們外送員薪資的計算\n501616\t529717\t高度不透明那也是導致我們年輕朋友常常出來抗議的理由我相信這些聲音你們在過去研議的過程當中都聽到那針對這些相關具體法案實際上面設計的內容終於有機會可以真槍實彈的開始進行討論了我希望接下來在這個法案在這個委員會推進的過程當中能夠一切順利\n530878\t552867\t主席站起來了我下面的PPT我會另外再用時間找其他的時間部長有機會來委員會的時候我再進一步請教我跟簡單回應委員我們自己覺得外送人的這個專法是很可以朝野合作來把它共同完成那也會對外送人的權益會跨出蠻大的一步我們很樂意用這個態度來積極的來參與好很好謝謝\n559431\t559917\t謝謝黃國昌委員發言\n","txt":"謝謝昭偉 那個首先啦在開始邀請列席的行政官員上來備詢以前我有個會議詢問想要先詢問一下昭偉第一個事情是 我先代表\n台灣民眾黨立法院黨團感謝召委今天排審這個外送員權益專法因為過去太長的時間當中我們看到每天在馬路上吹風淋雨的這些年輕人他們的心聲但我們一直在等我們一直在等等到要拖到什麼時候我們才能夠處理啊\n這個專法我相信韋翔也記得我們在一起在台中大街小巷的時候不管是庭委不管是韋翔我們在馬路上看到那麼多年輕人跟我們揮手我們答應他們我們說到的事情我們會做到所以我先感謝廖昭偉今天終於讓這個法案有開始生立的機會\n但我看了今天的整個議程 我覺得很困惑因為今天排審的有委員侯孟凱21人拟據有台灣民眾黨黨團拟據有委員羅廷維拟據有委員王一鳴拟據有委員王洪威拟據有委員楊瓊英拟據 總共排了6萬\n我看了半天以後 趙偉你們是不是作業有疏忽啊民進黨立法院黨團昨天不是大動作說他們提出了最好的版本你怎麼沒有把這個最好的版本一起今天排審現在這個到底是怎麼回事因為我們在野黨不要讓公民誤會說民進黨立法院黨團在沉睡了幾年以後昨天突然提出了最好的版本卻沒有把它排審上來\n回答黃國昌委員因為民進黨團的版本還沒有送到院會裡面來蛤 到現在都還沒有送來還沒有 對喔 好 那這樣子我了解了不是啦 這種事情一定要公開講清楚嘛要不然有很多外送員朋友大家會覺得很困惑嘛\n不要造成這樣子的困惑我覺得會比較好啦好謝謝謝謝召委來現在有請勞動部部長洪森漢交通部次長陳彥博數位發展部次長葉寧那以及經濟部只有經濟部有人來嗎\n現在經濟部有人在嗎經濟部是商業發展署的副署長是是是請也跟那個黃委員說一下剛剛這個速發部的次長他說他有會議所以現在在現場的是副署長黃亞平OK好沒有關係黃委員好那個再請我們洪部長以前我先請問一下其他主管機關因為剛剛所有人都關心\n行政院有沒有版本什麼時候要送到立法院來剛剛洪部長在回答其他委員備詢的時候其實也講得很清楚這件事情有部裡面可以努力的地方他要送到行政院\n行政院什麼時候會出來其實也不知道因為我在司法法治委員會這種狀況我遇過很多法務部部長常常跟我講他很無奈說法務部的版本早就送到行政院了但行政院很忙忙得不得了通常一個部的版本送到行政院裡面睡個一年兩年沒有什麼下文在目前的狀態下面其實已經成為常態\n那個例子不生沒舉但是我們對於外送員權益的保障我們對於這些年輕人的承諾是絕對不可能去考慮說勞動部的版本什麼時候要送出來送出來以後到行政院裡面又要睡多久但為了加速接下來可能時間的進行能夠加速一點各個部會是不是贊成很重要\n要不然勞動部為了勞工的權益在前面衝後面其他的部會在扯後腿這樣不好啊 所以來 先從現在 因為行政院院會有指定有關外送平台專責的機關是交通部嘛簡要回答 第一個針對訂定這個外送員權益的專法交通部贊不贊成我們交通部支持支持嘛 來 第二個 經濟部\n經濟部支不支持 支持嘛 喔 好速發部支不支持 速發部也支持那顯然就不是其他部會扯後腿的問題嘛其他部會都支持啊 後尾你有沒有聽到\n有嘛其他部會都支持嘛大家都支持啊 非常好那剛剛部長說啊說勞動部這邊大概還要三個月的時間來作業嘛三個月內 非常好那三個月內我希望內快一點啦因為\n我基本上從台灣民眾黨黨團的立場我會強力的要求中國國民黨黨團只要我對你們有不敬強力的要求中國國民黨黨團這個法案要往前推年底以前完成三讀這是我們的政治目標我們一起努力\n不管勞動部要多久 行政院要多久現在有個關鍵的問題是說你們在訂所謂的勞動部版本或行政院版本的過程當中相關的公會代表可不可以邀請來參與\n定版本就在炒你版本的過程當中聽取大家的意見的時候相關工會的代表可不可以來當然啊當然可以嘛因為我是今天來的時候就是有工會的代表來跟我反映他說民進黨好像這一兩天可能是在黨的平台不關行政院的事啦找了很多工會說要去討論那個版本的內容\n那民進黨願意這樣子做但是他就覺得說但是他沒有受邀啦但是他希望在政府的平台上因為政府平台上就不應該有黨派之別嘛所以呢在勞動部或是行政院的平台上面要這些相關的工會代表來參與的時候不會因為不同的工會有大小眼啊為什麼會大小眼不會 當然不會 絕對不會嘛當然不會 非常好其實他要的只有這個答案 非常好\n那我們接下來來看 台灣民眾黨黨團其實我們從上一屆國會的時候在相臨委員他就早就提出來了但那個時候沒有辦法那個時候勞動部沒有要推因為勞動部說什麼勞動部說訂專法有一定的難度那我相信現在這個困難應該克服了\n克服不少 克服不少嘛繼續努力啦 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