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00:00:29,044\n主委好我們國科會是負責國家科技戰略的規劃那業務先設到了跨部會的協作那也有我們科研如何來跟產業協作所以面向可以說相當的廣\n\n3\n00:00:30,265 --> 00:00:40,610\n今天在業務報告當中有很多是我們很肯定的計劃希望可以持續那我今天就幾個我比較關注的個案來跟主委討論首先是師大女足案跟我們學術倫理的改革在這個案件當然是國人非常重視關心的是怎麼樣校園裡面會出現這樣可以說是人倫的悲劇\n\n4\n00:00:55,518 --> 00:01:15,075\n但是他後來大家就知道說那也是我們的學術計畫研究之一也包括我們國科會的計畫所以主委當時在這個個案上面馬上就做出了處置了我們就這個個案後來做了哪些的追究的處置\n\n5\n00:01:16,645 --> 00:01:40,351\n首先我們對當事的教授包含女主的教練跟她的老師我們已經在記者會有宣布對他們的處罰分別停權五年四年另外我們也對這個還有追回她的研究補助的經費\n\n6\n00:01:41,571 --> 00:01:58,601\n那另外我們對學校因為初期管理不當沒有積極的在處理這件事情對學校也有連帶的處分這個我們都在媒體都宣布了終止補助也追繳台師大補助經費246萬中央大學80萬\n\n7\n00:02:02,503 --> 00:02:08,726\n那麼這一案呢就不只是學術倫理其實因為他也是失對生的霸凌相當的嚴重所以當時國科會有提到說要針對我們國科會的研究計畫當中涉及人體研究的計畫要做一個全面的清查這個有沒有清查的結果了\n\n8\n00:02:19,691 --> 00:02:39,923\n這個我們已經有清查,然後已經尋這個程序在教育部、衛福部我們共同的平台上面現在已經在處理當中,要分別由教育部跟衛福部發函給這些學校\n\n9\n00:02:41,021 --> 00:02:59,806\n那學校學校要啟動然後要回報到到我們主責的部會包含衛福部教育部那那對國科來講收到這個報告以後我們會就這個學術倫理的部分再來再來決定是不是要有一些處置\n\n10\n00:03:00,866 --> 00:03:10,621\n所以全面清查的部分已經在進行還在進行當中我們已經清查完了所以我們目前在等待學校回報嗎對那我們預計什麼時候\n\n11\n00:03:12,606 --> 00:03:40,676\n這個deadline是什麼時候什麼時候會收到所有的回報然後我們這裡國科會有辦法做出最終有關學輪的審議是跟委員報告這總共有97件的這個就是說要重新去檢視的案件那都陸陸續續已經回報那我們目前會跟教育部這邊你們要求學校什麼時候之前要回報完成總是有個時間吧有他已經回報回來了全部都回報還是陸陸續續回報\n\n12\n00:03:42,576 --> 00:03:56,621\n97件都已經回報給你們所以現在在等你們囉他是回報給教育部因為主責教育部還沒給你們教育部他已經聯絡我們剛好在這個禮拜這個禮拜教育部聯絡你們了所以現在在等國科會做最終學輪的審議是嗎\n\n13\n00:03:58,021 --> 00:04:26,787\n不是因為主責的單位是教育部所以教育部會聯合國科會這邊召開會議然後邀請相關的學者針對那97案教育部跟國科會一起來做對就是說主責雖然是教育部但他也會找我們那目前有沒有拼桌什麼時間正在約下禮拜或下下禮拜會邀集相關的專家針對這97案的結果去做一個最終的審議看起來應該是10月底啦會有最終的審議或11月初\n\n14\n00:04:28,007 --> 00:04:50,998\n對報告委員這裡面的審議是從裡頭去篩選出說比較重大就是說需要再進入真正人體研究的法規的懲處的我們就會進行敘述所以目前就各個學校所調查的結果我們要去做一個比較詳細的我了解因為涉及的學校多也有跨部會之間的合作\n\n15\n00:04:51,718 --> 00:05:10,614\n所以這個案件過去這一年多來這個過程我知道主委你從初期就開始關切但是國人也在想怎麼會處理的時間需要那麼久呢所以我想後續的處置還是非常重要的這個部分要請主委再來幫忙跟跨部會大家一起來把這個時間\n\n16\n00:05:12,375 --> 00:05:31,578\n要把它抓緊我希望今年底以前我們可以知道一個你們最終審查的結果這究竟是不是個案如果是有個案以外其他的案例的話那當然我們的改革要趕快開始啟動所以國科會除了個案之外作為針對後續的改革主委在9月提出4點\n\n17\n00:05:32,799 --> 00:05:56,998\n那第一個是我們的研究人員學術倫理守則的新訂已經完成了這個肯定你們那關於我們多年期計畫就是每一年你要再來經過研究倫理的審查以及你的國科會學術倫理案件審議要點要來修改這兩個這兩個項目我們有沒有都完成了也已經完成了好那\n\n18\n00:05:58,956 --> 00:06:10,697\n要請你們再把資料公開或者提供因為我們關心的時候還沒有收到這個後續的這個改革很重要所以請主委要來關切\n\n19\n00:06:12,796 --> 00:06:36,948\n主委在這個案件的檢討當中除了這個改革你也提到說希望未來我們的研究計畫學界整體的環境不要只偏重投稿的幾篇論文而是要去注重它實際的貢獻當時主委提到說因為我們不要鼓勵老師單純為了衡量去量產論文就是充點數充偏數主委你認為我們這個後續應該怎麼來做\n\n20\n00:06:42,748 --> 00:06:53,827\n我們已經在各處我們各學術處在這個學問召集人會議我們也都宣導過了那相關的這個表格包含計畫申請表格以及在成果\n\n21\n00:06:54,793 --> 00:07:23,829\n他要结案的时候他要申报他的计划执行的成果在成果的表现上面我们也都把规范都改了希望能够注重的是他对产业对社会对学术的贡献不是只是在计算论文的偏速这个事情这些机制我们都已经做好了已经开始在执行了同时我们将来也在试探场会对各大学\n\n22\n00:07:24,649 --> 00:07:50,084\n會來宣導這個事這個我想對學界整體來說其實是一個非常重大的變革那麼這個問題其實也討論多年就像我在當我也做過國科研究計畫助理我也做過中研院的研究助理這個研究人員必須要為了你們這個量產這個衡量的標準他去每年一定要幾篇一定要登上哪一個期刊一定要怎麼樣這個整個\n\n23\n00:07:52,765 --> 00:08:13,027\n回過頭來也影響到整個學術生產的過程所以我認為你們最後這個衡量標準的變革是非常重要的那也很期待它對學界它有一個長遠的良善的影響那看到中研院在今年2月開始也新增了一個叫做敘述性的履歷\n\n24\n00:08:14,608 --> 00:08:28,988\n那一樣的意思就是說不只看量要看其他方面的貢獻所以也希望說在我們現在在改革當中嘛未來跟學界也要持續的多聽意見來多溝通我們希望整體的學術環境可以來提升那麼\n\n25\n00:08:31,371 --> 00:08:57,549\n除了學術研究之外國科會也有計畫是災防防災不管是科技上面的經濟也好這個我們10月8號福衛8號就起撥令已經起運到美國了現在預計是11月要來升空在我們目前台灣的防災當中像這一次花蓮馬太安我們的福衛5號是不是也事先就有收集到相關的意向來提供是\n\n26\n00:08:58,790 --> 00:09:25,934\n我們災防中心在收集各部位的資料也包含我們國科會自己的資料那我們太空中心的現在在服役的服衛五號也發揮了蠻大的這個功效所以這個資料我們也同步整合到災防中心做這個研判是那服衛八號因為它是未來是一個新系嘛不只是一顆未來會怎麼樣來協助提升我們的災防呢\n\n27\n00:09:26,775 --> 00:09:41,580\n福岳八号相较于福岳五号它解析度更精细了可以看得更精准它在明年的春季就会开始提供这个服务跟福岳五号合起来\n\n28\n00:09:42,040 --> 00:09:58,109\n我們等於多了一顆衛星了那將來這個能夠觀察的時間更長就是更多次的這個經過台灣的上空我們可以觀察到所以會做得更精準所以明年春季就可以開始來提供那非常期待\n\n29\n00:09:58,669 --> 00:10:13,283\n那我們預計一定是希望要順利那我們也看到這個太空中心是不是有預計跟日本的太空公司iSpace有簽訂一個合約我們要來推動台灣首個國家級月球探勘任務嗎\n\n30\n00:10:15,075 --> 00:10:36,613\n這個我請吳主任來好謝謝這是一個open的tent就是公開招標然後我們有兩個籌宅一個是清大一個是我突然忘記哪個學校大概是2028會送上去NULA他上去以後就land在那邊做一個是光學UV量測一個是另外一個量測所以是跟他們有合作對\n\n31\n00:10:37,313 --> 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我請國科會吳主委請吳主委\n15706\t29044\t主委好我們國科會是負責國家科技戰略的規劃那業務先設到了跨部會的協作那也有我們科研如何來跟產業協作所以面向可以說相當的廣\n30265\t40610\t今天在業務報告當中有很多是我們很肯定的計劃希望可以持續那我今天就幾個我比較關注的個案來跟主委討論首先是師大女足案跟我們學術倫理的改革在這個案件當然是國人非常重視關心的是怎麼樣校園裡面會出現這樣可以說是人倫的悲劇\n55518\t75075\t但是他後來大家就知道說那也是我們的學術計畫研究之一也包括我們國科會的計畫所以主委當時在這個個案上面馬上就做出了處置了我們就這個個案後來做了哪些的追究的處置\n76645\t100351\t首先我們對當事的教授包含女主的教練跟她的老師我們已經在記者會有宣布對他們的處罰分別停權五年四年另外我們也對這個還有追回她的研究補助的經費\n101571\t118601\t那另外我們對學校因為初期管理不當沒有積極的在處理這件事情對學校也有連帶的處分這個我們都在媒體都宣布了終止補助也追繳台師大補助經費246萬中央大學80萬\n122503\t128726\t那麼這一案呢就不只是學術倫理其實因為他也是失對生的霸凌相當的嚴重所以當時國科會有提到說要針對我們國科會的研究計畫當中涉及人體研究的計畫要做一個全面的清查這個有沒有清查的結果了\n139691\t159923\t這個我們已經有清查,然後已經尋這個程序在教育部、衛福部我們共同的平台上面現在已經在處理當中,要分別由教育部跟衛福部發函給這些學校\n161021\t179806\t那學校學校要啟動然後要回報到到我們主責的部會包含衛福部教育部那那對國科來講收到這個報告以後我們會就這個學術倫理的部分再來再來決定是不是要有一些處置\n180866\t190621\t所以全面清查的部分已經在進行還在進行當中我們已經清查完了所以我們目前在等待學校回報嗎對那我們預計什麼時候\n192606\t220676\t這個deadline是什麼時候什麼時候會收到所有的回報然後我們這裡國科會有辦法做出最終有關學輪的審議是 跟委員報告這總共有97件的這個就是說要重新去檢視的案件那都陸陸續續已經回報那我們目前會跟教育部這邊你們要求學校什麼時候之前要回報完成總是有個時間吧有 他已經回報回來了全部都回報還是陸陸續續回報\n222576\t236621\t97件都已經回報給你們所以現在在等你們囉他是回報給教育部因為主責教育部還沒給你們教育部他已經聯絡我們剛好在這個禮拜這個禮拜教育部聯絡你們了所以現在在等國科會做最終學輪的審議是嗎\n238021\t266787\t不是 因為主責的單位是教育部所以教育部會聯合國科會這邊召開會議然後邀請相關的學者針對那97案教育部跟國科會一起來做對 就是說主責雖然是教育部但他也會找我們那目前有沒有拼桌什麼時間正在約下禮拜或下下禮拜會邀集相關的專家針對這97案的結果去做一個最終的審議看起來應該是10月底啦會有最終的審議或11月初\n268007\t290998\t對 報告委員 這裡面的審議是從裡頭去篩選出說比較重大 就是說需要再進入真正人體研究的法規的懲處的我們就會進行敘述所以目前就各個學校所調查的結果我們要去做一個比較詳細的我了解 因為涉及的學校多 也有跨部會之間的合作\n291718\t310614\t所以這個案件過去這一年多來這個過程我知道主委你從初期就開始關切但是國人也在想怎麼會處理的時間需要那麼久呢所以我想後續的處置還是非常重要的這個部分要請主委再來幫忙跟跨部會大家一起來把這個時間\n312375\t331578\t要把它抓緊我希望今年底以前我們可以知道一個你們最終審查的結果這究竟是不是個案如果是有個案以外其他的案例的話那當然我們的改革要趕快開始啟動所以國科會除了個案之外作為針對後續的改革主委在9月提出4點\n332799\t356998\t那第一個是我們的研究人員學術倫理守則的新訂已經完成了這個肯定你們那關於我們多年期計畫就是每一年你要再來經過研究倫理的審查以及你的國科會學術倫理案件審議要點要來修改這兩個這兩個項目我們有沒有都完成了也已經完成了好那\n358956\t370697\t要請你們再把資料公開或者提供因為我們關心的時候還沒有收到這個後續的這個改革很重要所以請主委要來關切\n372796\t396948\t主委在這個案件的檢討當中除了這個改革你也提到說希望未來我們的研究計畫學界整體的環境不要只偏重投稿的幾篇論文而是要去注重它實際的貢獻當時主委提到說因為我們不要鼓勵老師單純為了衡量去量產論文就是充點數充偏數主委你認為我們這個後續應該怎麼來做\n402748\t413827\t我們已經在各處我們各學術處在這個學問召集人會議我們也都宣導過了那相關的這個表格包含計畫申請表格以及在成果\n414793\t443829\t他要结案的时候他要申报他的计划执行的成果在成果的表现上面我们也都把规范都改了希望能够注重的是他对产业对社会对学术的贡献不是只是在计算论文的偏速这个事情这些机制我们都已经做好了已经开始在执行了同时我们将来也在试探场会对各大学\n444649\t470084\t會來宣導這個事這個我想對學界整體來說其實是一個非常重大的變革那麼這個問題其實也討論多年就像我在當我也做過國科研究計畫助理我也做過中研院的研究助理這個研究人員必須要為了你們這個量產這個衡量的標準他去每年一定要幾篇一定要登上哪一個期刊一定要怎麼樣這個整個\n472765\t493027\t回過頭來也影響到整個學術生產的過程所以我認為你們最後這個衡量標準的變革是非常重要的那也很期待它對學界它有一個長遠的良善的影響那看到中研院在今年2月開始也新增了一個叫做敘述性的履歷\n494608\t508988\t那一樣的意思就是說不只看量要看其他方面的貢獻所以也希望說在我們現在在改革當中嘛未來跟學界也要持續的多聽意見來多溝通我們希望整體的學術環境可以來提升那麼\n511371\t537549\t除了學術研究之外國科會也有計畫是災防 防災不管是科技上面的經濟也好這個我們10月8號福衛8號就起撥令已經起運到美國了現在預計是11月要來升空在我們目前台灣的防災當中像這一次花蓮 馬太安我們的福衛5號是不是也事先就有收集到相關的意向來提供是\n538790\t565934\t我們災防中心在收集各部位的資料也包含我們國科會自己的資料那我們太空中心的現在在服役的服衛五號也發揮了蠻大的這個功效所以這個資料我們也同步整合到災防中心做這個研判是 那服衛八號因為它是未來是一個新系嘛不只是一顆未來會怎麼樣來協助提升我們的災防呢\n566775\t581580\t福岳八号相较于福岳五号它解析度更精细了可以看得更精准它在明年的春季就会开始提供这个服务跟福岳五号合起来\n582040\t598109\t我們等於多了一顆衛星了那將來這個能夠觀察的時間更長就是更多次的這個經過台灣的上空我們可以觀察到所以會做得更精準所以明年春季就可以開始來提供那非常期待\n598669\t613283\t那我們預計一定是希望要順利那我們也看到這個太空中心是不是有預計跟日本的太空公司iSpace有簽訂一個合約我們要來推動台灣首個國家級月球探勘任務嗎\n615075\t636613\t這個我請吳主任來好 謝謝這是一個open的tent就是公開招標然後我們有兩個籌宅一個是清大一個是我突然忘記哪個學校大概是2028會送上去NULA他上去以後就land在那邊做一個是光學UV量測一個是另外一個量測所以是跟他們有合作 對\n637313\t644041\t台灣首次的登月任務預計在2028年我們非常期待也預祝要順利好 謝謝主委 謝謝謝謝佩儀委員質詢 主委請回座\n","txt":"謝謝主席 我請國科會吳主委請吳主委\n主委好我們國科會是負責國家科技戰略的規劃那業務先設到了跨部會的協作那也有我們科研如何來跟產業協作所以面向可以說相當的廣\n今天在業務報告當中有很多是我們很肯定的計劃希望可以持續那我今天就幾個我比較關注的個案來跟主委討論首先是師大女足案跟我們學術倫理的改革在這個案件當然是國人非常重視關心的是怎麼樣校園裡面會出現這樣可以說是人倫的悲劇\n但是他後來大家就知道說那也是我們的學術計畫研究之一也包括我們國科會的計畫所以主委當時在這個個案上面馬上就做出了處置了我們就這個個案後來做了哪些的追究的處置\n首先我們對當事的教授包含女主的教練跟她的老師我們已經在記者會有宣布對他們的處罰分別停權五年四年另外我們也對這個還有追回她的研究補助的經費\n那另外我們對學校因為初期管理不當沒有積極的在處理這件事情對學校也有連帶的處分這個我們都在媒體都宣布了終止補助也追繳台師大補助經費246萬中央大學80萬\n那麼這一案呢就不只是學術倫理其實因為他也是失對生的霸凌相當的嚴重所以當時國科會有提到說要針對我們國科會的研究計畫當中涉及人體研究的計畫要做一個全面的清查這個有沒有清查的結果了\n這個我們已經有清查,然後已經尋這個程序在教育部、衛福部我們共同的平台上面現在已經在處理當中,要分別由教育部跟衛福部發函給這些學校\n那學校學校要啟動然後要回報到到我們主責的部會包含衛福部教育部那那對國科來講收到這個報告以後我們會就這個學術倫理的部分再來再來決定是不是要有一些處置\n所以全面清查的部分已經在進行還在進行當中我們已經清查完了所以我們目前在等待學校回報嗎對那我們預計什麼時候\n這個deadline是什麼時候什麼時候會收到所有的回報然後我們這裡國科會有辦法做出最終有關學輪的審議是 跟委員報告這總共有97件的這個就是說要重新去檢視的案件那都陸陸續續已經回報那我們目前會跟教育部這邊你們要求學校什麼時候之前要回報完成總是有個時間吧有 他已經回報回來了全部都回報還是陸陸續續回報\n97件都已經回報給你們所以現在在等你們囉他是回報給教育部因為主責教育部還沒給你們教育部他已經聯絡我們剛好在這個禮拜這個禮拜教育部聯絡你們了所以現在在等國科會做最終學輪的審議是嗎\n不是 因為主責的單位是教育部所以教育部會聯合國科會這邊召開會議然後邀請相關的學者針對那97案教育部跟國科會一起來做對 就是說主責雖然是教育部但他也會找我們那目前有沒有拼桌什麼時間正在約下禮拜或下下禮拜會邀集相關的專家針對這97案的結果去做一個最終的審議看起來應該是10月底啦會有最終的審議或11月初\n對 報告委員 這裡面的審議是從裡頭去篩選出說比較重大 就是說需要再進入真正人體研究的法規的懲處的我們就會進行敘述所以目前就各個學校所調查的結果我們要去做一個比較詳細的我了解 因為涉及的學校多 也有跨部會之間的合作\n所以這個案件過去這一年多來這個過程我知道主委你從初期就開始關切但是國人也在想怎麼會處理的時間需要那麼久呢所以我想後續的處置還是非常重要的這個部分要請主委再來幫忙跟跨部會大家一起來把這個時間\n要把它抓緊我希望今年底以前我們可以知道一個你們最終審查的結果這究竟是不是個案如果是有個案以外其他的案例的話那當然我們的改革要趕快開始啟動所以國科會除了個案之外作為針對後續的改革主委在9月提出4點\n那第一個是我們的研究人員學術倫理守則的新訂已經完成了這個肯定你們那關於我們多年期計畫就是每一年你要再來經過研究倫理的審查以及你的國科會學術倫理案件審議要點要來修改這兩個這兩個項目我們有沒有都完成了也已經完成了好那\n要請你們再把資料公開或者提供因為我們關心的時候還沒有收到這個後續的這個改革很重要所以請主委要來關切\n主委在這個案件的檢討當中除了這個改革你也提到說希望未來我們的研究計畫學界整體的環境不要只偏重投稿的幾篇論文而是要去注重它實際的貢獻當時主委提到說因為我們不要鼓勵老師單純為了衡量去量產論文就是充點數充偏數主委你認為我們這個後續應該怎麼來做\n我們已經在各處我們各學術處在這個學問召集人會議我們也都宣導過了那相關的這個表格包含計畫申請表格以及在成果\n他要结案的时候他要申报他的计划执行的成果在成果的表现上面我们也都把规范都改了希望能够注重的是他对产业对社会对学术的贡献不是只是在计算论文的偏速这个事情这些机制我们都已经做好了已经开始在执行了同时我们将来也在试探场会对各大学\n會來宣導這個事這個我想對學界整體來說其實是一個非常重大的變革那麼這個問題其實也討論多年就像我在當我也做過國科研究計畫助理我也做過中研院的研究助理這個研究人員必須要為了你們這個量產這個衡量的標準他去每年一定要幾篇一定要登上哪一個期刊一定要怎麼樣這個整個\n回過頭來也影響到整個學術生產的過程所以我認為你們最後這個衡量標準的變革是非常重要的那也很期待它對學界它有一個長遠的良善的影響那看到中研院在今年2月開始也新增了一個叫做敘述性的履歷\n那一樣的意思就是說不只看量要看其他方面的貢獻所以也希望說在我們現在在改革當中嘛未來跟學界也要持續的多聽意見來多溝通我們希望整體的學術環境可以來提升那麼\n除了學術研究之外國科會也有計畫是災防 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