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00:00:34,666\n謝謝主席有請我們經濟部長水利署林署長還有台電曾董事長曾董事長薛委員好部長好部長我想賴總統前天在一個小水利論壇有提到2030年中央要投入9000億元帶動民間的投資4兆元推動再生能源跟綠色基礎建設部長知道這個事情嗎\n\n2\n00:00:35,758 --> 00:00:43,052\n我有看到書面部長我想部長你在擔任秘書長任內知道屏東有一個很重要的案子大潮州人工湖\n\n3\n00:00:43,735 --> 00:01:10,638\n那这个案子去年底被国会退回到经济部修正到目前为止一年的好像还没有送出经济部那问题出在哪里报告委员这个案件在去年六月送行政院那在年底的时候有请那个县政府要来做相关的环境影响的一个差异分析以后然后院在这边再来受理这个案件其实我们针对这个案件我们认为是有效益的\n\n4\n00:01:11,198 --> 00:01:37,534\n所以有請縣政府要共同合作我們很樂觀其成對我想這個大潮州人工湖是全台唯一也是東南亞最大的一個人工補助湖它效果很好對它具有洪水的一個減災的效果還有可以涵養地下水最重要也是我們未來這個水資源很重要的一個供應的一個系統那鄭董事長你最近有去看過嗎大潮州人工湖我去過兩次\n\n5\n00:01:39,062 --> 00:02:04,839\n對於這個水利發電有沒有空間可以發展這個水利發電的案子這個應該是做微水利就是說它基本上是一個有水量但是沒有水頭的水利設施所以我們大概只能做微水利微水利那其實有很多學者專家給我們建議那比方說那個丁董事長丁測試董事長我想委員應該也熟那我們如果可以做我們來做主要是水權的主管機關跟台電來合作會比較方便\n\n6\n00:02:05,405 --> 00:02:28,536\n我想這個都是我們可以多面向來評估尤其我們現在水跟電都是我們很重要的一個資源來源聽起來評估說比竹子門的效益還更大應該要這樣講就是說現在我們有很多就是有水量有水量流動的地方如果有一些適當的微水力設施它確實是有發電的潛力\n\n7\n00:02:30,094 --> 00:02:44,854\n在這邊我還是要特別再拜託部長這個案子我們要加快推動這個我們從好幾任的縣長一直講到現在那尤其我們第一期這個發揮了很大的效益我們期待第二期繼續來努力我聽這個案子能不能加快進行\n\n8\n00:02:46,837 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我想部長你在擔任秘書長任內知道屏東有一個很重要的案子大潮州人工湖\n那这个案子去年底被国会退回到经济部修正到目前为止一年的好像还没有送出经济部那问题出在哪里报告委员这个案件在去年六月送行政院那在年底的时候有请那个县政府要来做相关的环境影响的一个差异分析以后然后院在这边再来受理这个案件其实我们针对这个案件我们认为是有效益的\n所以有請縣政府要共同合作我們很樂觀其成對 我想這個大潮州人工湖是全台唯一也是東南亞最大的一個人工補助湖它效果很好對 它具有洪水的一個減災的效果還有可以涵養地下水最重要也是我們未來這個水資源很重要的一個供應的一個系統那鄭董事長你最近有去看過嗎大潮州人工湖我去過兩次\n對於這個水利發電有沒有空間可以發展這個水利發電的案子這個應該是做微水利就是說它基本上是一個有水量但是沒有水頭的水利設施所以我們大概只能做微水利微水利那其實有很多學者專家給我們建議那比方說那個丁董事長丁測試董事長我想委員應該也熟那我們如果可以做我們來做主要是水權的主管機關跟台電來合作會比較方便\n我想這個都是我們可以多面向來評估尤其我們現在水跟電都是我們很重要的一個資源來源聽起來評估說比竹子門的效益還更大應該要這樣講就是說現在我們有很多就是有水量有水量流動的地方如果有一些適當的微水力設施它確實是有發電的潛力\n在這邊我還是要特別再拜託部長這個案子我們要加快推動這個我們從好幾任的縣長一直講到現在那尤其我們第一期這個發揮了很大的效益我們期待第二期繼續來努力我聽這個案子能不能加快進行\n主要是開發這個人工湖才要做環評所以我們會來跟縣長一起努力好 那我想我們還是要幫屏東的鄉親請命一下 部長我們的這個自然水普及率到目前只有72%遠低於全國的平均值那周縣長也上次在這個我們小琉球的時候也感謝李董事長這個小琉球的這個5000噸的\n配水站做好之後我想小琉球不會有缺水的問題但是我們還是要提醒全線的部分這個普及率能不能再加快速度一下董事長謝謝委員指導那整個屏東縣的供水普及率的部分我們屏東七處這邊還有我們配合水利署會積極來爭取無災水地區的一個改善計畫\n那會加速一些沿管的工程 那自己整個平溶線裡面的一些強化供水韌性的部分 包括我們管線更新或是說有些水壓比較低的地區我們可能會來 尋覓合適的地點來興建一些配水設施 配水池或是增加一些加壓設備 讓整個\n屏東區域的供水可以更穩定的對 董事長這個水源的部分要優先先找啦因為你們如果水源沒有先找到這邊要增加普及率也是一個大問題啦是 這我想應該同步要去進行找這個水源的部分對 我們現在屏東縣主要的供水水源是牡丹水庫還有一些林邊湖流水跟一些地下水\n那如果有地下水可以開發的話如果水質OK的話我們會積取未來也可以請台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台台\n我想部長最近監察院有特別提到太陽光電他們有一個報告對太陽光電生設的一個過程存在行政程序不透明審查標準不一還有地方勢力介入的一個問題甚至有很多的外資因為這樣的壓力退出了台灣市場部長針對這個部分我們經濟部對未來的能源政策有什麼看法\n是 我請那個署長我們已經針對那幾項事實上已經有一些因應的做法我是不是請署長簡要的跟委員做報告是 有關就是說太陽光電有些弊案我們目前已經跟廉政署成立一個廉政平台那也邀請法務部跟高檢署一起來參加那至於地方所涉及的各個部門因為它有專業的執掌\n那所以在面對不同的申請的狀況的時候他會面對不同的這個條件那我們為了協和目前我們是固定對光電比較多的台南嘉義高雄屏東這四個縣市我們是隔週每週就會找兩個縣市來就一定的申請案件來做討論來協助他們加速完成\n當然部長我們支持這個有不法一定要嚴辦但是針對合法申請的業者也應該要給予保障那尤其有些案子都已經申請很久了這個這個月托未來我們對於我們台灣的能源我們也擔心不夠這個真的是要審慎來面對這樣的一個問題好不好部長謝謝好謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:07.905 --> 00:34.666\n謝謝主席有請我們經濟部長水利署林署長還有台電曾董事長曾董事長薛委員好部長好部長我想賴總統前天在一個小水利論壇有提到2030年中央要投入9000億元帶動民間的投資4兆元推動再生能源跟綠色基礎建設部長知道這個事情嗎\n\n00:35.758 --> 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