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00:03:00,242\n好那我再請教一下那這個那部長先請為好了我請教一下這個交通部次長你們在去年的11月有預告修正汽車運輸業管理規則要把機車外送運駕公司納入法制那這個也一年的時間了那這個現在的管理規則現在的進度是怎麼樣\n\n9\n00:03:01,170 --> 00:03:26,818\n對我想跟委員報告一下有關這樣的一個法規就是要修改汽車運輸業管理規則跟運價準則那這一部分呢大概是以我們公路局在跟相關的對呀我說因為一年的時間了然後消費者因為大家很關心所以提出各種不同的意見那我們現在大概收納了差不多了原則上我們會在11月來預告相關的一個草案\n\n10\n00:03:27,438 --> 00:03:50,314\n因為這個也關係到說我們整個外送平台的這個法嘛因為你們是負責就是說他的那一個運價運價的部分運價轉化成運費那這個也是以後外送員的收入的一部分對啊那所以現在那個外送員的收入他是除了這一個你們所訂出來的這一個運價之外那他的其他收入勒\n\n11\n00:03:51,451 --> 00:04:11,964\n其他的收入大概以後就是專法的勞動權益裡頭看他是怎麼樣去規範然後怎麼樣去律定那我先請教部長不好意思那所以呢現在這個外送員他的收入就是會有一個運價的一個收入然後一個是他的這個勞動的酬勞的收入嘛\n\n12\n00:04:13,374 --> 00:04:41,853\n跟委員說明因為外送員的收入會涉及到運價運價的部分會是交通部用公路法來訂定我們這邊會來訂定的會是真的外送員的報酬運價跟報酬理當其實他應該有所連動交通部這邊訂的是運價的上限這個上限他的目的應該是要去處理跟消費者之間不要對消費者收取太過多的運價\n\n13\n00:04:43,334 --> 00:04:53,130\n那勞動部這邊我們認為概念上面我們來訂定是對外送員報酬的下限報酬下限是對他的收入有一些基本的保障用這個方式來去\n\n14\n00:04:54,341 --> 00:05:20,134\n去設計這個對於不管是對消費者或對外送員權利的保護所以現在外送員他的收入基本上會包含運價這方面然後也有包含這個他的勞動酬勞的這方面都有關係這兩個基本上就是他未來他的這一個收入的組成嘛是不是重要的組成應該就是這樣子對不對好那所以這個\n\n15\n00:05:22,095 --> 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那部長先請為好了我請教一下這個交通部次長你們在去年的11月有預告修正汽車運輸業管理規則要把機車外送運駕公司納入法制那這個也一年的時間了那這個現在的管理規則現在的進度是怎麼樣\n181170\t206818\t對 我想跟委員報告一下有關這樣的一個法規就是要修改汽車運輸業管理規則跟運價準則那這一部分呢大概是以我們公路局在跟相關的對呀 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那我再請教一下那這個 那部長先請為好了我請教一下這個交通部次長你們在去年的11月有預告修正汽車運輸業管理規則要把機車外送運駕公司納入法制那這個也一年的時間了那這個現在的管理規則現在的進度是怎麼樣\n對 我想跟委員報告一下有關這樣的一個法規就是要修改汽車運輸業管理規則跟運價準則那這一部分呢大概是以我們公路局在跟相關的對呀 我說因為一年的時間了然後消費者因為大家很關心所以提出各種不同的意見那我們現在大概收納了差不多了原則上我們會在11月來預告相關的一個草案\n因為這個也關係到說我們整個外送平台的這個法嘛因為你們是負責就是說他的那一個運價運價的部分運價轉化成運費那這個也是以後外送員的收入的一部分對啊那所以現在那個外送員的收入他是除了這一個你們所訂出來的這一個運價之外那他的其他收入勒\n其他的收入大概以後就是專法的勞動權益裡頭看他是怎麼樣去規範然後怎麼樣去律定那我先請教部長不好意思那所以呢現在這個外送員他的收入就是會有一個運價的一個收入然後一個是他的這個勞動的酬勞的收入嘛\n跟委員說明因為外送員的收入會涉及到運價運價的部分會是交通部用公路法來訂定我們這邊會來訂定的會是真的外送員的報酬運價跟報酬理當其實他應該有所連動交通部這邊訂的是運價的上限這個上限他的目的應該是要去處理跟消費者之間不要對消費者收取太過多的運價\n那勞動部這邊我們認為概念上面我們來訂定是對外送員報酬的下限報酬下限是對他的收入有一些基本的保障用這個方式來去\n去設計這個對於不管是對消費者或對外送員權利的保護所以現在外送員他的收入基本上會包含運價這方面然後也有包含這個他的勞動酬勞的這方面都有關係這兩個基本上就是他未來他的這一個收入的組成嘛是不是重要的組成應該就是這樣子對不對好那所以這個\n有關這個勞動那勞動報酬這部分要怎麼去做計算勒其實報酬是當然還是可以計算計算包括他的這個里程上限的時間等等等用這方式可能會去做一些簡單的計算這樣子那我們是希望他要高於最低工資基本上一定要高於最低工資啦不肯低於最低工資的是不是好那因為現在這個\n包含民進黨黨團也送出了這個草案我相信說大概這個會期大概也會繼續排審也希望說這個能夠一切順利因為畢竟也關係到將近15萬萬送員的權益還有包含店家還有消費者謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:03.309 --> 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