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沒有錯那第二個部分我想請教一下因為我們其實這幾年每一次去勘災其實我有一些心得我以高雄的那馬下區跟桃園區為例\n他們一個是男子仙溪一個是老農溪但是呢這個河川的這個界點讓我很頭痛啊為什麼因為以桃園來講他可能河川署的這個範圍比較長所以呢經常他們要求做戶案的時候比較容易取得經費可是呢我們來去看納瑪夏的時候他那個男子仙溪大部分都是水保署\n所以呢每一次做出的這種什麼護岸需求好像都找不到錢啊那我其實有去看了一下我們有一個什麼中央管籍跨省市河川之河川界點有這樣的一個會議那我看了一下其實看似好像每隔幾年都有在檢討但是我實際去看沒有做任何的調整是很難嗎\n還有現在的坑溝喔其實像溪餒現在的溪呢是河餒所以我覺得莫拉克之後其實我們的整個地形地貌河川都產生很大的改變我不太曉得說到底有沒有檢討的平台有沒有檢討的精緻\n包委員這個確實有些難度因為各單位都有他的本職要去做的工作但是我覺得委員所談的我們可以納入我們去年剛成立的水域流域的一個推動小組但是由行政院副院長承舉的很好有這個平台機制我們可以在那邊來做討論沒有問題\n我們真的希望討論一下因為我覺得至少他在經費上真的就完全不一樣心有餘力不足那我覺得這個都要全盤的來監討要不然每一個區域都很不公平對不對那不好意思主席再給我一分鐘\n那第三個我就想要了解一下關於水的問題因為我們經常在處理民眾想要設減水想要設所謂自來水但是這幾年整個風箱都變了啦就是我們原鄉地區開始都在掙扎要自來水\n這個跟我們過去不喜歡舊木更新現在都掙扎要排隊舊木更新可是政府的經費不知道是越來越多還是越來越少那以這個供水普及率鹽管加減水我知道屏東72跟人家都90幾差很多那沒有關係時間的關係我希望給我一個原因一個書面報告但是我也要問一個我比較關心的就是關於鹽管的部分因為我們全國跑啊你看這個濁西鄉\n21.56欸那我要講喔我也有很多案子 卓西鄉很多部落都跟我要喔\n但是我發現很難喔我不知道到底是縣政府的問題還是鄉公所的問題還是到底是中央的問題我不知道喔但是真的很難喔難怪它那麼低我們會來努力啦有些是因為地方他們已經有一個減水的管理委員會那他們可能有一些疑慮那這個我們會再來努力因為本來這就是我們應該來推動的我知道的有時候也不太是這樣啦\n我覺得其實我們這全國各縣市我們大概都看得出哪裡一樣哪裡不一樣我真的覺得有一些很麻煩的地方人家不需要附上的附件他需要這就很怪那我想這個部分反正就給我原因給我原因好不好就盤這一些很低的像萬榮鄉啊海端鄉都很低好謝謝那再來就是最後一個問題因為我很高興我進來立法院的時候我知道在我們的經濟部\n有一個技術師那很開心 那個時候他就有提供仁愛鄉做大合當歸那後來呢 霧台鄉呢也爭取到去幫助他們的經測石湖那後來 112年補助兩個 113年補助三個\n今年度補助四個其實我是要肯定因為我覺得我們原鄉有了這個那個技術師的經費導入真的這一些的產業發展很不一樣但是我想請教一下所有這幾個案子是哪一個單位在做工研院嘛我是要提醒啦其實我是故意問啦為什麼因為\n不要帶案子去找標的我發現這個效果很差我覺得應該是要來自地方的主動需求去協助理解我的意思嗎因為我都 很多我都知道那我就知道他們的效果不一樣\n我只是要做這個提醒可以嗎我們做地方創生也是壓抵原鄉他們的在地需求我希望是需求之後工研院來幫忙但是我不太希望是主動已經有一些技術一定是解決在地他們的需求為主好 謝謝部長 謝謝主席\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:10.496 --> 00:11.480\n謝謝主席有請部長\n\n00:20.411 --> 00:44.260\n部長好這一次的丹納斯及728的這個特別條例我們看到在經濟部這邊電力系統編列了110億元那其中呢有一個叫做小型防塞的微電網跟移動式電源那我也看到就是我上次總諮詢有說這個部分會\n\n00:46.241 --> 00:54.922\n提8億元的經費但是我比較想了解就是目前規劃要在哪些地方做怎麼做\n\n00:58.286 --> 01:16.713\n目前大概兩部分那經濟部的是我們會請地方政府來提他認為他最需要的受災的地方那另外是台電公司那麼他也已經優先選定一些地方我們大概兩方面我們能源署這8億跟台電公司會配合一起來做\n\n01:17.133 --> 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