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00:01:30,654\n就我们的理解或者说我们的谈判团队来讲而且包委员事实上跟我们组团的是USTR跟商务部但是跟美国组团好像是他们的财政部长所以好像也不太一样是不一样但是现在我们现在想问的是因为\n\n5\n00:01:31,354 --> 00:01:59,985\n大家你們是談判的代表我想對於台灣2300人來講都希望我們談判的代表能夠談出一個亮麗的成績這個是我們絕對不會期待或是說我們絕對不會唱衰說我希望談判不好我希望你談判好但是現在很明確的川普總統就已經有提到是說他月底見面的時候會拿台灣議題來談那台灣議題到底是包括政治議題包括主權議題還是包括經濟議題有沒有掌握\n\n6\n00:02:00,725 --> 00:02:23,981\n這個我就不知道也沒有辦法掌握那會不會擔心有包括經濟議題甚至如果說美中談完之後有對台灣有不利的一個條款譬如說台灣的產品排除或說技術或是關稅的部分那我們有沒有備案或是因應看起來就是沒有關係因為我們主要談的是你的期待還是你了解沒有關係\n\n7\n00:02:25,500 --> 00:02:52,690\n至少我知道的部分是没有什么关系是因为我们现在想问的是外交部像昨天我在总职学的时候你也在现场嘛所以你也有听到是说我请教院长说到底有没有掌握所谓的台湾议题到底是包含哪些时候外交部第一时间也没有办法告诉我们正确答案嘛是因为那一天好像一早的新闻出来嘛是昨天嘛对一早嘛所以说实在话我也第一次看到这样的新闻\n\n8\n00:02:53,523 --> 00:03:11,958\n所以在過去的談判過程裡面都是美台之間沒有涉及其他我們持續密切掌握但是本席還是提醒一下因為畢竟瞬息萬變但是經濟部要做好充分的應變措施那部長另外一個部分也請教\n\n9\n00:03:12,859 --> 00:03:41,216\n之前輝達有講是說要來台北來台灣投資那我昨天我也說了就是說經濟部我們看到媒體報導是講是說有提供至少兩塊地包括林口國際媒體園區以及松南營區這兩塊地嘛給輝達做選擇對那是國產署他已經好像有對外講的確的確那我們經濟部因為我早上又看到您在回答是說我們經濟部預期打算十塊地以上就雙位數是不是\n\n10\n00:03:41,776 --> 00:03:57,407\n對因為我們是這樣想就是對我們來講輝達當然有他的條件跟這個但是對我們來講的話我們給他越多的選擇他是越可能留在台灣是所以我們就往這個方向來進行好所以我們預計會給他多少選擇\n\n11\n00:03:58,732 --> 00:04:22,298\n我們希望還是超過10或10個以上部長我接下來問題就很關鍵囉因為會打只有一家對不對再怎麼樣到最後脆平中選就新娘不是我很有可能其他假設你10塊地啊包括現在台北市的這個這兩塊原本的地我們不會對外公佈來我知道你先聽完我再來告訴您說應該經濟部要做的事情是什麼就是說\n\n12\n00:04:23,519 --> 00:04:40,940\n輝達只有一家到之後出來之後新娘不是我剩下9塊地沒有可是既然經濟部會把它列為備選名單提供給輝達那就代表說那9塊地不管是條件地理位置以及人口以及技術以及跟人才的\n\n13\n00:04:41,400 --> 00:05:04,694\n都不錯沒錯這就是重點包括本席所在的林口國際媒體園區那過去因為有被財政部先列管說所謂有可能要做社宅但是現在也已經解編了而且也被經濟部拿出來當成是給揮打選擇的其中之一那本席想要問以及強調的就是那假設揮打選擇了\n\n14\n00:05:06,872 --> 00:05:23,330\n到最後確平眾選不是我們這地但我們這地也確實被經濟部列為是很不錯的地那經濟部是不是有責任跟計畫要來協助招商對我們也會把這個地推介給比如說外國的企業那就要更積極因為回答\n\n15\n00:05:25,039 --> 00:05:45,873\n選擇一個那能不能我們用這個地因為你已經盤點在這一次你已經盤點出來假設10塊地包括林口包括松南等等的那這些地的條件都很好那應該再去跟其他的國際大廠國際公司來問Google問Intel問其他各行各業有條件資格跟揮打相匹配的\n\n16\n00:05:46,733 --> 00:06:01,402\n我們是不是可以來更積極的做可以這就不是只是地方政府的責任囉是對不對因為你等於是利用揮打來的這次機會全台灣再盤點一次而且好的地把它盤點出來那我們就可以主動出擊去找其他的\n\n17\n00:06:02,402 --> 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