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00:00:59,848\n就是allinonefourinone他既是民生議題又是經濟產業他也是很多從業人員是青年族群也有許多是弱勢族群所以這一個fourinone的民生經濟法案我希望大家就理性來對話而不是在這裡政治口水好下一頁\n\n4\n00:01:01,028 --> 00:01:23,862\n我今天要替您報區事實上您是我所知道的歷任的勞動部長裡頭因應外送員這個新興經濟模式也是一個全新的產業你是勇敢接球的那個人而不是踢球的那個人怎麼接球的那個洪森漢部長今天我看你被罵到臭頭我現在替你報區因為這個法\n\n5\n00:01:26,904 --> 00:01:50,457\n過去有很多的立法技術的困難就是誰要做本法的主管機關嗎洪聖翰部長勞動部的同仁勇敢的承擔了責任我想我是給予肯定而我也認為法與其要立得快更要立得好因為這是一個專法也是一個全新的立法不應當為快而快\n\n6\n00:01:51,517 --> 00:02:08,790\n本屆的立法院有一個最大的弊病啊就是我們立法委員就是把法立好或是把法修好而不是把法搞爛剛剛有委員在這裡垂詢您說你有沒有去找提案的某委員A委員B委員C委員一個一個討論溝通我承認吳思瑤跟洪森漢部長討論很多次為什麼因為我主動打電話給他請他來一起溝通跟討論我想問一下\n\n7\n00:02:21,960 --> 00:02:35,470\n剛剛他所提的這幾位OK有提案的委員請問王宏威委員也好或是民眾黨的委員也好有像我們吳思瑤或是民進黨團關心的委員主動一而再再而三的邀請您我們約時間來討論嗎\n\n8\n00:02:38,137 --> 00:03:06,348\n我想只要委員有邀請的話我們都願意一起參與是嘛那委員也要既然關心就主動邀請嘛我相信深漢也來自於立法院嘛跟委員的溝通無礙嘛所以我是要先替你們報區也要給鼓勵送暖支持無論如何這一個法的催生我們現在就上路而且它是一個不折不扣的民生經濟法案不要再政治口水下一頁\n\n9\n00:03:07,509 --> 00:03:21,992\n民進黨團的版本喔我們未來就來比一比喔產業要有競爭力立法也要有競爭力我們羅列的民進黨團的十大亮點在這個法案上我這裡都列舉出來了\n\n10\n00:03:22,950 --> 00:03:52,270\n很重要的一個觀點是一個界面是各部會六大部會全投入部會要清楚分工我看其他的版本國民黨委員版本民眾黨團版本就是勞動部然後其他跨部會的業務他不管了這是不可行的所以民進黨團的第一個我們負責任的立法各部會六大部會全力投入就是只有民進黨團版本有\n\n11\n00:03:53,052 --> 00:04:16,886\n第二個在運費跟最低工資可以雙重保障外送員的基本報酬也只有民進黨團的版本最全面當然我們看到羅廷威委員王玉敏王宏威民眾黨團的版本也有一些些著墨但民進黨團是雙重保障最全面第三個就是民進黨團特別重視的外送員的離線權\n\n12\n00:04:20,014 --> 00:04:44,534\n有三個版本在野黨版本是沒有的還有平台不得中止片面中止契約也就是不能隨意任意的停權這個部分是民進黨團是onlyone唯一我們的版本有其他版本付之缺如還有建立外送員的申訴管道而且成立一個有外聘專家導入的爭議處理的申訴的小組\n\n13\n00:04:45,895 --> 00:05:03,920\n來保障外送員的勞動權益也只有民進黨團的版本有其他的六個版本都沒有提及下一頁接下來外送員的職災保費很重要其他委員的版本也許有提到職災保險但是由誰來負擔他們沒有提\n\n14\n00:05:04,600 --> 00:05:29,608\n只有民進黨團的版本清楚的讓外送員的職災保費是由平台來負擔我們入法了同樣的商業保險入法也是民進黨團版本當然紅衛委員的版本也有OK再來呢擬定平台跟外送員消費者店家之間的定型化契約民進黨團版本最全面另外的在黨委有三個版本沒有提到\n\n15\n00:05:30,563 --> 00:05:51,532\n最後兩個也都是消費者外送員的各自保護很重要各自保護民進黨團版本也是入法以及平台必須記錄保存的責任他要承擔而相關機關擁有調閱權都是為了保障消費者也保障同步保障店家這些都有\n\n16\n00:05:52,532 --> 00:06:10,625\n所以說我們的法要立得周延法案要有競爭力才能夠幫助產業的競爭力全面提升我非常負責任的去整理彙整現在所有的版本的利弊得失我們希望未來在討論的時候大家都理性對話\n\n17\n00:06:12,150 --> 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跟委員的溝通無礙嘛所以我是要先替你們報區也要給鼓勵送暖支持無論如何這一個法的催生我們現在就上路而且它是一個不折不扣的民生經濟法案不要再政治口水下一頁\n187509\t201992\t民進黨團的版本喔我們未來就來比一比喔產業要有競爭力立法也要有競爭力我們羅列的民進黨團的十大亮點在這個法案上我這裡都列舉出來了\n202950\t232270\t很重要的一個觀點是一個界面是各部會六大部會全投入部會要清楚分工我看其他的版本國民黨委員版本民眾黨團版本就是勞動部然後其他跨部會的業務他不管了這是不可行的所以民進黨團的第一個我們負責任的立法各部會六大部會全力投入就是只有民進黨團版本有\n233052\t256886\t第二個在運費跟最低工資可以雙重保障外送員的基本報酬也只有民進黨團的版本最全面當然我們看到羅廷威委員王玉敏王宏威民眾黨團的版本也有一些些著墨但民進黨團是雙重保障最全面第三個就是民進黨團特別重視的外送員的離線權\n260014\t284534\t有三個版本在野黨版本是沒有的還有平台不得中止片面中止契約也就是不能隨意任意的停權這個部分是民進黨團是only one唯一我們的版本有其他版本付之缺如還有建立外送員的申訴管道而且成立一個有外聘專家導入的爭議處理的申訴的小組\n285895\t303920\t來保障外送員的勞動權益也只有民進黨團的版本有其他的六個版本都沒有提及下一頁接下來外送員的職災保費很重要其他委員的版本也許有提到職災保險但是由誰來負擔他們沒有提\n304600\t329608\t只有民進黨團的版本清楚的讓外送員的職災保費是由平台來負擔我們入法了同樣的商業保險入法也是民進黨團版本當然紅衛委員的版本也有OK再來呢擬定平台跟外送員消費者店家之間的定型化契約民進黨團版本最全面另外的在黨委有三個版本沒有提到\n330563\t351532\t最後兩個也都是消費者外送員的各自保護很重要各自保護民進黨團版本也是入法以及平台必須記錄保存的責任他要承擔而相關機關擁有調閱權都是為了保障消費者也保障同步保障店家這些都有\n352532\t370625\t所以說我們的法要立得周延法案要有競爭力才能夠幫助產業的競爭力全面提升我非常負責任的去整理彙整現在所有的版本的利弊得失我們希望未來在討論的時候大家都理性對話\n372150\t393581\t最後呢因為您會提願板嗎我是提醒單排案的交委委員很用心我是提醒當然我們願意等願板否則會陷入一個狀況我對照了所有的版本你要用哪一個版本作為參照的版本來修那個條次因為彼此的差距很大\n394321\t409819\t所以如果院版端出之後大家一起用院版作為一個審查的參照也許在條次的對應上就比較能夠有所依循否則你看民進黨團25條我們各方面都有但是如果要請廖委員用民進黨團的版本來作為參照的這個\n413243\t429884\t主體可能也為難了您可是如果沒有一個參照的母體的版本真的每個委員的調次跟規範的面向其實在未來的立法過程裡頭會遭受很大的困難所以如果說委員會有共識也在這裡請示這個交委\n432026\t458060\t如果有院版來討論可能對於後續的討論會更有品質也更有效率這是我的提醒那我們就一起加油我為所有勞動部的同仁們當然其他部會交通部有責任抒發部有責任經濟部有責任金管會有責任然後勞動部有責任還有行政院的消保處有責任所有的部會一起動起來沒有人是局外人但我還是謝謝勞動部勇敢的承擔謝謝\n459833\t465006\t謝謝委員謝謝吳思耀委員發言羅明才委員羅明才委員\n","txt":"謝謝主席有請部長有請部長\n部長所有列席的同仁大家辛苦了現在已經是一天的下半天了大家都還在這裡關心外送權外送員的權益這個會期行政院有四個優先我們在所有的議案上希望能夠做到民生優先經濟優先青年優先弱勢優先在思堯看來其實我們現在來推動外送員權益專法\n就是all 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in one、four in one。它既是民生議題、又是經濟產業，它有許多從業人員是青年族群，也有許多是弱勢族群，因此，針對這個four in 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one唯一的版本，其他的版本付之闕如。還有建立外送員的申訴管道，並成立一個有外聘專家導入的爭議申訴處理的小組，以保障外送員的勞動權益，也只有民進黨團有這樣的版本，其他的6個版本都沒有提及。","接下來是外送員的職災保費，很重要喔！其他委員的版本也許有提到職災保險，但是由誰來負擔，他們並沒有提，只有民進黨團的版本清楚的讓外送員的職災保費由平台負擔，我們入法了。同樣的，商業保險入法也是民進黨團的版本，當然鴻薇委員的版本也有。再來是擬定平台及外送員、消費者、店家之間的定型化契約，民進黨團的版本最全面，在野黨有三個版本沒有提到。最後二個是消費者及外送員的個資保護很重要，而民進黨團的版本也是將個資的保護入法，而且平台必須承擔記錄保存的責任，相關機關則擁有調閱權，這些都是為了保障消費者、也同步保障店家。我們的法要立得周延，法案要有競爭力，才能夠幫助產業的競爭力全面提升。我非常負責任的彙整了現在所有版本的利弊得失，希望未來在討論的時候，大家都可以理性對話。","最後，因為你會提出院版，我要提醒排案的召委，委員很用心，當然我們也很願意等院版，否則會陷入一個狀況，對照所有的版本，但要用哪一個版本作為參照版本修條次？因為彼此的差距很大，如果在院版端出來之後，大家一起用院版作為審查的參照，也許在條次的對應上就比較能夠有所依循。否則，你看民進黨團的25條在各方面都有，但是如果要請廖委員以民進黨團的版本作為參照的主體，可能也為難了你！事實上，如果沒有一個參照的母體版本，每位委員的條次與規範的面向，在未來的立法過程中，真的會遭受很大的困難。如果委員會有共識，也在這裡請示召委，若能有院版作為參照，後續的討論會更有品質、也更有效率，這是我的提醒。","我們就與所有勞動部的同仁們一起加油，當然包括其他的部會，交通部有責任、數發部有責任、經濟部有責任、金管會有責任、勞動部有責任、行政部的消保處也有責任，所有的部會一起動起來，沒有人是局外人，但我還是要謝謝勞動部勇敢的承擔，謝謝。"],["洪部長申翰：謝謝委員。"],["主席：謝謝吳思瑤委員發言。","羅明才委員、羅明才委員、羅明才委員不在。","請劉建國委員發言。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":206,"meet_id":"委員會-11-4-26-6","speakers":["廖偉翔","洪孟楷","陳昭姿","羅廷瑋","王育敏","王鴻薇","楊瓊瓔","陳菁徽","蘇清泉","邱鎮軍","黃秀芳","林月琴","王正旭","林淑芬","陳瑩","黃國昌","林國成","李坤城","張啓楷","許宇甄","黃捷","鍾佳濱","楊曜","林楚茵","吳思瑤","劉建國","盧縣一","張智倫","林沛祥","涂權吉"],"page_start":111,"meetingDate":["2025-10-22"],"gazette_id":"1148801","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1148801_00004"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第6次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"審查一、委員洪孟楷等21人擬具「外送平台管理暨從業人員權益保障法草案」案；二、台灣民眾\n黨黨團擬具「外送平台管理暨從業人員權益保障法草案」案；三、委員羅廷瑋等20人擬具「外送\n平台管理暨從業人員權益保障法草案」案；四、委員王育敏等16人擬具「外送平台管理暨從業人\n員權益保障法草案」案；五、委員王鴻薇等20 人擬具「外送平台管理暨從業人員權益保障法草\n案」案；六、委員楊瓊瓔等19人擬具「外送平台管理暨從業人員權益保障法草案」案【僅詢答】","agenda_id":"1148801_00003"}}}