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00:00:47,748\n是要预防危机的发生那这个本席呢是也只针对您今天的简报也就是一个非常短期中的短期的一个救急因应还没有看到你中长期的一个怎么的预防的机制好那所以呢我还是要讲一直倡议的叫做智慧管理决策要智慧管理\n\n3\n00:00:48,328 --> 00:01:13,769\n那其實是從陳吉仲主委到您這個陳俊濟部長來講四年前本席就一直在倡議這個基因定序當中的重要性那它對於豬價的穩定對於防疫所有各養豬場的距向的掌握以及到你的一個生產力的提升\n\n4\n00:01:14,750 --> 00:01:29,688\n成本的降低生產力的提升其實全部都可以避其功以役而且是24小時365天所以今天我還是回到從4年多前30年前開始倡議的藉著你這次非洲豬瘟的普查\n\n5\n00:01:30,689 --> 00:01:58,901\n一定要結合生物安全資料庫也進而建立了穩定豬價的供應跟價格跟守住食安跟產業的信任豬價的穩定在上週的時候我說這個不是本席神預測現在從去年就在提醒說豬價一定會上漲您說你們會知道漲結果搞到今年我們豬價是全球第二高的國家\n\n6\n00:01:59,981 --> 00:02:15,342\n好那所以呢這個防疫講回來說到防疫守了7年那這個東南亞少數能維持非疫情的國家你們也做了因應了但是這些因應當中該冷凍豬肉停止停止屠宰跟交易5天\n\n7\n00:02:16,483 --> 00:02:43,943\n這表示什麼一件事情我們的市場供應鏈是非常脆弱實安的資料是分散的所以呢再次提醒你在上一週本席的警告租價的穩定不是短期的問題是結構的問題政府痛定思痛務必建立全國租資的生物安全資料掌握環境與生物風險變化才能在疫情\n\n8\n00:02:44,983 --> 00:03:03,309\n價格食安三者找到平衡所以今天的重點是希望藉著與非洲豬瘟的普查整合變成系統性的長期防疫防線冷凍豬肉的調度跟食安好全國目前的冷凍豬肉的儲藏量是6.2噸每日的消費是9500噸只能撐6天\n\n9\n00:03:08,971 --> 00:03:18,077\n所以呢這個您後續屠宰的時間如果延長了你的市場供應的供給一定是非常的緊急\n\n10\n00:03:20,290 --> 00:03:39,728\n所以我在這邊有兩個要求第一個市場的冷凍豬肉來源結構你必須立即公開這個公開是在疫情情節的食安透明度最基本的社會新冷你要在48小時內明確的將這批冷凍豬肉的國產比例跟進口比例公開\n\n11\n00:03:40,589 --> 00:04:05,231\n第二個產地批次與倉儲溫控紀錄是否可以上網可查其實這兩個如果你有在本席三四年前就開始建立起你的智慧決策的一個共用平台的話其實這些你隨時我隨時問隨時都可以答全國人民都可以看好那你不做\n\n12\n00:04:06,431 --> 00:04:25,118\n那你就只好本席在這的要求這是在疫情期間食安透明度對社會最基本的信任要公開這兩項第二個在這個禁載期間供應減少導致批發價格我現在都講民生我現在是講人民不是講你講你這個農業部你的食安你的價格\n\n13\n00:04:28,959 --> 00:04:49,069\n你的價格如果超過了10%你現在租價已是天價如果因為這一波進展之後你再上漲10%必須拜託兩件事情第一個冷凍儲備的釋出這你已經在做了請你也要啟動平易租價基金趕快的穩定市場價格\n\n14\n00:04:51,050 --> 00:05:18,206\n不要把豬長期為農業部所苦也不要把豬變成行政團隊的包袱所以避免你只要市場的價格再次的變成讓民眾有恐慌性的採買這對現在的行政團隊又是雪上加霜所以綁上消費者保護農民的底線所以這邊是兩項要求再來\n\n15\n00:05:20,014 --> 00:05:36,742\n建立普查能夠結合普查建立組織的生物安全資料庫非洲防疫不是的這個防疫非洲豬瘟的防疫不是靠臨時應變現在你們叫臨時應變這次全國的普查是建立起結構化資料的絕佳機會\n\n16\n00:05:38,283 --> 00:06:00,951\n我再次再次的第二次的要求非洲豬瘟的普查結合全國豬隻生物安全資料庫的建設結合辦理具體三個第一個場居層級的資料第二個分子層級的監測第三資料整合與AI的預警你場居層級的資料由縣市防禦所協助採樣\n\n17\n00:06:03,893 --> 00:06:09,540\n輔導具規模的中大型養豬場進行輔導記錄每座養豬場的環境倉庫倉庫你的溫濕度餵食來源進出人員場區消毒記錄建立數位防疫檔案\n\n18\n00:06:19,172 --> 00:06:35,698\n這個如果你有做從三四年前本席的倡議到現在你有做你現在就不會現在查到幾天了黃金的兩天內三天內你到現在還查不出來你的溯源還查不出來數位防禦痛定思痛做起來吧\n\n19\n00:06:36,098 --> 00:07:01,805\n我所謂中隊增大型台堂如果你你事先做台堂是最大宗台堂你先導入了這樣每座養豬場環境的參數的導入建立數位防疫的資料那中小型的那我們就變看啦因為如果連中小型本席的選區也有啊中小型要這樣要求下去進出人員場區的消毒劑他們做不來\n\n20\n00:07:02,925 --> 00:07:30,580\n但是中大型你要先導入中小型的你試看他的狀況看什麼的要求第二個分子層級的監測國營事業台堂自先導入基因育種跟分子檢測以市場的機制提升豬隻產續產的生產效益跟安全性你的屠宰場端與樣區中對豬隻檢驗進行兩件事情分子菌向檢測跟結合生物晶片\n\n21\n00:07:31,320 --> 00:07:41,930\n你百分百的掌握每隻豬啊豬隻環境的微生物豬的組成變化你怎麼可能還有疫情的發生\n\n22\n00:07:42,898 --> 00:08:07,156\n你都會掌握這不僅能提前發現病毒的跡象而且用來追蹤環境污染跟抗藥性的菌株對未來食品安全管理奠定科學基礎都是建立在科學最後資料整合與AI預警由防菌署整合各縣市的防疫資料庫統一建立起株質健康環境檢測平台並以AI演算法監測\n\n23\n00:08:08,797 --> 00:08:30,571\n異常菌群的變化自動發出預警所以依照歐盟食品安全局的報告導入了分子檢測也就上述這三件事情非洲豬瘟的再發率是下降42%這不是理論這是實證台灣應該成為亞洲第一個以菌向資料防疫的國家\n\n24\n00:08:31,656 --> 00:08:56,369\n好再來講到價格價格與防疫是可以並行的從短期應變成長期的治理短期你穩定租價從冷凍調度跟平益基金平益基金是本席今天提出就長期穩定就還是一樣靠著資料科學與透明的決策建立租資生活安全資料庫之後你建立這個之後你可以有三件事情你就坐著\n\n25\n00:08:57,049 --> 00:09:20,824\n吹冷氣做你這個部長就夠了第一個透過即時檢測你這個安全庫有做出來你透過即時檢測預測疫情對供應鏈的影響第二個你可以提早釋放冷凍庫存避免價格的劇烈波動第三個以資料驅動補助政策資料驅動補助政策連你的補助都在建立在數據之上\n\n26\n00:09:22,585 --> 00:09:41,540\n針對高風險地區強化環境改善跟消毒設施這樣的系統能夠幫助地方政府掌握實際豬隻分布跟廚餘使用的狀況避免非法養豬或者不當廚餘流入市場從源頭穩定價格跟食安好再來防疫科學化\n\n27\n00:09:42,441 --> 00:10:10,871\n守住食安重建人民的信任台灣已經防堵非洲豬瘟7年這呢防疫是長期戰豬價穩定是民生戰講好豬價穩定是民生戰防疫需要決心市場是需要制度的防我一再強調防疫不應該只是一時的禁止措施更應該建立長期的科學化結構的防線這邊短期長期我再次的要求\n\n28\n00:10:11,511 --> 00:10:39,843\n容業部期許容業部從上禮拜本席的質詢之後您我在沒有要求兩個月內要建立豬隻安全資料庫並且今天我一併的再次強調與非洲豬瘟的普查一同實施到包括價格的波動你也有要求你了在冷凍庫包括你的評議基金那包括你這個豬掌握豬隻的分布跟廚餘的使用這都您在簡報當中都有講本席都認同\n\n29\n00:10:40,743 --> 00:10:49,292\n未來結構性的防疫精進邊境的防堵持續的做落實的做百分百的X光檢驗率市場的管理這邊\n\n30\n00:10:51,622 --> 00:11:17,308\n這個我也講了結合國際GSISummarize2027標準的推動這個Summarize是標標籤的一個國際化的一個組織好他2027年全球要推動就是像這個ISO等等的這樣類似這樣的一個標籤的一個全國全球的組織他要推動那我們就是配合配合做諸之圖宅導入QRcode\n\n31\n00:11:19,555 --> 00:11:36,751\n確保租資流通的通訊透明可追溯這不就是也是AI管理智慧平台嗎人要做好租才能管好守住食安就是守住農業更是守住人民的信任好最後本席主張你們現在有一個基金\n\n32\n00:11:38,109 --> 00:11:53,266\n在百億基金在去年就已經截止了你們呢在去年6月24就已經呈報行政院行政院到現在還沒核定這所謂的百億基金的第二期計畫那說百億也不到百億也不過68.8而已請農業部務必\n\n33\n00:11:57,410 --> 00:12:13,980\n行政院本週核定第二期的百億計畫從去年到現在還沒核定一年了放在行政院長辦公室一年了所以你現在趕快的核定這第二期的這樣的一個68.82億的計畫但是我認為要更名叫什麼\n\n34\n00:12:18,283 --> 00:12:40,780\n不叫做百億基金了百億基金它做在什麼它是在租場設備現代化在你們做了很多的補助這認同第二期這68.81或者你認為我認為都應該要增加預算叫做續產復興計畫著重三件事情生產效益防疫安全和科學管理好來以上部長你請回應\n\n35\n00:12:42,967 --> 00:13:11,213\n我想非常謝謝委員的一些期許然後我個人對大部分的一定百分之百認同特別是您特別提到生物安全庫的資料的一個建立這是一個非常重要的對於我們後續的租場的這些管理跟有效的掌握那相關的郡巷的資料的一個部分那郡巷至於說哪些郡巷這個會回到專業去討論然後第三個就是透過這樣的方式做資料的整合跟AI的管理這個我想我百分之百認同那至於說\n\n36\n00:13:12,193 --> 00:13:38,220\n冷凍豬肉的部分的國產跟國外的去公布因為這個東西都是不是政府購買的如果是政府購買一定百分之百公開但是我們是透過一些其他的冷凍工會冷凍廠商他們來釋出那這個東西就是由他們我們沒有辦法得到說他們的一個資料這個但是我們會去努力將我們自己能夠掌握的資訊能夠對外講\n\n37\n00:13:39,460 --> 00:14:06,837\n那不管是國產的或是國外進口只要符合安全的我想對產地批次倉儲溫控紀錄這當然可以上網啊不是如果是我們自己生產的自己掌握的所以你對進口的你完全是沒有辦法掌握他的場地包括批次在他上到國內的哪個地方包括他在哪個倉儲的溫控紀錄現在是不可查以現在的管理法規\n\n38\n00:14:07,557 --> 00:14:33,013\n那您覺得有沒有需要去建置呢這是對於你在疫情期間釋出的冷凍豬肉當中的食安透明度你認為不必要嗎沒關係你如果有必要就跟這對大眾說這個在冷凍豬肉的釋出當中是沒有是食安是一個空窗期的我們是不需要把它的產現在沒做未來也不需要做請部長再詳時延夜後國產的部分\n\n39\n00:14:37,255 --> 00:14:49,885\n我們一定會有一個完整的溯源那國外進口的部分你要不要研議去建置呢沒有國外進來的部分是衛福部他主責的國外進來是食品的部分那你覺得本席要求你跟衛福部討論我們會跟衛福部溝通去對於在你疫情期間的食安透明度我意思講\n\n40\n00:14:57,730 --> 00:15:22,876\n這個沒問題對10萬的透明度就沒有問題謝謝部長請將委員所提詳時研議後給委員來做透明那您對於這個第二期的百億計畫其實只有68.82億您要不要請怎麼樣的要去跟行政院報告這件事情你今天就要馬上報告啦我想這個部分我們之前也在行政院溝通應該很快就會核下來的\n\n41\n00:15:23,556 --> 00:15:51,535\n那你的做法我主張是到續產復產基金喔生產效益防疫安全科學管理尤其科學管理不是只有防疫包括你租資的競爭力你的生產成本是導致你的價格是全球這個租價全球第二高你不覺得這是很丟臉的一件事情好我們請部長因為時間的關係因為超過一半的時間這個你那麼認同在這個第二期的這樣的一個百億計畫當中\n\n42\n00:15:54,196 --> 00:16:14,965\n在叫做素產復興計畫著重在生產效益防疫安全科學觀如果沒有你還是只有在廠租廠的現代化設備的投入你並不會對於你防疫跟科學管理跟生產效益當中你是沒有錢的你拿來的錢你沒有靠這筆錢你怎麼可以推動剛才本席所講的這個智慧管理呢\n\n43\n00:16:15,545 --> 00:16:20,429\n好謝謝林委員的發言我們也請農業部請將委員所提的詳詞給委員說明清楚我已經提醒了我沒有意見主席我沒有意見我只是提醒部長\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n7762\t19258\t好 有請部長我們再請陳部長好 部長 這個政策其實是要做預防\n21178\t47748\t是要预防危机的发生那这个本席呢是也只针对您今天的简报也就是一个非常短期中的短期的一个救急因应还没有看到你中长期的一个怎么的预防的机制好那所以呢我还是要讲一直倡议的叫做智慧管理决策要智慧管理\n48328\t73769\t那其實是從陳吉仲主委到您這個陳俊濟部長來講四年前本席就一直在倡議這個基因定序當中的重要性那它對於豬價的穩定對於防疫所有各養豬場的距向的掌握以及到你的一個生產力的提升\n74750\t89688\t成本的降低生產力的提升其實全部都可以避其功以役而且是24小時365天所以今天我還是回到從4年多前30年前開始倡議的藉著你這次非洲豬瘟的普查\n90689\t118901\t一定要結合生物安全資料庫也進而建立了穩定豬價的供應跟價格跟守住食安跟產業的信任豬價的穩定在上週的時候我說這個不是本席神預測現在從去年就在提醒說豬價一定會上漲您說你們會知道漲結果搞到今年我們豬價是全球第二高的國家\n119981\t135342\t好那所以呢這個防疫講回來說到防疫守了7年那這個東南亞少數能維持非疫情的國家你們也做了因應了但是這些因應當中該冷凍豬肉停止停止屠宰跟交易5天\n136483\t163943\t這表示什麼一件事情我們的市場供應鏈是非常脆弱實安的資料是分散的所以呢再次提醒你在上一週本席的警告租價的穩定不是短期的問題是結構的問題政府痛定思痛務必建立全國租資的生物安全資料掌握環境與生物風險變化才能在疫情\n164983\t183309\t價格 食安三者找到平衡所以今天的重點是希望藉著與非洲豬瘟的普查整合變成系統性的長期防疫防線冷凍豬肉的調度跟食安好 全國目前的冷凍豬肉的儲藏量是6.2噸每日的消費是9500噸 只能撐6天\n188971\t198077\t所以呢這個您後續屠宰的時間如果延長了你的市場供應的供給一定是非常的緊急\n200290\t219728\t所以我在這邊有兩個要求第一個市場的冷凍豬肉來源結構你必須立即公開這個公開是在疫情情節的食安透明度最基本的社會新冷你要在48小時內明確的將這批冷凍豬肉的國產比例跟進口比例公開\n220589\t245231\t第二個產地批次與倉儲溫控紀錄是否可以上網可查其實這兩個如果你有在本席三四年前就開始建立起你的智慧決策的一個共用平台的話其實這些你隨時我隨時問隨時都可以答全國人民都可以看好那你不做\n246431\t265118\t那你就只好本席在這的要求這是在疫情期間食安透明度對社會最基本的信任要公開這兩項第二個在這個禁載期間供應減少導致批發價格我現在都講民生我現在是講人民不是講你講你這個農業部你的食安你的價格\n268959\t289069\t你的價格如果超過了10%你現在租價已是天價如果因為這一波進展之後你再上漲10%必須拜託兩件事情第一個冷凍儲備的釋出這你已經在做了請你也要啟動平易租價基金趕快的穩定市場價格\n291050\t318206\t不要把豬長期為農業部所苦也不要把豬變成行政團隊的包袱所以避免你只要市場的價格再次的變成讓民眾有恐慌性的採買這對現在的行政團隊又是雪上加霜所以綁上消費者保護農民的底線所以這邊是兩項要求再來\n320014\t336742\t建立普查能夠結合普查建立組織的生物安全資料庫非洲防疫不是的這個防疫非洲豬瘟的防疫不是靠臨時應變現在你們叫臨時應變這次全國的普查是建立起結構化資料的絕佳機會\n338283\t360951\t我再次再次的第二次的要求非洲豬瘟的普查結合全國豬隻生物安全資料庫的建設結合辦理具體三個第一個場居層級的資料第二個分子層級的監測第三資料整合與AI的預警你場居層級的資料由縣市防禦所協助採樣\n363893\t369540\t輔導 具規模的中大型養豬場進行輔導記錄每座養豬場的環境倉庫倉庫你的溫濕度餵食來源進出人員場區消毒記錄建立數位防疫檔案\n379172\t395698\t這個如果你有做從三四年前本席的倡議到現在你有做你現在就不會現在查到幾天了黃金的兩天內三天內你到現在還查不出來你的溯源還查不出來數位防禦痛定思痛做起來吧\n396098\t421805\t我所謂中隊增大型台堂如果你你事先做台堂是最大宗台堂你先導入了這樣每座養豬場環境的參數的導入建立數位防疫的資料那中小型的那我們就變看啦因為如果連中小型本席的選區也有啊中小型要這樣要求下去進出人員場區的消毒劑他們做不來\n422925\t450580\t但是中大型你要先導入中小型的你試看他的狀況看什麼的要求第二個分子層級的監測國營事業台堂自先導入基因育種跟分子檢測以市場的機制提升豬隻產續產的生產效益跟安全性你的屠宰場端與樣區中對豬隻檢驗進行兩件事情分子菌向檢測跟結合生物晶片\n451320\t461930\t你百分百的掌握每隻豬啊豬隻環境的微生物豬的組成變化你怎麼可能還有疫情的發生\n462898\t487156\t你都會掌握這不僅能提前發現病毒的跡象而且用來追蹤環境污染跟抗藥性的菌株對未來食品安全管理奠定科學基礎都是建立在科學最後資料整合與AI預警由防菌署整合各縣市的防疫資料庫統一建立起株質健康環境檢測平台並以AI演算法監測\n488797\t510571\t異常菌群的變化自動發出預警所以依照歐盟食品安全局的報告導入了分子檢測也就上述這三件事情非洲豬瘟的再發率是下降42%這不是理論這是實證台灣應該成為亞洲第一個以菌向資料防疫的國家\n511656\t536369\t好再來講到價格價格與防疫是可以並行的從短期應變成長期的治理短期你穩定租價從冷凍調度跟平益基金平益基金是本席今天提出就長期穩定就還是一樣靠著資料科學與透明的決策建立租資生活安全資料庫之後你建立這個之後你可以有三件事情你就坐著\n537049\t560824\t吹冷氣做你這個部長就夠了第一個透過即時檢測你這個安全庫有做出來你透過即時檢測預測疫情對供應鏈的影響第二個你可以提早釋放冷凍庫存避免價格的劇烈波動第三個以資料驅動補助政策資料驅動補助政策連你的補助都在建立在數據之上\n562585\t581540\t針對高風險地區強化環境改善跟消毒設施這樣的系統能夠幫助地方政府掌握實際豬隻分布跟廚餘使用的狀況避免非法養豬或者不當廚餘流入市場從源頭穩定價格跟食安好再來防疫科學化\n582441\t610871\t守住食安重建人民的信任台灣已經防堵非洲豬瘟7年這呢防疫是長期戰豬價穩定是民生戰講好豬價穩定是民生戰防疫需要決心市場是需要制度的防我一再強調防疫不應該只是一時的禁止措施更應該建立長期的科學化結構的防線這邊短期長期我再次的要求\n611511\t639843\t容業部期許容業部從上禮拜本席的質詢之後您我在沒有要求兩個月內要建立豬隻安全資料庫並且今天我一併的再次強調與非洲豬瘟的普查一同實施到包括價格的波動你也有要求你了在冷凍庫包括你的評議基金那包括你這個豬掌握豬隻的分布跟廚餘的使用這都您在簡報當中都有講本席都認同\n640743\t649292\t未來結構性的防疫精進邊境的防堵持續的做落實的做百分百的X光檢驗率市場的管理這邊\n651622\t677308\t這個我也講了 結合國際GSI Summarize2027標準的推動這個Summarize是標標籤的一個國際化的一個組織好他2027年全球要推動就是像這個ISO等等的這樣類似這樣的一個標籤的一個全國全球的組織他要推動那我們就是配合配合做諸之圖宅導入QR code\n679555\t696751\t確保租資流通的通訊透明可追溯這不就是也是AI管理智慧平台嗎人要做好租才能管好守住食安就是守住農業更是守住人民的信任好最後本席主張你們現在有一個基金\n698109\t713266\t在百億基金在去年就已經截止了你們呢在去年6月24就已經呈報行政院行政院到現在還沒核定這所謂的百億基金的第二期計畫那說百億也不到百億也不過68.8而已請農業部務必\n717410\t733980\t行政院本週核定第二期的百億計畫從去年到現在還沒核定一年了放在行政院長辦公室一年了所以你現在趕快的核定這第二期的這樣的一個68.82億的計畫但是我認為要更名叫什麼\n738283\t760780\t不叫做百億基金了 百億基金它做在什麼 它是在租場設備現代化在你們做了很多的補助 這認同第二期這68.81 或者你認為 我認為都應該要增加預算叫做續產復興計畫 著重三件事情生產效益 防疫安全和科學管理好 來 以上 部長你請回應\n762967\t791213\t我想非常謝謝委員的一些期許然後我個人對大部分的一定百分之百認同特別是您特別提到生物安全庫的資料的一個建立這是一個非常重要的對於我們後續的租場的這些管理跟有效的掌握那相關的郡巷的資料的一個部分那郡巷至於說哪些郡巷這個會回到專業去討論然後第三個就是透過這樣的方式做資料的整合跟AI的管理這個我想我百分之百認同那至於說\n792193\t818220\t冷凍豬肉的部分的國產跟國外的去公布因為這個東西都是不是政府購買的如果是政府購買一定百分之百公開但是我們是透過一些其他的冷凍工會冷凍廠商他們來釋出那這個東西就是由他們我們沒有辦法得到說他們的一個資料這個但是我們會去努力將我們自己能夠掌握的資訊能夠對外講\n819460\t846837\t那不管是國產的或是國外進口只要符合安全的我想對產地批次倉儲溫控紀錄這當然可以上網啊不是如果是我們自己生產的自己掌握的所以你對進口的你完全是沒有辦法掌握他的場地包括批次在他上到國內的哪個地方包括他在哪個倉儲的溫控紀錄現在是不可查以現在的管理法規\n847557\t873013\t那您覺得有沒有需要去建置呢這是對於你在疫情期間釋出的冷凍豬肉當中的食安透明度你認為不必要嗎沒關係你如果有必要就跟這對大眾說這個在冷凍豬肉的釋出當中是沒有是食安是一個空窗期的我們是不需要把它的產現在沒做未來也不需要做請部長再詳時延夜後國產的部分\n877255\t889885\t我們一定會有一個完整的溯源那國外進口的部分你要不要研議去建置呢沒有 國外進來的部分是衛福部他主責的國外進來是食品的部分那你覺得 本席要求你跟衛福部討論我們會跟衛福部溝通去對於在你疫情期間的食安透明度我意思講\n897730\t922876\t這個沒問題 對10萬的透明度就沒有問題謝謝部長 請將委員所提 詳時研議後給委員來做透明那您對於這個第二期的百億計畫其實只有68.82億您要不要請怎麼樣的要去跟行政院報告這件事情你今天就要馬上報告啦我想這個部分我們之前也在行政院溝通應該很快就會核下來的\n923556\t951535\t那你的做法我主張是到續產 復產基金喔生產效益 防疫安全 科學管理尤其科學管理不是只有防疫包括你租資的競爭力你的生產成本是導致你的價格是全球這個租價全球第二高你不覺得這是很丟臉的一件事情好 我們請部長因為時間的關係因為超過一半的時間這個你那麼認同在這個第二期的這樣的一個百億計畫當中\n954196\t974965\t在叫做素產復興計畫著重在生產效益防疫安全科學觀如果沒有你還是只有在廠租廠的現代化設備的投入你並不會對於你防疫跟科學管理跟生產效益當中你是沒有錢的你拿來的錢你沒有靠這筆錢你怎麼可以推動剛才本席所講的這個智慧管理呢\n975545\t980429\t好 謝謝林委員的發言我們也請農業部請將委員所提的詳詞給委員說明清楚我已經提醒了 我沒有意見主席我沒有意見我只是提醒部長\n","txt":"好 有請部長我們再請陳部長好 部長 這個政策其實是要做預防\n是要预防危机的发生那这个本席呢是也只针对您今天的简报也就是一个非常短期中的短期的一个救急因应还没有看到你中长期的一个怎么的预防的机制好那所以呢我还是要讲一直倡议的叫做智慧管理决策要智慧管理\n那其實是從陳吉仲主委到您這個陳俊濟部長來講四年前本席就一直在倡議這個基因定序當中的重要性那它對於豬價的穩定對於防疫所有各養豬場的距向的掌握以及到你的一個生產力的提升\n成本的降低生產力的提升其實全部都可以避其功以役而且是24小時365天所以今天我還是回到從4年多前30年前開始倡議的藉著你這次非洲豬瘟的普查\n一定要結合生物安全資料庫也進而建立了穩定豬價的供應跟價格跟守住食安跟產業的信任豬價的穩定在上週的時候我說這個不是本席神預測現在從去年就在提醒說豬價一定會上漲您說你們會知道漲結果搞到今年我們豬價是全球第二高的國家\n好那所以呢這個防疫講回來說到防疫守了7年那這個東南亞少數能維持非疫情的國家你們也做了因應了但是這些因應當中該冷凍豬肉停止停止屠宰跟交易5天\n這表示什麼一件事情我們的市場供應鏈是非常脆弱實安的資料是分散的所以呢再次提醒你在上一週本席的警告租價的穩定不是短期的問題是結構的問題政府痛定思痛務必建立全國租資的生物安全資料掌握環境與生物風險變化才能在疫情\n價格 食安三者找到平衡所以今天的重點是希望藉著與非洲豬瘟的普查整合變成系統性的長期防疫防線冷凍豬肉的調度跟食安好 全國目前的冷凍豬肉的儲藏量是6.2噸每日的消費是9500噸 只能撐6天\n所以呢這個您後續屠宰的時間如果延長了你的市場供應的供給一定是非常的緊急\n所以我在這邊有兩個要求第一個市場的冷凍豬肉來源結構你必須立即公開這個公開是在疫情情節的食安透明度最基本的社會新冷你要在48小時內明確的將這批冷凍豬肉的國產比例跟進口比例公開\n第二個產地批次與倉儲溫控紀錄是否可以上網可查其實這兩個如果你有在本席三四年前就開始建立起你的智慧決策的一個共用平台的話其實這些你隨時我隨時問隨時都可以答全國人民都可以看好那你不做\n那你就只好本席在這的要求這是在疫情期間食安透明度對社會最基本的信任要公開這兩項第二個在這個禁載期間供應減少導致批發價格我現在都講民生我現在是講人民不是講你講你這個農業部你的食安你的價格\n你的價格如果超過了10%你現在租價已是天價如果因為這一波進展之後你再上漲10%必須拜託兩件事情第一個冷凍儲備的釋出這你已經在做了請你也要啟動平易租價基金趕快的穩定市場價格\n不要把豬長期為農業部所苦也不要把豬變成行政團隊的包袱所以避免你只要市場的價格再次的變成讓民眾有恐慌性的採買這對現在的行政團隊又是雪上加霜所以綁上消費者保護農民的底線所以這邊是兩項要求再來\n建立普查能夠結合普查建立組織的生物安全資料庫非洲防疫不是的這個防疫非洲豬瘟的防疫不是靠臨時應變現在你們叫臨時應變這次全國的普查是建立起結構化資料的絕佳機會\n我再次再次的第二次的要求非洲豬瘟的普查結合全國豬隻生物安全資料庫的建設結合辦理具體三個第一個場居層級的資料第二個分子層級的監測第三資料整合與AI的預警你場居層級的資料由縣市防禦所協助採樣\n輔導 具規模的中大型養豬場進行輔導記錄每座養豬場的環境倉庫倉庫你的溫濕度餵食來源進出人員場區消毒記錄建立數位防疫檔案\n這個如果你有做從三四年前本席的倡議到現在你有做你現在就不會現在查到幾天了黃金的兩天內三天內你到現在還查不出來你的溯源還查不出來數位防禦痛定思痛做起來吧\n我所謂中隊增大型台堂如果你你事先做台堂是最大宗台堂你先導入了這樣每座養豬場環境的參數的導入建立數位防疫的資料那中小型的那我們就變看啦因為如果連中小型本席的選區也有啊中小型要這樣要求下去進出人員場區的消毒劑他們做不來\n但是中大型你要先導入中小型的你試看他的狀況看什麼的要求第二個分子層級的監測國營事業台堂自先導入基因育種跟分子檢測以市場的機制提升豬隻產續產的生產效益跟安全性你的屠宰場端與樣區中對豬隻檢驗進行兩件事情分子菌向檢測跟結合生物晶片\n你百分百的掌握每隻豬啊豬隻環境的微生物豬的組成變化你怎麼可能還有疫情的發生\n你都會掌握這不僅能提前發現病毒的跡象而且用來追蹤環境污染跟抗藥性的菌株對未來食品安全管理奠定科學基礎都是建立在科學最後資料整合與AI預警由防菌署整合各縣市的防疫資料庫統一建立起株質健康環境檢測平台並以AI演算法監測\n異常菌群的變化自動發出預警所以依照歐盟食品安全局的報告導入了分子檢測也就上述這三件事情非洲豬瘟的再發率是下降42%這不是理論這是實證台灣應該成為亞洲第一個以菌向資料防疫的國家\n好再來講到價格價格與防疫是可以並行的從短期應變成長期的治理短期你穩定租價從冷凍調度跟平益基金平益基金是本席今天提出就長期穩定就還是一樣靠著資料科學與透明的決策建立租資生活安全資料庫之後你建立這個之後你可以有三件事情你就坐著\n吹冷氣做你這個部長就夠了第一個透過即時檢測你這個安全庫有做出來你透過即時檢測預測疫情對供應鏈的影響第二個你可以提早釋放冷凍庫存避免價格的劇烈波動第三個以資料驅動補助政策資料驅動補助政策連你的補助都在建立在數據之上\n針對高風險地區強化環境改善跟消毒設施這樣的系統能夠幫助地方政府掌握實際豬隻分布跟廚餘使用的狀況避免非法養豬或者不當廚餘流入市場從源頭穩定價格跟食安好再來防疫科學化\n守住食安重建人民的信任台灣已經防堵非洲豬瘟7年這呢防疫是長期戰豬價穩定是民生戰講好豬價穩定是民生戰防疫需要決心市場是需要制度的防我一再強調防疫不應該只是一時的禁止措施更應該建立長期的科學化結構的防線這邊短期長期我再次的要求\n容業部期許容業部從上禮拜本席的質詢之後您我在沒有要求兩個月內要建立豬隻安全資料庫並且今天我一併的再次強調與非洲豬瘟的普查一同實施到包括價格的波動你也有要求你了在冷凍庫包括你的評議基金那包括你這個豬掌握豬隻的分布跟廚餘的使用這都您在簡報當中都有講本席都認同\n未來結構性的防疫精進邊境的防堵持續的做落實的做百分百的X光檢驗率市場的管理這邊\n這個我也講了 結合國際GSI Summarize2027標準的推動這個Summarize是標標籤的一個國際化的一個組織好他2027年全球要推動就是像這個ISO等等的這樣類似這樣的一個標籤的一個全國全球的組織他要推動那我們就是配合配合做諸之圖宅導入QR code\n確保租資流通的通訊透明可追溯這不就是也是AI管理智慧平台嗎人要做好租才能管好守住食安就是守住農業更是守住人民的信任好最後本席主張你們現在有一個基金\n在百億基金在去年就已經截止了你們呢在去年6月24就已經呈報行政院行政院到現在還沒核定這所謂的百億基金的第二期計畫那說百億也不到百億也不過68.8而已請農業部務必\n行政院本週核定第二期的百億計畫從去年到現在還沒核定一年了放在行政院長辦公室一年了所以你現在趕快的核定這第二期的這樣的一個68.82億的計畫但是我認為要更名叫什麼\n不叫做百億基金了 百億基金它做在什麼 它是在租場設備現代化在你們做了很多的補助 這認同第二期這68.81 或者你認為 我認為都應該要增加預算叫做續產復興計畫 著重三件事情生產效益 防疫安全和科學管理好 來 以上 部長你請回應\n我想非常謝謝委員的一些期許然後我個人對大部分的一定百分之百認同特別是您特別提到生物安全庫的資料的一個建立這是一個非常重要的對於我們後續的租場的這些管理跟有效的掌握那相關的郡巷的資料的一個部分那郡巷至於說哪些郡巷這個會回到專業去討論然後第三個就是透過這樣的方式做資料的整合跟AI的管理這個我想我百分之百認同那至於說\n冷凍豬肉的部分的國產跟國外的去公布因為這個東西都是不是政府購買的如果是政府購買一定百分之百公開但是我們是透過一些其他的冷凍工會冷凍廠商他們來釋出那這個東西就是由他們我們沒有辦法得到說他們的一個資料這個但是我們會去努力將我們自己能夠掌握的資訊能夠對外講\n那不管是國產的或是國外進口只要符合安全的我想對產地批次倉儲溫控紀錄這當然可以上網啊不是如果是我們自己生產的自己掌握的所以你對進口的你完全是沒有辦法掌握他的場地包括批次在他上到國內的哪個地方包括他在哪個倉儲的溫控紀錄現在是不可查以現在的管理法規\n那您覺得有沒有需要去建置呢這是對於你在疫情期間釋出的冷凍豬肉當中的食安透明度你認為不必要嗎沒關係你如果有必要就跟這對大眾說這個在冷凍豬肉的釋出當中是沒有是食安是一個空窗期的我們是不需要把它的產現在沒做未來也不需要做請部長再詳時延夜後國產的部分\n我們一定會有一個完整的溯源那國外進口的部分你要不要研議去建置呢沒有 國外進來的部分是衛福部他主責的國外進來是食品的部分那你覺得 本席要求你跟衛福部討論我們會跟衛福部溝通去對於在你疫情期間的食安透明度我意思講\n這個沒問題 對10萬的透明度就沒有問題謝謝部長 請將委員所提 詳時研議後給委員來做透明那您對於這個第二期的百億計畫其實只有68.82億您要不要請怎麼樣的要去跟行政院報告這件事情你今天就要馬上報告啦我想這個部分我們之前也在行政院溝通應該很快就會核下來的\n那你的做法我主張是到續產 復產基金喔生產效益 防疫安全 科學管理尤其科學管理不是只有防疫包括你租資的競爭力你的生產成本是導致你的價格是全球這個租價全球第二高你不覺得這是很丟臉的一件事情好 我們請部長因為時間的關係因為超過一半的時間這個你那麼認同在這個第二期的這樣的一個百億計畫當中\n在叫做素產復興計畫著重在生產效益防疫安全科學觀如果沒有你還是只有在廠租廠的現代化設備的投入你並不會對於你防疫跟科學管理跟生產效益當中你是沒有錢的你拿來的錢你沒有靠這筆錢你怎麼可以推動剛才本席所講的這個智慧管理呢\n好 謝謝林委員的發言我們也請農業部請將委員所提的詳詞給委員說明清楚我已經提醒了 我沒有意見主席我沒有意見我只是提醒部長\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:07.762 --> 00:19.258\n好有請部長我們再請陳部長好部長這個政策其實是要做預防\n\n00:21.178 --> 00:47.748\n是要预防危机的发生那这个本席呢是也只针对您今天的简报也就是一个非常短期中的短期的一个救急因应还没有看到你中长期的一个怎么的预防的机制好那所以呢我还是要讲一直倡议的叫做智慧管理决策要智慧管理\n\n00:48.328 --> 01:13.769\n那其實是從陳吉仲主委到您這個陳俊濟部長來講四年前本席就一直在倡議這個基因定序當中的重要性那它對於豬價的穩定對於防疫所有各養豬場的距向的掌握以及到你的一個生產力的提升\n\n01:14.750 --> 01:29.688\n成本的降低生產力的提升其實全部都可以避其功以役而且是24小時365天所以今天我還是回到從4年多前30年前開始倡議的藉著你這次非洲豬瘟的普查\n\n01:30.689 --> 01:58.901\n一定要結合生物安全資料庫也進而建立了穩定豬價的供應跟價格跟守住食安跟產業的信任豬價的穩定在上週的時候我說這個不是本席神預測現在從去年就在提醒說豬價一定會上漲您說你們會知道漲結果搞到今年我們豬價是全球第二高的國家\n\n01:59.981 --> 02:15.342\n好那所以呢這個防疫講回來說到防疫守了7年那這個東南亞少數能維持非疫情的國家你們也做了因應了但是這些因應當中該冷凍豬肉停止停止屠宰跟交易5天\n\n02:16.483 --> 02:43.943\n這表示什麼一件事情我們的市場供應鏈是非常脆弱實安的資料是分散的所以呢再次提醒你在上一週本席的警告租價的穩定不是短期的問題是結構的問題政府痛定思痛務必建立全國租資的生物安全資料掌握環境與生物風險變化才能在疫情\n\n02:44.983 --> 03:03.309\n價格食安三者找到平衡所以今天的重點是希望藉著與非洲豬瘟的普查整合變成系統性的長期防疫防線冷凍豬肉的調度跟食安好全國目前的冷凍豬肉的儲藏量是6.2噸每日的消費是9500噸只能撐6天\n\n03:08.971 --> 03:18.077\n所以呢這個您後續屠宰的時間如果延長了你的市場供應的供給一定是非常的緊急\n\n03:20.290 --> 03:39.728\n所以我在這邊有兩個要求第一個市場的冷凍豬肉來源結構你必須立即公開這個公開是在疫情情節的食安透明度最基本的社會新冷你要在48小時內明確的將這批冷凍豬肉的國產比例跟進口比例公開\n\n03:40.589 --> 04:05.231\n第二個產地批次與倉儲溫控紀錄是否可以上網可查其實這兩個如果你有在本席三四年前就開始建立起你的智慧決策的一個共用平台的話其實這些你隨時我隨時問隨時都可以答全國人民都可以看好那你不做\n\n04:06.431 --> 04:25.118\n那你就只好本席在這的要求這是在疫情期間食安透明度對社會最基本的信任要公開這兩項第二個在這個禁載期間供應減少導致批發價格我現在都講民生我現在是講人民不是講你講你這個農業部你的食安你的價格\n\n04:28.959 --> 04:49.069\n你的價格如果超過了10%你現在租價已是天價如果因為這一波進展之後你再上漲10%必須拜託兩件事情第一個冷凍儲備的釋出這你已經在做了請你也要啟動平易租價基金趕快的穩定市場價格\n\n04:51.050 --> 05:18.206\n不要把豬長期為農業部所苦也不要把豬變成行政團隊的包袱所以避免你只要市場的價格再次的變成讓民眾有恐慌性的採買這對現在的行政團隊又是雪上加霜所以綁上消費者保護農民的底線所以這邊是兩項要求再來\n\n05:20.014 --> 05:36.742\n建立普查能夠結合普查建立組織的生物安全資料庫非洲防疫不是的這個防疫非洲豬瘟的防疫不是靠臨時應變現在你們叫臨時應變這次全國的普查是建立起結構化資料的絕佳機會\n\n05:38.283 --> 06:00.951\n我再次再次的第二次的要求非洲豬瘟的普查結合全國豬隻生物安全資料庫的建設結合辦理具體三個第一個場居層級的資料第二個分子層級的監測第三資料整合與AI的預警你場居層級的資料由縣市防禦所協助採樣\n\n06:03.893 --> 06:09.540\n輔導具規模的中大型養豬場進行輔導記錄每座養豬場的環境倉庫倉庫你的溫濕度餵食來源進出人員場區消毒記錄建立數位防疫檔案\n\n06:19.172 --> 06:35.698\n這個如果你有做從三四年前本席的倡議到現在你有做你現在就不會現在查到幾天了黃金的兩天內三天內你到現在還查不出來你的溯源還查不出來數位防禦痛定思痛做起來吧\n\n06:36.098 --> 07:01.805\n我所謂中隊增大型台堂如果你你事先做台堂是最大宗台堂你先導入了這樣每座養豬場環境的參數的導入建立數位防疫的資料那中小型的那我們就變看啦因為如果連中小型本席的選區也有啊中小型要這樣要求下去進出人員場區的消毒劑他們做不來\n\n07:02.925 --> 07:30.580\n但是中大型你要先導入中小型的你試看他的狀況看什麼的要求第二個分子層級的監測國營事業台堂自先導入基因育種跟分子檢測以市場的機制提升豬隻產續產的生產效益跟安全性你的屠宰場端與樣區中對豬隻檢驗進行兩件事情分子菌向檢測跟結合生物晶片\n\n07:31.320 --> 07:41.930\n你百分百的掌握每隻豬啊豬隻環境的微生物豬的組成變化你怎麼可能還有疫情的發生\n\n07:42.898 --> 08:07.156\n你都會掌握這不僅能提前發現病毒的跡象而且用來追蹤環境污染跟抗藥性的菌株對未來食品安全管理奠定科學基礎都是建立在科學最後資料整合與AI預警由防菌署整合各縣市的防疫資料庫統一建立起株質健康環境檢測平台並以AI演算法監測\n\n08:08.797 --> 08:30.571\n異常菌群的變化自動發出預警所以依照歐盟食品安全局的報告導入了分子檢測也就上述這三件事情非洲豬瘟的再發率是下降42%這不是理論這是實證台灣應該成為亞洲第一個以菌向資料防疫的國家\n\n08:31.656 --> 08:56.369\n好再來講到價格價格與防疫是可以並行的從短期應變成長期的治理短期你穩定租價從冷凍調度跟平益基金平益基金是本席今天提出就長期穩定就還是一樣靠著資料科學與透明的決策建立租資生活安全資料庫之後你建立這個之後你可以有三件事情你就坐著\n\n08:57.049 --> 09:20.824\n吹冷氣做你這個部長就夠了第一個透過即時檢測你這個安全庫有做出來你透過即時檢測預測疫情對供應鏈的影響第二個你可以提早釋放冷凍庫存避免價格的劇烈波動第三個以資料驅動補助政策資料驅動補助政策連你的補助都在建立在數據之上\n\n09:22.585 --> 09:41.540\n針對高風險地區強化環境改善跟消毒設施這樣的系統能夠幫助地方政府掌握實際豬隻分布跟廚餘使用的狀況避免非法養豬或者不當廚餘流入市場從源頭穩定價格跟食安好再來防疫科學化\n\n09:42.441 --> 10:10.871\n守住食安重建人民的信任台灣已經防堵非洲豬瘟7年這呢防疫是長期戰豬價穩定是民生戰講好豬價穩定是民生戰防疫需要決心市場是需要制度的防我一再強調防疫不應該只是一時的禁止措施更應該建立長期的科學化結構的防線這邊短期長期我再次的要求\n\n10:11.511 --> 10:39.843\n容業部期許容業部從上禮拜本席的質詢之後您我在沒有要求兩個月內要建立豬隻安全資料庫並且今天我一併的再次強調與非洲豬瘟的普查一同實施到包括價格的波動你也有要求你了在冷凍庫包括你的評議基金那包括你這個豬掌握豬隻的分布跟廚餘的使用這都您在簡報當中都有講本席都認同\n\n10:40.743 --> 10:49.292\n未來結構性的防疫精進邊境的防堵持續的做落實的做百分百的X光檢驗率市場的管理這邊\n\n10:51.622 --> 11:17.308\n這個我也講了結合國際GSISummarize2027標準的推動這個Summarize是標標籤的一個國際化的一個組織好他2027年全球要推動就是像這個ISO等等的這樣類似這樣的一個標籤的一個全國全球的組織他要推動那我們就是配合配合做諸之圖宅導入QRcode\n\n11:19.555 --> 11:36.751\n確保租資流通的通訊透明可追溯這不就是也是AI管理智慧平台嗎人要做好租才能管好守住食安就是守住農業更是守住人民的信任好最後本席主張你們現在有一個基金\n\n11:38.109 --> 11:53.266\n在百億基金在去年就已經截止了你們呢在去年6月24就已經呈報行政院行政院到現在還沒核定這所謂的百億基金的第二期計畫那說百億也不到百億也不過68.8而已請農業部務必\n\n11:57.410 --> 12:13.980\n行政院本週核定第二期的百億計畫從去年到現在還沒核定一年了放在行政院長辦公室一年了所以你現在趕快的核定這第二期的這樣的一個68.82億的計畫但是我認為要更名叫什麼\n\n12:18.283 --> 12:40.780\n不叫做百億基金了百億基金它做在什麼它是在租場設備現代化在你們做了很多的補助這認同第二期這68.81或者你認為我認為都應該要增加預算叫做續產復興計畫著重三件事情生產效益防疫安全和科學管理好來以上部長你請回應\n\n12:42.967 --> 13:11.213\n我想非常謝謝委員的一些期許然後我個人對大部分的一定百分之百認同特別是您特別提到生物安全庫的資料的一個建立這是一個非常重要的對於我們後續的租場的這些管理跟有效的掌握那相關的郡巷的資料的一個部分那郡巷至於說哪些郡巷這個會回到專業去討論然後第三個就是透過這樣的方式做資料的整合跟AI的管理這個我想我百分之百認同那至於說\n\n13:12.193 --> 13:38.220\n冷凍豬肉的部分的國產跟國外的去公布因為這個東西都是不是政府購買的如果是政府購買一定百分之百公開但是我們是透過一些其他的冷凍工會冷凍廠商他們來釋出那這個東西就是由他們我們沒有辦法得到說他們的一個資料這個但是我們會去努力將我們自己能夠掌握的資訊能夠對外講\n\n13:39.460 --> 14:06.837\n那不管是國產的或是國外進口只要符合安全的我想對產地批次倉儲溫控紀錄這當然可以上網啊不是如果是我們自己生產的自己掌握的所以你對進口的你完全是沒有辦法掌握他的場地包括批次在他上到國內的哪個地方包括他在哪個倉儲的溫控紀錄現在是不可查以現在的管理法規\n\n14:07.557 --> 14:33.013\n那您覺得有沒有需要去建置呢這是對於你在疫情期間釋出的冷凍豬肉當中的食安透明度你認為不必要嗎沒關係你如果有必要就跟這對大眾說這個在冷凍豬肉的釋出當中是沒有是食安是一個空窗期的我們是不需要把它的產現在沒做未來也不需要做請部長再詳時延夜後國產的部分\n\n14:37.255 --> 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SunRise 2027標準的推動，Sunrise是一個有關標籤的國際化組織，好，他在2027年全球要推動就像ISO等等的，類似這樣一個標籤的全球性組織要推動，那我們就是配合做。豬隻屠宰導入QR code，確保豬隻流通的通訊透明可追溯，這不就是也是AI管理智慧平臺嗎？人要做好，豬才能管好，守住食安，就是守住農業，更是守住人民的信任。","最後，你們現在有一個基金（百億基金）在去年就已經截止，你們在去年6月24日就已經陳報行政院，行政院到現在還沒核定這所謂百億基金的第二期計畫。說百億也不到百億，也不過68.82億，農業部務必請行政院本週核定第二期的百億計畫。從去年到現在還沒核定，一年了，放在行政院長辦公室一年了，所以你現在請趕快核定這第二期的68.82億的計畫。但是我認為要更名叫什麼？不叫做百億基金了，百億基金在做什麼？它是在做豬場設備現代化，這部分你們做了很多的補助，這個我認同。第二期這68.8億，甚至我認為都應該要增加預算，應該叫做「畜產復興計畫」，著重三件事情：生產效益、防疫安全跟科學管理。來，以上請部長回應。"],["陳部長駿季：非常謝謝委員的一些期許，我個人對大部分的一定百分之百認同，尤其是您特別提到生物安全庫的資料建立，這是非常重要的，對於我們後續豬場管理跟有效掌握相關菌相資料……至於說哪些菌相，這個會回到專業去討論。然後第三個就是透過這樣的方式做資料的整合跟AI的管理，這個我百分之百認同。至於說公布國產跟國外的冷凍豬肉這部分，因為這個東西都不是政府購買的，如果是政府購買，一定百分之百公開，但是我們是透過一些其他的冷凍公會、冷凍廠商來釋出，這個東西就是由他們……我們沒有辦法得到他們的資料，但是我們會努力，將我們自己能夠掌握的資訊對外講，不管是國產的或是國外進口的，只要符合安全的要求，我想對消費者都……"],["林委員岱樺：產地、批次、倉儲、溫控紀錄，這當然可以上網啊！"],["陳部長駿季：不是，如果是我們自己生產的、自己掌握的一定可以……"],["林委員岱樺：所以對於進口的，你完全沒有辦法掌握它的場地，包括批次以及散到國內哪個地方，包括在哪個倉儲的溫控紀錄，現在是不可查？"],["陳部長駿季：以現在的管理法規跟現在的制度沒辦法。"],["林委員岱樺：好。那您覺得有沒有需要去建置呢？對於你在疫情期間釋出的冷凍豬肉當中的食安透明度，你認為不必要嗎？如果……"],["陳部長駿季：我想國產的部分……"],["林委員岱樺：沒關係，你如果認為不必要，就對大眾說在冷凍豬肉釋出的當中是一個食安的空窗期，我們不需要把它的產……現在沒做未來也不需要做……"],["主席：請部長翔實研議後再給委員說明清楚，謝謝。"],["陳部長駿季：我沒有這樣講，報告委員，我沒有這樣講。我是說國產的部分，我們一定會有完整的溯源，那國外進口的部分……"],["林委員岱樺：你要不要研議去建置呢？"],["陳部長駿季：沒有，國外進來的部分是衛福部主責的，國外進來是食品的部分……"],["林委員岱樺：好，那你覺得……"],["陳部長駿季：所以國產的部分我們會努力……"],["林委員岱樺：那本席要求你跟衛福部討論……"],["陳部長駿季：我們會跟衛福部溝通。"],["林委員岱樺：對於疫情期間的食安透明度，我一直講疫情期間的食安……"],["陳部長駿季：這個沒問題，食安的透明度絕對沒有問題，我們會跟衛福部來努力。"],["主席：好，謝謝部長，請將委員所提翔實研議後給委員說明。謝謝。"],["陳部長駿季：好。"],["林委員岱樺：對於第二期的百億計畫，其實只有68.82億，您要怎麼樣去跟行政院報告這件事情？"],["陳部長駿季：我想……"],["林委員岱樺：你今天就要馬上報告啦！"],["陳部長駿季：這個部分我們之前也在跟行政院溝通，應該很快就會核下來了。"],["林委員岱樺：那你的作法呢？我是主張叫做「畜產復興基金」喔，應著重於生產效益、防疫安全、科學管理，尤其科學管理不是只有防疫，包括你豬隻的競爭力，你的生產成本導致你的豬價是全球第二高，你不覺得這是很丟臉的一件事情嗎？"],["主席：好，我們請部長，因為時間的關係，因為超過一倍以上的時間了。"],["林委員岱樺：您認不認同第二期的百億計畫應該叫做畜產復興計畫，應著重在生產效益、防疫安全、科學管理？如果沒有，還是只有在豬場的現代化設備的投入，對於防疫跟科學管理跟生產效益這部分你是沒有錢的，你哪來的錢？你沒有靠這筆錢，你怎麼可以推動剛才本席所講的智慧管理呢？不可能的嘛！"],["陳部長駿季：我們會努力朝這個方向來做，但是基金有基金的……"],["主席：好，謝謝林委員的發言，我們也請農業部針對委員所提的，翔實給委員說明清楚。謝謝。"],["林委員岱樺：好，我已經提醒了，我沒有意見。","主席，我沒有意見，我只是提醒部長。"],["主席：好，謝謝。接下來我們請鄭天財委員，請詢答。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":60,"meet_id":"委員會-11-4-19-7","speakers":["楊瓊瓔","邱議瑩","林岱樺","鄭天財Sra 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