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00:03:00,301\n入境的人數大概只有398萬人因為那時候大概有疫情沒有問題到現在的時候已經有了2494萬人入境人數包括我們國人的部分因為我們入境都必須要有這樣子的一個檢疫對不對可是我們現在的那個\n\n8\n00:03:01,682 --> 00:03:15,467\n檢疫犬的部分的時候還是只有56組工作量成長了已經快要8倍左右的狀態這種狀態的時候我想請問一下我們現在檢疫犬它的一個檢疫覆蓋率大概有多高\n\n9\n00:03:16,584 --> 00:03:46,304\n我跟委員報告我們的所有的邊境的檢查那檢疫權是一個輔助的作為理解他不是用這個部分最主要是用X光機那我們在X光機的判斷是百分之百嗎我有看到這個數字一個重要的就是X光機我們現在希望包括光務組包括中研院都有合作就是讓他用AI更精準的判試的時候那相對的那個檢出的準確率越來越高然後檢疫權是在做這個邊境的部分的一些通道的部分有沒有\n\n10\n00:03:46,944 --> 00:04:15,551\n特別是要出關的時候其他的輔助嘛那因為我們現在之前沒有問題的時候我們可能也覺得這樣也許夠可是問題現在碰到的狀態我們就希望不要有百密一疏的情況所以針對檢疫犬這個部分的時候我們是不是有需要要增加已經有因為檢疫犬需要培訓然後最近我們現在也一直不斷的確認然後從美國的部分這邊然後還有其他的公務署這邊也在協助一起來協助把這個檢疫犬輔助的作為能夠增加\n\n11\n00:04:16,272 --> 00:04:23,220\n預計能夠增加多少組多少多快的時間\n\n12\n00:04:25,066 --> 00:04:33,269\n沒有我想這算是整個公讓權我想我們回去再做仔細的評估好那針對這個部分的時候因為我想從109年就只有56組那時候只有398萬入境人數現在到113年已經到了2494萬入境人數的時候我就還只剩下56組我就顯然不合理那之後我們檢疫權的一個人數\n\n13\n00:04:47,176 --> 00:04:55,696\n犬數要怎麼樣增加再給本席很清楚的一個資料我只是再補充一下我們在對非洲豬瘟的控管裡面有分國家分為\n\n14\n00:04:56,894 --> 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我想請一下農業部陳部長我們再請陳部長部長好我想說碰到這個非洲豬瘟的個案狀態其實我們一定是非常的擔心可是防疫是同作戰我在想說我們在經濟委員會我們都很務實我們在想怎麼樣子能夠解決問題而不是在打口水\n所以我想說一開始我一定要特別提到說最近在網路上有很多的風向在特別在講說因為藍白三預算沒宣費的時候然後才產生非洲豬瘟我覺得這完全是莫名其妙因為你剛剛有特別提到說這個非洲豬瘟他不可能從台灣自己生起來他一定是外來的對不對所以邊境的一個\n儘管檢驗一定是最重要的是不是是嘛對不對所以說我在這邊要特別提到我就說事實上我們在今年的追加預算當中的時候張總預算追加預算當中的時候其實包括民進黨在內是三黨有共識針對於這個沒宣費的問題是三黨有共識的所以我就在這邊就不要再去考慮什麼沒宣費然後要去帶風向去什麼抹黑在野黨的狀態我覺得這真的是不需要\n我們現在看到網路上面有很多的網軍就開始在帶風向我覺得這真的是莫名其妙的事情完全沒有把真正的問題點看出來那現在我們就特別看到的狀態就是說既然部長剛剛也特別提到非洲軍一定是外來的至於說他是怎麼樣的產生你剛剛提到說也許有很多可能性包括人體可能會帶進來對不對他都有很多的可能性所以我們的邊境的管控絕對是最重要的\n那我這邊我就先問一個問題事實上在那個我們從109年的時候我們整個那個疫檢的全組總共有多少109年的時候檢疫全組\n現在56組嘛對不對其實在109年的時候只有50組從109年前是50組那麼109年開始有56組我給你們看一個數字109年的時候我們的一個就是\n入境的人數大概只有398萬人因為那時候大概有疫情沒有問題到現在的時候已經有了2494萬人入境人數包括我們國人的部分因為我們入境都必須要有這樣子的一個檢疫對不對可是我們現在的那個\n檢疫犬的部分的時候還是只有56組工作量成長了已經快要8倍左右的狀態這種狀態的時候我想請問一下我們現在檢疫犬它的一個檢疫覆蓋率大概有多高\n我跟委員報告我們的所有的邊境的檢查那檢疫權是一個輔助的作為理解他不是用這個部分最主要是用X光機那我們在X光機的判斷是百分之百嗎我有看到這個數字一個重要的就是X光機我們現在希望包括光務組包括中研院都有合作就是讓他用AI更精準的判試的時候那相對的那個檢出的準確率越來越高然後檢疫權是在做這個邊境的部分的一些通道的部分有沒有\n特別是要出關的時候其他的輔助嘛那因為我們現在之前沒有問題的時候我們可能也覺得這樣也許夠可是問題現在碰到的狀態我們就希望不要有百密一疏的情況所以針對檢疫犬這個部分的時候我們是不是有需要要增加已經有因為檢疫犬需要培訓然後最近我們現在也一直不斷的確認然後從美國的部分這邊然後還有其他的公務署這邊也在協助一起來協助把這個檢疫犬輔助的作為能夠增加\n預計能夠增加多少組多少多快的時間\n沒有 我想這算是整個公讓權我想我們回去再做仔細的評估好 那針對這個部分的時候因為我想從109年就只有56組那時候只有398萬入境人數現在到113年已經到了2494萬入境人數的時候我就還只剩下56組我就顯然不合理那之後我們檢疫權的一個人數\n犬數要怎麼樣增加再給本席很清楚的一個資料我只是再補充一下我們在對非洲豬瘟的控管裡面有分國家分為\n高風險跟低風險 理解這個部分我們都知道所以旅客也分流了以後 理解理解這個只要有入境的人大概都知道這個地方先不用特別講因為時間有限那我要特別講到因為在這一次整個的一個非洲豬的事件當中大家對於廚餘的問題其實就非常的有感因為目前感覺上好像是廚餘這邊導致的一個問題那我這邊要特別提到就像我也不想很口水的去講說其實張立善在就是2018年當縣長\n他那時候就特別提到要敬畏廚餘可是當時的一個行政院長賴清德他其實是表示反對的那我不想口水講這個事情可是我只是想要講說廚餘這個問題因為目前只有8%的\n株枝是用廚餘的部分剛剛有特別提到46萬頭那我想請教一下針對現在我們要用廚餘的部分都必須要有高溫蒸煮的一個情況請問這個部分有沒有真正的落實\n我想我們的每一個高溫蒸煮廠本身它的中心溫度90度C一個小時我們都有資料就是去看它的溫度計然後把這個影像回溯環境部的部分回溯到環境部的後面的資料那我們會去檢查\n因為當時賴清德當行政院長他那時候表示說因為用廚餘養豬有時候是因為成本的一個考量所以針對這個部分的時候呢你如果說要90度要高溫蒸煮一個小時以上的部分的時候我在想說很多這樣子的養豬廠他們會不會為了要控制成本而沒有真正的去落實去達到而且你如果是高溫蒸煮一個小時通常其實廚餘會有很難聞的味道可能周邊的\n那個也會有一些抱怨所以我在認為我們對於高溫真主這件事情如果沒有辦法真正有效的落實的時候是不是就全面的禁止廚餘餵養\n我想要不要用廚餘我們後續會滾動檢討但是一個非常重要的就是你如果要用廚餘的話我們所使用的廚餘的相關的規範是一個安全的那現在重要的就是我們一定要去加強監管的部分是非常重要那我剛才說的廚餘養豬的這些溫度計有沒有他是有影像攝影去判試的然後會回報所以一定會加強監管\n有完整的規範本席認為以台灣的法律體系一定會有問題是如何去落實去這件事情我覺得是最重要的好不好那我們希望大家一起中央地方一起合力來解決這次非洲豬瘟的一個挑戰好不好好 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