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00:02:44,746\n我們要完善我們的整個的疫警徵喉的判斷而不是單純的在看他這個內部人事的動盪而已好那這部分也請我們國防部跟我們情報單位能夠持續的掌握了解這個解放軍內部情形及相關的動態這應該是對我們國防部最為重要的一個部分那另外在我們這個新式的武器籌貨方面\n\n8\n00:02:46,127 --> 00:03:13,100\n我們首批的海馬士多管火箭系統以及M1A2T戰車都在去年運離台灣其中海馬士已經在7月正式成軍但是在戰車的部分只有公開實彈射擊的操演我想請教部長第一個M1A2T作戰單位的成軍我們是否已經有掌握到確切的時間點\n\n9\n00:03:15,021 --> 00:03:35,940\n我們第一個贏的這個陳軍的典禮是我們會在10月31號因為他在接受這個戰力車運之後那正式陳軍在10月31號會舉行一個陳軍典禮戰車的部分M1A2就是10月31號對\n\n10\n00:03:37,822 --> 00:04:01,531\n好那另外我們在7月份戰車實彈射擊當天有靜態的展示我們衰兵用的穿甲彈當時引發一陣討論但是在美國所公布的軍售方案當中並沒有這款彈藥我想請教我們部長國防部在後續是否會有另外購得這款彈藥\n\n11\n00:04:02,751 --> 00:04:11,111\n的這個可能還是已經在構置其他的這個穿甲彈考量或是相關的規劃\n\n12\n00:04:12,265 --> 00:04:38,605\n向委員報告我們在這個瑞捷專案裡面隨裝我們也構置了有六型的包含到這些高爆彈還有一吻脫殼的穿甲彈那這些都依照我們的這個交裝的期程來實施交運那也都有到已經到隨著要成軍的單位也都入庫了\n\n13\n00:04:39,085 --> 00:04:49,318\n那在后续的部分因为还会有社讯上面的需求不管是练习弹或是实弹穿甲弹也都有纳入后续的后围的持续采购规划\n\n14\n00:04:51,984 --> 00:05:08,530\n我們也看到國防部預算在去年底所提出的不對稱作戰的特別預算將會分七年來編列但實際的規模應該還沒有定案由於特別預算會有多項軍購同步進行我們對美軍\n\n15\n00:05:14,879 --> 00:05:32,728\n對美國的軍購又高度的仰賴美國政府的參與針對這個部分我想還是請教部長美國政府目前處於停擺的狀況什麼時候會恢復運作還不曉得這件事情對我們軍購案的執行有沒有具體的影響\n\n16\n00:05:35,527 --> 00:06:03,402\n如果是已經執行了執行中的就是說這個軍購案的部分因為他還是說必須要劃分必要跟非必要人員如果是必要人員還是要來上班那這個必要人員就包括了軍人所以執行中的這個軍購案我想是政府跟政府之間的\n\n17\n00:06:04,284 --> 00:06:16,965\n也跟組合業上完整合約簽署那這個美軍這個他本身會對這個各軍購案執行中的軍購案項成立專案管理辦公室所以這個部分是不會有影響\n\n18\n00:06:17,955 --> 00:06:39,299\n那我想還在談的這個部分我們會密切關注他的這個情況就是說我們現在要提出來然後正在執行這些這個雙方來進行相關的一些購案的必要程序這個部分我們會來持續密注他們的這個聯邦機構的這個狀況\n\n19\n00:06:45,340 --> 00:07:01,577\n就是執行中的這個還會正常的運行對已經執行中的應該那只是在洽談中的洽談中或是還沒有執行的軍購案的這個應該要走一定的程序這個部分我們會來一直不斷的持續跟他們來進行討論\n\n20\n00:07:03,939 --> 00:07:31,006\n好這部分再請我們國防部再繼續追蹤那我們戴總統在國慶演說上也宣誓要打造我們這個台灣之盾那固然是我國防接下來非常重要的一個政策也牽涉到我們這個防空武器的這個籌貨和系統整合所以也看到國防部即將納入在接下來要提出的這個特別預算當中不過\n\n21\n00:07:31,886 --> 00:07:45,981\n我們要面對的是共軍打造低成本的遠程火箭炮能夠從福建沿海直接攻擊到台灣由於會大量消耗我方的防空戰力也可能會造成嚴重的威脅\n\n22\n00:07:47,284 --> 00:08:14,396\n那我方似乎還沒有很好的一個這個應對的方案那我想再請教部長就是台灣之盾會是我們應對共軍遠程火箭炮的一個這個解方嗎還是我們國防部有其他好的這個策略來因應我想總統提到的這個台灣之盾他最重要就是說我們要整合各式的整合政策器\n\n23\n00:08:15,480 --> 00:08:36,979\n這個所謂的Sensor然後到各式的這個Shooter就是各式的防空武器那麼雙方整合那麼透過一個鏈結之後我們形成一個擊殺網那所以這個鏈結各式的這些偵測器融會為各種武器形成的這個擊殺網當然是有\n\n24\n00:08:39,421 --> 00:09:00,677\n是全方位的多層的然後是這樣的一個整體飛彈防禦系統那反制遠程火箭作戰應用的策略跟系統結構當然是我們重要的一個建軍的方向不過現在因為相關的部分還失策集明我想就可能不方便在這裡公開好\n\n25\n00:09:04,220 --> 00:09:28,740\n日前我們國防部中副部長到美國出席國防會議的時候在接受訪問也有提到我們國防部必須整合現有的防護系統以及直通訊系統也與美方討論具體的合作方案希望能夠幫忙來整合台灣相關的防空系統\n\n26\n00:09:29,921 --> 00:09:56,892\n那對於這個防空系統的整合我們中科院與這個美商合作開發的這個IBCS整體作戰指揮系統是否已經啟動而我們是否已經得到美方具體的一個承諾將會來協助我們整合有沒有這個可能委員問的是指中科院跟那個美商洛格公司的那我想這個部分\n\n27\n00:09:58,833 --> 00:10:16,509\n就由中科院來回答我們在九月份已經簽署了合作備忘錄這個備忘錄的內容就是針對美制和台制防空系統來進行整合那因為雙方簽有保密協議所以相關洽談的內容是已經在進行中但是我們不方便對外公開進行中\n\n28\n00:10:17,854 --> 00:10:38,239\n我想還是跟委員補充一下有關整個飛彈防禦系統的整合應該是台美共同努力的目標啦我們這個部分如果有具體成果再跟委員做個說明好那另外對於這個無人機的運用無人機的運用我們已經討論一段時間了也是很多這個\n\n29\n00:10:39,899 --> 00:11:06,483\n民眾在關心的一個議題我們看到這次這個國防部的這個夜報當中特別提到在各作戰區我們將依任務的特性及這個戰術的運用配附各型的無人機並新增無人機大隊那我想請教我們陸軍對於這個無人機大隊的這個架構及邊桩是否有能夠公開說明的這個部分\n\n30\n00:11:08,305 --> 00:11:21,303\n像委員報告我們這個依照剛剛業務報告裡面各作戰區編設的無人機大隊那我們是現在已經開始在依照他主要還是要依據我們整個\n\n31\n00:11:22,344 --> 00:11:37,152\n武器或裝備獲得的期程來依照節點來編程那我們是管制在明年7月以前來全部完成成編那至於細部的編組規劃下去可以到委員辦公室向您做說明好\n\n32\n00:11:38,453 --> 00:12:05,111\n那相對來說我們對於這個無人機的這個大隊的建制應該也要了解到這個敵方在無人機上所擁有的相關資源我們對於這個共軍目前無人機服役的情形以及他部署的這個規模還有資源相對較少的情況下我想請教我們部長那對於這個共軍無人機的這個編組尤其是對台灣\n\n33\n00:12:07,214 --> 00:12:24,793\n的威脅還有它攻擊型的這個無人機它的規模以及數量我們國防部有沒有相關掌握的情質跟委員報告整體的這個防空的防禦這個防禦系統事實上就要包括反彈反擊跟反無人機\n\n34\n00:12:26,134 --> 00:12:44,204\n所以我想我們對於相關無人機也會有一定的規劃那在我們的要提做特別預算裡面也會有就反制無人機的這個部分來做一個規劃然後也納入我們整體防空裡面的一環\n\n35\n00:12:45,560 --> 00:13:00,116\n好對共軍的無人機狀況我們有沒有掌握對我們當然我們的相關的這些單位都會就中國的無人機的一個發展都有一個綿密的一個\n\n36\n00:13:03,019 --> 00:13:22,891\n收住跟延期目前無人機的操作人員還沒有專門加急隨著我們各部隊接裝之後無人機操作的人力需求也應當會隨之提升\n\n37\n00:13:23,752 --> 00:13:39,100\n那如果接下來要鼓勵更多的人才能夠來學習操作這個無人機我們也要鼓勵專業人員能夠長留人才長留久用那國防部有沒有研議對於這個無人機的這個飛手也納入相關的這個加急的可能\n\n38\n00:13:40,719 --> 00:13:53,489\n首先第一個就是說因應組織變裝的調整我們要將這個戰鬥部隊的定義要做一些調修那所以無人機大隊應該也是戰鬥部隊裡面的一環所以他可以領戰鬥部隊加級\n\n39\n00:13:55,236 --> 00:14:24,553\n那至於有沒有另外要針對這個在另外的家我想這個必須要整體要來考量研議因為每一個人都會有操作相關的這些高專的這個部分那所以這些部分的加急要做一個整通盤的規劃我們要留人才我想這個部分應該國防部要去審慎的這個評估應該適當的加急就要加急\n\n40\n00:14:26,101 --> 00:14:26,565\n好以上謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n109\t10352\t先前這個共軍的動態和部長討論過了那過去在談這個共軍犯台的可能時間點的時候往往會參考這個戴維生窗口所指涉的這個2027年\n24540\t41053\t的部分但是最近這個美國總統川普在受訪的時候他認為這個中國打算在2027年入侵台灣的部分他認為是不可能那近期這個解放軍內部高層的\n43123\t61896\t狀況動盪不安過去在市中全會召開的時候包括中央軍委副主席何衛東還有前政工部主任苗華以及東部戰區司令林向陽等9名上將被開除黨籍\n63223\t91686\t國安局先前也透露有半數以上的上將超過半年沒有露臉實際上被整肅的人數有可能更多那解放軍內部的整肅清洗尤其涉及到負責台灣的軍方高層部長怎麼評估他們對於共軍的整備以及對於台灣作戰的相關影響有沒有觀察到共軍任何異常的跡象\n93908\t110348\t我們是來看整個徵喉還有共軍隊進行的相關的一些演訓活動來做一個分析我們觀察共軍隊台還是維持常態的\n111169\t137704\t一個戰演訓的活動沒有異常的現象那而且他的軍事壓迫跟洗腦的這個狀況也沒有因為何衛東林向陽等等對台作戰的這些重要成員的落馬有所影響所以我想我們呃國防部還是會掌掌握這個就是應用多元的管道跟聯合勤進手段來持續來掌握相關的這個敵情變化我我們\n138644\t164746\t我們要完善我們的整個的疫警徵喉的判斷而不是單純的在看他這個內部人事的動盪而已好 那這部分也請我們國防部跟我們情報單位能夠持續的掌握了解這個解放軍內部情形及相關的動態這應該是對我們國防部最為重要的一個部分那另外在我們這個新式的武器籌貨方面\n166127\t193100\t我們首批的海馬士多管火箭系統以及M1A2T戰車都在去年運離台灣其中海馬士已經在7月正式成軍但是在戰車的部分只有公開實彈射擊的操演我想請教部長第一個M1A2T作戰單位的成軍我們是否已經有掌握到確切的時間點\n195021\t215940\t我們第一個贏的這個陳軍的典禮是我們會在10月31號因為他在接受這個戰力車運之後那正式陳軍在10月31號會舉行一個陳軍典禮戰車的部分M1A2就是10月31號對\n217822\t241531\t好 那另外我們在7月份戰車實彈射擊當天有靜態的展示我們衰兵用的穿甲彈當時引發一陣討論但是在美國所公布的軍售方案當中並沒有這款彈藥我想請教我們部長國防部在後續是否會有另外購得這款彈藥\n242751\t251111\t的這個可能還是已經在構置其他的這個穿甲彈考量或是相關的規劃\n252265\t278605\t向委員報告我們在這個瑞捷專案裡面隨裝我們也構置了有六型的包含到這些高爆彈還有一吻脫殼的穿甲彈那這些都依照我們的這個交裝的期程來實施交運那也都有到已經到隨著要成軍的單位也都入庫了\n279085\t289318\t那在后续的部分因为还会有社讯上面的需求不管是练习弹或是实弹穿甲弹也都有纳入后续的后围的持续采购规划\n291984\t308530\t我們也看到國防部預算在去年底所提出的不對稱作戰的特別預算將會分七年來編列但實際的規模應該還沒有定案由於特別預算會有多項軍購同步進行我們對美軍\n314879\t332728\t對美國的軍購又高度的仰賴美國政府的參與針對這個部分我想還是請教部長美國政府目前處於停擺的狀況什麼時候會恢復運作還不曉得這件事情對我們軍購案的執行有沒有具體的影響\n335527\t363402\t如果是已經執行了執行中的就是說這個軍購案的部分因為他還是說必須要劃分必要跟非必要人員如果是必要人員還是要來上班那這個必要人員就包括了軍人所以執行中的這個軍購案我想是政府跟政府之間的\n364284\t376965\t也跟組合業上完整合約簽署那這個美軍這個他本身會對這個各軍購案執行中的軍購案項成立專案管理辦公室所以這個部分是不會有影響\n377955\t399299\t那我想還在談的這個部分我們會密切關注他的這個情況就是說我們現在要提出來然後正在執行這些這個雙方來進行相關的一些購案的必要程序這個部分我們會來持續密注他們的這個聯邦機構的這個狀況\n405340\t421577\t就是執行中的這個還會正常的運行對 已經執行中的應該那只是在洽談中的洽談中或是還沒有執行的軍購案的這個應該要走一定的程序這個部分我們會來一直不斷的持續跟他們來進行討論\n423939\t451006\t好 這部分再請我們國防部再繼續追蹤那我們戴總統在國慶演說上也宣誓要打造我們這個台灣之盾那固然是我國防接下來非常重要的一個政策也牽涉到我們這個防空武器的這個籌貨和系統整合所以也看到國防部即將納入在接下來要提出的這個特別預算當中不過\n451886\t465981\t我們要面對的是共軍打造低成本的遠程火箭炮能夠從福建沿海直接攻擊到台灣由於會大量消耗我方的防空戰力也可能會造成嚴重的威脅\n467284\t494396\t那我方似乎還沒有很好的一個這個應對的方案那我想再請教部長就是台灣之盾會是我們應對共軍遠程火箭炮的一個這個解方嗎還是我們國防部有其他好的這個策略來因應我想總統提到的這個台灣之盾他最重要就是說我們要整合各式的整合政策器\n495480\t516979\t這個所謂的Sensor然後到各式的這個Shooter就是各式的防空武器那麼雙方整合那麼透過一個鏈結之後我們形成一個擊殺網那所以這個鏈結各式的這些偵測器融會為各種武器形成的這個擊殺網當然是有\n519421\t540677\t是全方位的多層的然後是這樣的一個整體飛彈防禦系統那反制遠程火箭作戰應用的策略跟系統結構當然是我們重要的一個建軍的方向不過現在因為相關的部分還失策集明我想就可能不方便在這裡公開好\n544220\t568740\t日前我們國防部中副部長到美國出席國防會議的時候在接受訪問也有提到我們國防部必須整合現有的防護系統以及直通訊系統也與美方討論具體的合作方案希望能夠幫忙來整合台灣相關的防空系統\n569921\t596892\t那對於這個防空系統的整合我們中科院與這個美商合作開發的這個IBCS整體作戰指揮系統是否已經啟動而我們是否已經得到美方具體的一個承諾將會來協助我們整合有沒有這個可能委員問的是指中科院跟那個美商洛格公司的那我想這個部分\n598833\t616509\t就由中科院來回答我們在九月份已經簽署了合作備忘錄這個備忘錄的內容就是針對美制和台制防空系統來進行整合那因為雙方簽有保密協議所以相關洽談的內容是已經在進行中但是我們不方便對外公開進行中\n617854\t638239\t我想還是跟委員補充一下有關整個飛彈防禦系統的整合應該是台美共同努力的目標啦我們這個部分如果有具體成果再跟委員做個說明好那另外對於這個無人機的運用無人機的運用我們已經討論一段時間了也是很多這個\n639899\t666483\t民眾在關心的一個議題我們看到這次這個國防部的這個夜報當中特別提到在各作戰區我們將依任務的特性及這個戰術的運用配附各型的無人機並新增無人機大隊那我想請教我們陸軍對於這個無人機大隊的這個架構及邊桩是否有能夠公開說明的這個部分\n668305\t681303\t像委員報告我們這個依照剛剛業務報告裡面各作戰區編設的無人機大隊那我們是現在已經開始在依照他主要還是要依據我們整個\n682344\t697152\t武器或裝備獲得的期程來依照節點來編程那我們是管制在明年7月以前來全部完成成編那至於細部的編組規劃下去可以到委員辦公室向您做說明好\n698453\t725111\t那相對來說我們對於這個無人機的這個大隊的建制應該也要了解到這個敵方在無人機上所擁有的相關資源我們對於這個共軍目前無人機服役的情形以及他部署的這個規模還有資源相對較少的情況下我想請教我們部長那對於這個共軍無人機的這個編組尤其是對台灣\n727214\t744793\t的威脅還有它攻擊型的這個無人機它的規模以及數量我們國防部有沒有相關掌握的情質跟委員報告整體的這個防空的防禦這個防禦系統事實上就要包括反彈反擊跟反無人機\n746134\t764204\t所以我想我們對於相關無人機也會有一定的規劃那在我們的要提做特別預算裡面也會有就反制無人機的這個部分來做一個規劃然後也納入我們整體防空裡面的一環\n765560\t780116\t好 對共軍的無人機狀況我們有沒有掌握對 我們當然我們的相關的這些單位都會就中國的無人機的一個發展都有一個綿密的一個\n783019\t802891\t收住跟延期目前無人機的操作人員還沒有專門加急隨著我們各部隊接裝之後無人機操作的人力需求也應當會隨之提升\n803752\t819100\t那如果接下來要鼓勵更多的人才能夠來學習操作這個無人機我們也要鼓勵專業人員能夠長留人才 長留久用那國防部有沒有研議對於這個無人機的這個飛手也納入相關的這個加急的可能\n820719\t833489\t首先第一個就是說因應組織變裝的調整我們要將這個戰鬥部隊的定義要做一些調修那所以無人機大隊應該也是戰鬥部隊裡面的一環所以他可以領戰鬥部隊加級\n835236\t864553\t那至於有沒有另外要針對這個在另外的家我想這個必須要整體要來考量研議因為每一個人都會有操作相關的這些高專的這個部分那所以這些部分的加急要做一個整通盤的規劃我們要留人才我想這個部分應該國防部要去審慎的這個評估應該適當的加急就要加急\n866101\t866565\t好 以上謝謝\n","txt":"先前這個共軍的動態和部長討論過了那過去在談這個共軍犯台的可能時間點的時候往往會參考這個戴維生窗口所指涉的這個2027年\n的部分但是最近這個美國總統川普在受訪的時候他認為這個中國打算在2027年入侵台灣的部分他認為是不可能那近期這個解放軍內部高層的\n狀況動盪不安過去在市中全會召開的時候包括中央軍委副主席何衛東還有前政工部主任苗華以及東部戰區司令林向陽等9名上將被開除黨籍\n國安局先前也透露有半數以上的上將超過半年沒有露臉實際上被整肅的人數有可能更多那解放軍內部的整肅清洗尤其涉及到負責台灣的軍方高層部長怎麼評估他們對於共軍的整備以及對於台灣作戰的相關影響有沒有觀察到共軍任何異常的跡象\n我們是來看整個徵喉還有共軍隊進行的相關的一些演訓活動來做一個分析我們觀察共軍隊台還是維持常態的\n一個戰演訓的活動沒有異常的現象那而且他的軍事壓迫跟洗腦的這個狀況也沒有因為何衛東林向陽等等對台作戰的這些重要成員的落馬有所影響所以我想我們呃國防部還是會掌掌握這個就是應用多元的管道跟聯合勤進手段來持續來掌握相關的這個敵情變化我我們\n我們要完善我們的整個的疫警徵喉的判斷而不是單純的在看他這個內部人事的動盪而已好 那這部分也請我們國防部跟我們情報單位能夠持續的掌握了解這個解放軍內部情形及相關的動態這應該是對我們國防部最為重要的一個部分那另外在我們這個新式的武器籌貨方面\n我們首批的海馬士多管火箭系統以及M1A2T戰車都在去年運離台灣其中海馬士已經在7月正式成軍但是在戰車的部分只有公開實彈射擊的操演我想請教部長第一個M1A2T作戰單位的成軍我們是否已經有掌握到確切的時間點\n我們第一個贏的這個陳軍的典禮是我們會在10月31號因為他在接受這個戰力車運之後那正式陳軍在10月31號會舉行一個陳軍典禮戰車的部分M1A2就是10月31號對\n好 那另外我們在7月份戰車實彈射擊當天有靜態的展示我們衰兵用的穿甲彈當時引發一陣討論但是在美國所公布的軍售方案當中並沒有這款彈藥我想請教我們部長國防部在後續是否會有另外購得這款彈藥\n的這個可能還是已經在構置其他的這個穿甲彈考量或是相關的規劃\n向委員報告我們在這個瑞捷專案裡面隨裝我們也構置了有六型的包含到這些高爆彈還有一吻脫殼的穿甲彈那這些都依照我們的這個交裝的期程來實施交運那也都有到已經到隨著要成軍的單位也都入庫了\n那在后续的部分因为还会有社讯上面的需求不管是练习弹或是实弹穿甲弹也都有纳入后续的后围的持续采购规划\n我們也看到國防部預算在去年底所提出的不對稱作戰的特別預算將會分七年來編列但實際的規模應該還沒有定案由於特別預算會有多項軍購同步進行我們對美軍\n對美國的軍購又高度的仰賴美國政府的參與針對這個部分我想還是請教部長美國政府目前處於停擺的狀況什麼時候會恢復運作還不曉得這件事情對我們軍購案的執行有沒有具體的影響\n如果是已經執行了執行中的就是說這個軍購案的部分因為他還是說必須要劃分必要跟非必要人員如果是必要人員還是要來上班那這個必要人員就包括了軍人所以執行中的這個軍購案我想是政府跟政府之間的\n也跟組合業上完整合約簽署那這個美軍這個他本身會對這個各軍購案執行中的軍購案項成立專案管理辦公室所以這個部分是不會有影響\n那我想還在談的這個部分我們會密切關注他的這個情況就是說我們現在要提出來然後正在執行這些這個雙方來進行相關的一些購案的必要程序這個部分我們會來持續密注他們的這個聯邦機構的這個狀況\n就是執行中的這個還會正常的運行對 已經執行中的應該那只是在洽談中的洽談中或是還沒有執行的軍購案的這個應該要走一定的程序這個部分我們會來一直不斷的持續跟他們來進行討論\n好 這部分再請我們國防部再繼續追蹤那我們戴總統在國慶演說上也宣誓要打造我們這個台灣之盾那固然是我國防接下來非常重要的一個政策也牽涉到我們這個防空武器的這個籌貨和系統整合所以也看到國防部即將納入在接下來要提出的這個特別預算當中不過\n我們要面對的是共軍打造低成本的遠程火箭炮能夠從福建沿海直接攻擊到台灣由於會大量消耗我方的防空戰力也可能會造成嚴重的威脅\n那我方似乎還沒有很好的一個這個應對的方案那我想再請教部長就是台灣之盾會是我們應對共軍遠程火箭炮的一個這個解方嗎還是我們國防部有其他好的這個策略來因應我想總統提到的這個台灣之盾他最重要就是說我們要整合各式的整合政策器\n這個所謂的Sensor然後到各式的這個Shooter就是各式的防空武器那麼雙方整合那麼透過一個鏈結之後我們形成一個擊殺網那所以這個鏈結各式的這些偵測器融會為各種武器形成的這個擊殺網當然是有\n是全方位的多層的然後是這樣的一個整體飛彈防禦系統那反制遠程火箭作戰應用的策略跟系統結構當然是我們重要的一個建軍的方向不過現在因為相關的部分還失策集明我想就可能不方便在這裡公開好\n日前我們國防部中副部長到美國出席國防會議的時候在接受訪問也有提到我們國防部必須整合現有的防護系統以及直通訊系統也與美方討論具體的合作方案希望能夠幫忙來整合台灣相關的防空系統\n那對於這個防空系統的整合我們中科院與這個美商合作開發的這個IBCS整體作戰指揮系統是否已經啟動而我們是否已經得到美方具體的一個承諾將會來協助我們整合有沒有這個可能委員問的是指中科院跟那個美商洛格公司的那我想這個部分\n就由中科院來回答我們在九月份已經簽署了合作備忘錄這個備忘錄的內容就是針對美制和台制防空系統來進行整合那因為雙方簽有保密協議所以相關洽談的內容是已經在進行中但是我們不方便對外公開進行中\n我想還是跟委員補充一下有關整個飛彈防禦系統的整合應該是台美共同努力的目標啦我們這個部分如果有具體成果再跟委員做個說明好那另外對於這個無人機的運用無人機的運用我們已經討論一段時間了也是很多這個\n民眾在關心的一個議題我們看到這次這個國防部的這個夜報當中特別提到在各作戰區我們將依任務的特性及這個戰術的運用配附各型的無人機並新增無人機大隊那我想請教我們陸軍對於這個無人機大隊的這個架構及邊桩是否有能夠公開說明的這個部分\n像委員報告我們這個依照剛剛業務報告裡面各作戰區編設的無人機大隊那我們是現在已經開始在依照他主要還是要依據我們整個\n武器或裝備獲得的期程來依照節點來編程那我們是管制在明年7月以前來全部完成成編那至於細部的編組規劃下去可以到委員辦公室向您做說明好\n那相對來說我們對於這個無人機的這個大隊的建制應該也要了解到這個敵方在無人機上所擁有的相關資源我們對於這個共軍目前無人機服役的情形以及他部署的這個規模還有資源相對較少的情況下我想請教我們部長那對於這個共軍無人機的這個編組尤其是對台灣\n的威脅還有它攻擊型的這個無人機它的規模以及數量我們國防部有沒有相關掌握的情質跟委員報告整體的這個防空的防禦這個防禦系統事實上就要包括反彈反擊跟反無人機\n所以我想我們對於相關無人機也會有一定的規劃那在我們的要提做特別預算裡面也會有就反制無人機的這個部分來做一個規劃然後也納入我們整體防空裡面的一環\n好 對共軍的無人機狀況我們有沒有掌握對 我們當然我們的相關的這些單位都會就中國的無人機的一個發展都有一個綿密的一個\n收住跟延期目前無人機的操作人員還沒有專門加急隨著我們各部隊接裝之後無人機操作的人力需求也應當會隨之提升\n那如果接下來要鼓勵更多的人才能夠來學習操作這個無人機我們也要鼓勵專業人員能夠長留人才 長留久用那國防部有沒有研議對於這個無人機的這個飛手也納入相關的這個加急的可能\n首先第一個就是說因應組織變裝的調整我們要將這個戰鬥部隊的定義要做一些調修那所以無人機大隊應該也是戰鬥部隊裡面的一環所以他可以領戰鬥部隊加級\n那至於有沒有另外要針對這個在另外的家我想這個必須要整體要來考量研議因為每一個人都會有操作相關的這些高專的這個部分那所以這些部分的加急要做一個整通盤的規劃我們要留人才我想這個部分應該國防部要去審慎的這個評估應該適當的加急就要加急\n好 以上謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.109 --> 00:10.352\n先前這個共軍的動態和部長討論過了那過去在談這個共軍犯台的可能時間點的時候往往會參考這個戴維生窗口所指涉的這個2027年\n\n00:24.540 --> 00:41.053\n的部分但是最近這個美國總統川普在受訪的時候他認為這個中國打算在2027年入侵台灣的部分他認為是不可能那近期這個解放軍內部高層的\n\n00:43.123 --> 01:01.896\n狀況動盪不安過去在市中全會召開的時候包括中央軍委副主席何衛東還有前政工部主任苗華以及東部戰區司令林向陽等9名上將被開除黨籍\n\n01:03.223 --> 01:31.686\n國安局先前也透露有半數以上的上將超過半年沒有露臉實際上被整肅的人數有可能更多那解放軍內部的整肅清洗尤其涉及到負責台灣的軍方高層部長怎麼評估他們對於共軍的整備以及對於台灣作戰的相關影響有沒有觀察到共軍任何異常的跡象\n\n01:33.908 --> 01:50.348\n我們是來看整個徵喉還有共軍隊進行的相關的一些演訓活動來做一個分析我們觀察共軍隊台還是維持常態的\n\n01:51.169 --> 02:17.704\n一個戰演訓的活動沒有異常的現象那而且他的軍事壓迫跟洗腦的這個狀況也沒有因為何衛東林向陽等等對台作戰的這些重要成員的落馬有所影響所以我想我們呃國防部還是會掌掌握這個就是應用多元的管道跟聯合勤進手段來持續來掌握相關的這個敵情變化我我們\n\n02:18.644 --> 02:44.746\n我們要完善我們的整個的疫警徵喉的判斷而不是單純的在看他這個內部人事的動盪而已好那這部分也請我們國防部跟我們情報單位能夠持續的掌握了解這個解放軍內部情形及相關的動態這應該是對我們國防部最為重要的一個部分那另外在我們這個新式的武器籌貨方面\n\n02:46.127 --> 03:13.100\n我們首批的海馬士多管火箭系統以及M1A2T戰車都在去年運離台灣其中海馬士已經在7月正式成軍但是在戰車的部分只有公開實彈射擊的操演我想請教部長第一個M1A2T作戰單位的成軍我們是否已經有掌握到確切的時間點\n\n03:15.021 --> 03:35.940\n我們第一個贏的這個陳軍的典禮是我們會在10月31號因為他在接受這個戰力車運之後那正式陳軍在10月31號會舉行一個陳軍典禮戰車的部分M1A2就是10月31號對\n\n03:37.822 --> 04:01.531\n好那另外我們在7月份戰車實彈射擊當天有靜態的展示我們衰兵用的穿甲彈當時引發一陣討論但是在美國所公布的軍售方案當中並沒有這款彈藥我想請教我們部長國防部在後續是否會有另外購得這款彈藥\n\n04:02.751 --> 04:11.111\n的這個可能還是已經在構置其他的這個穿甲彈考量或是相關的規劃\n\n04:12.265 --> 04:38.605\n向委員報告我們在這個瑞捷專案裡面隨裝我們也構置了有六型的包含到這些高爆彈還有一吻脫殼的穿甲彈那這些都依照我們的這個交裝的期程來實施交運那也都有到已經到隨著要成軍的單位也都入庫了\n\n04:39.085 --> 04:49.318\n那在后续的部分因为还会有社讯上面的需求不管是练习弹或是实弹穿甲弹也都有纳入后续的后围的持续采购规划\n\n04:51.984 --> 05:08.530\n我們也看到國防部預算在去年底所提出的不對稱作戰的特別預算將會分七年來編列但實際的規模應該還沒有定案由於特別預算會有多項軍購同步進行我們對美軍\n\n05:14.879 --> 05:32.728\n對美國的軍購又高度的仰賴美國政府的參與針對這個部分我想還是請教部長美國政府目前處於停擺的狀況什麼時候會恢復運作還不曉得這件事情對我們軍購案的執行有沒有具體的影響\n\n05:35.527 --> 06:03.402\n如果是已經執行了執行中的就是說這個軍購案的部分因為他還是說必須要劃分必要跟非必要人員如果是必要人員還是要來上班那這個必要人員就包括了軍人所以執行中的這個軍購案我想是政府跟政府之間的\n\n06:04.284 --> 06:16.965\n也跟組合業上完整合約簽署那這個美軍這個他本身會對這個各軍購案執行中的軍購案項成立專案管理辦公室所以這個部分是不會有影響\n\n06:17.955 --> 06:39.299\n那我想還在談的這個部分我們會密切關注他的這個情況就是說我們現在要提出來然後正在執行這些這個雙方來進行相關的一些購案的必要程序這個部分我們會來持續密注他們的這個聯邦機構的這個狀況\n\n06:45.340 --> 07:01.577\n就是執行中的這個還會正常的運行對已經執行中的應該那只是在洽談中的洽談中或是還沒有執行的軍購案的這個應該要走一定的程序這個部分我們會來一直不斷的持續跟他們來進行討論\n\n07:03.939 --> 07:31.006\n好這部分再請我們國防部再繼續追蹤那我們戴總統在國慶演說上也宣誓要打造我們這個台灣之盾那固然是我國防接下來非常重要的一個政策也牽涉到我們這個防空武器的這個籌貨和系統整合所以也看到國防部即將納入在接下來要提出的這個特別預算當中不過\n\n07:31.886 --> 07:45.981\n我們要面對的是共軍打造低成本的遠程火箭炮能夠從福建沿海直接攻擊到台灣由於會大量消耗我方的防空戰力也可能會造成嚴重的威脅\n\n07:47.284 --> 08:14.396\n那我方似乎還沒有很好的一個這個應對的方案那我想再請教部長就是台灣之盾會是我們應對共軍遠程火箭炮的一個這個解方嗎還是我們國防部有其他好的這個策略來因應我想總統提到的這個台灣之盾他最重要就是說我們要整合各式的整合政策器\n\n08:15.480 --> 08:36.979\n這個所謂的Sensor然後到各式的這個Shooter就是各式的防空武器那麼雙方整合那麼透過一個鏈結之後我們形成一個擊殺網那所以這個鏈結各式的這些偵測器融會為各種武器形成的這個擊殺網當然是有\n\n08:39.421 --> 09:00.677\n是全方位的多層的然後是這樣的一個整體飛彈防禦系統那反制遠程火箭作戰應用的策略跟系統結構當然是我們重要的一個建軍的方向不過現在因為相關的部分還失策集明我想就可能不方便在這裡公開好\n\n09:04.220 --> 09:28.740\n日前我們國防部中副部長到美國出席國防會議的時候在接受訪問也有提到我們國防部必須整合現有的防護系統以及直通訊系統也與美方討論具體的合作方案希望能夠幫忙來整合台灣相關的防空系統\n\n09:29.921 --> 09:56.892\n那對於這個防空系統的整合我們中科院與這個美商合作開發的這個IBCS整體作戰指揮系統是否已經啟動而我們是否已經得到美方具體的一個承諾將會來協助我們整合有沒有這個可能委員問的是指中科院跟那個美商洛格公司的那我想這個部分\n\n09:58.833 --> 10:16.509\n就由中科院來回答我們在九月份已經簽署了合作備忘錄這個備忘錄的內容就是針對美制和台制防空系統來進行整合那因為雙方簽有保密協議所以相關洽談的內容是已經在進行中但是我們不方便對外公開進行中\n\n10:17.854 --> 10:38.239\n我想還是跟委員補充一下有關整個飛彈防禦系統的整合應該是台美共同努力的目標啦我們這個部分如果有具體成果再跟委員做個說明好那另外對於這個無人機的運用無人機的運用我們已經討論一段時間了也是很多這個\n\n10:39.899 --> 11:06.483\n民眾在關心的一個議題我們看到這次這個國防部的這個夜報當中特別提到在各作戰區我們將依任務的特性及這個戰術的運用配附各型的無人機並新增無人機大隊那我想請教我們陸軍對於這個無人機大隊的這個架構及邊桩是否有能夠公開說明的這個部分\n\n11:08.305 --> 11:21.303\n像委員報告我們這個依照剛剛業務報告裡面各作戰區編設的無人機大隊那我們是現在已經開始在依照他主要還是要依據我們整個\n\n11:22.344 --> 11:37.152\n武器或裝備獲得的期程來依照節點來編程那我們是管制在明年7月以前來全部完成成編那至於細部的編組規劃下去可以到委員辦公室向您做說明好\n\n11:38.453 --> 12:05.111\n那相對來說我們對於這個無人機的這個大隊的建制應該也要了解到這個敵方在無人機上所擁有的相關資源我們對於這個共軍目前無人機服役的情形以及他部署的這個規模還有資源相對較少的情況下我想請教我們部長那對於這個共軍無人機的這個編組尤其是對台灣\n\n12:07.214 --> 12:24.793\n的威脅還有它攻擊型的這個無人機它的規模以及數量我們國防部有沒有相關掌握的情質跟委員報告整體的這個防空的防禦這個防禦系統事實上就要包括反彈反擊跟反無人機\n\n12:26.134 --> 12:44.204\n所以我想我們對於相關無人機也會有一定的規劃那在我們的要提做特別預算裡面也會有就反制無人機的這個部分來做一個規劃然後也納入我們整體防空裡面的一環\n\n12:45.560 --> 13:00.116\n好對共軍的無人機狀況我們有沒有掌握對我們當然我們的相關的這些單位都會就中國的無人機的一個發展都有一個綿密的一個\n\n13:03.019 --> 13:22.891\n收住跟延期目前無人機的操作人員還沒有專門加急隨著我們各部隊接裝之後無人機操作的人力需求也應當會隨之提升\n\n13:23.752 --> 13:39.100\n那如果接下來要鼓勵更多的人才能夠來學習操作這個無人機我們也要鼓勵專業人員能夠長留人才長留久用那國防部有沒有研議對於這個無人機的這個飛手也納入相關的這個加急的可能\n\n13:40.719 --> 13:53.489\n首先第一個就是說因應組織變裝的調整我們要將這個戰鬥部隊的定義要做一些調修那所以無人機大隊應該也是戰鬥部隊裡面的一環所以他可以領戰鬥部隊加級\n\n13:55.236 --> 14:24.553\n那至於有沒有另外要針對這個在另外的家我想這個必須要整體要來考量研議因為每一個人都會有操作相關的這些高專的這個部分那所以這些部分的加急要做一個整通盤的規劃我們要留人才我想這個部分應該國防部要去審慎的這個評估應該適當的加急就要加急\n\n14:26.101 --> 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對共軍的無人機狀況我們有沒有掌握對 我們當然我們的相關的這些單位都會就中國的無人機的一個發展都有一個綿密的一個"},{"start":783.019,"end":802.891,"text":"收住跟延期目前無人機的操作人員還沒有專門加急隨著我們各部隊接裝之後無人機操作的人力需求也應當會隨之提升"},{"start":803.752,"end":819.1,"text":"那如果接下來要鼓勵更多的人才能夠來學習操作這個無人機我們也要鼓勵專業人員能夠長留人才 長留久用那國防部有沒有研議對於這個無人機的這個飛手也納入相關的這個加急的可能"},{"start":820.719,"end":833.489,"text":"首先第一個就是說因應組織變裝的調整我們要將這個戰鬥部隊的定義要做一些調修那所以無人機大隊應該也是戰鬥部隊裡面的一環所以他可以領戰鬥部隊加級"},{"start":835.236,"end":864.553,"text":"那至於有沒有另外要針對這個在另外的家我想這個必須要整體要來考量研議因為每一個人都會有操作相關的這些高專的這個部分那所以這些部分的加急要做一個整通盤的規劃我們要留人才我想這個部分應該國防部要去審慎的這個評估應該適當的加急就要加急"},{"start":866.101,"end":866.565,"text":"好 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