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00:01:27,580\n您提到有關監察院指出的問題確實就是中科院前一陣子一直存在的問題那我倒認這個職位我們也是針對這樣子的結構性問題來做改革我想你根本就沒有能力改革嘛你到了去年去年的七月份到現在你改革了什麼東西啊你改革了什麼東西官僚作風你到現在都還是官僚作風\n\n4\n00:01:29,329 --> 00:01:30,978\n你替國防部做了什麼事情啊\n\n5\n00:01:34,175 --> 00:02:01,962\n不少人認為你到了中科院最主要的工作之一就是協助中科院的改革的轉型但是轉型了沒有本身想了解一年多來中科院在你的領導之下是否有新的氣象新光三任三八活你的三八活因應了原來的這些官僚作風你把這個報告改革了改革了什麼東西\n\n6\n00:02:02,842 --> 00:02:16,492\n把這個報告趕快給我這一份委員沒有問題我一個禮拜之內可以給委員這份報告中科院近期對無人武器系統的發展特別的重視在過去有不少民間廠商認為\n\n7\n00:02:18,653 --> 00:02:47,911\n中科院以民间厂商在无人机与无人舰量产与协作方向的黑箱垄断的余力那在去年的三叶监察院因应纠正国防部和陆军司令部督导的不周在办理伪制战术型进程无人飞机的载具在载具的案中发生主舰对外采购的过程不合理的\n\n8\n00:02:49,179 --> 00:03:11,290\n不合理的評選包含十位評委中有六位是中科院的自己人那三位入境士官外聘學家學者只有一位同案中垂直起降無人機製作等三項採購但評但別\n\n9\n00:03:15,671 --> 00:03:37,964\n評選委員評分一場的高度將近百分之百百分之九十五點五五且評選優勝者還採用私標廠商協力廠商的光學產品交貨所以等等的問題你再改革了沒有後續我再問一下請教\n\n10\n00:03:40,028 --> 00:04:06,773\n產協界也反映中科院廠商在量產階段與民間廠商協作但自身又以子公司或關係企業參與這個就是球員兼裁判球員兼裁判你有沒有做到現在改革方向方針到底球員兼裁判還存在了沒有你回答一下\n\n11\n00:04:07,533 --> 00:04:36,579\n很簡單回答第一個從我去年上任之後中科院原本的五家子公司現在中科院沒有任何一家登記在案的子公司這是第一個第二個中科院委員剛剛提到的去年三月份陸軍第二代進程無人機的標案那是由陸軍司令部當時所做的決策那當時因為這個標案它在第一代是由中科院生產的所以當時陸軍考量到延續性所以它在標案裡面的委員的確有聘請比較多的有關中科院的委員\n\n12\n00:04:37,219 --> 00:04:57,111\n但是中會的委員在評選過程中間我們也從來沒有針對我們自己或是有任何協力廠商去做任何的私相授受的行為我想這個標案到現在有沒有具體的規範排除類似的狀況有沒有有我答應給委員把這些報告也給我把這個規範都給委員\n\n13\n00:04:58,612 --> 00:05:19,988\n好那去年的外交部林部長率團台灣卓越無人機海外商機聯盟出席在立陶宛舉辦的無人機產業論壇之後就傳出中科院計畫將以具備的無人機設計授權國內業者\n\n14\n00:05:23,351 --> 00:05:40,938\n那業者若獲得訂單中科院再依產量取得權利金目前中科院執行的狀況如何收到的權利金有多少你回答一下各位報告我們現在經過國安部核定\n\n15\n00:05:41,877 --> 00:06:02,970\n已經可以釋出的技術就是總共有九項那這九項技術我們現在是開放給業界來認領那業界跟我們連協商的合約都還在簽署當中所以說目前還沒有任何權利金的收入我們目前所有收入的部分是我們替國內無人機業者所做的技術服務去年\n\n16\n00:06:04,091 --> 00:06:24,176\n外交部林部長都率團到立陶宛那你應該現在授權給國內的業者應該要收取的權益金到現在一個都沒有九項是檯面上的九項檯面下的九項另外你執行的沒有這就是你執行的能力問題嘛部長\n\n17\n00:06:26,519 --> 00:06:48,484\n如果他沒有這個能力的話該換了啦重新的把中科院提政提升能夠更好如果今天中科院長沒有這個轉型的能力的話也應該重新思考是不是呀還有更好的人選台灣的無人機裡面\n\n18\n00:06:50,486 --> 00:07:04,254\n載機的產業發展不如中美起步也稍晚了一點那其實包含日韓日本跟韓國也發現在這個領域上如果無法做到精密的合作\n\n19\n00:07:06,151 --> 00:07:06,371\n所以部長\n\n20\n00:07:23,260 --> 00:07:38,320\n你能不能回答一下剛剛以上這一些的種種中科院過去的弊端包含以軍民合作的立場上是不是要改進改變部長你來回答一下\n\n21\n00:07:39,450 --> 00:08:03,681\n我想剛剛院長有提到了像現在中科院的五家子公司都沒有了就沒有沒有再有子公司這個狀況存在這第一個第二個就是說科技成果向民間的移轉那我們現在也在督促中科院要盡量的移轉這些技術那我也督促軍備局要加強督導這個部分所以我們現在不斷的在研\n\n22\n00:08:05,001 --> 00:08:22,690\n這個中科院可以去做計轉的這個部分所以中科院也在努力的在進行當中那其他相關一些我想院長已經做了一些的改革之後他剛剛已經同意就是說因為詳細的部分在於書面跟委員做一個報告這樣子\n\n23\n00:08:23,750 --> 00:08:51,118\n因為中科院是以具有目前來講無人機包含艦的部分來講是一個重中之重要轉型要改型提升這是一個非常重要的一環中科院不能夠再跟過去一樣官僚文化的作風因為今天來講國防部長有責任監督那對國人來講當然要有交代\n\n24\n00:08:52,418 --> 00:09:06,268\n那另外就是關於中科院院長請回我想請教一下部長今天的報告中提到了明年陸軍將新增的無人機大隊海軍陸戰隊66旅戰車營也將轉型為無人機營\n\n25\n00:09:13,573 --> 00:09:32,762\n本席在今年6月就陸軍將成立首次無人機部隊提出書面的質詢指出根據美軍的經驗無人機部隊面臨最嚴厲的挑戰在於無法完全適應戰場的轉型\n\n26\n00:09:35,723 --> 00:09:44,813\n那美軍的經驗無人機部隊面臨最嚴厲這個以傳統部隊完全協同任務根據\n\n27\n00:09:49,362 --> 00:10:07,892\n這些傳統部隊在與地面部隊是不是有協調性的共同的一個協調因為目前來講據說還沒有各做各的希望了解國際對無人機部隊的相關信念作為\n\n28\n00:10:08,732 --> 00:10:29,311\n不過當初給本席的回覆是陸軍表示目前只有人員操作無人機的訓練還沒有進行到相關的戰術的訓練那參謀長回答這個問題好不好我們是不是連山來回答一下就這個相關的\n\n29\n00:10:30,782 --> 00:10:49,926\n我想無人機有一個整體的規劃我們包括有訓示室來負責的相關的一些無人機的訓練那整體的這個作戰的整體的無人機的整體的規劃也有一些好委員好我是作機師次長跟委員報告我們無人機是先從作戰運用規劃來去規劃整體的構想\n\n30\n00:10:53,007 --> 00:11:07,455\n那接著會依照不同的包含尖針型攻擊型無人機並且整合到我們現行的精準武器還有各軍種的制式的武器怎麼結合整體的作戰應用來形成多層次的擊殺鏈\n\n31\n00:11:08,536 --> 00:11:35,565\n那因此依照這樣子的作戰應用我們在國防部已經測班了一個作戰機無人機的作戰應用的一個準則那並且再交由各軍種依照他的戰術任務的執行來去測班他作戰應用的準則跟教則必須去執行訓練那這個相關的訓練規劃都在各軍種的訓練班隊還有現在成編之後無人機的大隊各單位的無人機的編組會持續向下做細部的發展好向下\n\n32\n00:11:36,565 --> 00:12:05,134\n待會我要問你你們後續的進度如何本身發現很多人在看待國防部容易產生一個誤區就是擁有武器就代表擁有戰力但是其實戰力的來源之一是如何以戰術發揮人員和武器的優勢那因此本身想請教無人機大隊要成立除了飛手養成外\n\n33\n00:12:07,762 --> 00:12:17,748\n硬要還要包含什麼在含電維護員資料分析人員和指揮官這些人員是否已經開始著手培訓\n\n34\n00:12:19,110 --> 00:12:39,925\n有沒有著手培訓跟委員報告我們是以無人機的到最小是一個無人機的小組那這裡面當然包含到組長兼真的操作手跟攻擊手還有後勤的這個操作手所以他是一個整體的編組那至於他整體編組的各部的執行作為跟後續的訓練建議這個私下再跟委員做報告\n\n35\n00:12:40,405 --> 00:13:07,246\n無人機的部隊要形成一個大隊了但你們現在都還沒有著手尤其是航電維護員包含資料分析員因為你的飛機你的無人機在整個在飛航當中的時候取得了很多很多相關的資料回到這個地方要恢復你們給你們一個答案資料啊可是你們現在連這個都還沒有還沒有著手那什麼時候著手\n\n36\n00:13:08,446 --> 00:13:22,971\n跟委員報告一下事實上我們海軍的瑞淵無人機目前在您提到的這些項目裡面它已經是既有的編制人員那針對比較複雜的部分事實上是未來MQ-9B的這個部分\n\n37\n00:13:24,091 --> 00:13:45,388\n他會給我們帶來全新的這些訓練的功能那這個部分我們初期的人員的選訓已經開始進行那從明年年初開始我們就會把總指教官送到美國去接受從航管一直到電子等等各方面的訓練這些國防部這邊他都有一個完整的規劃好那個主席再給我一分鐘\n\n38\n00:13:46,403 --> 00:13:57,791\n那個無人系大隊成立在一起除了目前飛索的信念是否已充足也想知道各司令部是否已經無人系的戰術教範跨軍種的是否已經有連戰的教範\n\n39\n00:14:03,234 --> 00:14:23,125\n那無人機是否在未來戰場的主流讓無人機的部隊形成戰力必須要有充足的準備從基礎的平台操作緊急程序安全作業到終極的任務規範流程徵收程序終據的\n\n40\n00:14:27,634 --> 00:14:44,815\n這個連管理電池對抗再到高級的地面火力空防電子戰整合任務即時的聯絡流程等所以這個就是你們現在本來就要準備要著手\n\n41\n00:14:45,757 --> 00:14:59,095\n該信念的該怎麼樣的趕快無人機的成立大隊不是一個開玩笑我們花了這麼多的一個公帑我們應該要積極要著手趕快來整合部長\n\n42\n00:15:01,597 --> 00:15:19,795\n跟委員報告我想現在您講的無人機大隊是指陸軍的無人機大隊但事實上無人機形態是非常的多樣剛剛我們站櫃師提到了像MQ-9B這個是屬於空軍在運用的高高空的無人機\n\n43\n00:15:20,632 --> 00:15:41,529\n那另外有關這些針尖型的不管是瑞淵或者是來濟江瑞淵二這些等等它的運用本來就我們有這樣的一個尖針型無人機的一個配布跟編制那相關的這些陸軍的無人機是比較屬於路面\n\n44\n00:15:42,109 --> 00:16:05,118\n操作型、一二型的這個無人機所以這個每個層級的一個教範都會不一樣那我們都陸續已經在進行當好到時候成立了只是一個形同形式上的一個空殼無人機的部隊我想你們趕快因為後續我會追蹤你們的進度你們著手\n\n45\n00:16:05,899 --> 00:16:18,396\n信念整個過程應該要我再來下次我再來追蹤好不好以上謝謝好謝謝委員謝謝黃仁委員的質詢各位長官請回座先喝杯水\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n1148\t25121\t謝謝主席 有請國防部長及中科院的院長請顧部長還有中科院院長是 黃委員好部長好那個 針對今天中科院的改革的轉型那我想請教一下我們的院長\n27318\t55580\t中科院過去有許多長期結構性的一個問題的存在而且這個監察院都在糾正那例如財務以標暗管理透明性的不足缺乏這個競爭機制官僚的文化科技成果轉移民間的移轉力非常的低等等的問題我想中科院院長你來回答我這個問題\n60417\t87580\t您提到有關監察院指出的問題確實就是中科院前一陣子一直存在的問題那我倒認這個職位我們也是針對這樣子的結構性問題來做改革我想你根本就沒有能力改革嘛你到了去年去年的七月份到現在你改革了什麼東西啊你改革了什麼東西官僚作風你到現在都還是官僚作風\n89329\t90978\t你替國防部做了什麼事情啊\n94175\t121962\t不少人認為你到了中科院最主要的工作之一就是協助中科院的改革的轉型但是轉型了沒有本身想了解一年多來中科院在你的領導之下是否有新的氣象新光三任 三八活你的三八活因應了原來的這些官僚作風你把這個報告改革了 改革了什麼東西\n122842\t136492\t把這個報告趕快給我這一份委員沒有問題我一個禮拜之內可以給委員這份報告中科院近期對無人武器系統的發展特別的重視在過去有不少民間廠商認為\n138653\t167911\t中科院以民间厂商在无人机与无人舰量产与协作方向的黑箱垄断的余力那在去年的三叶监察院因应纠正国防部和陆军司令部督导的不周在办理伪制战术型进程无人飞机的载具在载具的案中发生主舰对外采购的过程不合理的\n169179\t191290\t不合理的評選包含十位評委中有六位是中科院的自己人那三位入境士官外聘學家學者只有一位同案中垂直起降無人機製作等三項採購但評但別\n195671\t217964\t評選委員評分一場的高度將近百分之百百分之九十五點五五且評選優勝者還採用私標廠商協力廠商的光學產品交貨所以等等的問題你再改革了沒有後續我再問一下請教\n220028\t246773\t產協界也反映中科院廠商在量產階段與民間廠商協作但自身又以子公司或關係企業參與這個就是球員兼裁判球員兼裁判你有沒有做到現在改革方向方針到底球員兼裁判還存在了沒有你回答一下\n247533\t276579\t很簡單回答第一個從我去年上任之後中科院原本的五家子公司現在中科院沒有任何一家登記在案的子公司這是第一個第二個中科院委員剛剛提到的去年三月份陸軍第二代進程無人機的標案那是由陸軍司令部當時所做的決策那當時因為這個標案它在第一代是由中科院生產的所以當時陸軍考量到延續性所以它在標案裡面的委員的確有聘請比較多的有關中科院的委員\n277219\t297111\t但是中會的委員在評選過程中間我們也從來沒有針對我們自己或是有任何協力廠商去做任何的私相授受的行為我想這個標案到現在有沒有具體的規範排除類似的狀況 有沒有有 我答應給委員把這些報告也給我把這個規範都給委員\n298612\t319988\t好 那去年的外交部林部長率團台灣卓越無人機海外商機聯盟出席在立陶宛舉辦的無人機產業論壇之後就傳出中科院計畫將以具備的無人機設計授權國內業者\n323351\t340938\t那業者若獲得訂單中科院再依產量取得權利金目前中科院執行的狀況如何收到的權利金有多少你回答一下各位報告我們現在經過國安部核定\n341877\t362970\t已經可以釋出的技術就是總共有九項那這九項技術我們現在是開放給業界來認領那業界跟我們連協商的合約都還在簽署當中所以說目前還沒有任何權利金的收入我們目前所有收入的部分是我們替國內無人機業者所做的技術服務去年\n364091\t384176\t外交部林部長都率團到立陶宛那你應該現在授權給國內的業者應該要收取的權益金到現在一個都沒有九項是檯面上的九項檯面下的九項另外你執行的沒有這就是你執行的能力問題嘛部長\n386519\t408484\t如果他沒有這個能力的話該換了啦重新的把中科院提政提升能夠更好如果今天中科院長沒有這個轉型的能力的話也應該重新思考是不是呀還有更好的人選台灣的無人機裡面\n410486\t424254\t載機的產業發展不如中美起步也稍晚了一點那其實包含日韓日本跟韓國也發現在這個領域上如果無法做到精密的合作\n426151\t426371\t所以 部長\n443260\t458320\t你能不能回答一下剛剛以上這一些的種種中科院過去的弊端包含以軍民合作的立場上是不是要改進改變部長你來回答一下\n459450\t483681\t我想剛剛院長有提到了像現在中科院的五家子公司都沒有了就沒有沒有再有子公司這個狀況存在這第一個第二個就是說科技成果向民間的移轉那我們現在也在督促中科院要盡量的移轉這些技術那我也督促軍備局要加強督導這個部分所以我們現在不斷的在研\n485001\t502690\t這個中科院可以去做計轉的這個部分所以中科院也在努力的在進行當中那其他相關一些我想院長已經做了一些的改革之後他剛剛已經同意就是說因為詳細的部分在於書面跟委員做一個報告這樣子\n503750\t531118\t因為中科院是以具有目前來講無人機包含艦的部分來講是一個重中之重要轉型要改型提升這是一個非常重要的一環中科院不能夠再跟過去一樣官僚文化的作風因為今天來講國防部長有責任監督那對國人來講當然要有交代\n532418\t546268\t那另外就是關於中科院院長請回我想請教一下部長今天的報告中提到了明年陸軍將新增的無人機大隊海軍陸戰隊66旅戰車營也將轉型為無人機營\n553573\t572762\t本席在今年6月就陸軍將成立首次無人機部隊提出書面的質詢指出根據美軍的經驗無人機部隊面臨最嚴厲的挑戰在於無法完全適應戰場的轉型\n575723\t584813\t那美軍的經驗無人機部隊面臨最嚴厲這個以傳統部隊完全協同任務根據\n589362\t607892\t這些傳統部隊在與地面部隊是不是有協調性的共同的一個協調因為目前來講據說還沒有各做各的希望了解國際對無人機部隊的相關信念作為\n608732\t629311\t不過當初給本席的回覆是陸軍表示目前只有人員操作無人機的訓練還沒有進行到相關的戰術的訓練那參謀長回答這個問題好不好我們是不是連山來回答一下就這個相關的\n630782\t649926\t我想無人機有一個整體的規劃我們包括有訓示室來負責的相關的一些無人機的訓練那整體的這個作戰的整體的無人機的整體的規劃也有一些好 委員好 我是作機師次長跟委員報告 我們無人機是先從作戰運用規劃來去規劃整體的構想\n653007\t667455\t那接著會依照不同的包含 尖針型 攻擊型無人機並且整合到我們現行的精準武器還有各軍種的制式的武器怎麼結合整體的作戰應用來形成多層次的擊殺鏈\n668536\t695565\t那因此依照這樣子的作戰應用我們在國防部已經測班了一個作戰機無人機的作戰應用的一個準則那並且再交由各軍種依照他的戰術任務的執行來去測班他作戰應用的準則跟教則必須去執行訓練那這個相關的訓練規劃都在各軍種的訓練班隊還有現在成編之後無人機的大隊各單位的無人機的編組會持續向下做細部的發展好 向下\n696565\t725134\t待會我要問你 你們後續的進度如何本身發現很多人在看待國防部容易產生一個誤區就是擁有武器就代表擁有戰力但是其實戰力的來源之一是如何以戰術發揮人員和武器的優勢那因此本身想請教無人機大隊要成立除了飛手養成外\n727762\t737748\t硬要還要包含什麼在含電維護員資料分析人員和指揮官這些人員是否已經開始著手培訓\n739110\t759925\t有沒有著手培訓跟委員報告我們是以無人機的到最小是一個無人機的小組那這裡面當然包含到組長兼真的操作手跟攻擊手還有後勤的這個操作手所以他是一個整體的編組那至於他整體編組的各部的執行作為跟後續的訓練建議這個私下再跟委員做報告\n760405\t787246\t無人機的部隊要形成一個大隊了但你們現在都還沒有著手尤其是航電維護員包含資料分析員因為你的飛機你的無人機在整個在飛航當中的時候取得了很多很多相關的資料回到這個地方要恢復你們給你們一個答案資料啊可是你們現在連這個都還沒有還沒有著手那什麼時候著手\n788446\t802971\t跟委員報告一下事實上我們海軍的瑞淵無人機目前在您提到的這些項目裡面它已經是既有的編制人員那針對比較複雜的部分事實上是未來MQ-9B的這個部分\n804091\t825388\t他會給我們帶來全新的這些訓練的功能那這個部分我們初期的人員的選訓已經開始進行那從明年年初開始我們就會把總指教官送到美國去接受從航管一直到電子等等各方面的訓練這些國防部這邊他都有一個完整的規劃好 那個主席再給我一分鐘\n826403\t837791\t那個無人系大隊成立在一起除了目前飛索的信念是否已充足也想知道各司令部是否已經無人系的戰術教範跨軍種的是否已經有連戰的教範\n843234\t863125\t那無人機是否在未來戰場的主流讓無人機的部隊形成戰力必須要有充足的準備從基礎的平台操作緊急程序安全作業到終極的任務規範流程徵收程序終據的\n867634\t884815\t這個連管理電池對抗再到高級的地面火力空防電子戰整合任務即時的聯絡流程等所以這個就是你們現在本來就要準備要著手\n885757\t899095\t該信念的該怎麼樣的趕快無人機的成立大隊不是一個開玩笑我們花了這麼多的一個公帑我們應該要積極要著手趕快來整合部長\n901597\t919795\t跟委員報告 我想現在您講的無人機大隊是指陸軍的無人機大隊但事實上無人機形態是非常的多樣剛剛我們站櫃師提到了像MQ-9B這個是屬於空軍在運用的高高空的無人機\n920632\t941529\t那另外有關這些針尖型的不管是瑞淵或者是來濟江瑞淵二這些等等它的運用本來就我們有這樣的一個尖針型無人機的一個配布跟編制那相關的這些陸軍的無人機是比較屬於路面\n942109\t965118\t操作型、一二型的這個無人機所以這個每個層級的一個教範都會不一樣那我們都陸續已經在進行當好 到時候成立了只是一個形同形式上的一個空殼無人機的部隊我想你們趕快 因為後續我會追蹤你們的進度 你們著手\n965899\t978396\t信念整個過程應該要我再來下次我再來追蹤 好不好 以上謝謝好 謝謝委員謝謝黃仁委員的質詢各位長官請回座 先喝杯水\n","txt":"謝謝主席 有請國防部長及中科院的院長請顧部長還有中科院院長是 黃委員好部長好那個 針對今天中科院的改革的轉型那我想請教一下我們的院長\n中科院過去有許多長期結構性的一個問題的存在而且這個監察院都在糾正那例如財務以標暗管理透明性的不足缺乏這個競爭機制官僚的文化科技成果轉移民間的移轉力非常的低等等的問題我想中科院院長你來回答我這個問題\n您提到有關監察院指出的問題確實就是中科院前一陣子一直存在的問題那我倒認這個職位我們也是針對這樣子的結構性問題來做改革我想你根本就沒有能力改革嘛你到了去年去年的七月份到現在你改革了什麼東西啊你改革了什麼東西官僚作風你到現在都還是官僚作風\n你替國防部做了什麼事情啊\n不少人認為你到了中科院最主要的工作之一就是協助中科院的改革的轉型但是轉型了沒有本身想了解一年多來中科院在你的領導之下是否有新的氣象新光三任 三八活你的三八活因應了原來的這些官僚作風你把這個報告改革了 改革了什麼東西\n把這個報告趕快給我這一份委員沒有問題我一個禮拜之內可以給委員這份報告中科院近期對無人武器系統的發展特別的重視在過去有不少民間廠商認為\n中科院以民间厂商在无人机与无人舰量产与协作方向的黑箱垄断的余力那在去年的三叶监察院因应纠正国防部和陆军司令部督导的不周在办理伪制战术型进程无人飞机的载具在载具的案中发生主舰对外采购的过程不合理的\n不合理的評選包含十位評委中有六位是中科院的自己人那三位入境士官外聘學家學者只有一位同案中垂直起降無人機製作等三項採購但評但別\n評選委員評分一場的高度將近百分之百百分之九十五點五五且評選優勝者還採用私標廠商協力廠商的光學產品交貨所以等等的問題你再改革了沒有後續我再問一下請教\n產協界也反映中科院廠商在量產階段與民間廠商協作但自身又以子公司或關係企業參與這個就是球員兼裁判球員兼裁判你有沒有做到現在改革方向方針到底球員兼裁判還存在了沒有你回答一下\n很簡單回答第一個從我去年上任之後中科院原本的五家子公司現在中科院沒有任何一家登記在案的子公司這是第一個第二個中科院委員剛剛提到的去年三月份陸軍第二代進程無人機的標案那是由陸軍司令部當時所做的決策那當時因為這個標案它在第一代是由中科院生產的所以當時陸軍考量到延續性所以它在標案裡面的委員的確有聘請比較多的有關中科院的委員\n但是中會的委員在評選過程中間我們也從來沒有針對我們自己或是有任何協力廠商去做任何的私相授受的行為我想這個標案到現在有沒有具體的規範排除類似的狀況 有沒有有 我答應給委員把這些報告也給我把這個規範都給委員\n好 那去年的外交部林部長率團台灣卓越無人機海外商機聯盟出席在立陶宛舉辦的無人機產業論壇之後就傳出中科院計畫將以具備的無人機設計授權國內業者\n那業者若獲得訂單中科院再依產量取得權利金目前中科院執行的狀況如何收到的權利金有多少你回答一下各位報告我們現在經過國安部核定\n已經可以釋出的技術就是總共有九項那這九項技術我們現在是開放給業界來認領那業界跟我們連協商的合約都還在簽署當中所以說目前還沒有任何權利金的收入我們目前所有收入的部分是我們替國內無人機業者所做的技術服務去年\n外交部林部長都率團到立陶宛那你應該現在授權給國內的業者應該要收取的權益金到現在一個都沒有九項是檯面上的九項檯面下的九項另外你執行的沒有這就是你執行的能力問題嘛部長\n如果他沒有這個能力的話該換了啦重新的把中科院提政提升能夠更好如果今天中科院長沒有這個轉型的能力的話也應該重新思考是不是呀還有更好的人選台灣的無人機裡面\n載機的產業發展不如中美起步也稍晚了一點那其實包含日韓日本跟韓國也發現在這個領域上如果無法做到精密的合作\n所以 部長\n你能不能回答一下剛剛以上這一些的種種中科院過去的弊端包含以軍民合作的立場上是不是要改進改變部長你來回答一下\n我想剛剛院長有提到了像現在中科院的五家子公司都沒有了就沒有沒有再有子公司這個狀況存在這第一個第二個就是說科技成果向民間的移轉那我們現在也在督促中科院要盡量的移轉這些技術那我也督促軍備局要加強督導這個部分所以我們現在不斷的在研\n這個中科院可以去做計轉的這個部分所以中科院也在努力的在進行當中那其他相關一些我想院長已經做了一些的改革之後他剛剛已經同意就是說因為詳細的部分在於書面跟委員做一個報告這樣子\n因為中科院是以具有目前來講無人機包含艦的部分來講是一個重中之重要轉型要改型提升這是一個非常重要的一環中科院不能夠再跟過去一樣官僚文化的作風因為今天來講國防部長有責任監督那對國人來講當然要有交代\n那另外就是關於中科院院長請回我想請教一下部長今天的報告中提到了明年陸軍將新增的無人機大隊海軍陸戰隊66旅戰車營也將轉型為無人機營\n本席在今年6月就陸軍將成立首次無人機部隊提出書面的質詢指出根據美軍的經驗無人機部隊面臨最嚴厲的挑戰在於無法完全適應戰場的轉型\n那美軍的經驗無人機部隊面臨最嚴厲這個以傳統部隊完全協同任務根據\n這些傳統部隊在與地面部隊是不是有協調性的共同的一個協調因為目前來講據說還沒有各做各的希望了解國際對無人機部隊的相關信念作為\n不過當初給本席的回覆是陸軍表示目前只有人員操作無人機的訓練還沒有進行到相關的戰術的訓練那參謀長回答這個問題好不好我們是不是連山來回答一下就這個相關的\n我想無人機有一個整體的規劃我們包括有訓示室來負責的相關的一些無人機的訓練那整體的這個作戰的整體的無人機的整體的規劃也有一些好 委員好 我是作機師次長跟委員報告 我們無人機是先從作戰運用規劃來去規劃整體的構想\n那接著會依照不同的包含 尖針型 攻擊型無人機並且整合到我們現行的精準武器還有各軍種的制式的武器怎麼結合整體的作戰應用來形成多層次的擊殺鏈\n那因此依照這樣子的作戰應用我們在國防部已經測班了一個作戰機無人機的作戰應用的一個準則那並且再交由各軍種依照他的戰術任務的執行來去測班他作戰應用的準則跟教則必須去執行訓練那這個相關的訓練規劃都在各軍種的訓練班隊還有現在成編之後無人機的大隊各單位的無人機的編組會持續向下做細部的發展好 向下\n待會我要問你 你們後續的進度如何本身發現很多人在看待國防部容易產生一個誤區就是擁有武器就代表擁有戰力但是其實戰力的來源之一是如何以戰術發揮人員和武器的優勢那因此本身想請教無人機大隊要成立除了飛手養成外\n硬要還要包含什麼在含電維護員資料分析人員和指揮官這些人員是否已經開始著手培訓\n有沒有著手培訓跟委員報告我們是以無人機的到最小是一個無人機的小組那這裡面當然包含到組長兼真的操作手跟攻擊手還有後勤的這個操作手所以他是一個整體的編組那至於他整體編組的各部的執行作為跟後續的訓練建議這個私下再跟委員做報告\n無人機的部隊要形成一個大隊了但你們現在都還沒有著手尤其是航電維護員包含資料分析員因為你的飛機你的無人機在整個在飛航當中的時候取得了很多很多相關的資料回到這個地方要恢復你們給你們一個答案資料啊可是你們現在連這個都還沒有還沒有著手那什麼時候著手\n跟委員報告一下事實上我們海軍的瑞淵無人機目前在您提到的這些項目裡面它已經是既有的編制人員那針對比較複雜的部分事實上是未來MQ-9B的這個部分\n他會給我們帶來全新的這些訓練的功能那這個部分我們初期的人員的選訓已經開始進行那從明年年初開始我們就會把總指教官送到美國去接受從航管一直到電子等等各方面的訓練這些國防部這邊他都有一個完整的規劃好 那個主席再給我一分鐘\n那個無人系大隊成立在一起除了目前飛索的信念是否已充足也想知道各司令部是否已經無人系的戰術教範跨軍種的是否已經有連戰的教範\n那無人機是否在未來戰場的主流讓無人機的部隊形成戰力必須要有充足的準備從基礎的平台操作緊急程序安全作業到終極的任務規範流程徵收程序終據的\n這個連管理電池對抗再到高級的地面火力空防電子戰整合任務即時的聯絡流程等所以這個就是你們現在本來就要準備要著手\n該信念的該怎麼樣的趕快無人機的成立大隊不是一個開玩笑我們花了這麼多的一個公帑我們應該要積極要著手趕快來整合部長\n跟委員報告 我想現在您講的無人機大隊是指陸軍的無人機大隊但事實上無人機形態是非常的多樣剛剛我們站櫃師提到了像MQ-9B這個是屬於空軍在運用的高高空的無人機\n那另外有關這些針尖型的不管是瑞淵或者是來濟江瑞淵二這些等等它的運用本來就我們有這樣的一個尖針型無人機的一個配布跟編制那相關的這些陸軍的無人機是比較屬於路面\n操作型、一二型的這個無人機所以這個每個層級的一個教範都會不一樣那我們都陸續已經在進行當好 到時候成立了只是一個形同形式上的一個空殼無人機的部隊我想你們趕快 因為後續我會追蹤你們的進度 你們著手\n信念整個過程應該要我再來下次我再來追蹤 好不好 以上謝謝好 謝謝委員謝謝黃仁委員的質詢各位長官請回座 先喝杯水\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:01.148 --> 00:25.121\n謝謝主席有請國防部長及中科院的院長請顧部長還有中科院院長是黃委員好部長好那個針對今天中科院的改革的轉型那我想請教一下我們的院長\n\n00:27.318 --> 00:55.580\n中科院過去有許多長期結構性的一個問題的存在而且這個監察院都在糾正那例如財務以標暗管理透明性的不足缺乏這個競爭機制官僚的文化科技成果轉移民間的移轉力非常的低等等的問題我想中科院院長你來回答我這個問題\n\n01:00.417 --> 01:27.580\n您提到有關監察院指出的問題確實就是中科院前一陣子一直存在的問題那我倒認這個職位我們也是針對這樣子的結構性問題來做改革我想你根本就沒有能力改革嘛你到了去年去年的七月份到現在你改革了什麼東西啊你改革了什麼東西官僚作風你到現在都還是官僚作風\n\n01:29.329 --> 01:30.978\n你替國防部做了什麼事情啊\n\n01:34.175 --> 02:01.962\n不少人認為你到了中科院最主要的工作之一就是協助中科院的改革的轉型但是轉型了沒有本身想了解一年多來中科院在你的領導之下是否有新的氣象新光三任三八活你的三八活因應了原來的這些官僚作風你把這個報告改革了改革了什麼東西\n\n02:02.842 --> 02:16.492\n把這個報告趕快給我這一份委員沒有問題我一個禮拜之內可以給委員這份報告中科院近期對無人武器系統的發展特別的重視在過去有不少民間廠商認為\n\n02:18.653 --> 02:47.911\n中科院以民间厂商在无人机与无人舰量产与协作方向的黑箱垄断的余力那在去年的三叶监察院因应纠正国防部和陆军司令部督导的不周在办理伪制战术型进程无人飞机的载具在载具的案中发生主舰对外采购的过程不合理的\n\n02:49.179 --> 03:11.290\n不合理的評選包含十位評委中有六位是中科院的自己人那三位入境士官外聘學家學者只有一位同案中垂直起降無人機製作等三項採購但評但別\n\n03:15.671 --> 03:37.964\n評選委員評分一場的高度將近百分之百百分之九十五點五五且評選優勝者還採用私標廠商協力廠商的光學產品交貨所以等等的問題你再改革了沒有後續我再問一下請教\n\n03:40.028 --> 04:06.773\n產協界也反映中科院廠商在量產階段與民間廠商協作但自身又以子公司或關係企業參與這個就是球員兼裁判球員兼裁判你有沒有做到現在改革方向方針到底球員兼裁判還存在了沒有你回答一下\n\n04:07.533 --> 04:36.579\n很簡單回答第一個從我去年上任之後中科院原本的五家子公司現在中科院沒有任何一家登記在案的子公司這是第一個第二個中科院委員剛剛提到的去年三月份陸軍第二代進程無人機的標案那是由陸軍司令部當時所做的決策那當時因為這個標案它在第一代是由中科院生產的所以當時陸軍考量到延續性所以它在標案裡面的委員的確有聘請比較多的有關中科院的委員\n\n04:37.219 --> 04:57.111\n但是中會的委員在評選過程中間我們也從來沒有針對我們自己或是有任何協力廠商去做任何的私相授受的行為我想這個標案到現在有沒有具體的規範排除類似的狀況有沒有有我答應給委員把這些報告也給我把這個規範都給委員\n\n04:58.612 --> 05:19.988\n好那去年的外交部林部長率團台灣卓越無人機海外商機聯盟出席在立陶宛舉辦的無人機產業論壇之後就傳出中科院計畫將以具備的無人機設計授權國內業者\n\n05:23.351 --> 05:40.938\n那業者若獲得訂單中科院再依產量取得權利金目前中科院執行的狀況如何收到的權利金有多少你回答一下各位報告我們現在經過國安部核定\n\n05:41.877 --> 06:02.970\n已經可以釋出的技術就是總共有九項那這九項技術我們現在是開放給業界來認領那業界跟我們連協商的合約都還在簽署當中所以說目前還沒有任何權利金的收入我們目前所有收入的部分是我們替國內無人機業者所做的技術服務去年\n\n06:04.091 --> 06:24.176\n外交部林部長都率團到立陶宛那你應該現在授權給國內的業者應該要收取的權益金到現在一個都沒有九項是檯面上的九項檯面下的九項另外你執行的沒有這就是你執行的能力問題嘛部長\n\n06:26.519 --> 06:48.484\n如果他沒有這個能力的話該換了啦重新的把中科院提政提升能夠更好如果今天中科院長沒有這個轉型的能力的話也應該重新思考是不是呀還有更好的人選台灣的無人機裡面\n\n06:50.486 --> 07:04.254\n載機的產業發展不如中美起步也稍晚了一點那其實包含日韓日本跟韓國也發現在這個領域上如果無法做到精密的合作\n\n07:06.151 --> 07:06.371\n所以部長\n\n07:23.260 --> 07:38.320\n你能不能回答一下剛剛以上這一些的種種中科院過去的弊端包含以軍民合作的立場上是不是要改進改變部長你來回答一下\n\n07:39.450 --> 08:03.681\n我想剛剛院長有提到了像現在中科院的五家子公司都沒有了就沒有沒有再有子公司這個狀況存在這第一個第二個就是說科技成果向民間的移轉那我們現在也在督促中科院要盡量的移轉這些技術那我也督促軍備局要加強督導這個部分所以我們現在不斷的在研\n\n08:05.001 --> 08:22.690\n這個中科院可以去做計轉的這個部分所以中科院也在努力的在進行當中那其他相關一些我想院長已經做了一些的改革之後他剛剛已經同意就是說因為詳細的部分在於書面跟委員做一個報告這樣子\n\n08:23.750 --> 08:51.118\n因為中科院是以具有目前來講無人機包含艦的部分來講是一個重中之重要轉型要改型提升這是一個非常重要的一環中科院不能夠再跟過去一樣官僚文化的作風因為今天來講國防部長有責任監督那對國人來講當然要有交代\n\n08:52.418 --> 09:06.268\n那另外就是關於中科院院長請回我想請教一下部長今天的報告中提到了明年陸軍將新增的無人機大隊海軍陸戰隊66旅戰車營也將轉型為無人機營\n\n09:13.573 --> 09:32.762\n本席在今年6月就陸軍將成立首次無人機部隊提出書面的質詢指出根據美軍的經驗無人機部隊面臨最嚴厲的挑戰在於無法完全適應戰場的轉型\n\n09:35.723 --> 09:44.813\n那美軍的經驗無人機部隊面臨最嚴厲這個以傳統部隊完全協同任務根據\n\n09:49.362 --> 10:07.892\n這些傳統部隊在與地面部隊是不是有協調性的共同的一個協調因為目前來講據說還沒有各做各的希望了解國際對無人機部隊的相關信念作為\n\n10:08.732 --> 10:29.311\n不過當初給本席的回覆是陸軍表示目前只有人員操作無人機的訓練還沒有進行到相關的戰術的訓練那參謀長回答這個問題好不好我們是不是連山來回答一下就這個相關的\n\n10:30.782 --> 10:49.926\n我想無人機有一個整體的規劃我們包括有訓示室來負責的相關的一些無人機的訓練那整體的這個作戰的整體的無人機的整體的規劃也有一些好委員好我是作機師次長跟委員報告我們無人機是先從作戰運用規劃來去規劃整體的構想\n\n10:53.007 --> 11:07.455\n那接著會依照不同的包含尖針型攻擊型無人機並且整合到我們現行的精準武器還有各軍種的制式的武器怎麼結合整體的作戰應用來形成多層次的擊殺鏈\n\n11:08.536 --> 11:35.565\n那因此依照這樣子的作戰應用我們在國防部已經測班了一個作戰機無人機的作戰應用的一個準則那並且再交由各軍種依照他的戰術任務的執行來去測班他作戰應用的準則跟教則必須去執行訓練那這個相關的訓練規劃都在各軍種的訓練班隊還有現在成編之後無人機的大隊各單位的無人機的編組會持續向下做細部的發展好向下\n\n11:36.565 --> 12:05.134\n待會我要問你你們後續的進度如何本身發現很多人在看待國防部容易產生一個誤區就是擁有武器就代表擁有戰力但是其實戰力的來源之一是如何以戰術發揮人員和武器的優勢那因此本身想請教無人機大隊要成立除了飛手養成外\n\n12:07.762 --> 12:17.748\n硬要還要包含什麼在含電維護員資料分析人員和指揮官這些人員是否已經開始著手培訓\n\n12:19.110 --> 12:39.925\n有沒有著手培訓跟委員報告我們是以無人機的到最小是一個無人機的小組那這裡面當然包含到組長兼真的操作手跟攻擊手還有後勤的這個操作手所以他是一個整體的編組那至於他整體編組的各部的執行作為跟後續的訓練建議這個私下再跟委員做報告\n\n12:40.405 --> 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