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00:01:09,916\n那這個改變其實是好的因為呢它也跟上了這個時代的腳步那當然我們是個別的軍種可以看到個別軍種你可以採購的項目喔那每一位官兵呢最高每年的額度是9860元因為一點是一元嘛那呢當年度合配的點數年底要使用完畢限制在買工費的品項上面\n\n4\n00:01:10,436 --> 00:01:32,735\n也就是說呢也蠻多官兵跟我們反映說每到年底的時候像現在已經十月十月十一月十二月開始就會有很多的這個長官們希望你這個點數還沒有花完的趕快去買但是呢我想先問一下部長您看一下這張照片這個毛巾啊這個大小大概多少\n\n5\n00:01:34,760 --> 00:01:55,677\n75x33的毛巾喔你大概可以看一下75公分x33公分的毛巾這個我們所有有當兵的在你的不管陸海空三軍喔在你的這個APP上面都可以看到我想要問一下部長你覺得這個國軍公發知識毛巾如果要購買的話你覺得大概應該多少的價格是比較合理的一條物價標準來說\n\n6\n00:02:00,919 --> 00:02:20,724\n我可能沒有辦法回答為什麼你覺得就是就是因你啊就是欸等一下你們旁邊不要這邊打小報告我問的是部長覺得這個毛巾大概應該要花多少錢買是你覺得比較合理的價格範圍嘛你不用告訴我說比如說一個具體的數字一個區間也可以\n\n7\n00:02:23,820 --> 00:02:30,525\n比如假設我講誇張一點300到600我就亂講了但是我的意思說一個價格的區間您覺得怎麼樣是比較合理的呢剛剛他們有提到這個毛巾的部分大概陸海君不太一樣大概90到110吧你覺得合理嗎我覺得應該是要看這個毛巾的品質毛巾的品質這樣子的品質你告訴我說90到110好再來我要問一個問題就是呢\n\n8\n00:02:53,103 --> 00:02:57,764\n來陸軍海軍空軍都過來好不好分別講一下你們賣的這個毛巾分別是多少錢同一條毛巾我們竟然陸海空三軍的價格是不一樣的我們今天就可以來看哪一個軍種被當成盤子各位啊我是在幫大家爭取福利啊包委員我自己在服裝工作站還蠻青睞這個毛巾你有錢啊你我沒有我大概買是一百塊\n\n9\n00:03:21,687 --> 00:03:28,669\n你不是買一百塊啦我印象中你一百一十塊啊來來來先跳回去我們一個一個看我們一個一個看來海軍來買多少錢海軍一百塊一百塊好來那個空軍多少錢包委員空軍是九十塊你看陸軍那個陳建一參謀長你是一百一十塊啊\n\n10\n00:03:46,352 --> 00:03:50,096\n因為應該還是要看他的那個所謂沒有因為不因為的你登進去就是這樣子我直接開給你們看了空軍是90塊錢海軍是100塊錢陸軍是110塊錢我們陸軍地雄人最多薪資範圍來說的話其實比較辛苦然後呢我們買東西買最貴\n\n11\n00:04:06,275 --> 00:04:08,418\n你覺得這樣子對我們的國軍地就合理嗎陸軍簡直被當盤子這三個毛巾是一模一樣的毛巾結果我們空軍可以買90塊錢其實已經非常貴了然後呢我們這個海軍100塊然後陸軍110塊我們剛剛三位參謀長裡面\n\n12\n00:04:25,956 --> 00:04:43,888\n空軍跟海軍都答對代表你們再怎麼說你們有掌握你們地中的這個距離的情況欸為什麼你說你常常買結果你講的價格跟上面不一樣啊我今天不跟你探討這個喔好那我要講的事情是那個部長我要跟你反映你們三位可以先回去喔這個\n\n13\n00:04:45,689 --> 00:04:56,622\n恭喜我們海軍跟空軍有正確答對喔你們至少知道到底這發生什麼事情我今天舉毛巾的例子不是說我只看毛巾這個品項而是說這個品項三軍都有那\n\n14\n00:04:59,744 --> 00:05:12,569\n部長您覺得呢第一個我剛剛問的是價格的合理性我剛剛已經給您看過了它就是一條70乘以33的毛巾在市面上賣市面上賣一般來說最多就是50塊錢但是呢我們要賣到90到110塊就是第一點第二點在於什麼呢在於我們陸海空三軍對同一個商品賣的是不同的價格那個部長您覺得合理嗎\n\n15\n00:05:29,559 --> 00:05:50,364\n這個採購是不是能夠說明一下不是我先問的是部長你覺得合不合理才在講怎麼採購的嘛你的態度是什麼嘛我想各項產品的材質重量是一樣的我先跟您說我剛看到好像毛巾的部分這個規格就有不一樣來說一下規格哪裡不一樣\n\n16\n00:05:51,394 --> 00:06:16,311\n那為什麼陸軍可以買這樣的規格海軍能買這樣的規格空軍能買這樣的規格為什麼大家的規格不能統一價格不能統一我想第一點就是說它的這個規格在有135公克也有113公克那但是我想還有涉及到材質的部分哪一個是135公克哪一個是130公克陸軍的部分是135公克\n\n17\n00:06:19,264 --> 00:06:46,233\n然後呢海軍是113然後呢你剛講的是材質的部分繼續說啊這個應該是指重量你不是說材質也不一樣材質我是沒有很清楚了解這三個的材質有什麼不同但我想所以今天我們陸軍弟兄如果他不希望花這麼多的點數他想要買90塊錢的不好意思喔在他的這個系統我是買不到的您知道這件事嗎\n\n18\n00:06:46,853 --> 00:06:58,359\n所以我剛剛也在沈委員在質詢的時候我也有提到就是說我想各個通用的這個部分的話好看下一張我告訴你這個你真的要檢討因為非常多人在表達不滿我只舉一個例子我到時候你們要檢討的時候要所有品項一起檢討我拿這個例子是因為他比較簡單易懂所以我拿這個例子出來跟你講其他的例子更複雜我怕我今天時間是不夠的\n\n19\n00:07:13,866 --> 00:07:19,811\n你們可以看一下本來部長你一定要看一下本來賣的毛巾是36塊錢結果後來因為你們改了改成有品牌的所以變成110塊錢我不反對你要賣很貴的毛巾啦但是一般平常日常生活用的國軍所需要的弟兄需要的毛巾便宜的他們買不到了\n\n20\n00:07:39,185 --> 00:07:42,027\n現在在這個購物商城上買不到了變成110了你可以看看這些都是國軍弟兄他們匿名上面的抱怨不意外那條毛巾都敢開110塊了原本36塊生活工廠變110相經的\n\n21\n00:07:57,137 --> 00:08:03,138\n這有沒有官商勾結的問題買東西樣式少價錢又高得嚇人本來毛巾是36塊結果換了一個生活工廠翻倍變110到年底還強迫大家把點數花完沒有需求還要被硬逼著買一堆自己用不到的東西以前36塊只能買5條還會缺貨最近打開來看到東西怎麼都那麼貴看到新聞圖利場商當然不是指你們一堆才上來看大家的感想\n\n22\n00:08:26,864 --> 00:08:54,079\n洗衣袋迎戰賣30到40文創不賣20被說不能賣因為這樣迎戰就賺不到錢所以呢就把它撤掉這就是我們現在國軍弟兄他們在基層的時候所遇到的真實情況如果今天這個雖然事情小可是你要想部長我們國軍弟兄人數這麼多那加起來他就會成為一個很重大的一個問題所以部長我可不可以了解一下你的態度呃\n\n23\n00:08:56,638 --> 00:09:12,837\n我想因為委員質詢的事項我必須要下去了解各個品項材質規格等等然後這些事項我想我會來統一來跟他們一起檢討好我跟你說這真的很有檢討的比啊因為抱怨的人非常多來看下一個\n\n24\n00:09:13,624 --> 00:09:25,872\n因為可能看起來是一個毛巾他可能幾十塊但是也有可能他的材質是不一樣這個我不是嘛我剛剛跟您說過了我並不是非常他就是呢他就是因為他換了品牌那他的品牌當然是比較好的品牌他的材質跟質量也有可能比較好我沒有辦法確定但是今天就是我們的國軍弟兄他認為過去我買36塊我就可以買到毛巾了也是堪用的\n\n25\n00:09:41,883 --> 00:09:47,145\n但是現在我要買我買不到你可以兩種都上架如果你真的覺得一百多塊這高質量的毛巾有這麼重要你兩個都送我沒有意見啊但是現在的狀況是國軍弟兄他們想買的東西現在買不到了就你們一個政策下去之後他們就買不到了\n\n26\n00:09:59,608 --> 00:10:22,488\n這是第一點第二點是類似的東西我不管你講135克或130克這個基本上就是類似的東西你陸海空軍的價格竟然是不一樣的我昨天去訪掉很多的國軍弟兄我才發現他們根本不知道因為陸軍只能看到陸軍的系統空軍只能看到空軍的系統海軍只能看到海軍的系統所以他們都以為跟我一樣都是買110塊\n\n27\n00:10:26,611 --> 00:10:32,859\n結果我一講才發現原來空間是90喔大家都會有相對剝奪感你只是因為你的這一些APP它看不到對方軍種的所以大家才會覺得說我們原來就是這樣再來\n\n28\n00:10:43,115 --> 00:11:01,119\n像這個我想剛剛委員指教就是說品項一個品項有一個多樣性的選擇我想我下去可以來檢討是你這個第一個多樣性的選擇第二個如果他已經非常類似了就是你才差五克你告訴我說你要差十塊到二十塊我覺得如果我是一個消費者來說我就不能接受了何況這個點數應該是讓我們的國軍弟兄他有某一種程度的這個福利然後還因為不同的軍種然後有不同的售價我覺得應該要統一來處理再來\n\n29\n00:11:13,041 --> 00:11:35,459\n像這種呢大家會想要買的國軍弟兄會想要買這是屬於自費的就經常是處於一個不貨中的狀態那所以說很多的國軍弟兄一直講說呢到年底就叫別人花點數可是他想要買的東西呢永遠都在進貨當中那所以說我希望這一點呢也可以稍微去做一些改進既然你們都已經上架到這個系統上面了\n\n30\n00:11:35,859 --> 00:11:48,853\n就要盡量讓大家能夠購買得到啊否則大家想買的東西每一次都在不管是自費或者是用點數扣的都在補貨當中永遠都買不到那這樣子你們做的這個商店還有什麼意義嗎來我們再繼續往下看這個也是一樣\n\n31\n00:11:53,337 --> 00:12:01,463\n同樣類型不完全相同不是同一雙鞋我告訴你同一樣類型的靴子有的軍種賣2000塊有的軍種賣2500塊這個特別是宣傳的賣2500塊有的人賣2400塊所以我才說我從毛巾跟你講是因為它比較好比較但是從毛巾衣服到靴子都比較高價位的靴子都是同樣的狀況再給您看一些陳情\n\n32\n00:12:21,917 --> 00:12:39,700\n迷彩技工服1800塊材質爛到爆被火花噴到直接就融穿了用這種材質當技工服嗎他後面在罵的我就不講了很多東西限量購買要讓工廠好抓量爆表好看因為點數要消耗完\n\n33\n00:12:40,580 --> 00:12:43,781\n然後呢還有什麼這個中華民國的公發點數納稅錢我們都有繳稅1500塊的東西如果變成3000這樣錢沒有被拐走嗎這些都是大家講你看喔2500塊的靴子商城限定講的多好穿結果每一個穿上去的都說很難穿\n\n34\n00:13:03,266 --> 00:13:27,097\n所以我想要幫大家是爭取這個福利就是說呢第一個既然我們有這個點數讓他們每年可以去使用這個也是納稅錢那我們國軍弟兄他能夠去花的那他的購買的東西的品質我覺得一定要有然後呢價格上面生活上的用品就是要用生活上的價格\n\n35\n00:13:28,243 --> 00:13:41,039\n我們一般出去外面買毛巾大概多少錢在商店買毛巾多少錢大概大家都知道你是30塊到50塊差不多就是那個價格一條那結果如果我們在國軍購物站裡面你要賣到100多塊錢\n\n36\n00:13:43,274 --> 00:13:57,701\n那他們就說好啊那我就去外面買你聽起來很合理對不對可是不對啊他有點數要花完啊而且每年到年末的時候大家就會開始講說你要使用的點數把它花完啊那最後他就買毛巾來湊數\n\n37\n00:13:59,602 --> 00:14:12,111\n那這個臭的這個數量它的價格又不合理那變成是所有我們基層的軍人都知道這件事情但我們的長官不清楚所以在這裡我要再一次的幫我們的基層軍官跟我們部長請命這個商城的問題你不要看它小但它引起的基層軍官的民怨非常的大而且這不是我第一次看到了\n\n38\n00:14:22,779 --> 00:14:43,735\n是因為一直遲遲都沒有改善所以我今天在業務報告的時候提出來我希望部長可以做一個完全全面的改革那因為時間的關係我沒有辦法一個一個一項一項的品項跟你說以及幫每一位的不同軍種的軍官他們跟你反映但是呢希望我們事後我們後續再針對各個應該要\n\n39\n00:14:48,699 --> 00:14:51,520\n檢討的品項我們做一個全面的檢討讓這個公發的點數讓這個商城讓他的商品都能夠符合我們的國軍需求部長可以嗎\n\n40\n00:14:59,953 --> 00:15:20,634\n我想委員的一個指教我會下去進行研討因為相關的這些品項的部分這麼的眾多其實也沒有到很多了你應該沒有看過各軍種跟各官兵的這個多元的選擇性這個部分然後還有您剛剛提到的舒適性的等等我想我們都會來測定好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n9\t24704\t我們有請顧立雄 顧部長有請顧部長部長好其實又快到年末了所以我要來關心一下我們的服裝攻售戰我們國軍官兵的個人服裝的磨損換補過去我們是用手填單耗時又費工\n28926\t45038\t新的政策上路之後從2021年開始我們有服裝供售站正式營運除了實體店面之外這個資訊系統可以讓國軍官兵透過Apple自主選購然後透過物流宅配送達\n45879\t69916\t那這個改變其實是好的因為呢它也跟上了這個時代的腳步那當然我們是個別的軍種可以看到個別軍種你可以採購的項目喔那每一位官兵呢最高每年的額度是9860元因為一點是一元嘛那呢當年度合配的點數年底要使用完畢限制在買工費的品項上面\n70436\t92735\t也就是說呢也蠻多官兵跟我們反映說每到年底的時候像現在已經十月十月十一月十二月開始就會有很多的這個長官們希望你這個點數還沒有花完的趕快去買但是呢我想先問一下部長您看一下這張照片這個毛巾啊這個大小大概多少\n94760\t115677\t75x33的毛巾喔你大概可以看一下75公分x33公分的毛巾這個我們所有有當兵的在你的不管陸海空三軍喔在你的這個APP上面都可以看到我想要問一下部長你覺得這個國軍公發知識毛巾如果要購買的話你覺得大概應該多少的價格是比較合理的一條物價標準來說\n120919\t140724\t我可能沒有辦法回答為什麼 你覺得就是就是因你啊就是 欸 等一下 你們旁邊不要這邊打小報告我問的是部長覺得這個毛巾大概應該要花多少錢買是你覺得比較合理的價格範圍嘛你不用告訴我說 比如說一個具體的數字 一個區間也可以\n143820\t150525\t比如假設我講誇張一點300到600我就亂講了但是我的意思說一個價格的區間您覺得怎麼樣是比較合理的呢剛剛他們有提到這個毛巾的部分大概陸海君不太一樣大概90到110吧你覺得合理嗎我覺得應該是要看這個毛巾的品質毛巾的品質這樣子的品質你告訴我說90到110好再來我要問一個問題就是呢\n173103\t177764\t來 陸軍 海軍 空軍都過來好不好分別講一下你們賣的這個毛巾分別是多少錢 同一條毛巾我們竟然陸海空三軍的價格是不一樣的我們今天就可以來看哪一個軍種被當成盤子各位啊 我是在幫大家爭取福利啊包委員 我自己在服裝工作站還蠻青睞這個毛巾你有錢啊你我沒有 我大概買是一百塊\n201687\t208669\t你不是買一百塊啦我印象中你一百一十塊啊來來來先跳回去我們一個一個看我們一個一個看來海軍來買多少錢海軍一百塊一百塊好來那個空軍多少錢包委員空軍是九十塊你看陸軍那個陳建一參謀長你是一百一十塊啊\n226352\t230096\t因為應該還是要看他的那個所謂沒有因為不因為的你登進去就是這樣子我直接開給你們看了空軍是90塊錢海軍是100塊錢陸軍是110塊錢我們陸軍地雄人最多薪資範圍來說的話其實比較辛苦然後呢我們買東西買最貴\n246275\t248418\t你覺得這樣子對我們的國軍地就合理嗎陸軍簡直被當盤子這三個毛巾是一模一樣的毛巾結果我們空軍可以買90塊錢其實已經非常貴了然後呢我們這個海軍100塊然後陸軍110塊我們剛剛三位參謀長裡面\n265956\t283888\t空軍跟海軍都答對代表你們再怎麼說你們有掌握你們地中的這個距離的情況欸為什麼你說你常常買結果你講的價格跟上面不一樣啊我今天不跟你探討這個喔好 那我要講的事情是那個部長我要跟你反映你們三位可以先回去喔 這個\n285689\t296622\t恭喜我們海軍跟空軍有正確答對喔你們至少知道到底這發生什麼事情我今天舉毛巾的例子不是說我只看毛巾這個品項而是說這個品項三軍都有那\n299744\t312569\t部長您覺得呢第一個我剛剛問的是價格的合理性我剛剛已經給您看過了它就是一條70乘以33的毛巾在市面上賣市面上賣一般來說最多就是50塊錢但是呢我們要賣到90到110塊就是第一點第二點在於什麼呢在於我們陸海空三軍對同一個商品賣的是不同的價格那個 部長您覺得合理嗎\n329559\t350364\t這個採購是不是能夠說明一下不是我先問的是部長你覺得合不合理才在講怎麼採購的嘛你的態度是什麼嘛我想各項產品的材質重量是一樣的我先跟您說我剛看到好像毛巾的部分這個規格就有不一樣來說一下規格哪裡不一樣\n351394\t376311\t那為什麼陸軍可以買這樣的規格海軍能買這樣的規格空軍能買這樣的規格為什麼大家的規格不能統一價格不能統一我想第一點就是說它的這個規格在有135公克也有113公克那但是我想還有涉及到材質的部分哪一個是135公克哪一個是130公克陸軍的部分是135公克\n379264\t406233\t然後呢海軍是113然後呢你剛講的是材質的部分繼續說啊這個應該是指重量你不是說材質也不一樣材質我是沒有很清楚了解這三個的材質有什麼不同但我想所以今天我們陸軍弟兄如果他不希望花這麼多的點數他想要買90塊錢的不好意思喔在他的這個系統我是買不到的您知道這件事嗎\n406853\t418359\t所以我剛剛也在沈委員在質詢的時候我也有提到就是說我想各個通用的這個部分的話好看下一張我告訴你這個你真的要檢討因為非常多人在表達不滿我只舉一個例子我到時候你們要檢討的時候要所有品項一起檢討我拿這個例子是因為他比較簡單易懂所以我拿這個例子出來跟你講其他的例子更複雜我怕我今天時間是不夠的\n433866\t439811\t你們可以看一下本來部長你一定要看一下本來賣的毛巾是36塊錢結果後來因為你們改了改成有品牌的所以變成110塊錢我不反對你要賣很貴的毛巾啦但是一般平常日常生活用的國軍所需要的弟兄需要的毛巾便宜的他們買不到了\n459185\t462027\t現在在這個購物商城上買不到了變成110了你可以看看這些都是國軍弟兄他們匿名上面的抱怨不意外那條毛巾都敢開110塊了原本36塊生活工廠變110相經的\n477137\t483138\t這有沒有官商勾結的問題買東西樣式少價錢又高得嚇人本來毛巾是36塊結果換了一個生活工廠翻倍變110到年底還強迫大家把點數花完沒有需求還要被硬逼著買一堆自己用不到的東西以前36塊只能買5條還會缺貨最近打開來看到東西怎麼都那麼貴看到新聞圖利場商當然不是指你們一堆才上來看大家的感想\n506864\t534079\t洗衣袋迎戰賣30到40文創不賣20被說不能賣因為這樣迎戰就賺不到錢所以呢就把它撤掉這就是我們現在國軍弟兄他們在基層的時候所遇到的真實情況如果今天這個雖然事情小可是你要想部長我們國軍弟兄人數這麼多那加起來他就會成為一個很重大的一個問題所以部長我可不可以了解一下你的態度呃\n536638\t552837\t我想因為委員質詢的事項我必須要下去了解各個品項材質規格等等然後這些事項我想我會來統一來跟他們一起檢討好我跟你說這真的很有檢討的比啊因為抱怨的人非常多來看下一個\n553624\t565872\t因為可能看起來是一個毛巾他可能幾十塊但是也有可能他的材質是不一樣這個我不是嘛我剛剛跟您說過了我並不是非常他就是呢他就是因為他換了品牌那他的品牌當然是比較好的品牌他的材質跟質量也有可能比較好我沒有辦法確定但是今天就是我們的國軍弟兄他認為過去我買36塊我就可以買到毛巾了也是堪用的\n581883\t587145\t但是現在我要買我買不到你可以兩種都上架如果你真的覺得一百多塊這高質量的毛巾有這麼重要你兩個都送我沒有意見啊但是現在的狀況是國軍弟兄他們想買的東西現在買不到了就你們一個政策下去之後他們就買不到了\n599608\t622488\t這是第一點 第二點是類似的東西我不管你講135克或130克這個基本上就是類似的東西你陸海空軍的價格竟然是不一樣的我昨天去訪掉很多的國軍弟兄我才發現他們根本不知道因為陸軍只能看到陸軍的系統空軍只能看到空軍的系統海軍只能看到海軍的系統所以他們都以為跟我一樣都是買110塊\n626611\t632859\t結果我一講才發現原來空間是90喔大家都會有相對剝奪感你只是因為你的這一些APP它看不到對方軍種的所以大家才會覺得說我們原來就是這樣再來\n643115\t661119\t像這個 我想剛剛委員指教就是說品項一個品項有一個多樣性的選擇我想我下去可以來檢討是你這個第一個多樣性的選擇第二個如果他已經非常類似了就是你才差五克你告訴我說你要差十塊到二十塊我覺得如果我是一個消費者來說我就不能接受了何況這個點數應該是讓我們的國軍弟兄他有某一種程度的這個福利然後還因為不同的軍種然後有不同的售價我覺得應該要統一來處理再來\n673041\t695459\t像這種呢大家會想要買的國軍弟兄會想要買這是屬於自費的就經常是處於一個不貨中的狀態那所以說很多的國軍弟兄一直講說呢到年底就叫別人花點數可是他想要買的東西呢永遠都在進貨當中那所以說我希望這一點呢也可以稍微去做一些改進既然你們都已經上架到這個系統上面了\n695859\t708853\t就要盡量讓大家能夠購買得到啊否則大家想買的東西每一次都在不管是自費或者是用點數扣的都在補貨當中永遠都買不到那這樣子你們做的這個商店還有什麼意義嗎來我們再繼續往下看這個也是一樣\n713337\t721463\t同樣類型不完全相同不是同一雙鞋我告訴你同一樣類型的靴子有的軍種賣2000塊有的軍種賣2500塊這個特別是宣傳的賣2500塊有的人賣2400塊所以我才說我從毛巾跟你講是因為它比較好比較但是從毛巾衣服到靴子都比較高價位的靴子都是同樣的狀況再給您看一些陳情\n741917\t759700\t迷彩技工服1800塊材質爛到爆被火花噴到直接就融穿了用這種材質當技工服嗎他後面在罵的我就不講了很多東西限量購買要讓工廠好抓量爆表好看因為點數要消耗完\n760580\t763781\t然後呢還有什麼這個中華民國的公發點數納稅錢我們都有繳稅1500塊的東西如果變成3000這樣錢沒有被拐走嗎這些都是大家講你看喔2500塊的靴子商城限定講的多好穿結果每一個穿上去的都說很難穿\n783266\t807097\t所以我想要幫大家是爭取這個福利就是說呢第一個既然我們有這個點數讓他們每年可以去使用這個也是納稅錢那我們國軍弟兄他能夠去花的那他的購買的東西的品質我覺得一定要有然後呢價格上面生活上的用品就是要用生活上的價格\n808243\t821039\t我們一般出去外面買毛巾大概多少錢在商店買毛巾多少錢大概大家都知道你是30塊到50塊差不多就是那個價格一條那結果如果我們在國軍購物站裡面你要賣到100多塊錢\n823274\t837701\t那他們就說好啊那我就去外面買你聽起來很合理對不對可是不對啊他有點數要花完啊而且每年到年末的時候大家就會開始講說你要使用的點數把它花完啊那最後他就買毛巾來湊數\n839602\t852111\t那這個臭的這個數量它的價格又不合理那變成是所有我們基層的軍人都知道這件事情但我們的長官不清楚所以在這裡我要再一次的幫我們的基層軍官跟我們部長請命這個商城的問題你不要看它小但它引起的基層軍官的民怨非常的大而且這不是我第一次看到了\n862779\t883735\t是因為一直遲遲都沒有改善所以我今天在業務報告的時候提出來我希望部長可以做一個完全全面的改革那因為時間的關係我沒有辦法一個一個一項一項的品項跟你說以及幫每一位的不同軍種的軍官他們跟你反映但是呢希望我們事後我們後續再針對各個應該要\n888699\t891520\t檢討的品項 我們做一個全面的檢討讓這個公發的點數 讓這個商城讓他的商品 都能夠符合我們的國軍需求 部長可以嗎\n899953\t920634\t我想委員的一個指教我會下去進行研討因為相關的這些品項的部分這麼的眾多其實也沒有到很多了你應該沒有看過各軍種跟各官兵的這個多元的選擇性這個部分然後還有您剛剛提到的舒適性的等等我想我們都會來測定好 謝謝\n","txt":"我們有請顧立雄 顧部長有請顧部長部長好其實又快到年末了所以我要來關心一下我們的服裝攻售戰我們國軍官兵的個人服裝的磨損換補過去我們是用手填單耗時又費工\n新的政策上路之後從2021年開始我們有服裝供售站正式營運除了實體店面之外這個資訊系統可以讓國軍官兵透過Apple自主選購然後透過物流宅配送達\n那這個改變其實是好的因為呢它也跟上了這個時代的腳步那當然我們是個別的軍種可以看到個別軍種你可以採購的項目喔那每一位官兵呢最高每年的額度是9860元因為一點是一元嘛那呢當年度合配的點數年底要使用完畢限制在買工費的品項上面\n也就是說呢也蠻多官兵跟我們反映說每到年底的時候像現在已經十月十月十一月十二月開始就會有很多的這個長官們希望你這個點數還沒有花完的趕快去買但是呢我想先問一下部長您看一下這張照片這個毛巾啊這個大小大概多少\n75x33的毛巾喔你大概可以看一下75公分x33公分的毛巾這個我們所有有當兵的在你的不管陸海空三軍喔在你的這個APP上面都可以看到我想要問一下部長你覺得這個國軍公發知識毛巾如果要購買的話你覺得大概應該多少的價格是比較合理的一條物價標準來說\n我可能沒有辦法回答為什麼 你覺得就是就是因你啊就是 欸 等一下 你們旁邊不要這邊打小報告我問的是部長覺得這個毛巾大概應該要花多少錢買是你覺得比較合理的價格範圍嘛你不用告訴我說 比如說一個具體的數字 一個區間也可以\n比如假設我講誇張一點300到600我就亂講了但是我的意思說一個價格的區間您覺得怎麼樣是比較合理的呢剛剛他們有提到這個毛巾的部分大概陸海君不太一樣大概90到110吧你覺得合理嗎我覺得應該是要看這個毛巾的品質毛巾的品質這樣子的品質你告訴我說90到110好再來我要問一個問題就是呢\n來 陸軍 海軍 空軍都過來好不好分別講一下你們賣的這個毛巾分別是多少錢 同一條毛巾我們竟然陸海空三軍的價格是不一樣的我們今天就可以來看哪一個軍種被當成盤子各位啊 我是在幫大家爭取福利啊包委員 我自己在服裝工作站還蠻青睞這個毛巾你有錢啊你我沒有 我大概買是一百塊\n你不是買一百塊啦我印象中你一百一十塊啊來來來先跳回去我們一個一個看我們一個一個看來海軍來買多少錢海軍一百塊一百塊好來那個空軍多少錢包委員空軍是九十塊你看陸軍那個陳建一參謀長你是一百一十塊啊\n因為應該還是要看他的那個所謂沒有因為不因為的你登進去就是這樣子我直接開給你們看了空軍是90塊錢海軍是100塊錢陸軍是110塊錢我們陸軍地雄人最多薪資範圍來說的話其實比較辛苦然後呢我們買東西買最貴\n你覺得這樣子對我們的國軍地就合理嗎陸軍簡直被當盤子這三個毛巾是一模一樣的毛巾結果我們空軍可以買90塊錢其實已經非常貴了然後呢我們這個海軍100塊然後陸軍110塊我們剛剛三位參謀長裡面\n空軍跟海軍都答對代表你們再怎麼說你們有掌握你們地中的這個距離的情況欸為什麼你說你常常買結果你講的價格跟上面不一樣啊我今天不跟你探討這個喔好 那我要講的事情是那個部長我要跟你反映你們三位可以先回去喔 這個\n恭喜我們海軍跟空軍有正確答對喔你們至少知道到底這發生什麼事情我今天舉毛巾的例子不是說我只看毛巾這個品項而是說這個品項三軍都有那\n部長您覺得呢第一個我剛剛問的是價格的合理性我剛剛已經給您看過了它就是一條70乘以33的毛巾在市面上賣市面上賣一般來說最多就是50塊錢但是呢我們要賣到90到110塊就是第一點第二點在於什麼呢在於我們陸海空三軍對同一個商品賣的是不同的價格那個 部長您覺得合理嗎\n這個採購是不是能夠說明一下不是我先問的是部長你覺得合不合理才在講怎麼採購的嘛你的態度是什麼嘛我想各項產品的材質重量是一樣的我先跟您說我剛看到好像毛巾的部分這個規格就有不一樣來說一下規格哪裡不一樣\n那為什麼陸軍可以買這樣的規格海軍能買這樣的規格空軍能買這樣的規格為什麼大家的規格不能統一價格不能統一我想第一點就是說它的這個規格在有135公克也有113公克那但是我想還有涉及到材質的部分哪一個是135公克哪一個是130公克陸軍的部分是135公克\n然後呢海軍是113然後呢你剛講的是材質的部分繼續說啊這個應該是指重量你不是說材質也不一樣材質我是沒有很清楚了解這三個的材質有什麼不同但我想所以今天我們陸軍弟兄如果他不希望花這麼多的點數他想要買90塊錢的不好意思喔在他的這個系統我是買不到的您知道這件事嗎\n所以我剛剛也在沈委員在質詢的時候我也有提到就是說我想各個通用的這個部分的話好看下一張我告訴你這個你真的要檢討因為非常多人在表達不滿我只舉一個例子我到時候你們要檢討的時候要所有品項一起檢討我拿這個例子是因為他比較簡單易懂所以我拿這個例子出來跟你講其他的例子更複雜我怕我今天時間是不夠的\n你們可以看一下本來部長你一定要看一下本來賣的毛巾是36塊錢結果後來因為你們改了改成有品牌的所以變成110塊錢我不反對你要賣很貴的毛巾啦但是一般平常日常生活用的國軍所需要的弟兄需要的毛巾便宜的他們買不到了\n現在在這個購物商城上買不到了變成110了你可以看看這些都是國軍弟兄他們匿名上面的抱怨不意外那條毛巾都敢開110塊了原本36塊生活工廠變110相經的\n這有沒有官商勾結的問題買東西樣式少價錢又高得嚇人本來毛巾是36塊結果換了一個生活工廠翻倍變110到年底還強迫大家把點數花完沒有需求還要被硬逼著買一堆自己用不到的東西以前36塊只能買5條還會缺貨最近打開來看到東西怎麼都那麼貴看到新聞圖利場商當然不是指你們一堆才上來看大家的感想\n洗衣袋迎戰賣30到40文創不賣20被說不能賣因為這樣迎戰就賺不到錢所以呢就把它撤掉這就是我們現在國軍弟兄他們在基層的時候所遇到的真實情況如果今天這個雖然事情小可是你要想部長我們國軍弟兄人數這麼多那加起來他就會成為一個很重大的一個問題所以部長我可不可以了解一下你的態度呃\n我想因為委員質詢的事項我必須要下去了解各個品項材質規格等等然後這些事項我想我會來統一來跟他們一起檢討好我跟你說這真的很有檢討的比啊因為抱怨的人非常多來看下一個\n因為可能看起來是一個毛巾他可能幾十塊但是也有可能他的材質是不一樣這個我不是嘛我剛剛跟您說過了我並不是非常他就是呢他就是因為他換了品牌那他的品牌當然是比較好的品牌他的材質跟質量也有可能比較好我沒有辦法確定但是今天就是我們的國軍弟兄他認為過去我買36塊我就可以買到毛巾了也是堪用的\n但是現在我要買我買不到你可以兩種都上架如果你真的覺得一百多塊這高質量的毛巾有這麼重要你兩個都送我沒有意見啊但是現在的狀況是國軍弟兄他們想買的東西現在買不到了就你們一個政策下去之後他們就買不到了\n這是第一點 第二點是類似的東西我不管你講135克或130克這個基本上就是類似的東西你陸海空軍的價格竟然是不一樣的我昨天去訪掉很多的國軍弟兄我才發現他們根本不知道因為陸軍只能看到陸軍的系統空軍只能看到空軍的系統海軍只能看到海軍的系統所以他們都以為跟我一樣都是買110塊\n結果我一講才發現原來空間是90喔大家都會有相對剝奪感你只是因為你的這一些APP它看不到對方軍種的所以大家才會覺得說我們原來就是這樣再來\n像這個 我想剛剛委員指教就是說品項一個品項有一個多樣性的選擇我想我下去可以來檢討是你這個第一個多樣性的選擇第二個如果他已經非常類似了就是你才差五克你告訴我說你要差十塊到二十塊我覺得如果我是一個消費者來說我就不能接受了何況這個點數應該是讓我們的國軍弟兄他有某一種程度的這個福利然後還因為不同的軍種然後有不同的售價我覺得應該要統一來處理再來\n像這種呢大家會想要買的國軍弟兄會想要買這是屬於自費的就經常是處於一個不貨中的狀態那所以說很多的國軍弟兄一直講說呢到年底就叫別人花點數可是他想要買的東西呢永遠都在進貨當中那所以說我希望這一點呢也可以稍微去做一些改進既然你們都已經上架到這個系統上面了\n就要盡量讓大家能夠購買得到啊否則大家想買的東西每一次都在不管是自費或者是用點數扣的都在補貨當中永遠都買不到那這樣子你們做的這個商店還有什麼意義嗎來我們再繼續往下看這個也是一樣\n同樣類型不完全相同不是同一雙鞋我告訴你同一樣類型的靴子有的軍種賣2000塊有的軍種賣2500塊這個特別是宣傳的賣2500塊有的人賣2400塊所以我才說我從毛巾跟你講是因為它比較好比較但是從毛巾衣服到靴子都比較高價位的靴子都是同樣的狀況再給您看一些陳情\n迷彩技工服1800塊材質爛到爆被火花噴到直接就融穿了用這種材質當技工服嗎他後面在罵的我就不講了很多東西限量購買要讓工廠好抓量爆表好看因為點數要消耗完\n然後呢還有什麼這個中華民國的公發點數納稅錢我們都有繳稅1500塊的東西如果變成3000這樣錢沒有被拐走嗎這些都是大家講你看喔2500塊的靴子商城限定講的多好穿結果每一個穿上去的都說很難穿\n所以我想要幫大家是爭取這個福利就是說呢第一個既然我們有這個點數讓他們每年可以去使用這個也是納稅錢那我們國軍弟兄他能夠去花的那他的購買的東西的品質我覺得一定要有然後呢價格上面生活上的用品就是要用生活上的價格\n我們一般出去外面買毛巾大概多少錢在商店買毛巾多少錢大概大家都知道你是30塊到50塊差不多就是那個價格一條那結果如果我們在國軍購物站裡面你要賣到100多塊錢\n那他們就說好啊那我就去外面買你聽起來很合理對不對可是不對啊他有點數要花完啊而且每年到年末的時候大家就會開始講說你要使用的點數把它花完啊那最後他就買毛巾來湊數\n那這個臭的這個數量它的價格又不合理那變成是所有我們基層的軍人都知道這件事情但我們的長官不清楚所以在這裡我要再一次的幫我們的基層軍官跟我們部長請命這個商城的問題你不要看它小但它引起的基層軍官的民怨非常的大而且這不是我第一次看到了\n是因為一直遲遲都沒有改善所以我今天在業務報告的時候提出來我希望部長可以做一個完全全面的改革那因為時間的關係我沒有辦法一個一個一項一項的品項跟你說以及幫每一位的不同軍種的軍官他們跟你反映但是呢希望我們事後我們後續再針對各個應該要\n檢討的品項 我們做一個全面的檢討讓這個公發的點數 讓這個商城讓他的商品 都能夠符合我們的國軍需求 部長可以嗎\n我想委員的一個指教我會下去進行研討因為相關的這些品項的部分這麼的眾多其實也沒有到很多了你應該沒有看過各軍種跟各官兵的這個多元的選擇性這個部分然後還有您剛剛提到的舒適性的等等我想我們都會來測定好 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.009 --> 00:24.704\n我們有請顧立雄顧部長有請顧部長部長好其實又快到年末了所以我要來關心一下我們的服裝攻售戰我們國軍官兵的個人服裝的磨損換補過去我們是用手填單耗時又費工\n\n00:28.926 --> 00:45.038\n新的政策上路之後從2021年開始我們有服裝供售站正式營運除了實體店面之外這個資訊系統可以讓國軍官兵透過Apple自主選購然後透過物流宅配送達\n\n00:45.879 --> 01:09.916\n那這個改變其實是好的因為呢它也跟上了這個時代的腳步那當然我們是個別的軍種可以看到個別軍種你可以採購的項目喔那每一位官兵呢最高每年的額度是9860元因為一點是一元嘛那呢當年度合配的點數年底要使用完畢限制在買工費的品項上面\n\n01:10.436 --> 01:32.735\n也就是說呢也蠻多官兵跟我們反映說每到年底的時候像現在已經十月十月十一月十二月開始就會有很多的這個長官們希望你這個點數還沒有花完的趕快去買但是呢我想先問一下部長您看一下這張照片這個毛巾啊這個大小大概多少\n\n01:34.760 --> 01:55.677\n75x33的毛巾喔你大概可以看一下75公分x33公分的毛巾這個我們所有有當兵的在你的不管陸海空三軍喔在你的這個APP上面都可以看到我想要問一下部長你覺得這個國軍公發知識毛巾如果要購買的話你覺得大概應該多少的價格是比較合理的一條物價標準來說\n\n02:00.919 --> 02:20.724\n我可能沒有辦法回答為什麼你覺得就是就是因你啊就是欸等一下你們旁邊不要這邊打小報告我問的是部長覺得這個毛巾大概應該要花多少錢買是你覺得比較合理的價格範圍嘛你不用告訴我說比如說一個具體的數字一個區間也可以\n\n02:23.820 --> 02:30.525\n比如假設我講誇張一點300到600我就亂講了但是我的意思說一個價格的區間您覺得怎麼樣是比較合理的呢剛剛他們有提到這個毛巾的部分大概陸海君不太一樣大概90到110吧你覺得合理嗎我覺得應該是要看這個毛巾的品質毛巾的品質這樣子的品質你告訴我說90到110好再來我要問一個問題就是呢\n\n02:53.103 --> 02:57.764\n來陸軍海軍空軍都過來好不好分別講一下你們賣的這個毛巾分別是多少錢同一條毛巾我們竟然陸海空三軍的價格是不一樣的我們今天就可以來看哪一個軍種被當成盤子各位啊我是在幫大家爭取福利啊包委員我自己在服裝工作站還蠻青睞這個毛巾你有錢啊你我沒有我大概買是一百塊\n\n03:21.687 --> 03:28.669\n你不是買一百塊啦我印象中你一百一十塊啊來來來先跳回去我們一個一個看我們一個一個看來海軍來買多少錢海軍一百塊一百塊好來那個空軍多少錢包委員空軍是九十塊你看陸軍那個陳建一參謀長你是一百一十塊啊\n\n03:46.352 --> 03:50.096\n因為應該還是要看他的那個所謂沒有因為不因為的你登進去就是這樣子我直接開給你們看了空軍是90塊錢海軍是100塊錢陸軍是110塊錢我們陸軍地雄人最多薪資範圍來說的話其實比較辛苦然後呢我們買東西買最貴\n\n04:06.275 --> 04:08.418\n你覺得這樣子對我們的國軍地就合理嗎陸軍簡直被當盤子這三個毛巾是一模一樣的毛巾結果我們空軍可以買90塊錢其實已經非常貴了然後呢我們這個海軍100塊然後陸軍110塊我們剛剛三位參謀長裡面\n\n04:25.956 --> 04:43.888\n空軍跟海軍都答對代表你們再怎麼說你們有掌握你們地中的這個距離的情況欸為什麼你說你常常買結果你講的價格跟上面不一樣啊我今天不跟你探討這個喔好那我要講的事情是那個部長我要跟你反映你們三位可以先回去喔這個\n\n04:45.689 --> 04:56.622\n恭喜我們海軍跟空軍有正確答對喔你們至少知道到底這發生什麼事情我今天舉毛巾的例子不是說我只看毛巾這個品項而是說這個品項三軍都有那\n\n04:59.744 --> 05:12.569\n部長您覺得呢第一個我剛剛問的是價格的合理性我剛剛已經給您看過了它就是一條70乘以33的毛巾在市面上賣市面上賣一般來說最多就是50塊錢但是呢我們要賣到90到110塊就是第一點第二點在於什麼呢在於我們陸海空三軍對同一個商品賣的是不同的價格那個部長您覺得合理嗎\n\n05:29.559 --> 05:50.364\n這個採購是不是能夠說明一下不是我先問的是部長你覺得合不合理才在講怎麼採購的嘛你的態度是什麼嘛我想各項產品的材質重量是一樣的我先跟您說我剛看到好像毛巾的部分這個規格就有不一樣來說一下規格哪裡不一樣\n\n05:51.394 --> 06:16.311\n那為什麼陸軍可以買這樣的規格海軍能買這樣的規格空軍能買這樣的規格為什麼大家的規格不能統一價格不能統一我想第一點就是說它的這個規格在有135公克也有113公克那但是我想還有涉及到材質的部分哪一個是135公克哪一個是130公克陸軍的部分是135公克\n\n06:19.264 --> 06:46.233\n然後呢海軍是113然後呢你剛講的是材質的部分繼續說啊這個應該是指重量你不是說材質也不一樣材質我是沒有很清楚了解這三個的材質有什麼不同但我想所以今天我們陸軍弟兄如果他不希望花這麼多的點數他想要買90塊錢的不好意思喔在他的這個系統我是買不到的您知道這件事嗎\n\n06:46.853 --> 06:58.359\n所以我剛剛也在沈委員在質詢的時候我也有提到就是說我想各個通用的這個部分的話好看下一張我告訴你這個你真的要檢討因為非常多人在表達不滿我只舉一個例子我到時候你們要檢討的時候要所有品項一起檢討我拿這個例子是因為他比較簡單易懂所以我拿這個例子出來跟你講其他的例子更複雜我怕我今天時間是不夠的\n\n07:13.866 --> 07:19.811\n你們可以看一下本來部長你一定要看一下本來賣的毛巾是36塊錢結果後來因為你們改了改成有品牌的所以變成110塊錢我不反對你要賣很貴的毛巾啦但是一般平常日常生活用的國軍所需要的弟兄需要的毛巾便宜的他們買不到了\n\n07:39.185 --> 07:42.027\n現在在這個購物商城上買不到了變成110了你可以看看這些都是國軍弟兄他們匿名上面的抱怨不意外那條毛巾都敢開110塊了原本36塊生活工廠變110相經的\n\n07:57.137 --> 08:03.138\n這有沒有官商勾結的問題買東西樣式少價錢又高得嚇人本來毛巾是36塊結果換了一個生活工廠翻倍變110到年底還強迫大家把點數花完沒有需求還要被硬逼著買一堆自己用不到的東西以前36塊只能買5條還會缺貨最近打開來看到東西怎麼都那麼貴看到新聞圖利場商當然不是指你們一堆才上來看大家的感想\n\n08:26.864 --> 08:54.079\n洗衣袋迎戰賣30到40文創不賣20被說不能賣因為這樣迎戰就賺不到錢所以呢就把它撤掉這就是我們現在國軍弟兄他們在基層的時候所遇到的真實情況如果今天這個雖然事情小可是你要想部長我們國軍弟兄人數這麼多那加起來他就會成為一個很重大的一個問題所以部長我可不可以了解一下你的態度呃\n\n08:56.638 --> 09:12.837\n我想因為委員質詢的事項我必須要下去了解各個品項材質規格等等然後這些事項我想我會來統一來跟他們一起檢討好我跟你說這真的很有檢討的比啊因為抱怨的人非常多來看下一個\n\n09:13.624 --> 09:25.872\n因為可能看起來是一個毛巾他可能幾十塊但是也有可能他的材質是不一樣這個我不是嘛我剛剛跟您說過了我並不是非常他就是呢他就是因為他換了品牌那他的品牌當然是比較好的品牌他的材質跟質量也有可能比較好我沒有辦法確定但是今天就是我們的國軍弟兄他認為過去我買36塊我就可以買到毛巾了也是堪用的\n\n09:41.883 --> 09:47.145\n但是現在我要買我買不到你可以兩種都上架如果你真的覺得一百多塊這高質量的毛巾有這麼重要你兩個都送我沒有意見啊但是現在的狀況是國軍弟兄他們想買的東西現在買不到了就你們一個政策下去之後他們就買不到了\n\n09:59.608 --> 10:22.488\n這是第一點第二點是類似的東西我不管你講135克或130克這個基本上就是類似的東西你陸海空軍的價格竟然是不一樣的我昨天去訪掉很多的國軍弟兄我才發現他們根本不知道因為陸軍只能看到陸軍的系統空軍只能看到空軍的系統海軍只能看到海軍的系統所以他們都以為跟我一樣都是買110塊\n\n10:26.611 --> 10:32.859\n結果我一講才發現原來空間是90喔大家都會有相對剝奪感你只是因為你的這一些APP它看不到對方軍種的所以大家才會覺得說我們原來就是這樣再來\n\n10:43.115 --> 11:01.119\n像這個我想剛剛委員指教就是說品項一個品項有一個多樣性的選擇我想我下去可以來檢討是你這個第一個多樣性的選擇第二個如果他已經非常類似了就是你才差五克你告訴我說你要差十塊到二十塊我覺得如果我是一個消費者來說我就不能接受了何況這個點數應該是讓我們的國軍弟兄他有某一種程度的這個福利然後還因為不同的軍種然後有不同的售價我覺得應該要統一來處理再來\n\n11:13.041 --> 11:35.459\n像這種呢大家會想要買的國軍弟兄會想要買這是屬於自費的就經常是處於一個不貨中的狀態那所以說很多的國軍弟兄一直講說呢到年底就叫別人花點數可是他想要買的東西呢永遠都在進貨當中那所以說我希望這一點呢也可以稍微去做一些改進既然你們都已經上架到這個系統上面了\n\n11:35.859 --> 11:48.853\n就要盡量讓大家能夠購買得到啊否則大家想買的東西每一次都在不管是自費或者是用點數扣的都在補貨當中永遠都買不到那這樣子你們做的這個商店還有什麼意義嗎來我們再繼續往下看這個也是一樣\n\n11:53.337 --> 12:01.463\n同樣類型不完全相同不是同一雙鞋我告訴你同一樣類型的靴子有的軍種賣2000塊有的軍種賣2500塊這個特別是宣傳的賣2500塊有的人賣2400塊所以我才說我從毛巾跟你講是因為它比較好比較但是從毛巾衣服到靴子都比較高價位的靴子都是同樣的狀況再給您看一些陳情\n\n12:21.917 --> 12:39.700\n迷彩技工服1800塊材質爛到爆被火花噴到直接就融穿了用這種材質當技工服嗎他後面在罵的我就不講了很多東西限量購買要讓工廠好抓量爆表好看因為點數要消耗完\n\n12:40.580 --> 12:43.781\n然後呢還有什麼這個中華民國的公發點數納稅錢我們都有繳稅1500塊的東西如果變成3000這樣錢沒有被拐走嗎這些都是大家講你看喔2500塊的靴子商城限定講的多好穿結果每一個穿上去的都說很難穿\n\n13:03.266 --> 13:27.097\n所以我想要幫大家是爭取這個福利就是說呢第一個既然我們有這個點數讓他們每年可以去使用這個也是納稅錢那我們國軍弟兄他能夠去花的那他的購買的東西的品質我覺得一定要有然後呢價格上面生活上的用品就是要用生活上的價格\n\n13:28.243 --> 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我想剛剛委員指教就是說品項一個品項有一個多樣性的選擇我想我下去可以來檢討是你這個第一個多樣性的選擇第二個如果他已經非常類似了就是你才差五克你告訴我說你要差十塊到二十塊我覺得如果我是一個消費者來說我就不能接受了何況這個點數應該是讓我們的國軍弟兄他有某一種程度的這個福利然後還因為不同的軍種然後有不同的售價我覺得應該要統一來處理再來"},{"start":673.041,"end":695.459,"text":"像這種呢大家會想要買的國軍弟兄會想要買這是屬於自費的就經常是處於一個不貨中的狀態那所以說很多的國軍弟兄一直講說呢到年底就叫別人花點數可是他想要買的東西呢永遠都在進貨當中那所以說我希望這一點呢也可以稍微去做一些改進既然你們都已經上架到這個系統上面了"},{"start":695.859,"end":708.853,"text":"就要盡量讓大家能夠購買得到啊否則大家想買的東西每一次都在不管是自費或者是用點數扣的都在補貨當中永遠都買不到那這樣子你們做的這個商店還有什麼意義嗎來我們再繼續往下看這個也是一樣"},{"start":713.337,"end":721.463,"text":"同樣類型不完全相同不是同一雙鞋我告訴你同一樣類型的靴子有的軍種賣2000塊有的軍種賣2500塊這個特別是宣傳的賣2500塊有的人賣2400塊所以我才說我從毛巾跟你講是因為它比較好比較但是從毛巾衣服到靴子都比較高價位的靴子都是同樣的狀況再給您看一些陳情"},{"start":741.917,"end":759.7,"text":"迷彩技工服1800塊材質爛到爆被火花噴到直接就融穿了用這種材質當技工服嗎他後面在罵的我就不講了很多東西限量購買要讓工廠好抓量爆表好看因為點數要消耗完"},{"start":760.58,"end":763.781,"text":"然後呢還有什麼這個中華民國的公發點數納稅錢我們都有繳稅1500塊的東西如果變成3000這樣錢沒有被拐走嗎這些都是大家講你看喔2500塊的靴子商城限定講的多好穿結果每一個穿上去的都說很難穿"},{"start":783.266,"end":807.097,"text":"所以我想要幫大家是爭取這個福利就是說呢第一個既然我們有這個點數讓他們每年可以去使用這個也是納稅錢那我們國軍弟兄他能夠去花的那他的購買的東西的品質我覺得一定要有然後呢價格上面生活上的用品就是要用生活上的價格"},{"start":808.243,"end":821.039,"text":"我們一般出去外面買毛巾大概多少錢在商店買毛巾多少錢大概大家都知道你是30塊到50塊差不多就是那個價格一條那結果如果我們在國軍購物站裡面你要賣到100多塊錢"},{"start":823.274,"end":837.701,"text":"那他們就說好啊那我就去外面買你聽起來很合理對不對可是不對啊他有點數要花完啊而且每年到年末的時候大家就會開始講說你要使用的點數把它花完啊那最後他就買毛巾來湊數"},{"start":839.602,"end":852.111,"text":"那這個臭的這個數量它的價格又不合理那變成是所有我們基層的軍人都知道這件事情但我們的長官不清楚所以在這裡我要再一次的幫我們的基層軍官跟我們部長請命這個商城的問題你不要看它小但它引起的基層軍官的民怨非常的大而且這不是我第一次看到了"},{"start":862.779,"end":883.735,"text":"是因為一直遲遲都沒有改善所以我今天在業務報告的時候提出來我希望部長可以做一個完全全面的改革那因為時間的關係我沒有辦法一個一個一項一項的品項跟你說以及幫每一位的不同軍種的軍官他們跟你反映但是呢希望我們事後我們後續再針對各個應該要"},{"start":888.699,"end":891.52,"text":"檢討的品項 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可以買到，產品非常多樣化，他們要的買不到，只好買這些，那會變成變相圖利這些廠商，所以我們也請國防部相關單位還有部長可以重視這個問題，謝謝。","接下來請賴士葆委員上臺質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":262,"meet_id":"委員會-11-4-35-8","speakers":["馬文君","王定宇","陳永康","羅美玲","陳俊宇","黃仁","沈伯洋","林楚茵","徐巧芯","賴士葆","林德福","王鴻薇","陳冠廷","李坤城","楊瓊瓔","林憶君"],"page_start":207,"meetingDate":["2025-10-23"],"gazette_id":"1148801","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1148801_00005"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第4會期外交及國防委員會第8次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"邀請國防部部長顧立雄報告業務概況，並備質詢","agenda_id":"1148801_00004"}}}