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00:00:31,874\n主席在党委员先进列席的政务机关首长官员会长工作伙伴媒体记者女士先生有请陈部长我们再请陈部长委员好部长我很迅速的延续刚刚赖会员委员所说的在日本的厨余它是转化成液态饲料来饲养猪对不对\n\n2\n00:00:32,899 --> 00:00:48,443\n對它是轉化成飼料以後再進來那為什麼要轉化成液態飼料呢兩個原因因為每個人每天都在製造廚餘所以廚餘一定要去化對不對是但是廚餘如果直接餵養會有風險所以日本在轉化成液態飼料後才給豬隻食用對不對是好\n\n3\n00:00:48,843 --> 00:01:10,286\n那我請問一下我們今年是不是宣布台灣才脫離三大疫區是今年五月株溫的嘛傳統株溫非洲株溫還有長病毒對不對口蹄疫口蹄疫不是口蹄疫那請問一下過去這幾年來關於管制廚餘申請資源再利用是不是有使用\n\n4\n00:01:11,365 --> 00:01:35,501\n我想我們從108年開始這些對廚餘的關係跟現在一樣嘛跟現在一樣沒有對所以在這樣的廚餘的再資源化利用的情況之下台灣仍然有效的達成脫離豬瘟的疫區是不是對如果說我們沒有去重視它我們不可能守住七年啊是的表示說過去這七年還是有這樣的廚餘的再資源化的利用但是\n\n5\n00:01:36,121 --> 00:02:00,956\n沒有影響到我們脫離疫區的努力這都是靠著大家落實嘛所以重點是在落實還是禁用我覺得落實是最重要的就像我們說的有人運動要去登山有人要去健行你會因為健行被車撞還是因為登山發生山難就全面禁止登山健行嗎你會這樣做嗎不會不會嗎好那我們接下來看一下那\n\n6\n00:02:02,096 --> 00:02:27,257\n請問一下什麼樣的豬種是使用廚餘是原化的我們現在了解的是大概是黑毛豬的部分黑毛豬嘛黑豬白豬各有所好那請問黑豬佔我們全體豬的量供應量大概多少有沒有8%大概大概40幾萬隻吧差不多8%8%對8%所以說絕大部分我們吃的豬肉是白肉豬白毛豬黑豬只有8%黑豬的主要消費地在哪裡\n\n7\n00:02:29,036 --> 00:02:51,883\n在桃園在桃竹苗你有沒有看過客家的那個神豬賽豬宮有沒有都是黑豬嘛這是一個特定族群的傳統的習俗跟他們的飲食習慣那麼黑豬的主要消費地是在桃竹苗那請問這個地區的黑豬使用的廚餘資源化來源地是哪裡是不是北部的餐廳\n\n8\n00:02:54,031 --> 00:03:09,209\n是嘛北部的外食人口多所以北部的連飼料的供應也是北部市場的需求也在北部所以桃豬苗的確是台灣目前這8%黑豬的產地跟市場的主要集中區是不是這樣\n\n9\n00:03:09,810 --> 00:03:32,056\n是的我跟委員報告那為什麼這次我們在台中出現了這一場我們的廚餘的資源化再利用是誰在管是不是環保局在管是地方是環保局那我們是不是有兩個原則第一兩百頭以下不得使用對不對規模化才有效益第二一定要集中高溫烹煮對不對是不是還包括說我們盡量鼓勵使用團散的食魚家庭廚餘的風險是比較高\n\n10\n00:03:33,976 --> 00:03:49,424\n相對那你認為這是無期的清潔隊他收來的廚餘是家庭廚餘還是團戰廚餘我們在疫調也會了解不過你如果不管是清潔隊或是事業廚餘或是家庭廚餘你如果要落實徵阻是落實徵阻最主要的但是風險\n\n11\n00:03:50,865 --> 00:04:13,715\n家庭廚餘有可能會是境外郵包食品的郵包比如說我不是一定但是有可能是包括境內的移工他們想念家鄉的食物進來的郵包食用後進入了家庭廚餘被清潔隊收了後送到了這個養豬場這個小規模養豬場又沒有高溫蒸煮造成了這樣的可能性這樣的可能性是不是存在\n\n12\n00:04:14,687 --> 00:04:32,957\n我覺得所有的風險我們都不可以忽視好那所以我這裡要請我們農業部一定要在行政院現在行政院有沒有聯合起來對這個非洲豬瘟的事件開始做跨部會的協調我想特別是昨天院長特別召開的這些跨部會的這個非洲豬瘟的一個應變的一個會議\n\n13\n00:04:34,378 --> 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對不對是不是還包括說我們盡量鼓勵使用團散的食魚家庭廚餘的風險是比較高\n213976\t229424\t相對那你認為這是無期的清潔隊他收來的廚餘是家庭廚餘還是團戰廚餘我們在疫調也會了解不過你如果不管是清潔隊或是事業廚餘或是家庭廚餘你如果要落實徵阻是落實徵阻最主要的但是風險\n230865\t253715\t家庭廚餘有可能會是境外郵包食品的郵包比如說我不是一定但是有可能是包括境內的移工他們想念家鄉的食物進來的郵包食用後進入了家庭廚餘被清潔隊收了後送到了這個養豬場這個小規模養豬場又沒有高溫蒸煮造成了這樣的可能性這樣的可能性是不是存在\n254687\t272957\t我覺得所有的風險我們都不可以忽視好那所以我這裡要請我們農業部一定要在行政院現在行政院有沒有聯合起來對這個非洲豬瘟的事件開始做跨部會的協調我想特別是昨天院長特別召開的這些跨部會的這個非洲豬瘟的一個應變的一個會議\n274378\t299182\t那原來的制度裡面就有中央非洲豬的中央應變中心我們會透過這個組織來運作所以包括目前在我們本來廚餘縣市廚餘管制使用必須資源化處理對不對那這個是環境部環保局在做那請問現在台中市的部分它那麼多團山那麼多營養午餐產生那麼多的廚餘這段時間不能使用那怎麼去化這是農業部管的還是環境部管的\n299962\t314455\t這個是環境部來協助地方的環保局所以地方的環保局要趕快的落實趕快的去因應在這段禁用廚餘期間團散營養午餐的這個廚餘要怎麼去化可以用燒的嗎\n316974\t334346\t不曉得 我想這是環境部環保局的問題我所了解環境部跟地方環保局昨天已經有開會然後希望說有一個儲存的地方然後用委外的方式去收取好 所以我們在這裡希望說其實這個廚餘資源化是環境議題\n335647\t362597\t對於農業部門來講養豬全部的黑豬只佔8%不是我們國家主要的養豬的主要的市場但是在國內仍然有特定的消費人口在使用所以我們希望說未來農業部跟環境部要在這一次的教訓之後我們一定要落實包括邊境管制包括這些使用的資源化必須要能夠被監督有落實高溫增煮可以嗎這一定要這樣做的好 謝謝好 謝謝\n","txt":"主席 在党委员先进列席的政务机关首长 官员会长 工作伙伴 媒体记者女士先生有请陈部长我们再请陈部长委员好部长 我很迅速的延续刚刚赖会员委员所说的在日本的厨余它是转化成液态饲料来饲养猪 对不对\n對 它是轉化成飼料以後再進來那為什麼要轉化成液態飼料呢兩個原因因為每個人每天都在製造廚餘所以廚餘一定要去化對不對是但是廚餘如果直接餵養會有風險所以日本在轉化成液態飼料後才給豬隻食用對不對是好\n那我請問一下 我們今年是不是宣布 台灣才脫離三大疫區是 今年五月 株溫的嘛 傳統株溫 非洲株溫 還有長病毒對不對口蹄疫 口蹄疫 不是 口蹄疫那請問一下 過去這幾年來關於管制廚餘 申請資源再利用 是不是有使用\n我想我們從108年開始這些對廚餘的關係跟現在一樣嘛跟現在一樣沒有對 所以在這樣的廚餘的再資源化利用的情況之下台灣仍然有效的達成脫離豬瘟的疫區是不是對 如果說我們沒有去重視它我們不可能守住七年啊是的 表示說過去這七年還是有這樣的廚餘的再資源化的利用但是\n沒有影響到我們脫離疫區的努力這都是靠著大家落實嘛所以重點是在落實還是禁用我覺得落實是最重要的就像我們說的有人運動要去登山有人要去健行你會因為健行被車撞還是因為登山發生山難就全面禁止登山健行嗎你會這樣做嗎不會不會嗎好那我們接下來看一下那\n請問一下什麼樣的豬種是使用廚餘是原化的我們現在了解的是大概是黑毛豬的部分黑毛豬嘛黑豬白豬各有所好那請問黑豬佔我們全體豬的量供應量大概多少有沒有8%大概大概40幾萬隻吧差不多8%8%對8%所以說絕大部分我們吃的豬肉是白肉豬白毛豬黑豬只有8%黑豬的主要消費地在哪裡\n在桃園 在桃竹苗 你有沒有看過客家的那個神豬賽豬宮有沒有 都是黑豬嘛這是一個特定族群的傳統的習俗跟他們的飲食習慣那麼黑豬的主要消費地是在桃竹苗那請問這個地區的黑豬使用的廚餘資源化來源地是哪裡 是不是北部的餐廳\n是嘛北部的外食人口多所以北部的連飼料的供應也是北部市場的需求也在北部所以桃豬苗的確是台灣目前這8%黑豬的產地跟市場的主要集中區是不是這樣\n是的 我跟委員報告那為什麼這次我們在台中出現了這一場我們的廚餘的資源化再利用是誰在管 是不是環保局在管是 地方是環保局那我們是不是有兩個原則第一 兩百頭以下不得使用 對不對規模化才有效益第二 一定要集中高溫烹煮 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