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00:01:56,147\n第二個接下來焚化的問題我也認為問題很大你們已經很明確的建議他們應該要以焚化來處理結果他們堅決要用掩埋那這件事情我們農業部跟我們可不可以跟環境部協調一下看他們到底可不可以協助他們能用焚化就用焚化的而不是塗增多餘的風險\n\n7\n00:01:58,329 --> 00:02:18,963\n繼續讓這件事情可能擴大我跟委員報告因為台中的豬隻我們不准他移到其他縣市然後我們在昨天中央應變中心的會議也明確的說希望是用粉化的部分那粉化的部分如果豬隻太大的話我們也調度了一些所謂的生物處理機讓他們去把這些病死豬的部分就做部分的處理再進到粉化\n\n8\n00:02:19,423 --> 00:02:31,410\n那環境部也跟昨天也跟地方的環保局在開會那我相信這個問題最後台中市政府應該也會朝向我們的決議是往焚化的方向去處理好謝謝部長因為我在這邊認為很顯然他們從採驗到後來的焚化的處理都是沒有能力的所以我覺得農業部的責任就變得更重大我們只能盡力的來協助盡力的挽救\n\n9\n00:02:45,379 --> 00:03:09,021\n那至於另外一個部分我也要提醒很顯然他們在廚餘再利用的部分是出現問題的所以他們很顯然可能沒有落實你們說的必須要90度以上然後一個小時的持續烹調然後持續攪拌這樣子的處理方式所以廚餘再利用很顯然有人沒有落實這個我們就一定要來精進一定要來更嚴格要求這個部分好嗎\n\n10\n00:03:09,582 --> 00:03:18,866\n這是我希望農業部接下來要協助的對這是我希望農業部接下來要協助的對這是我希望農業部接下來要協助的對這是我希望農業部接下來要協助的對這是我希望農業部接下來要協助的對這是我希望農業部接下來要協助的對這是我希望農業部接下來要協助的對這是我希望農業部接下來要協助的對這是我希望農業部接下來要協助的對這是我希望農業部接下來要協助的對這是我希望農業部接下來要協助的對這是我希望農業部接下來要協助的對這是我希望農業部接下來要協助的對這是我希望農業部接下來要協助的對這是我希望農業部接下來要協助的對\n\n11\n00:03:37,495 --> 00:03:59,481\n第二個這個焚化爐的問題焚化的問題拜託你們也進入協助第三個液調現在看起來台中市自己有在液調但是看起來液調的效率也不彰所以也拜託液調部分也請你們直接協助以及這28頭豬現在已經揉入市場的也請你們直接協助了我拜託農業部直接協助\n\n12\n00:04:00,201 --> 00:04:21,026\n會我想這也是為什麼我們在台中成立前進應變所的原因就是直接來協助地方政府補足地方政府量能不足的地方好那這28頭豬流入市場也請你們幫他們查清楚吧那我要講一下說這件事情真的影響非常大因為到昨天看到我們台中市長都還在講說要購物節拚經濟但卻沒有提到說這整個豬肉的產業鏈造成的\n\n13\n00:04:28,018 --> 00:04:55,962\n损失可能是上千亿元不止今天看到我们隔壁的这个双月就说卤肉饭要停卖了我们高雄南丰卤肉饭也要停卖了影响所有店家所有消费者所有猪农高达上千亿的产值都是接下来都在这样的威胁当中所以这件事情真的不可不慎然后包括说你们可能接下来禁运载可能的天数要强达15天我相信很多人都很紧张\n\n14\n00:04:57,330 --> 00:05:16,665\n我想這是必要的措施這樣的話才能夠讓我們的員工更精準掌握當然我也同意必須要面對敵人面對這麼風險這麼高的病毒我們必須要料敵從寬那最後我請一下關務署我在這邊想要講一下邊境管制的事情部長先請回座\n\n15\n00:05:17,586 --> 00:05:44,693\n那署長我在這邊請教一下因為我認為邊境管控才是這解決這整件事情的根源必須要杜絕這一些來自疫區可能的風險可是其實一直以來我都很常接到民眾說又有人從中港澳違規攜帶疫區來的肉製品包括說在蝦皮上面販賣中國的肉粽包括說在一些地方的社團販賣一些中國的月餅\n\n16\n00:05:45,473 --> 00:06:00,453\n然後甚至是來路不明的一些中港澳的豬肉的製品都流竄在網路上這個是我一直以來都有接到的那很顯然這些都是違規我也知道公安部署一直都有在查所以從2018年到現在每年幾乎都1000多件\n\n17\n00:06:01,774 --> 00:06:14,259\n這樣子的違規的從中港澳來的疫區的製品那當然我也希望幫你們呼籲民眾所以我每次都會一再的呼籲民眾說拜託不要再從疫區帶這一些這麼風險這麼高的肉製品進來了可是\n\n18\n00:06:19,681 --> 00:06:44,865\n關務署我們這邊還已經量能提的這麼高了邊境管控的量能幾乎從進口的郵包進口的貨運都百分之百少X光了我們還能做什麼啊可不可以暫停停運從這一些來自疫區的肉製品報告委員暫停停運這些來自特定國家的這些物品這涉及很多部會還有相關法制的問題容我們再研議一下\n\n19\n00:06:46,087 --> 00:06:52,075\n我覺得非常時期需要非常手段我在這邊提出這麼這是一個很嚴厲的一個政策沒有錯可是現在台灣豬的風險就是已經\n\n20\n00:06:58,874 --> 00:07:16,296\n正在面临非常严峻的考验我们希望我们继续成为亚洲唯一三大猪瘟得非异国这是一个得来不易的荣耀要归于所有的农业部所有关务署的同仁这是你们辛苦多年以来的成绩可是现在却因为一个破口\n\n21\n00:07:17,438 --> 00:07:41,377\n造成這麼大的危機大家的心情都非常的沉重所以這件事情到底怎麼解決我認為邊境管控就是一個關鍵啊去年沒宣費被刪了六成去年邊境管控的經費被動刪了四千萬今年我們當然一樣會全力支持你也希望所有立法院同仁支持你們可是這些非常手段該實施就實施吧\n\n22\n00:07:43,620 --> 00:07:59,918\n呃是了解委員的意思那因為牽涉到問題跟法治非常的廣廣泛還是要我們要審慎研議一下好那也拜託這些網路上來路部您的包裹嚴加查緝那當然我們現在海關已經全力動員是好謝謝署長謝謝委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n9298\t13443\t好 謝主席 我們請陳部長我們再請陳部長我也好\n23308\t42242\t好部長好首先要跟你說辛苦了因為其實這個事情是10月21號也就是前天晚上你們接到這件事情通報然後短短三天內其實農業部的反應非常迅速那也馬上成立了前進的協調所那我們杜文貞次長也馬上的到台中去進行協助了\n42822\t45144\t那我覺得你們真的非常辛苦今天還臨時要被叫來這個變更議程然後突然要來這邊備詢那我覺得這當然其實我們農業部的整個流程然後對於整個危機應變的能力都是很強的那現在看起來是因為台中市府確實面臨一些困難\n60956\t74332\t那我覺得農業部必須要給予更多協助因為很顯然他們沒有能力處理這些事情包括10月10號發生第一例死亡結果到了10月20號過了10天之後他們才到現場進行採驗那這個中間整整10天\n78177\t94427\t沒有進行採驗的這個問題我覺得非常大這是第一個我認為你們一定要積極的督促台中市政府趕快把過去這些鬆掉的螺絲趕快補上的問題第二個這個沒有採驗的原因你們必須要跟他們了解\n94847\t116147\t第二個接下來焚化的問題我也認為問題很大你們已經很明確的建議他們應該要以焚化來處理結果他們堅決要用掩埋那這件事情我們農業部跟我們可不可以跟環境部協調一下看他們到底可不可以協助他們能用焚化就用焚化的而不是塗增多餘的風險\n118329\t138963\t繼續讓這件事情可能擴大我跟委員報告因為台中的豬隻我們不准他移到其他縣市然後我們在昨天中央應變中心的會議也明確的說希望是用粉化的部分那粉化的部分如果豬隻太大的話我們也調度了一些所謂的生物處理機讓他們去把這些病死豬的部分就做部分的處理再進到粉化\n139423\t151410\t那環境部也跟昨天也跟地方的環保局在開會那我相信這個問題最後台中市政府應該也會朝向我們的決議是往焚化的方向去處理好 謝謝部長因為我在這邊認為很顯然他們從採驗到後來的焚化的處理都是沒有能力的所以我覺得農業部的責任就變得更重大我們只能盡力的來協助 盡力的挽救\n165379\t189021\t那至於另外一個部分我也要提醒很顯然他們在廚餘再利用的部分是出現問題的所以他們很顯然可能沒有落實你們說的必須要90度以上然後一個小時的持續烹調然後持續攪拌這樣子的處理方式所以廚餘再利用很顯然有人沒有落實這個我們就一定要來精進一定要來更嚴格要求這個部分好嗎\n189582\t198866\t這是我希望農業部接下來要協助的對 這是我希望農業部接下來要協助的對 這是我希望農業部接下來要協助的對 這是我希望農業部接下來要協助的對 這是我希望農業部接下來要協助的對 這是我希望農業部接下來要協助的對 這是我希望農業部接下來要協助的對 這是我希望農業部接下來要協助的對 這是我希望農業部接下來要協助的對 這是我希望農業部接下來要協助的對 這是我希望農業部接下來要協助的對 這是我希望農業部接下來要協助的對 這是我希望農業部接下來要協助的對 這是我希望農業部接下來要協助的對 這是我希望農業部接下來要協助的對\n217495\t239481\t第二個這個焚化爐的問題焚化的問題拜託你們也進入協助第三個液調現在看起來台中市自己有在液調但是看起來液調的效率也不彰所以也拜託液調部分也請你們直接協助以及這28頭豬現在已經揉入市場的也請你們直接協助了我拜託農業部直接協助\n240201\t261026\t會 我想這也是為什麼我們在台中成立前進應變所的原因就是直接來協助地方政府補足地方政府量能不足的地方好 那這28頭豬流入市場也請你們幫他們查清楚吧那我要講一下說這件事情真的影響非常大因為到昨天看到我們台中市長都還在講說要購物節拚經濟但卻沒有提到說這整個豬肉的產業鏈造成的\n268018\t295962\t损失可能是上千亿元不止今天看到我们隔壁的这个双月就说卤肉饭要停卖了我们高雄南丰卤肉饭也要停卖了影响所有店家所有消费者所有猪农高达上千亿的产值都是接下来都在这样的威胁当中所以这件事情真的不可不慎然后包括说你们可能接下来禁运载可能的天数要强达15天我相信很多人都很紧张\n297330\t316665\t我想這是必要的措施這樣的話才能夠讓我們的員工更精準掌握當然我也同意必須要面對敵人面對這麼風險這麼高的病毒我們必須要料敵從寬那最後我請一下關務署我在這邊想要講一下邊境管制的事情部長先請回座\n317586\t344693\t那署長我在這邊請教一下因為我認為邊境管控才是這解決這整件事情的根源必須要杜絕這一些來自疫區可能的風險可是其實一直以來我都很常接到民眾說又有人從中港澳違規攜帶疫區來的肉製品包括說在蝦皮上面販賣中國的肉粽包括說在一些地方的社團販賣一些中國的月餅\n345473\t360453\t然後甚至是來路不明的一些中港澳的豬肉的製品都流竄在網路上這個是我一直以來都有接到的那很顯然這些都是違規 我也知道公安部署一直都有在查所以從2018年到現在每年幾乎都1000多件\n361774\t374259\t這樣子的違規的從中港澳來的疫區的製品那當然我也希望幫你們呼籲民眾所以我每次都會一再的呼籲民眾說拜託不要再從疫區帶這一些這麼風險這麼高的肉製品進來了可是\n379681\t404865\t關務署我們這邊還已經量能提的這麼高了邊境管控的量能幾乎從進口的郵包進口的貨運都百分之百少X光了我們還能做什麼啊可不可以暫停停運從這一些來自疫區的肉製品報告委員暫停停運這些來自特定國家的這些物品這涉及很多部會還有相關法制的問題容我們再研議一下\n406087\t412075\t我覺得非常時期需要非常手段我在這邊提出這麼這是一個很嚴厲的一個政策沒有錯可是現在台灣豬的風險就是已經\n418874\t436296\t正在面临非常严峻的考验我们希望我们继续成为亚洲唯一三大猪瘟得非异国这是一个得来不易的荣耀要归于所有的农业部所有关务署的同仁这是你们辛苦多年以来的成绩可是现在却因为一个破口\n437438\t461377\t造成這麼大的危機 大家的心情都非常的沉重所以這件事情到底怎麼解決 我認為邊境管控就是一個關鍵啊去年沒宣費被刪了六成去年邊境管控的經費被動刪了四千萬今年我們當然一樣會全力支持你也希望所有立法院同仁支持你們可是這些非常手段 該實施就實施吧\n463620\t479918\t呃 是 了解委員的意思那因為牽涉到問題跟法治非常的廣 廣泛還是要 我們要審慎研議一下好 那也拜託這些網路上來路部您的包裹嚴加查緝那當然 我們現在海關已經全力動員是好 謝謝署長 謝謝委員\n","txt":"好 謝主席 我們請陳部長我們再請陳部長我也好\n好部長好首先要跟你說辛苦了因為其實這個事情是10月21號也就是前天晚上你們接到這件事情通報然後短短三天內其實農業部的反應非常迅速那也馬上成立了前進的協調所那我們杜文貞次長也馬上的到台中去進行協助了\n那我覺得你們真的非常辛苦今天還臨時要被叫來這個變更議程然後突然要來這邊備詢那我覺得這當然其實我們農業部的整個流程然後對於整個危機應變的能力都是很強的那現在看起來是因為台中市府確實面臨一些困難\n那我覺得農業部必須要給予更多協助因為很顯然他們沒有能力處理這些事情包括10月10號發生第一例死亡結果到了10月20號過了10天之後他們才到現場進行採驗那這個中間整整10天\n沒有進行採驗的這個問題我覺得非常大這是第一個我認為你們一定要積極的督促台中市政府趕快把過去這些鬆掉的螺絲趕快補上的問題第二個這個沒有採驗的原因你們必須要跟他們了解\n第二個接下來焚化的問題我也認為問題很大你們已經很明確的建議他們應該要以焚化來處理結果他們堅決要用掩埋那這件事情我們農業部跟我們可不可以跟環境部協調一下看他們到底可不可以協助他們能用焚化就用焚化的而不是塗增多餘的風險\n繼續讓這件事情可能擴大我跟委員報告因為台中的豬隻我們不准他移到其他縣市然後我們在昨天中央應變中心的會議也明確的說希望是用粉化的部分那粉化的部分如果豬隻太大的話我們也調度了一些所謂的生物處理機讓他們去把這些病死豬的部分就做部分的處理再進到粉化\n那環境部也跟昨天也跟地方的環保局在開會那我相信這個問題最後台中市政府應該也會朝向我們的決議是往焚化的方向去處理好 謝謝部長因為我在這邊認為很顯然他們從採驗到後來的焚化的處理都是沒有能力的所以我覺得農業部的責任就變得更重大我們只能盡力的來協助 盡力的挽救\n那至於另外一個部分我也要提醒很顯然他們在廚餘再利用的部分是出現問題的所以他們很顯然可能沒有落實你們說的必須要90度以上然後一個小時的持續烹調然後持續攪拌這樣子的處理方式所以廚餘再利用很顯然有人沒有落實這個我們就一定要來精進一定要來更嚴格要求這個部分好嗎\n這是我希望農業部接下來要協助的對 這是我希望農業部接下來要協助的對 這是我希望農業部接下來要協助的對 這是我希望農業部接下來要協助的對 這是我希望農業部接下來要協助的對 這是我希望農業部接下來要協助的對 這是我希望農業部接下來要協助的對 這是我希望農業部接下來要協助的對 這是我希望農業部接下來要協助的對 這是我希望農業部接下來要協助的對 這是我希望農業部接下來要協助的對 這是我希望農業部接下來要協助的對 這是我希望農業部接下來要協助的對 這是我希望農業部接下來要協助的對 這是我希望農業部接下來要協助的對\n第二個這個焚化爐的問題焚化的問題拜託你們也進入協助第三個液調現在看起來台中市自己有在液調但是看起來液調的效率也不彰所以也拜託液調部分也請你們直接協助以及這28頭豬現在已經揉入市場的也請你們直接協助了我拜託農業部直接協助\n會 我想這也是為什麼我們在台中成立前進應變所的原因就是直接來協助地方政府補足地方政府量能不足的地方好 那這28頭豬流入市場也請你們幫他們查清楚吧那我要講一下說這件事情真的影響非常大因為到昨天看到我們台中市長都還在講說要購物節拚經濟但卻沒有提到說這整個豬肉的產業鏈造成的\n损失可能是上千亿元不止今天看到我们隔壁的这个双月就说卤肉饭要停卖了我们高雄南丰卤肉饭也要停卖了影响所有店家所有消费者所有猪农高达上千亿的产值都是接下来都在这样的威胁当中所以这件事情真的不可不慎然后包括说你们可能接下来禁运载可能的天数要强达15天我相信很多人都很紧张\n我想這是必要的措施這樣的話才能夠讓我們的員工更精準掌握當然我也同意必須要面對敵人面對這麼風險這麼高的病毒我們必須要料敵從寬那最後我請一下關務署我在這邊想要講一下邊境管制的事情部長先請回座\n那署長我在這邊請教一下因為我認為邊境管控才是這解決這整件事情的根源必須要杜絕這一些來自疫區可能的風險可是其實一直以來我都很常接到民眾說又有人從中港澳違規攜帶疫區來的肉製品包括說在蝦皮上面販賣中國的肉粽包括說在一些地方的社團販賣一些中國的月餅\n然後甚至是來路不明的一些中港澳的豬肉的製品都流竄在網路上這個是我一直以來都有接到的那很顯然這些都是違規 我也知道公安部署一直都有在查所以從2018年到現在每年幾乎都1000多件\n這樣子的違規的從中港澳來的疫區的製品那當然我也希望幫你們呼籲民眾所以我每次都會一再的呼籲民眾說拜託不要再從疫區帶這一些這麼風險這麼高的肉製品進來了可是\n關務署我們這邊還已經量能提的這麼高了邊境管控的量能幾乎從進口的郵包進口的貨運都百分之百少X光了我們還能做什麼啊可不可以暫停停運從這一些來自疫區的肉製品報告委員暫停停運這些來自特定國家的這些物品這涉及很多部會還有相關法制的問題容我們再研議一下\n我覺得非常時期需要非常手段我在這邊提出這麼這是一個很嚴厲的一個政策沒有錯可是現在台灣豬的風險就是已經\n正在面临非常严峻的考验我们希望我们继续成为亚洲唯一三大猪瘟得非异国这是一个得来不易的荣耀要归于所有的农业部所有关务署的同仁这是你们辛苦多年以来的成绩可是现在却因为一个破口\n造成這麼大的危機 大家的心情都非常的沉重所以這件事情到底怎麼解決 我認為邊境管控就是一個關鍵啊去年沒宣費被刪了六成去年邊境管控的經費被動刪了四千萬今年我們當然一樣會全力支持你也希望所有立法院同仁支持你們可是這些非常手段 該實施就實施吧\n呃 是 了解委員的意思那因為牽涉到問題跟法治非常的廣 廣泛還是要 我們要審慎研議一下好 那也拜託這些網路上來路部您的包裹嚴加查緝那當然 我們現在海關已經全力動員是好 謝謝署長 謝謝委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:09.298 --> 00:13.443\n好謝主席我們請陳部長我們再請陳部長我也好\n\n00:23.308 --> 00:42.242\n好部長好首先要跟你說辛苦了因為其實這個事情是10月21號也就是前天晚上你們接到這件事情通報然後短短三天內其實農業部的反應非常迅速那也馬上成立了前進的協調所那我們杜文貞次長也馬上的到台中去進行協助了\n\n00:42.822 --> 00:45.144\n那我覺得你們真的非常辛苦今天還臨時要被叫來這個變更議程然後突然要來這邊備詢那我覺得這當然其實我們農業部的整個流程然後對於整個危機應變的能力都是很強的那現在看起來是因為台中市府確實面臨一些困難\n\n01:00.956 --> 01:14.332\n那我覺得農業部必須要給予更多協助因為很顯然他們沒有能力處理這些事情包括10月10號發生第一例死亡結果到了10月20號過了10天之後他們才到現場進行採驗那這個中間整整10天\n\n01:18.177 --> 01:34.427\n沒有進行採驗的這個問題我覺得非常大這是第一個我認為你們一定要積極的督促台中市政府趕快把過去這些鬆掉的螺絲趕快補上的問題第二個這個沒有採驗的原因你們必須要跟他們了解\n\n01:34.847 --> 01:56.147\n第二個接下來焚化的問題我也認為問題很大你們已經很明確的建議他們應該要以焚化來處理結果他們堅決要用掩埋那這件事情我們農業部跟我們可不可以跟環境部協調一下看他們到底可不可以協助他們能用焚化就用焚化的而不是塗增多餘的風險\n\n01:58.329 --> 02:18.963\n繼續讓這件事情可能擴大我跟委員報告因為台中的豬隻我們不准他移到其他縣市然後我們在昨天中央應變中心的會議也明確的說希望是用粉化的部分那粉化的部分如果豬隻太大的話我們也調度了一些所謂的生物處理機讓他們去把這些病死豬的部分就做部分的處理再進到粉化\n\n02:19.423 --> 02:31.410\n那環境部也跟昨天也跟地方的環保局在開會那我相信這個問題最後台中市政府應該也會朝向我們的決議是往焚化的方向去處理好謝謝部長因為我在這邊認為很顯然他們從採驗到後來的焚化的處理都是沒有能力的所以我覺得農業部的責任就變得更重大我們只能盡力的來協助盡力的挽救\n\n02:45.379 --> 03:09.021\n那至於另外一個部分我也要提醒很顯然他們在廚餘再利用的部分是出現問題的所以他們很顯然可能沒有落實你們說的必須要90度以上然後一個小時的持續烹調然後持續攪拌這樣子的處理方式所以廚餘再利用很顯然有人沒有落實這個我們就一定要來精進一定要來更嚴格要求這個部分好嗎\n\n03:09.582 --> 03:18.866\n這是我希望農業部接下來要協助的對這是我希望農業部接下來要協助的對這是我希望農業部接下來要協助的對這是我希望農業部接下來要協助的對這是我希望農業部接下來要協助的對這是我希望農業部接下來要協助的對這是我希望農業部接下來要協助的對這是我希望農業部接下來要協助的對這是我希望農業部接下來要協助的對這是我希望農業部接下來要協助的對這是我希望農業部接下來要協助的對這是我希望農業部接下來要協助的對這是我希望農業部接下來要協助的對這是我希望農業部接下來要協助的對這是我希望農業部接下來要協助的對\n\n03:37.495 --> 03:59.481\n第二個這個焚化爐的問題焚化的問題拜託你們也進入協助第三個液調現在看起來台中市自己有在液調但是看起來液調的效率也不彰所以也拜託液調部分也請你們直接協助以及這28頭豬現在已經揉入市場的也請你們直接協助了我拜託農業部直接協助\n\n04:00.201 --> 04:21.026\n會我想這也是為什麼我們在台中成立前進應變所的原因就是直接來協助地方政府補足地方政府量能不足的地方好那這28頭豬流入市場也請你們幫他們查清楚吧那我要講一下說這件事情真的影響非常大因為到昨天看到我們台中市長都還在講說要購物節拚經濟但卻沒有提到說這整個豬肉的產業鏈造成的\n\n04:28.018 --> 04:55.962\n损失可能是上千亿元不止今天看到我们隔壁的这个双月就说卤肉饭要停卖了我们高雄南丰卤肉饭也要停卖了影响所有店家所有消费者所有猪农高达上千亿的产值都是接下来都在这样的威胁当中所以这件事情真的不可不慎然后包括说你们可能接下来禁运载可能的天数要强达15天我相信很多人都很紧张\n\n04:57.330 --> 05:16.665\n我想這是必要的措施這樣的話才能夠讓我們的員工更精準掌握當然我也同意必須要面對敵人面對這麼風險這麼高的病毒我們必須要料敵從寬那最後我請一下關務署我在這邊想要講一下邊境管制的事情部長先請回座\n\n05:17.586 --> 05:44.693\n那署長我在這邊請教一下因為我認為邊境管控才是這解決這整件事情的根源必須要杜絕這一些來自疫區可能的風險可是其實一直以來我都很常接到民眾說又有人從中港澳違規攜帶疫區來的肉製品包括說在蝦皮上面販賣中國的肉粽包括說在一些地方的社團販賣一些中國的月餅\n\n05:45.473 --> 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