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00:03:35,575\n所以在地研發因為我剛剛講說其實我們目前你們所鎖定的事實上是非常有限所以以台灣的遊艇業者來講話事實上也可以納入嘛對不對因為我們日後一定會採取一個公開招標的一個程序然後進行甄選所以他們假設本來是坐遊艇那要轉入的話那或許在技術面上面他可能需要找到一些廠商來\n\n11\n00:03:36,555 --> 00:03:45,917\n其他的這些有這樣的技術來合作那當然沒有錯他一定要符合相關的規定這沒有錯他如果能夠有一個技術授權或合作對所以我是希望說這個是一個就是一個在地生產然後呢而且我們明明放在一個台灣一個遊艇王國另外那個部長請問一下川普最近說2027台海之間不會發生戰爭您同意他的說法嗎\n\n12\n00:04:06,030 --> 00:04:22,819\n我想川普總統我看到他的講話還是說提到他說美國的軍力壯大所以我看到的是這樣子所以我認為美國的政策在安全議題上面一直是以實力作為基礎的我們現在不是談美國政策我們現在並不談美國政策而是談他說2027台海沒有發生戰爭的這個問題\n\n13\n00:04:33,144 --> 00:04:49,171\n對你們的評估是在看待這件事情我們都是評估它相關的預警增後然後不管是早期的還是更廣泛的一個密駐它的一個動向所以你不完全接受它的預期\n\n14\n00:04:50,273 --> 00:05:02,760\n我們不會以這麼簡單的一個講法來做一個結論我們都是以我們都會川普的說法有他個人的樂觀我們都會面對中國的這個軍事威脅不斷的提升然後研判各種的徵喉來掌握這個全盤的狀況好那另外我請教就是現在我們關注的就立刻就是很快的會有川習會\n\n15\n00:05:15,367 --> 00:05:18,530\n那麼川普在川習會之前突然提出來一個2027他認為沒有台海沒有發生戰爭的危險或可能性那我其實覺得這個是他即便川習會的他的一個技術上的說法也說不一定另外現在呢因為中美貿易大戰而中國現在對全世界祭出了西土戰反正互相卡脖子\n\n16\n00:05:44,631 --> 00:05:47,253\n那而我們影響我們的問題就是我們F16V的戰機已經嚴重的延宕到目前為止我們訂製66架也只有兩架出廠在美國出廠它根本還沒有交機那麼接下來超過60架\n\n17\n00:06:03,948 --> 00:06:30,567\n要想要在2027年之前交機其實是看起來就已經非常高難度所以部長根據國際的情勢現在竟然中國發起了稀土戰管制稀土的出口那麼會不會讓整個F16V的戰機的交機更為嚴當你們的評估是什麼\n\n18\n00:06:31,957 --> 00:06:57,542\n包委員這個之前也回過委員的這個提問那目前的主要的原因是在當時COVID-19之後的人力以及供應鏈上的問題那目前是沒有提到美方也沒有提到有這個稀土的問題我們這樣評估的話它的主要是在人力上那目前已經逐漸改善那以上那你們認為說明年全數交機可能嗎難度很高\n\n19\n00:07:00,230 --> 00:07:08,732\n難度所以幾乎確定又要跳票會往後延因為前面的這個會延多久你們現在所聽到的應該會延多久呢\n\n20\n00:07:09,295 --> 00:07:33,948\n我們現在目前還在評估當中因為他的目前之前缺工的狀況也逐步在改善我們每個月都有在開這個會議這為什麼要問呢就是因為我們基本上還是以2027認為是在台海之間比較危險的嘛沒有錯嘛對不對可是如果到明年交機要跳票然後當然我們要有預估一個時程等到爆發戰爭之後你再來有用嗎\n\n21\n00:07:35,687 --> 00:07:45,340\n所以我覺得你們應該要有比較具體的具體的你延宕要延宕到什麼時候是不是我們可以承受的一個\n\n22\n00:07:47,258 --> 00:08:07,533\n我覺得這一點事實上是很重要的否則到現在66架然後一架的影子都沒有有啦兩架還在美國然後剩下的影子都沒有我覺得這個是很難對台灣的所有的納稅人還有所有就是關心台海之間會不會發生危機的人的交代好不好好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n543\t15884\t好 謝謝主席請部長還有海軍司令部參謀長以及我們中科院院長請顧部長 海軍參謀長還有中科院院長就備巡台 謝謝是 王委員好好 部長好\n18468\t30964\t部長我們現在除了發展無人機之外我們也發展無人艇那麼而且呢按照我們現在包含我們軍方的需求超過1300艘的無人艇而且\n33948\t51479\t又為了因應2027年的可能就是有可能的這個中共犯台的一個準備所以除了軍方之外呢而且我們海巡現在也說有這個無人艇的一個需求\n52239\t76715\t所以這個需求量是非常非常大的那我在這邊直接想請教因為呢除了我們現在的這個廠商我們無人艇現在未來就是我們的需求量這麼大但是呢我們的廠商一直鎖定在台船龍德還有中信其實非常的有限那這個呢在透過經濟部呢台灣的這個遊艇業者因為台灣是遊艇王國\n82359\t96913\t那所以呢在遊艇業者呢也希望能夠就是說一起能夠讓除了這個旅遊娛樂性的那麼他們也可以來加入這樣的一個生產那麼我所看到的\n97594\t112839\t像中科院為什麼請院長來中科院也認為因為我們未來的需求事實上呢是可以讓這樣的遊艇業者來參與事實上我知道目前已經有遊艇業者已經開發出已經開發出這個無人艇了而且是軍用的一個無人艇所以我想請問部長還有我們的海軍那個參謀長\n126092\t138201\t未來我們在發展無人艇的部分可不可以讓我們再增加我們的一個供應量把台灣這樣的一個產業讓它的產業鏈能夠擴大然後讓遊艇業也能夠來參與我們不管是軍方或者海巡的相關的無人艇的生產\n149967\t167226\t我想政策面上面來看的話我們落實這個在地生產這個是我們的政策因為這個才能夠具有一定的防衛韌性那無人機也好無人艇也好確實如委員所講他都現在來看都有不具有一定的產業規模\n168527\t189410\t那麼現在要轉入到這個軍用也好或者軍用商規也好或者是相關的這些我們有一定的這個對外甚至能夠輸出的這個能量來講我們國軍作為一個最大的需求者那我們確實是要來落實這樣的一個在地研發生產的能量\n189966\t215575\t所以在地研發 因為我剛剛講說其實我們目前你們所鎖定的事實上是非常有限所以以台灣的遊艇業者來講話事實上也可以納入嘛 對不對因為我們日後一定會採取一個公開招標的一個程序然後進行甄選所以他們假設本來是坐遊艇那要轉入的話那或許在技術面上面他可能需要找到一些廠商來\n216555\t225917\t其他的這些有這樣的技術來合作那當然沒有錯他一定要符合相關的規定這沒有錯他如果能夠有一個技術授權或合作對所以我是希望說這個是一個就是一個在地生產然後呢而且我們明明放在一個台灣一個遊艇王國另外那個部長請問一下川普最近說2027台海之間不會發生戰爭您同意他的說法嗎\n246030\t262819\t我想川普總統我看到他的講話還是說提到他說美國的軍力壯大所以我看到的是這樣子所以我認為美國的政策在安全議題上面一直是以實力作為基礎的我們現在不是談美國政策我們現在並不談美國政策而是談他說2027台海沒有發生戰爭的這個問題\n273144\t289171\t對 你們的評估是在看待這件事情 我們都是評估它相關的預警增後然後不管是早期的還是更廣泛的一個密駐它的一個動向所以你不完全接受它的預期\n290273\t302760\t我們不會以這麼簡單的一個講法來做一個結論我們都是以 我們都會川普的說法有他個人的樂觀我們都會面對中國的這個軍事威脅不斷的提升然後研判各種的徵喉來掌握這個全盤的狀況好 那另外我請教就是現在我們關注的就立刻就是很快的會有川習會\n315367\t318530\t那麼川普在川習會之前突然提出來一個2027他認為沒有台海沒有發生戰爭的危險或可能性那我其實覺得這個是他即便川習會的他的一個技術上的說法也說不一定另外現在呢因為中美貿易大戰而中國現在對全世界祭出了西土戰反正互相卡脖子\n344631\t347253\t那而我們影響我們的問題就是我們F16V的戰機已經嚴重的延宕到目前為止我們訂製66架也只有兩架出廠在美國出廠它根本還沒有交機那麼接下來超過60架\n363948\t390567\t要想要在2027年之前交機其實是看起來就已經非常高難度所以部長根據國際的情勢現在竟然中國發起了稀土戰管制稀土的出口那麼會不會讓整個F16V的戰機的交機更為嚴當你們的評估是什麼\n391957\t417542\t包委員 這個之前也回過委員的這個提問那目前的主要的原因是在當時COVID-19之後的人力以及供應鏈上的問題那目前是沒有提到美方也沒有提到有這個稀土的問題我們這樣評估的話它的主要是在人力上那目前已經逐漸改善 那以上那你們認為說明年全數交機可能嗎難度很高\n420230\t428732\t難度 所以幾乎確定又要跳票會往後延 因為前面的這個會延多久 你們現在所聽到的應該會延多久呢\n429295\t453948\t我們現在目前還在評估當中因為他的目前之前缺工的狀況也逐步在改善我們每個月都有在開這個會議這為什麼要問呢就是因為我們基本上還是以2027認為是在台海之間比較危險的嘛沒有錯嘛對不對可是如果到明年交機要跳票然後當然我們要有預估一個時程等到爆發戰爭之後你再來有用嗎\n455687\t465340\t所以我覺得你們應該要有比較具體的具體的你延宕要延宕到什麼時候是不是我們可以承受的一個\n467258\t487533\t我覺得這一點事實上是很重要的否則到現在66架然後一架的影子都沒有有啦 兩架還在美國然後剩下的影子都沒有我覺得這個是很難對台灣的所有的納稅人還有所有就是關心台海之間會不會發生危機的人的交代 好不好好 謝謝\n","txt":"好 謝謝主席請部長還有海軍司令部參謀長以及我們中科院院長請顧部長 海軍參謀長還有中科院院長就備巡台 謝謝是 王委員好好 部長好\n部長我們現在除了發展無人機之外我們也發展無人艇那麼而且呢按照我們現在包含我們軍方的需求超過1300艘的無人艇而且\n又為了因應2027年的可能就是有可能的這個中共犯台的一個準備所以除了軍方之外呢而且我們海巡現在也說有這個無人艇的一個需求\n所以這個需求量是非常非常大的那我在這邊直接想請教因為呢除了我們現在的這個廠商我們無人艇現在未來就是我們的需求量這麼大但是呢我們的廠商一直鎖定在台船龍德還有中信其實非常的有限那這個呢在透過經濟部呢台灣的這個遊艇業者因為台灣是遊艇王國\n那所以呢在遊艇業者呢也希望能夠就是說一起能夠讓除了這個旅遊娛樂性的那麼他們也可以來加入這樣的一個生產那麼我所看到的\n像中科院為什麼請院長來中科院也認為因為我們未來的需求事實上呢是可以讓這樣的遊艇業者來參與事實上我知道目前已經有遊艇業者已經開發出已經開發出這個無人艇了而且是軍用的一個無人艇所以我想請問部長還有我們的海軍那個參謀長\n未來我們在發展無人艇的部分可不可以讓我們再增加我們的一個供應量把台灣這樣的一個產業讓它的產業鏈能夠擴大然後讓遊艇業也能夠來參與我們不管是軍方或者海巡的相關的無人艇的生產\n我想政策面上面來看的話我們落實這個在地生產這個是我們的政策因為這個才能夠具有一定的防衛韌性那無人機也好無人艇也好確實如委員所講他都現在來看都有不具有一定的產業規模\n那麼現在要轉入到這個軍用也好或者軍用商規也好或者是相關的這些我們有一定的這個對外甚至能夠輸出的這個能量來講我們國軍作為一個最大的需求者那我們確實是要來落實這樣的一個在地研發生產的能量\n所以在地研發 因為我剛剛講說其實我們目前你們所鎖定的事實上是非常有限所以以台灣的遊艇業者來講話事實上也可以納入嘛 對不對因為我們日後一定會採取一個公開招標的一個程序然後進行甄選所以他們假設本來是坐遊艇那要轉入的話那或許在技術面上面他可能需要找到一些廠商來\n其他的這些有這樣的技術來合作那當然沒有錯他一定要符合相關的規定這沒有錯他如果能夠有一個技術授權或合作對所以我是希望說這個是一個就是一個在地生產然後呢而且我們明明放在一個台灣一個遊艇王國另外那個部長請問一下川普最近說2027台海之間不會發生戰爭您同意他的說法嗎\n我想川普總統我看到他的講話還是說提到他說美國的軍力壯大所以我看到的是這樣子所以我認為美國的政策在安全議題上面一直是以實力作為基礎的我們現在不是談美國政策我們現在並不談美國政策而是談他說2027台海沒有發生戰爭的這個問題\n對 你們的評估是在看待這件事情 我們都是評估它相關的預警增後然後不管是早期的還是更廣泛的一個密駐它的一個動向所以你不完全接受它的預期\n我們不會以這麼簡單的一個講法來做一個結論我們都是以 我們都會川普的說法有他個人的樂觀我們都會面對中國的這個軍事威脅不斷的提升然後研判各種的徵喉來掌握這個全盤的狀況好 那另外我請教就是現在我們關注的就立刻就是很快的會有川習會\n那麼川普在川習會之前突然提出來一個2027他認為沒有台海沒有發生戰爭的危險或可能性那我其實覺得這個是他即便川習會的他的一個技術上的說法也說不一定另外現在呢因為中美貿易大戰而中國現在對全世界祭出了西土戰反正互相卡脖子\n那而我們影響我們的問題就是我們F16V的戰機已經嚴重的延宕到目前為止我們訂製66架也只有兩架出廠在美國出廠它根本還沒有交機那麼接下來超過60架\n要想要在2027年之前交機其實是看起來就已經非常高難度所以部長根據國際的情勢現在竟然中國發起了稀土戰管制稀土的出口那麼會不會讓整個F16V的戰機的交機更為嚴當你們的評估是什麼\n包委員 這個之前也回過委員的這個提問那目前的主要的原因是在當時COVID-19之後的人力以及供應鏈上的問題那目前是沒有提到美方也沒有提到有這個稀土的問題我們這樣評估的話它的主要是在人力上那目前已經逐漸改善 那以上那你們認為說明年全數交機可能嗎難度很高\n難度 所以幾乎確定又要跳票會往後延 因為前面的這個會延多久 你們現在所聽到的應該會延多久呢\n我們現在目前還在評估當中因為他的目前之前缺工的狀況也逐步在改善我們每個月都有在開這個會議這為什麼要問呢就是因為我們基本上還是以2027認為是在台海之間比較危險的嘛沒有錯嘛對不對可是如果到明年交機要跳票然後當然我們要有預估一個時程等到爆發戰爭之後你再來有用嗎\n所以我覺得你們應該要有比較具體的具體的你延宕要延宕到什麼時候是不是我們可以承受的一個\n我覺得這一點事實上是很重要的否則到現在66架然後一架的影子都沒有有啦 兩架還在美國然後剩下的影子都沒有我覺得這個是很難對台灣的所有的納稅人還有所有就是關心台海之間會不會發生危機的人的交代 好不好好 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.543 --> 00:15.884\n好謝謝主席請部長還有海軍司令部參謀長以及我們中科院院長請顧部長海軍參謀長還有中科院院長就備巡台謝謝是王委員好好部長好\n\n00:18.468 --> 00:30.964\n部長我們現在除了發展無人機之外我們也發展無人艇那麼而且呢按照我們現在包含我們軍方的需求超過1300艘的無人艇而且\n\n00:33.948 --> 00:51.479\n又為了因應2027年的可能就是有可能的這個中共犯台的一個準備所以除了軍方之外呢而且我們海巡現在也說有這個無人艇的一個需求\n\n00:52.239 --> 01:16.715\n所以這個需求量是非常非常大的那我在這邊直接想請教因為呢除了我們現在的這個廠商我們無人艇現在未來就是我們的需求量這麼大但是呢我們的廠商一直鎖定在台船龍德還有中信其實非常的有限那這個呢在透過經濟部呢台灣的這個遊艇業者因為台灣是遊艇王國\n\n01:22.359 --> 01:36.913\n那所以呢在遊艇業者呢也希望能夠就是說一起能夠讓除了這個旅遊娛樂性的那麼他們也可以來加入這樣的一個生產那麼我所看到的\n\n01:37.594 --> 01:52.839\n像中科院為什麼請院長來中科院也認為因為我們未來的需求事實上呢是可以讓這樣的遊艇業者來參與事實上我知道目前已經有遊艇業者已經開發出已經開發出這個無人艇了而且是軍用的一個無人艇所以我想請問部長還有我們的海軍那個參謀長\n\n02:06.092 --> 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