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00:00:50,526\n那當然政府有大力的這樣的一個搶修但是我們看到目前這些通訊的品質還是大不如前因為我們有很多鐵塔倒塌然後在修理之後\n\n4\n00:00:51,627 --> 00:01:06,345\n在目前也還沒有驗收那替代的鐵塔它的功能也沒有辦法發揮到之前正常的這樣的一個通訊的品質那NCC有沒有掌握這些通訊的品質何時可以恢復正常\n\n5\n00:01:07,305 --> 00:01:32,634\n跟召委報告那22座倒塌型的鐵塔機台大概有至少21座到10月底會完成那完成之前那透過行動機台車還有周邊已經好的機台調整方向角度來提供它的涵蓋所以目前的涵蓋率電波涵蓋大致跟災前差不多\n\n6\n00:01:33,414 --> 00:02:02,185\n但是通訊的品質還是有些差弱了要趕快督促相關的業者來改善另外我們依據電信管理法就是說原則上它是禁止國內的商業的漫遊但是中央災害應變中心的指揮官他可以依照災害防治法的第30條啟動災害的漫遊機制就是說NCC可以請相關的業者\n\n7\n00:02:03,907 --> 00:02:20,688\n來啟動這樣的一個災害的漫遊的機制那我們來看這個災害漫遊機制在丹納斯颱風造成的這些災損之後中央災害應變中心有沒有來要求說要啟動災害的漫遊機制\n\n8\n00:02:22,217 --> 00:02:45,893\n跟家委報告在九月下旬那個豪雨就是在台東的海端那邊有利道跟烏路兩個部落通信不通後來我們就在把中華電信透過衛星模組建成之後也啟動了第二次的漫遊第一次是丹納斯的嘉南地區那台東海端下是第二次的漫遊\n\n9\n00:02:46,573 --> 00:03:03,511\n那我們是透過食物的操作在丹納斯那邊是先導性的漫遊海端那邊是我們進一步過程中也跟業者討論所以我們訂一個標準的作業要點目前上禮拜已經完成批准大概會對外公告\n\n10\n00:03:03,951 --> 00:03:28,567\n主委這個災害漫遊機制當然是一個指揮官啟動的例外機制那我們會不會去建立相關的分級制度就是說地方政府得以在通訊中斷的初期就來申請相關的這樣一個先行申請或者是說在災害前就有評估說災害的範圍來做\n\n11\n00:03:31,088 --> 00:03:58,237\n預先的一個申請我們有沒有思考這樣的程序呢剛才我報告這些我們都有在思考那我們是原則上是說我們訂出的要點也不是說永遠都不能改我們會從實務經濟上來做後續要檢討的一些當作更新輸入的一些資訊那未來目前的情況是我們參考美國的一些做法大概都是比較是屬於事後機制沒有辦法說事前說我就是要漫遊\n\n12\n00:03:58,677 --> 00:04:20,937\n好這種災害的漫遊機制當然它是具有臨時的性質而且也不保證連線的品質那災後就會立即的停用那其實它現在一個問題在於衍生的費用要怎麼處理如果按照災害防治法跟電信管理法它是由政府來編列預算指引是不是這樣\n\n13\n00:04:21,718 --> 00:04:42,614\n是的根據電信管理法第22條那如果相關政府機關有要求業者來啟動這個這個因為在下性的漫遊非商業性的漫遊相關費用在電信管理法22條的立法說明提示但是實際上的補助流程跟相關的訓務的拆帳我們還沒有跟三大業者來進行協商嗎\n\n14\n00:04:43,754 --> 00:05:05,744\n主要讲的好其实费用分为两个部分一是为了提供漫游的相关的资本投入或者OPEC一些支出这是第一块第二块电信业者间相互漫游他们的费用的拆分就相当于我们到国外去我们持A家公司到国外去漫游国外电信公司跟本国公司的拆占这是第二块\n\n15\n00:05:06,204 --> 00:05:27,610\n第二塊剛剛趙委所問的垂詢的這一塊我們是在我們作業要點有規定是由業者協商或者他們可以去拆分那目前這個海龍海端那邊他們就只有去拆分所以費用我們基本有原則但是沒有這個機制我現在就是說我們這種災害漫遊機制的費用之印\n\n16\n00:05:28,610 --> 00:05:35,877\n我們應該要跟三大電信業者來建立這種長期合作機制跟相關的分攤的費用的一個協議\n\n17\n00:05:37,870 --> 00:06:03,240\n你避免說在災後才陷入這種臨時的協商或者是說針對手機的相容性跟通訊監察執行相關的協商的這些問題這有沒有初步的討論方向因為像手機的相容性通訊監察的這些執行問題它是跨機關的這些議題SOP有沒有定案\n\n18\n00:06:03,780 --> 00:06:21,445\n是的跟這個報告兩部分第一部分剛剛詹惟提到最後一個不管是通監察或打詐相關的我們都跟檢證署跟電話局跟內政部消防署都有來討論那目前是這樣子的治標方案已經有治本方案要持續來溝通那特別是因為他們那個基地台SLID那個\n\n19\n00:06:22,405 --> 00:06:46,404\n調查局跟行政調查局他們其實是沒有互通的但是未來我們已經請他們去開會來討論就是治標方案有治本方案還要繼續來精進那剛剛提到的另外一個問題是說治本的投入那一塊我也跟大家報告我們會在丹納斯補助條例的那個預算裡頭撥出一部分來給業者來建置他們的合網的一些擴容上的一些需求\n\n20\n00:06:46,944 --> 00:07:02,290\n像電信當然我們知道它是一個自然的獨佔產業那它是關乎到我們災民遇到重大災難的時候相關的求救或者是接收政府訊息的有關於生命權\n\n21\n00:07:03,690 --> 00:07:18,106\n重要的這些相關的功能所以我今天還是要預先規劃我們這樣的一個救援的計畫還有預防的這樣的一個啟動機制才能確保國民的權益\n\n22\n00:07:20,038 --> 00:07:43,706\n我們NCC是否會導入這種區域型的預防啟動的機制讓地方的災防中心能夠及時的申請我現在還要請教說我們的災區的行動基地台以及臨時衛星通信的備援計畫這些我們有沒有進行相關進一步的評估\n\n23\n00:07:45,194 --> 00:08:03,167\n剛才我最後提到災區的一些任性特別是衛星這一塊那業者本身因為OneWeb是中華電信所獨家代理那目前他跟數位部的一些合作數位部有撥給三家電信業者十台\n\n24\n00:08:04,468 --> 00:08:22,030\n具備OneWeb的行動記憶台車那另外他們今年還有明年會補助這個有OneWeb的模組東西那模組可以放在既有的記憶台不一定要放在車子上那他們會持續來補助這一塊那至於剛剛照提到前面前面一點說這區域的區域的部分我們也會納入來檢討\n\n25\n00:08:23,823 --> 00:08:43,420\n好主委現在另外我們另外一個議題就是OTT的串流平台它目前是民眾一個收視的主流但是現行的未廣法它沒有辦法去涵蓋跨國的網路平台形成這種傳統的媒體受管\n\n26\n00:08:44,601 --> 00:09:10,269\n網路平台托管以及國內媒體受管跨國媒體托管的這樣一個不公平的現象那NCC一直說要草尼網際網路視聽服務法就OTTV的法那這個草案當然是以自律為優先那公私協力為原則那當然我們會去要求業者來做自律的分級\n\n27\n00:09:11,229 --> 00:09:32,481\n而且要明白揭露相關的廣告的這樣的一個資訊如果自律失效的話我們會督促它改善如果還沒有再改善我們就會施以罰款那當然這個法是以使用者權利跟產業的一個正向發展來做目標但是草泥多年\n\n28\n00:09:34,315 --> 00:09:57,183\n草泥多年了這部草案目前還沒有送到立法院來審議是跟著我報告我們在我們最後一版對外有公開來諮詢的是111年5月份那個時候因為各界沒有共識特別是說這個權利義務或本國本土節目的一些好啦我要請教主委什麼時候會完成預告的程序啦\n\n29\n00:09:57,563 --> 00:10:08,091\n然後什麼時候會送立法院審議因為在這次相關NCC新的委員被提名的審查過程裡面也多位委員提到這樣的一個議題\n\n30\n00:10:09,457 --> 00:10:27,854\n是那因为我们这个法案在我们组织法九条二项六款是委员会保留事项目前没有委员会无法组成这一块是没有办法来走这个程序的但是没有走这个程序之际去年跟今年我们业管单位还是持续在收集意见然后持续优化手上的草案\n\n31\n00:10:29,318 --> 00:10:57,096\n这真的是对人民的权益冲击非常的大因为立法院的这样一个运作的问题但是我们来看我们基本的原则还是是一个正确的方向就是自律优先公私协力这样的一个原则的立法方向是对的我认为是对的因为最大程度来保障创作的自由言论的自由然后鼓励这些内容的产业的一个发展\n\n32\n00:10:57,816 --> 00:11:25,735\n但是如果平台一個重要的議題就是平台它拒不配合或是境外的業者逃避管制那你們在初步的規劃有什麼強制的具體手段嗎都請電信事業跟ISP做一些相關的一些可能限制瀏覽限制接取等等的一些配套最後時間我還是要提醒我們必須要具體的保障消費者的權利\n\n33\n00:11:26,836 --> 00:11:33,761\n特别是在契约跟争议的这样的一个救济的保障方面我们的草案\n\n34\n00:11:57,577 --> 00:12:14,130\n他們對推薦機制跟廣告投放要保持透明而且沒有經過同意是不能收集分析或者是利用使用者的這種相關的行為資料來保障消費者的隱私權跟資訊的自主權\n\n35\n00:12:16,571 --> 00:12:33,878\n這個都是NCC在處理網際網路視聽服務法相關未來的這個規劃當然在目前NCC委員還沒有完全的一個產生這也是國內我們在推動NCC相關業務的時候碰到一個最大的難題\n\n36\n00:12:36,944 --> 00:12:56,373\n有張偉所講的個資保護跟申訴救濟使用者的權益保護是我們的重中之重在我們現有的草案裡頭其實也有我們會依照張偉的指示來持續我們都希望NCC的委員趕快經過立法院的正常的程序來順利產生讓整個機制能夠順利的運作謝謝張偉\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n3060\t7456\t謝謝主席 麻煩陳代理主委陳主委\n12506\t34638\t主委您好 近年來我們看極端型氣候肆虐這種不正常的天氣已經成為常態化尤其今年我們看到嘉義台南受到颱風的衝擊很多的電線桿倒塌也造成了行動通信跟固定通信的這樣的一個中斷\n35498\t50526\t那當然政府有大力的這樣的一個搶修但是我們看到目前這些通訊的品質還是大不如前因為我們有很多鐵塔倒塌然後在修理之後\n51627\t66345\t在目前也還沒有驗收那替代的鐵塔它的功能也沒有辦法發揮到之前正常的這樣的一個通訊的品質那NCC有沒有掌握這些通訊的品質何時可以恢復正常\n67305\t92634\t跟召委報告那22座倒塌型的鐵塔機台大概有至少21座到10月底會完成那完成之前那透過行動機台車還有周邊已經好的機台調整方向角度來提供它的涵蓋所以目前的涵蓋率電波涵蓋大致跟災前差不多\n93414\t122185\t但是通訊的品質還是有些差弱了要趕快督促相關的業者來改善另外我們依據電信管理法就是說原則上它是禁止國內的商業的漫遊但是中央災害應變中心的指揮官他可以依照災害防治法的第30條啟動災害的漫遊機制就是說NCC可以請相關的業者\n123907\t140688\t來啟動這樣的一個災害的漫遊的機制那我們來看這個災害漫遊機制在丹納斯颱風造成的這些災損之後中央災害應變中心有沒有來要求說要啟動災害的漫遊機制\n142217\t165893\t跟家委報告在九月下旬那個豪雨就是在台東的海端那邊有利道跟烏路兩個部落通信不通後來我們就在把中華電信透過衛星模組建成之後也啟動了第二次的漫遊第一次是丹納斯的嘉南地區那台東海端下是第二次的漫遊\n166573\t183511\t那我們是透過食物的操作在丹納斯那邊是先導性的漫遊海端那邊是我們進一步過程中也跟業者討論所以我們訂一個標準的作業要點目前上禮拜已經完成批准大概會對外公告\n183951\t208567\t主委這個災害漫遊機制當然是一個指揮官啟動的例外機制那我們會不會去建立相關的分級制度就是說地方政府得以在通訊中斷的初期就來申請相關的這樣一個先行申請或者是說在災害前就有評估說災害的範圍來做\n211088\t238237\t預先的一個申請我們有沒有思考這樣的程序呢剛才我報告這些我們都有在思考那我們是原則上是說我們訂出的要點也不是說永遠都不能改我們會從實務經濟上來做後續要檢討的一些當作更新輸入的一些資訊那未來目前的情況是我們參考美國的一些做法大概都是比較是屬於事後機制沒有辦法說事前說我就是要漫遊\n238677\t260937\t好這種災害的漫遊機制當然它是具有臨時的性質而且也不保證連線的品質那災後就會立即的停用那其實它現在一個問題在於衍生的費用要怎麼處理如果按照災害防治法跟電信管理法它是由政府來編列預算指引是不是這樣\n261718\t282614\t是的根據電信管理法第22條那如果相關政府機關有要求業者來啟動這個這個因為在下性的漫遊非商業性的漫遊相關費用在電信管理法22條的立法說明提示但是實際上的補助流程跟相關的訓務的拆帳我們還沒有跟三大業者來進行協商嗎\n283754\t305744\t主要讲的好其实费用分为两个部分一是为了提供漫游的相关的资本投入或者OPEC一些支出这是第一块第二块电信业者间相互漫游他们的费用的拆分就相当于我们到国外去我们持A家公司到国外去漫游国外电信公司跟本国公司的拆占这是第二块\n306204\t327610\t第二塊剛剛趙委所問的 垂詢的這一塊我們是在我們作業要點有規定是由業者協商或者他們可以去拆分那目前這個海龍海端那邊他們就只有去拆分所以費用我們基本有原則但是沒有這個機制我現在就是說我們這種災害漫遊機制的費用之印\n328610\t335877\t我們應該要跟三大電信業者來建立這種長期合作機制跟相關的分攤的費用的一個協議\n337870\t363240\t你避免說在災後才陷入這種臨時的協商或者是說針對手機的相容性跟通訊監察執行相關的協商的這些問題這有沒有初步的討論方向因為像手機的相容性通訊監察的這些執行問題它是跨機關的這些議題SOP有沒有定案\n363780\t381445\t是的跟這個報告兩部分第一部分剛剛詹惟提到最後一個不管是通監察或打詐相關的我們都跟檢證署跟電話局跟內政部消防署都有來討論那目前是這樣子的治標方案已經有治本方案要持續來溝通那特別是因為他們那個基地台SLID那個\n382405\t406404\t調查局跟行政調查局他們其實是沒有互通的但是未來我們已經請他們去開會來討論就是治標方案有 治本方案還要繼續來精進那剛剛提到的另外一個問題是說治本的投入那一塊 我也跟大家報告我們會在丹納斯補助條例的那個預算裡頭撥出一部分來給業者來建置他們的合網的一些擴容上的一些需求\n406944\t422290\t像電信當然我們知道它是一個自然的獨佔產業那它是關乎到我們災民遇到重大災難的時候相關的求救或者是接收政府訊息的有關於生命權\n423690\t438106\t重要的這些相關的功能所以我今天還是要預先規劃我們這樣的一個救援的計畫還有預防的這樣的一個啟動機制才能確保國民的權益\n440038\t463706\t我們NCC是否會導入這種區域型的預防啟動的機制讓地方的災防中心能夠及時的申請我現在還要請教說我們的災區的行動基地台以及臨時衛星通信的備援計畫這些我們有沒有進行相關進一步的評估\n465194\t483167\t剛才我最後提到災區的一些任性特別是衛星這一塊那業者本身因為OneWeb是中華電信所獨家代理那目前他跟數位部的一些合作數位部有撥給三家電信業者十台\n484468\t502030\t具備OneWeb的行動記憶台車那另外他們今年還有明年會補助這個有OneWeb的模組東西那模組可以放在既有的記憶台不一定要放在車子上那他們會持續來補助這一塊那至於剛剛照提到前面前面一點說這區域的區域的部分我們也會納入來檢討\n503823\t523420\t好 主委現在另外我們另外一個議題就是OTT的串流平台它目前是民眾一個收視的主流但是現行的未廣法它沒有辦法去涵蓋跨國的網路平台形成這種傳統的媒體受管\n524601\t550269\t網路平台托管以及國內媒體受管跨國媒體托管的這樣一個不公平的現象那NCC一直說要草尼網際網路視聽服務法就OTTV的法那這個草案當然是以自律為優先那公私協力為原則那當然我們會去要求業者來做自律的分級\n551229\t572481\t而且要明白揭露相關的廣告的這樣的一個資訊如果自律失效的話我們會督促它改善如果還沒有再改善我們就會施以罰款那當然這個法是以使用者權利跟產業的一個正向發展來做目標但是草泥多年\n574315\t597183\t草泥多年了 這部草案目前還沒有送到立法院來審議是 跟著我報告我們在我們最後一版對外有公開來諮詢的是111年5月份那個時候因為各界沒有共識特別是說這個權利義務或本國本土節目的一些好啦 我要請教主委什麼時候會完成預告的程序啦\n597563\t608091\t然後什麼時候會送立法院審議因為在這次相關NCC新的委員被提名的審查過程裡面也多位委員提到這樣的一個議題\n609457\t627854\t是那因为我们这个法案在我们组织法九条二项六款是委员会保留事项目前没有委员会无法组成这一块是没有办法来走这个程序的但是没有走这个程序之际去年跟今年我们业管单位还是持续在收集意见然后持续优化手上的草案\n629318\t657096\t这真的是对人民的权益冲击非常的大因为立法院的这样一个运作的问题但是我们来看我们基本的原则还是是一个正确的方向就是自律优先公私协力这样的一个原则的立法方向是对的我认为是对的因为最大程度来保障创作的自由言论的自由然后鼓励这些内容的产业的一个发展\n657816\t685735\t但是如果平台一個重要的議題就是平台它拒不配合或是境外的業者逃避管制那你們在初步的規劃有什麼強制的具體手段嗎都請電信事業跟ISP做一些相關的一些可能限制瀏覽限制接取等等的一些配套最後時間我還是要提醒我們必須要具體的保障消費者的權利\n686836\t693761\t特别是在契约跟争议的这样的一个救济的保障方面我们的草案\n717577\t734130\t他們對推薦機制跟廣告投放要保持透明而且沒有經過同意是不能收集分析或者是利用使用者的這種相關的行為資料來保障消費者的隱私權跟資訊的自主權\n736571\t753878\t這個都是NCC在處理網際網路視聽服務法相關未來的這個規劃當然在目前NCC委員還沒有完全的一個產生這也是國內我們在推動NCC相關業務的時候碰到一個最大的難題\n756944\t776373\t有張偉所講的 個資保護跟申訴救濟使用者的權益保護是我們的重中之重在我們現有的草案裡頭其實也有我們會依照張偉的指示來持續我們都希望NCC的委員趕快經過立法院的正常的程序來順利產生讓整個機制能夠順利的運作謝謝張偉\n","txt":"謝謝主席 麻煩陳代理主委陳主委\n主委您好 近年來我們看極端型氣候肆虐這種不正常的天氣已經成為常態化尤其今年我們看到嘉義台南受到颱風的衝擊很多的電線桿倒塌也造成了行動通信跟固定通信的這樣的一個中斷\n那當然政府有大力的這樣的一個搶修但是我們看到目前這些通訊的品質還是大不如前因為我們有很多鐵塔倒塌然後在修理之後\n在目前也還沒有驗收那替代的鐵塔它的功能也沒有辦法發揮到之前正常的這樣的一個通訊的品質那NCC有沒有掌握這些通訊的品質何時可以恢復正常\n跟召委報告那22座倒塌型的鐵塔機台大概有至少21座到10月底會完成那完成之前那透過行動機台車還有周邊已經好的機台調整方向角度來提供它的涵蓋所以目前的涵蓋率電波涵蓋大致跟災前差不多\n但是通訊的品質還是有些差弱了要趕快督促相關的業者來改善另外我們依據電信管理法就是說原則上它是禁止國內的商業的漫遊但是中央災害應變中心的指揮官他可以依照災害防治法的第30條啟動災害的漫遊機制就是說NCC可以請相關的業者\n來啟動這樣的一個災害的漫遊的機制那我們來看這個災害漫遊機制在丹納斯颱風造成的這些災損之後中央災害應變中心有沒有來要求說要啟動災害的漫遊機制\n跟家委報告在九月下旬那個豪雨就是在台東的海端那邊有利道跟烏路兩個部落通信不通後來我們就在把中華電信透過衛星模組建成之後也啟動了第二次的漫遊第一次是丹納斯的嘉南地區那台東海端下是第二次的漫遊\n那我們是透過食物的操作在丹納斯那邊是先導性的漫遊海端那邊是我們進一步過程中也跟業者討論所以我們訂一個標準的作業要點目前上禮拜已經完成批准大概會對外公告\n主委這個災害漫遊機制當然是一個指揮官啟動的例外機制那我們會不會去建立相關的分級制度就是說地方政府得以在通訊中斷的初期就來申請相關的這樣一個先行申請或者是說在災害前就有評估說災害的範圍來做\n預先的一個申請我們有沒有思考這樣的程序呢剛才我報告這些我們都有在思考那我們是原則上是說我們訂出的要點也不是說永遠都不能改我們會從實務經濟上來做後續要檢討的一些當作更新輸入的一些資訊那未來目前的情況是我們參考美國的一些做法大概都是比較是屬於事後機制沒有辦法說事前說我就是要漫遊\n好這種災害的漫遊機制當然它是具有臨時的性質而且也不保證連線的品質那災後就會立即的停用那其實它現在一個問題在於衍生的費用要怎麼處理如果按照災害防治法跟電信管理法它是由政府來編列預算指引是不是這樣\n是的根據電信管理法第22條那如果相關政府機關有要求業者來啟動這個這個因為在下性的漫遊非商業性的漫遊相關費用在電信管理法22條的立法說明提示但是實際上的補助流程跟相關的訓務的拆帳我們還沒有跟三大業者來進行協商嗎\n主要讲的好其实费用分为两个部分一是为了提供漫游的相关的资本投入或者OPEC一些支出这是第一块第二块电信业者间相互漫游他们的费用的拆分就相当于我们到国外去我们持A家公司到国外去漫游国外电信公司跟本国公司的拆占这是第二块\n第二塊剛剛趙委所問的 垂詢的這一塊我們是在我們作業要點有規定是由業者協商或者他們可以去拆分那目前這個海龍海端那邊他們就只有去拆分所以費用我們基本有原則但是沒有這個機制我現在就是說我們這種災害漫遊機制的費用之印\n我們應該要跟三大電信業者來建立這種長期合作機制跟相關的分攤的費用的一個協議\n你避免說在災後才陷入這種臨時的協商或者是說針對手機的相容性跟通訊監察執行相關的協商的這些問題這有沒有初步的討論方向因為像手機的相容性通訊監察的這些執行問題它是跨機關的這些議題SOP有沒有定案\n是的跟這個報告兩部分第一部分剛剛詹惟提到最後一個不管是通監察或打詐相關的我們都跟檢證署跟電話局跟內政部消防署都有來討論那目前是這樣子的治標方案已經有治本方案要持續來溝通那特別是因為他們那個基地台SLID那個\n調查局跟行政調查局他們其實是沒有互通的但是未來我們已經請他們去開會來討論就是治標方案有 治本方案還要繼續來精進那剛剛提到的另外一個問題是說治本的投入那一塊 我也跟大家報告我們會在丹納斯補助條例的那個預算裡頭撥出一部分來給業者來建置他們的合網的一些擴容上的一些需求\n像電信當然我們知道它是一個自然的獨佔產業那它是關乎到我們災民遇到重大災難的時候相關的求救或者是接收政府訊息的有關於生命權\n重要的這些相關的功能所以我今天還是要預先規劃我們這樣的一個救援的計畫還有預防的這樣的一個啟動機制才能確保國民的權益\n我們NCC是否會導入這種區域型的預防啟動的機制讓地方的災防中心能夠及時的申請我現在還要請教說我們的災區的行動基地台以及臨時衛星通信的備援計畫這些我們有沒有進行相關進一步的評估\n剛才我最後提到災區的一些任性特別是衛星這一塊那業者本身因為OneWeb是中華電信所獨家代理那目前他跟數位部的一些合作數位部有撥給三家電信業者十台\n具備OneWeb的行動記憶台車那另外他們今年還有明年會補助這個有OneWeb的模組東西那模組可以放在既有的記憶台不一定要放在車子上那他們會持續來補助這一塊那至於剛剛照提到前面前面一點說這區域的區域的部分我們也會納入來檢討\n好 主委現在另外我們另外一個議題就是OTT的串流平台它目前是民眾一個收視的主流但是現行的未廣法它沒有辦法去涵蓋跨國的網路平台形成這種傳統的媒體受管\n網路平台托管以及國內媒體受管跨國媒體托管的這樣一個不公平的現象那NCC一直說要草尼網際網路視聽服務法就OTTV的法那這個草案當然是以自律為優先那公私協力為原則那當然我們會去要求業者來做自律的分級\n而且要明白揭露相關的廣告的這樣的一個資訊如果自律失效的話我們會督促它改善如果還沒有再改善我們就會施以罰款那當然這個法是以使用者權利跟產業的一個正向發展來做目標但是草泥多年\n草泥多年了 這部草案目前還沒有送到立法院來審議是 跟著我報告我們在我們最後一版對外有公開來諮詢的是111年5月份那個時候因為各界沒有共識特別是說這個權利義務或本國本土節目的一些好啦 我要請教主委什麼時候會完成預告的程序啦\n然後什麼時候會送立法院審議因為在這次相關NCC新的委員被提名的審查過程裡面也多位委員提到這樣的一個議題\n是那因为我们这个法案在我们组织法九条二项六款是委员会保留事项目前没有委员会无法组成这一块是没有办法来走这个程序的但是没有走这个程序之际去年跟今年我们业管单位还是持续在收集意见然后持续优化手上的草案\n这真的是对人民的权益冲击非常的大因为立法院的这样一个运作的问题但是我们来看我们基本的原则还是是一个正确的方向就是自律优先公私协力这样的一个原则的立法方向是对的我认为是对的因为最大程度来保障创作的自由言论的自由然后鼓励这些内容的产业的一个发展\n但是如果平台一個重要的議題就是平台它拒不配合或是境外的業者逃避管制那你們在初步的規劃有什麼強制的具體手段嗎都請電信事業跟ISP做一些相關的一些可能限制瀏覽限制接取等等的一些配套最後時間我還是要提醒我們必須要具體的保障消費者的權利\n特别是在契约跟争议的这样的一个救济的保障方面我们的草案\n他們對推薦機制跟廣告投放要保持透明而且沒有經過同意是不能收集分析或者是利用使用者的這種相關的行為資料來保障消費者的隱私權跟資訊的自主權\n這個都是NCC在處理網際網路視聽服務法相關未來的這個規劃當然在目前NCC委員還沒有完全的一個產生這也是國內我們在推動NCC相關業務的時候碰到一個最大的難題\n有張偉所講的 個資保護跟申訴救濟使用者的權益保護是我們的重中之重在我們現有的草案裡頭其實也有我們會依照張偉的指示來持續我們都希望NCC的委員趕快經過立法院的正常的程序來順利產生讓整個機制能夠順利的運作謝謝張偉\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:03.060 --> 00:07.456\n謝謝主席麻煩陳代理主委陳主委\n\n00:12.506 --> 00:34.638\n主委您好近年來我們看極端型氣候肆虐這種不正常的天氣已經成為常態化尤其今年我們看到嘉義台南受到颱風的衝擊很多的電線桿倒塌也造成了行動通信跟固定通信的這樣的一個中斷\n\n00:35.498 --> 00:50.526\n那當然政府有大力的這樣的一個搶修但是我們看到目前這些通訊的品質還是大不如前因為我們有很多鐵塔倒塌然後在修理之後\n\n00:51.627 --> 01:06.345\n在目前也還沒有驗收那替代的鐵塔它的功能也沒有辦法發揮到之前正常的這樣的一個通訊的品質那NCC有沒有掌握這些通訊的品質何時可以恢復正常\n\n01:07.305 --> 01:32.634\n跟召委報告那22座倒塌型的鐵塔機台大概有至少21座到10月底會完成那完成之前那透過行動機台車還有周邊已經好的機台調整方向角度來提供它的涵蓋所以目前的涵蓋率電波涵蓋大致跟災前差不多\n\n01:33.414 --> 02:02.185\n但是通訊的品質還是有些差弱了要趕快督促相關的業者來改善另外我們依據電信管理法就是說原則上它是禁止國內的商業的漫遊但是中央災害應變中心的指揮官他可以依照災害防治法的第30條啟動災害的漫遊機制就是說NCC可以請相關的業者\n\n02:03.907 --> 02:20.688\n來啟動這樣的一個災害的漫遊的機制那我們來看這個災害漫遊機制在丹納斯颱風造成的這些災損之後中央災害應變中心有沒有來要求說要啟動災害的漫遊機制\n\n02:22.217 --> 02:45.893\n跟家委報告在九月下旬那個豪雨就是在台東的海端那邊有利道跟烏路兩個部落通信不通後來我們就在把中華電信透過衛星模組建成之後也啟動了第二次的漫遊第一次是丹納斯的嘉南地區那台東海端下是第二次的漫遊\n\n02:46.573 --> 03:03.511\n那我們是透過食物的操作在丹納斯那邊是先導性的漫遊海端那邊是我們進一步過程中也跟業者討論所以我們訂一個標準的作業要點目前上禮拜已經完成批准大概會對外公告\n\n03:03.951 --> 03:28.567\n主委這個災害漫遊機制當然是一個指揮官啟動的例外機制那我們會不會去建立相關的分級制度就是說地方政府得以在通訊中斷的初期就來申請相關的這樣一個先行申請或者是說在災害前就有評估說災害的範圍來做\n\n03:31.088 --> 03:58.237\n預先的一個申請我們有沒有思考這樣的程序呢剛才我報告這些我們都有在思考那我們是原則上是說我們訂出的要點也不是說永遠都不能改我們會從實務經濟上來做後續要檢討的一些當作更新輸入的一些資訊那未來目前的情況是我們參考美國的一些做法大概都是比較是屬於事後機制沒有辦法說事前說我就是要漫遊\n\n03:58.677 --> 04:20.937\n好這種災害的漫遊機制當然它是具有臨時的性質而且也不保證連線的品質那災後就會立即的停用那其實它現在一個問題在於衍生的費用要怎麼處理如果按照災害防治法跟電信管理法它是由政府來編列預算指引是不是這樣\n\n04:21.718 --> 04:42.614\n是的根據電信管理法第22條那如果相關政府機關有要求業者來啟動這個這個因為在下性的漫遊非商業性的漫遊相關費用在電信管理法22條的立法說明提示但是實際上的補助流程跟相關的訓務的拆帳我們還沒有跟三大業者來進行協商嗎\n\n04:43.754 --> 05:05.744\n主要讲的好其实费用分为两个部分一是为了提供漫游的相关的资本投入或者OPEC一些支出这是第一块第二块电信业者间相互漫游他们的费用的拆分就相当于我们到国外去我们持A家公司到国外去漫游国外电信公司跟本国公司的拆占这是第二块\n\n05:06.204 --> 05:27.610\n第二塊剛剛趙委所問的垂詢的這一塊我們是在我們作業要點有規定是由業者協商或者他們可以去拆分那目前這個海龍海端那邊他們就只有去拆分所以費用我們基本有原則但是沒有這個機制我現在就是說我們這種災害漫遊機制的費用之印\n\n05:28.610 --> 05:35.877\n我們應該要跟三大電信業者來建立這種長期合作機制跟相關的分攤的費用的一個協議\n\n05:37.870 --> 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我也跟大家報告我們會在丹納斯補助條例的那個預算裡頭撥出一部分來給業者來建置他們的合網的一些擴容上的一些需求"},{"start":406.944,"end":422.29,"text":"像電信當然我們知道它是一個自然的獨佔產業那它是關乎到我們災民遇到重大災難的時候相關的求救或者是接收政府訊息的有關於生命權"},{"start":423.69,"end":438.106,"text":"重要的這些相關的功能所以我今天還是要預先規劃我們這樣的一個救援的計畫還有預防的這樣的一個啟動機制才能確保國民的權益"},{"start":440.038,"end":463.706,"text":"我們NCC是否會導入這種區域型的預防啟動的機制讓地方的災防中心能夠及時的申請我現在還要請教說我們的災區的行動基地台以及臨時衛星通信的備援計畫這些我們有沒有進行相關進一步的評估"},{"start":465.194,"end":483.167,"text":"剛才我最後提到災區的一些任性特別是衛星這一塊那業者本身因為OneWeb是中華電信所獨家代理那目前他跟數位部的一些合作數位部有撥給三家電信業者十台"},{"start":484.468,"end":502.03,"text":"具備OneWeb的行動記憶台車那另外他們今年還有明年會補助這個有OneWeb的模組東西那模組可以放在既有的記憶台不一定要放在車子上那他們會持續來補助這一塊那至於剛剛照提到前面前面一點說這區域的區域的部分我們也會納入來檢討"},{"start":503.823,"end":523.42,"text":"好 主委現在另外我們另外一個議題就是OTT的串流平台它目前是民眾一個收視的主流但是現行的未廣法它沒有辦法去涵蓋跨國的網路平台形成這種傳統的媒體受管"},{"start":524.601,"end":550.269,"text":"網路平台托管以及國內媒體受管跨國媒體托管的這樣一個不公平的現象那NCC一直說要草尼網際網路視聽服務法就OTTV的法那這個草案當然是以自律為優先那公私協力為原則那當然我們會去要求業者來做自律的分級"},{"start":551.229,"end":572.481,"text":"而且要明白揭露相關的廣告的這樣的一個資訊如果自律失效的話我們會督促它改善如果還沒有再改善我們就會施以罰款那當然這個法是以使用者權利跟產業的一個正向發展來做目標但是草泥多年"},{"start":574.315,"end":597.183,"text":"草泥多年了 這部草案目前還沒有送到立法院來審議是 跟著我報告我們在我們最後一版對外有公開來諮詢的是111年5月份那個時候因為各界沒有共識特別是說這個權利義務或本國本土節目的一些好啦 我要請教主委什麼時候會完成預告的程序啦"},{"start":597.563,"end":608.091,"text":"然後什麼時候會送立法院審議因為在這次相關NCC新的委員被提名的審查過程裡面也多位委員提到這樣的一個議題"},{"start":609.457,"end":627.854,"text":"是那因为我们这个法案在我们组织法九条二项六款是委员会保留事项目前没有委员会无法组成这一块是没有办法来走这个程序的但是没有走这个程序之际去年跟今年我们业管单位还是持续在收集意见然后持续优化手上的草案"},{"start":629.318,"end":657.096,"text":"这真的是对人民的权益冲击非常的大因为立法院的这样一个运作的问题但是我们来看我们基本的原则还是是一个正确的方向就是自律优先公私协力这样的一个原则的立法方向是对的我认为是对的因为最大程度来保障创作的自由言论的自由然后鼓励这些内容的产业的一个发展"},{"start":657.816,"end":685.735,"text":"但是如果平台一個重要的議題就是平台它拒不配合或是境外的業者逃避管制那你們在初步的規劃有什麼強制的具體手段嗎都請電信事業跟ISP做一些相關的一些可能限制瀏覽限制接取等等的一些配套最後時間我還是要提醒我們必須要具體的保障消費者的權利"},{"start":686.836,"end":693.761,"text":"特别是在契约跟争议的这样的一个救济的保障方面我们的草案"},{"start":717.577,"end":734.13,"text":"他們對推薦機制跟廣告投放要保持透明而且沒有經過同意是不能收集分析或者是利用使用者的這種相關的行為資料來保障消費者的隱私權跟資訊的自主權"},{"start":736.571,"end":753.878,"text":"這個都是NCC在處理網際網路視聽服務法相關未來的這個規劃當然在目前NCC委員還沒有完全的一個產生這也是國內我們在推動NCC相關業務的時候碰到一個最大的難題"},{"start":756.944,"end":776.373,"text":"有張偉所講的 個資保護跟申訴救濟使用者的權益保護是我們的重中之重在我們現有的草案裡頭其實也有我們會依照張偉的指示來持續我們都希望NCC的委員趕快經過立法院的正常的程序來順利產生讓整個機制能夠順利的運作謝謝張偉"}]}}},"gazette":{"lineno":146,"blocks":[["李委員昆澤：（9時30分）謝謝主席，麻煩陳代理主委。"],["主席：請陳主委。"],["陳代理主任委員崇樹：召委早。"],["李委員昆澤：主委，你好。近年來極端型氣候肆虐，這種不正常的天氣已經成為常態化，尤其今年我們看到嘉義、臺南受到颱風的衝擊，很多的電線桿倒塌，也造成了行動通信跟固定通信的中斷。當然，政府有大力去搶修，但是我們看到目前的通訊品質還是大不如前，因為我們有很多鐵塔倒塌，在修理之後，目前也還沒有驗收，替代鐵塔的功能也沒有辦法發揮到之前正常的通訊品質，請問NCC有沒有掌握到這些通訊品質何時可以恢復正常？"],["陳代理主任委員崇樹：跟召委報告，22座倒塌的鐵塔基地臺大概有至少21座10月底會完成，完成之前，透過行動基地臺車，還有周邊已經好的基地臺調整方向角度來提供它的涵蓋，所以目前的涵蓋率、電波涵蓋大致跟災前差不多。"],["李委員昆澤：但是通訊的品質還是有些落差，要趕快督促相關業者來改善。"],["陳代理主任委員崇樹：是。"],["李委員昆澤：另外，依據電信管理法的規定，原則上是禁止國內商業漫遊，但是中央災害應變中心的指揮官可以依照災害防救法第三十條來啟動災害漫遊機制，就是NCC可以請相關業者來啟動這樣一個災害漫遊機制。主委，在丹娜絲颱風造成災損之後，中央災害應變中心有沒有要求要啟動災害漫遊機制？"],["陳代理主任委員崇樹：跟召委報告，在9月下旬的那場豪雨造成臺東海端那邊的利稻跟霧鹿兩個部落通訊不通，後來中華電信透過衛星模組建成之後，我們也協調啟動了第二次漫遊，第一次是丹娜絲風災後的嘉南地區，臺東海端鄉是第二次的漫遊。我們是透過實務的操作，丹娜絲那次是宣導性漫遊，海端那邊是我們進一步在過程中也跟業者討論，所以我們有訂定一個標準作業要點，上禮拜已經完成批准，大概就會對外公告。"],["李委員昆澤：主委，這個災害漫遊機制是一個指揮官啟動的例外機制，我們會不會去建立相關的分級制度？就是說，地方政府得於通訊中斷初期就進行先期申請，或者是在災害前就有評估災害的範圍，然後做預先的申請？我們有沒有思考這樣的程序呢？"],["陳代理主任委員崇樹：跟召委報告，這些我們都有在思考，我們訂出的要點也不是永遠都不能改，我們會以實務經驗來作為後續要檢討的一些……當作更新輸入的一些資訊，目前的情況我們是參考美國的一些作法，大概都比較屬於事後機制，沒有辦法在事前就說要漫遊，但是未來……"],["李委員昆澤：好，這種災害漫遊機制當然是具有臨時的性質啦，而且也不保證連線的品質，災後就會立即停用。其實現在的問題在於衍生的費用要怎麼處理，如果按照災害防救法跟電信管理法的規定，是由政府編列預算來支應，是不是這樣？"],["陳代理主任委員崇樹：是的，根據電信管理法第二十二條，如果相關政府機關要求業者啟動因為災害性的漫遊、非商業性的漫遊，相關費用依電信管理法二十二條的立法說明，其實已經提到……"],["李委員昆澤：好，但是實際上的補助流程跟相關的訊務拆帳，我們還沒有跟三大業者進行協商嘛！"],["陳代理主任委員崇樹：對，召委講得好，其實費用分為兩個部分：業者為了提供漫遊的相關資本投入或者支出，這是第一塊。第二塊是電信業者間相互漫遊的費用拆分，就相當於我們到國外去，我們持A公司到國外去漫遊，國外電信公司跟本國公司的拆帳。第二塊就是剛剛召委所垂詢的，在我們作業要點有規定是由業者協商或他們自己去拆分，目前臺東海端那邊他們就是自己去拆分。"],["李委員昆澤：所以對於費用部分，我們基本是有原則的，但是沒有這個機制。我現在要說的是這種災害漫遊機制的費用支應，我們應該要跟三大電信業者建立這種長期的合作機制跟相關費用分攤的協議，以避免在災後才陷入這種臨時的協商，或者是針對手機的相容性跟通訊監察執行相關的協商的問題，這些有沒有初步的討論方向？因為像手機的相容性、通訊監察的執行問題是跨機關的議題，SOP有沒有定案？"],["陳代理主任委員崇樹：是的，跟召委報告兩個部分，第一個部分是剛剛召委提到的最後一個，不管是通訊監察或打詐相關的，我們跟警政署、調查局、內政部消防署都有在討論，目前是這樣子，治標方案已經有了，治本方案要持續來溝通，特別是因為他們基地臺的Cell ID，調查局跟刑事警察局其實是沒有互通的，但是未來，我們已經請他們去開會討論，就是治標方案有，治本方案還要繼續來精進。","剛剛提到的另外一個問題是資本投入的那一塊，我也跟召委報告，我們會在丹娜絲補助條例的預算裡頭撥出一部分給業者來建置核網一些擴容上的需求。"],["李委員昆澤：像電信，我們知道它自然是一個獨占產業，它關乎到我們災民在遇到重大災難時的相關求救或者是接收政府訊息等有關於生命權的重要相關功能，所以我建議還是要預先規劃這樣一個救援計畫及預防的啟動機制，才能確保國民的權益。請問NCC是否會導入這種區域型的預防啟動機制，讓地方的災防中心能夠及時申請？我現在還要請教的是，關於災區的行動基地臺以及臨時衛星通信的備援計畫等等這一些，你們有沒有進行進一步的相關評估？"],["陳代理主任委員崇樹：跟召委報告，剛剛召委最後提到災區的韌性，特別是衛星這一塊，業者本身，因為OneWeb是中華電信獨家代理的，目前它跟數位部有一些合作，數位部有撥給三家電信業者10臺具備OneWeb的行動基地臺車，另外，他們今年及明年會補助有OneWeb模組的東西，那個模組可以放在既有的基地臺，不一定要放在車子上，他們會持續來補助這一塊。至於召委提到區域的部分，我們會納入來檢討。"],["李委員昆澤：好，主委，我的另外一個議題就是OTT串流平臺的部分，它目前是民眾的一個收視主流，但是現行的衛廣法沒有辦法涵蓋跨國的網路平臺，形成傳統的媒體受管、網路平臺脫管，以及國內媒體受管、跨國媒體脫管這樣一個不公平的現象，NCC一直說要草擬網際網路視聽服務法（就是OTT TV法），這個草案是以「自律優先、公私協力」為原則，當然我們會要求業者要自律做分級，而且要明白揭露相關的廣告資訊，如果自律失效的話，我們會督促他改善，如果還不改善，我們就會施以罰款。當然這個法是以維護使用者權益跟促進產業正向發展為目標，但是草擬多年，至今，這部草案目前還沒有送到立法院來審議。"],["陳代理主任委員崇樹：是，跟召委報告，我們最後一版對外有公開來諮詢的是111年5月份，那個時候因為各界沒有共識，特別是有關權利義務或是本土節目的……"],["李委員昆澤：好，我要請教主委，什麼時候會完成預告的程序？什麼時候會送立法院審議？因為在這一次相關NCC新的委員被提名人的審查過程裡面，也有多位委員提到這一個議題。"],["陳代理主任委員崇樹：是，因為這個法案在我們組織法第九條第二項第六款是委員會議保留事項，目前委員會議無法組成，這一塊是沒有辦法走法定程序的。但是沒有走法定程序之際，去年跟今年，我們業管單位還是持續在蒐集意見，並持續優化手上的草案。"],["李委員昆澤：因為立法院的運作問題，對人民權益的衝擊真的非常大。但是我們來看基本原則還是一個正確的方向，就是「自律優先、公私協力」這一個原則的立法方向是對的，我認為是對的，因為最大程度的保障創作的自由、言論的自由，然後鼓勵內容產業的發展。但是，如果平臺，一個重要的議題就是平臺拒不配合或是境外的業者逃避管制，那在你們初步的規劃，有什麼強制的具體手段嗎？"],["陳代理主任委員崇樹：就請電信事業ISP做一些相關的，可能限制瀏覽、限制接取等等的一些配套措施。"],["李委員昆澤：好。最後的時間我還是要提醒，NCC必須要具體保障消費者的權益，特別是在契約跟爭議的救濟保障方面，我們的草案應明定業者必須設置清楚的服務條款以及退費、中止、申訴的程序，還有相關的爭議處理機制，讓消費者能夠獲得實質的保障。在個資跟演算法的透明保護方面，也應要求平臺對推薦機制跟廣告投放要保持透明，而且，沒有經過同意不能蒐集、分析或者是利用使用者的相關行為資料，以保障消費者的隱私權跟資訊的自主權。這都是未來NCC在處理網際網路視聽服務法的相關規劃，當然目前NCC的委員還沒有完全產生，這也是我們國內在推動NCC相關業務的時候碰到的一個最大的難題。"],["陳代理主任委員崇樹：是，誠如召委所講的，個資保護跟申訴救濟等使用者的權利保護是我們的重中之重，在我們現有的草案裡頭其實也有，我們會依據召委的指示來持續運作。"],["李委員昆澤：我們都希望NCC的委員能趕快經過立法院的正常程序順利產生，讓整個機制能夠順利的運作。"],["陳代理主任委員崇樹：謝謝召委。"],["主席：謝謝李昆澤召委。","繼續請黃健豪委員發言。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":60,"meet_id":"委員會-11-4-23-4","speakers":["洪孟楷","李昆澤","黃健豪","蔡其昌","陳素月","林俊憲","魯明哲","徐富癸","陳雪生","廖先翔","何欣純","賴士葆","黃國昌","邱若華","游顥","葉元之","林國成","許智傑"],"page_start":1,"meetingDate":["2025-10-27"],"gazette_id":"1149001","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1149001_00002"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第4會期交通委員會第4次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"一、邀請國家通訊傳播委員會代理主任委員陳崇樹列席報告業務概況，並備質詢；二、處理113\n年度中央政府總預算附屬單位預算關於國家通訊傳播委員會主管有線廣播電視事業發展基金專題\n報告案計1案","agenda_id":"1149001_00001"}}}