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00:02:32,826\n政府機關包括NCC不會去主動聯絡處理這個類似的這些案件有看到這個就是詐騙因為很多民眾他們都還是會上網去確認再次的做確認就是說最近因為太多人收到NCC他們自稱是NCC委員然後打電話給他們要跟他們做確認那主委想請您明確說明那最近NCC有沒有跟Meta或是TikTok還是Google就是你們有沒有開過會\n\n8\n00:02:34,582 --> 00:03:03,637\n跟Meta跟或者社群平台那主要職權是在數位部我們有跟數位部是水平的一些合作那直接跟平台來洽談這個廣告實名制或廣告下架的是在數位部都是在數位部嗎是都是在數位部所以你也不知道就數位部有沒有簽署任何的監管協議或是下架機制這邊我就比較不清楚OK那NCC你們本身有沒有掌握境外平台的詐騙廣告的下架率呢\n\n9\n00:03:04,727 --> 00:03:31,183\n沒有但是我們是跟數位部合作比方說他相關平台的一些設立帳號有時候會靠門號來打詐是要跨部會來做合作現在看到NCC做的很多都是做賭詐那對於打詐跟警管會然後還有抒發部還有警政署你們有沒有建立一個平台一個機制有另外一個平台就在行政院行政院打詐指揮中心就是一個最大的平台抒發部現在本身有一個打詐APP那NCC呢\n\n10\n00:03:33,484 --> 00:03:44,254\n數位部那個是個通報的一些系統我們NC這邊是持續從各個面向從來從電話從簡訊從這個你們是從源頭去做賭占嗎那主委那以您的專業來看喔你看到這個畫面你看得出來這個是什麼嗎\n\n11\n00:03:53,488 --> 00:04:16,311\n通常這個又算是假冒數位部的查詢網那我們其實標準SOP如果看到來簡訊或者沒有把握的你剛才說這是假冒什麼它也許是假冒數位部的這是速發部本身的打砸APP所以您這樣子看你看不出來嗎它是一個通報的平台你覺得這個APP做得好嗎\n\n12\n00:04:20,290 --> 00:04:42,945\n這個應該由數位部來回答數位我真的不知道你跟訴發部到底是龍胸虎弟還是爛胸爛地啊那這個我們花了那麼多錢在做這個APP您是NCC的代理主委您都看不出來這是一個這是一個通報通報詐騙的平台一個APP如果是我個人我會點進去看看到看到如果覺得怪怪的我就不會相信他就不會理他\n\n13\n00:04:43,598 --> 00:04:54,779\n那NCC是不是自己本身也要建立一個平台呢因為我們看到可疑的網址我們可以上這個APP來做碰到如果我們接到可疑的電話我們要怎麼來做反應除了165之外\n\n14\n00:04:56,155 --> 00:05:15,729\n165其實是各個機關包括所有民眾都可以共同使用的一個通報設在平台那這個數位部這個通報查詢網其實也各部會來的有的協力假設他收到民眾說假冒NCC的人員打電話給他或者網址怎麼樣他會把這案子來通報NCC那一塊我們都有在處理\n\n15\n00:05:16,999 --> 00:05:35,164\n主委您是否支持我國比照歐盟要做一個數位服務法然後要求境外平台在台灣設立那個法定代表人與客服窗口我們是支持說這個與時俱進如果社會有共識的話我們會做相關的一些立法主委既然您提到支持那什麼時候會提出修法的草案\n\n16\n00:05:35,680 --> 00:05:55,969\n那跟我們報告最大的重點是我們OTTV有兩個版本第一版是一零九年第二版是一百一十一年那後來因為當時最後第二版的時候外界沒有共識那後來我們還是有持續在檢討進去既然您提到的OTT那5GAIOTT是不是未來產業的山根之助\n\n17\n00:05:58,836 --> 00:06:15,090\n有些說法是這樣子那其實5G的三本柱都是大連結、低延遲、超高寬頻過去本席也跟主委討論5G非常多次那您知道台灣5G的用戶滲透率只有31%嗎\n\n18\n00:06:17,311 --> 00:06:45,640\n應該逼近四成這遠遠低於亞洲其他的主流國家那您剛才提到AT&T像是Netflix還有DisneyPlus在台灣他們都已經深耕那麼多年了可是NCC你們的網際影音服務管理法草案喊了三年了還沒有送進立法院什麼時候會送進立法院我們委員會組成之後動作可以加快因為委員會已經將近一年多沒有辦法組成所以相關法案處理沒辦法處理再請您具體的說明這三年內5G的創新應用補助案總共有幾件\n\n19\n00:06:46,870 --> 00:07:09,407\n跟委員報告產業輔導獎勵是在數位部我們這邊幾乎是沒有補助電信業者除了今年這個丹納斯颱風風災的災後補助所以每次提到NCC你們的權責歸屬啊蘇發部不是推給NCC就是NCC推給蘇發部嗎那主委請問您的態度對於AOTT的監理平台的態度你們的方向是什麼\n\n20\n00:07:10,390 --> 00:07:21,015\n我們當然是創造市場公平競爭讓民眾的新的服務能夠造福民眾既然您談到了市場公平的競爭那什麼時候會要求他們揭露演算法或是繳納稅金呢\n\n21\n00:07:22,208 --> 00:07:50,803\n數位平台的演算法其實在歐盟DSA裡頭是有對應的一些處理即便是OTDTV這一塊我們的前一版其實也有相對的要求他們資訊透明結路相關但是因為這個東西其實涉及到大平台跟各個經濟裡頭跟國家的一些角力這一塊是有對應的一些互相的看合這一塊我們都有持續在要求像我們前一版的訴訟法其實也有對應的要求\n\n22\n00:07:51,543 --> 00:08:02,103\n所以主委您說了那麼多說下來您還是要等就是新的委員新的主委上任之後這一切才能推動對上任之前我們還是有持續更新我們手上的草案\n\n23\n00:08:03,121 --> 00:08:30,319\n那另外要和主委討論您知道稍早洪孟凱委員也有詢問您有關eSIM要被收300元可不可以再請主委針對這個eSIM做詳細的說明eSIM它其實是實體SIM卡的對應的軟體版或韌體版那因為在國內部分它是涉及到實名要打造的一些需求所以必須要但你們最近有沒有收到民眾的曾經信息有關於eSIM的問題呢\n\n24\n00:08:30,959 --> 00:08:52,061\n相對很少因為其實業者推出以來其實九成的民眾在辦理e-SIM其實都沒有收費所以您知不知道這個e-SIM已經引起很大的民怨了我們知道說有些民眾很多民眾都說要一人一封信寫信到NCC反映這個e-SIM喔因為在台灣非常特別喔那e-SIM每次都要花300塊那還要跑到門市去做辦理\n\n25\n00:08:53,302 --> 00:09:16,949\n沒有不是每一次他第一次申辦還有他送修還有他購買專案或者他是VIP客戶第一次申辦是哪一家電信第一次不會收費三家都不用三家都不用收費那他之後每一次換手機之後呢不是他一定期間假設一年換兩次或前兩次他都不收錢所以我們統計上過去一年有跟SIM卡有關的一些民眾他有九成其實是都不用付錢的\n\n26\n00:09:17,689 --> 00:09:33,847\n那可不可以請主委說明這300塊的收費依據是根據什麼為什麼國外不用收費可是我們台灣卻要收費它是對應有一些成本比方說它一線會有國際上的共同平台GSMA那個平台來處理會有一些成本那因為是零貴相關會有一些人事成本一些支出\n\n27\n00:09:34,247 --> 00:09:35,147\n這個規定是在MTC還是在業者本身\n\n28\n00:09:53,453 --> 00:10:07,148\n這一塊他不是一般的支費管制所以這邊是業者在處理但是我們NCC會行政指導他主委您很肯定就是他在一年內如果他換了兩次手機那他第二次是不用收費的嗎對您確定\n\n29\n00:10:08,409 --> 00:10:33,460\n大部分的業者是這樣子那也請主委再回去做了解看你們是不是真的沒有收到有關於EC的澄清信因為最近非常多民眾都在反映而且你們去年也說你們也要再討論嘛那討論最討論的結果是什麼討論的結果就是說免收費用的範圍又擴大了比方說老客戶啊VIP客戶啊那些都不收費用OK好謝謝主委好謝謝委員\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n3479\t7276\t好 謝謝主席 主席請陳代主委好 麻煩主委\n12707\t38885\t主委好 主委詐騙的問題我們都很清楚它已經不是一般治安的問題它是國安議題了嘛那本席最近有看到2025亞洲詐騙的調查報告那根據全球的反詐聯盟跟whosco 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另外一個平台就在行政院行政院打詐指揮中心就是一個最大的平台抒發部現在本身有一個打詐APP那NCC呢\n213484\t224254\t數位部那個是個通報的一些系統我們NC這邊是持續從各個面向從來 從電話 從簡訊 從這個你們是從源頭去做賭占嗎那主委 那以您的專業來看喔你看到這個畫面 你看得出來這個是什麼嗎\n233488\t256311\t通常這個又算是假冒數位部的查詢網那我們其實標準SOP如果看到來簡訊或者沒有把握的你剛才說這是假冒什麼它也許是假冒數位部的這是速發部本身的打砸APP所以您這樣子看 你看不出來嗎它是一個通報的平台你覺得這個APP做得好嗎\n260290\t282945\t這個應該由數位部來回答數位我真的不知道你跟訴發部到底是龍胸虎弟還是爛胸爛地啊那這個我們花了那麼多錢在做這個APP您是NCC的代理主委您都看不出來這是一個這是一個通報通報詐騙的平台一個APP如果是我個人我會點進去看看到看到如果覺得怪怪的我就不會相信他就不會理他\n283598\t294779\t那NCC是不是自己本身也要建立一個平台呢因為我們看到可疑的網址我們可以上這個APP來做碰到如果我們接到可疑的電話我們要怎麼來做反應除了165之外\n296155\t315729\t165其實是各個機關包括所有民眾都可以共同使用的一個通報設在平台那這個數位部這個通報查詢網其實也各部會來的有的協力假設他收到民眾說假冒NCC的人員打電話給他或者網址怎麼樣他會把這案子來通報NCC那一塊我們都有在處理\n316999\t335164\t主委您是否支持我國比照歐盟要做一個數位服務法然後要求境外平台在台灣設立那個法定代表人與客服窗口我們是支持說這個與時俱進如果社會有共識的話我們會做相關的一些立法主委既然您提到支持那什麼時候會提出修法的草案\n335680\t355969\t那跟我們報告最大的重點是我們OTTV有兩個版本第一版是一零九年第二版是一百一十一年那後來因為當時最後第二版的時候外界沒有共識那後來我們還是有持續在檢討進去既然您提到的OTT那5G AI 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上任之前我們還是有持續更新我們手上的草案\n483121\t510319\t那另外要和主委討論您知道稍早洪孟凱委員也有詢問您有關eSIM要被收300元可不可以再請主委針對這個eSIM做詳細的說明eSIM它其實是實體SIM卡的對應的軟體版或韌體版那因為在國內部分它是涉及到實名要打造的一些需求所以必須要但你們最近有沒有收到民眾的曾經信息有關於eSIM的問題呢\n510959\t532061\t相對很少因為其實業者推出以來其實九成的民眾在辦理e-SIM其實都沒有收費所以您知不知道這個e-SIM已經引起很大的民怨了我們知道說有些民眾很多民眾都說要一人一封信寫信到NCC反映這個e-SIM喔因為在台灣非常特別喔那e-SIM每次都要花300塊那還要跑到門市去做辦理\n533302\t556949\t沒有 不是每一次他第一次申辦還有他送修還有他購買專案或者他是VIP客戶第一次申辦是哪一家電信第一次不會收費三家都不用三家都不用收費那他之後每一次換手機之後呢不是 他一定期間假設一年換兩次或前兩次他都不收錢所以我們統計上過去一年有跟SIM卡有關的一些民眾他有九成其實是都不用付錢的\n557689\t573847\t那可不可以請主委說明這300塊的收費依據是根據什麼為什麼國外不用收費可是我們台灣卻要收費它是對應有一些成本比方說它一線會有國際上的共同平台GSMA那個平台來處理會有一些成本那因為是零貴相關會有一些人事成本一些支出\n574247\t575147\t這個規定是在MTC還是在業者本身\n593453\t607148\t這一塊他不是一般的支費管制所以這邊是業者在處理但是我們NCC會行政指導他主委您很肯定就是他在一年內如果他換了兩次手機那他第二次是不用收費的嗎對您確定\n608409\t633460\t大部分的業者是這樣子那也請主委再回去做了解看你們是不是真的沒有收到有關於EC的澄清信因為最近非常多民眾都在反映而且你們去年也說你們也要再討論嘛那討論最討論的結果是什麼討論的結果就是說免收費用的範圍又擴大了比方說老客戶啊VIP客戶啊那些都不收費用OK好謝謝主委好謝謝委員\n","txt":"好 謝謝主席 主席請陳代主委好 麻煩主委\n主委好 主委詐騙的問題我們都很清楚它已經不是一般治安的問題它是國安議題了嘛那本席最近有看到2025亞洲詐騙的調查報告那根據全球的反詐聯盟跟whosco app的統計過去一年台灣因為詐騙損失的金額高達新台幣2395億那平均每位受害者他損失將近8萬6千元這是什麼概念他就是約占我們全國的GDP1%\n那你們NCC自己的資料也有顯示有七成的國人曾遭遇電話或是網路的詐騙那其中有一半呢是透過Facebook還有YouTubeTikTok等精萬平台那在高額的詐騙中很大一部分的民眾呢他是透過Facebook上面的假投資的廣告點入然後無形直播或是假客服的指示結果一個人他就被詐了將近上千萬的元\n上千萬元那這都不是單一的個案那前幾個月他很流行的詐騙的手段呢是假檢舉視訊辦案的詐騙那主委那你知道那最近最新流行的詐騙手段是什麼嗎\n應該還是這個愛情詐騙或投資詐騙還是在這個社群軟體比較多那至於這個假冒機關這一塊其實算是古典的詐騙手段我們提示各機關早期在相關公路監督單位有些網路上討論度非常高的就是他們接到NCC他們自稱是NCC\n的委員然後他們的詐騙嘛的委員他們去進行詐騙那他已經囂張到在NCC你們太歲頭上動土了你們自己了解這個狀況嗎這個之前也有發生過其實其他機關也有發生過我們在我們自己的臉書或相關的新聞稿也好我們都告訴各外界說\n政府機關包括NCC不會去主動聯絡處理這個類似的這些案件有看到這個就是詐騙因為很多民眾他們都還是會上網去確認再次的做確認就是說最近因為太多人收到NCC他們自稱是NCC委員然後打電話給他們要跟他們做確認那主委想請您明確說明那最近NCC有沒有跟Meta或是TikTok還是Google就是你們有沒有開過會\n跟Meta跟或者社群平台那主要職權是在數位部我們有跟數位部是水平的一些合作那直接跟平台來洽談這個廣告實名制或廣告下架的是在數位部都是在數位部嗎是都是在數位部所以你也不知道就數位部有沒有簽署任何的監管協議或是下架機制這邊我就比較不清楚OK那NCC你們本身有沒有掌握境外平台的詐騙廣告的下架率呢\n沒有 但是我們是跟數位部合作比方說他相關平台的一些設立帳號有時候會靠門號來打詐是要跨部會來做合作現在看到NCC做的很多都是做賭詐那對於打詐跟警管會然後還有抒發部還有警政署你們有沒有建立一個平台一個機制有 另外一個平台就在行政院行政院打詐指揮中心就是一個最大的平台抒發部現在本身有一個打詐APP那NCC呢\n數位部那個是個通報的一些系統我們NC這邊是持續從各個面向從來 從電話 從簡訊 從這個你們是從源頭去做賭占嗎那主委 那以您的專業來看喔你看到這個畫面 你看得出來這個是什麼嗎\n通常這個又算是假冒數位部的查詢網那我們其實標準SOP如果看到來簡訊或者沒有把握的你剛才說這是假冒什麼它也許是假冒數位部的這是速發部本身的打砸APP所以您這樣子看 你看不出來嗎它是一個通報的平台你覺得這個APP做得好嗎\n這個應該由數位部來回答數位我真的不知道你跟訴發部到底是龍胸虎弟還是爛胸爛地啊那這個我們花了那麼多錢在做這個APP您是NCC的代理主委您都看不出來這是一個這是一個通報通報詐騙的平台一個APP如果是我個人我會點進去看看到看到如果覺得怪怪的我就不會相信他就不會理他\n那NCC是不是自己本身也要建立一個平台呢因為我們看到可疑的網址我們可以上這個APP來做碰到如果我們接到可疑的電話我們要怎麼來做反應除了165之外\n165其實是各個機關包括所有民眾都可以共同使用的一個通報設在平台那這個數位部這個通報查詢網其實也各部會來的有的協力假設他收到民眾說假冒NCC的人員打電話給他或者網址怎麼樣他會把這案子來通報NCC那一塊我們都有在處理\n主委您是否支持我國比照歐盟要做一個數位服務法然後要求境外平台在台灣設立那個法定代表人與客服窗口我們是支持說這個與時俱進如果社會有共識的話我們會做相關的一些立法主委既然您提到支持那什麼時候會提出修法的草案\n那跟我們報告最大的重點是我們OTTV有兩個版本第一版是一零九年第二版是一百一十一年那後來因為當時最後第二版的時候外界沒有共識那後來我們還是有持續在檢討進去既然您提到的OTT那5G AI OTT是不是未來產業的山根之助\n有些說法是這樣子那其實5G的三本柱都是大連結、低延遲、超高寬頻過去本席也跟主委討論5G非常多次那您知道台灣5G的用戶滲透率只有31%嗎\n應該逼近四成這遠遠低於亞洲其他的主流國家那您剛才提到AT&T像是Netflix還有Disney Plus在台灣他們都已經深耕那麼多年了可是NCC你們的網際影音服務管理法草案喊了三年了還沒有送進立法院什麼時候會送進立法院我們委員會組成之後動作可以加快因為委員會已經將近一年多沒有辦法組成所以相關法案處理沒辦法處理再請您具體的說明這三年內5G的創新應用補助案總共有幾件\n跟委員報告 產業輔導獎勵是在數位部 我們這邊幾乎是沒有補助電信業者 除了今年這個丹納斯颱風風災的災後補助所以每次提到NCC你們的權責歸屬啊 蘇發部不是推給NCC就是NCC推給蘇發部嗎那主委請問您的態度 對於AOTT的監理平台的態度 你們的方向是什麼\n我們當然是創造市場公平競爭讓民眾的新的服務能夠造福民眾既然您談到了市場公平的競爭那什麼時候會要求他們揭露演算法或是繳納稅金呢\n數位平台的演算法其實在歐盟DSA裡頭是有對應的一些處理即便是OTDTV這一塊我們的前一版其實也有相對的要求他們資訊透明 結路相關但是因為這個東西其實涉及到大平台跟各個經濟裡頭跟國家的一些角力這一塊是有對應的一些互相的看合這一塊我們都有持續在要求像我們前一版的訴訟法其實也有對應的要求\n所以主委您說了那麼多說下來您還是要等就是新的委員新的主委上任之後這一切才能推動對 上任之前我們還是有持續更新我們手上的草案\n那另外要和主委討論您知道稍早洪孟凱委員也有詢問您有關eSIM要被收300元可不可以再請主委針對這個eSIM做詳細的說明eSIM它其實是實體SIM卡的對應的軟體版或韌體版那因為在國內部分它是涉及到實名要打造的一些需求所以必須要但你們最近有沒有收到民眾的曾經信息有關於eSIM的問題呢\n相對很少因為其實業者推出以來其實九成的民眾在辦理e-SIM其實都沒有收費所以您知不知道這個e-SIM已經引起很大的民怨了我們知道說有些民眾很多民眾都說要一人一封信寫信到NCC反映這個e-SIM喔因為在台灣非常特別喔那e-SIM每次都要花300塊那還要跑到門市去做辦理\n沒有 不是每一次他第一次申辦還有他送修還有他購買專案或者他是VIP客戶第一次申辦是哪一家電信第一次不會收費三家都不用三家都不用收費那他之後每一次換手機之後呢不是 他一定期間假設一年換兩次或前兩次他都不收錢所以我們統計上過去一年有跟SIM卡有關的一些民眾他有九成其實是都不用付錢的\n那可不可以請主委說明這300塊的收費依據是根據什麼為什麼國外不用收費可是我們台灣卻要收費它是對應有一些成本比方說它一線會有國際上的共同平台GSMA那個平台來處理會有一些成本那因為是零貴相關會有一些人事成本一些支出\n這個規定是在MTC還是在業者本身\n這一塊他不是一般的支費管制所以這邊是業者在處理但是我們NCC會行政指導他主委您很肯定就是他在一年內如果他換了兩次手機那他第二次是不用收費的嗎對您確定\n大部分的業者是這樣子那也請主委再回去做了解看你們是不是真的沒有收到有關於EC的澄清信因為最近非常多民眾都在反映而且你們去年也說你們也要再討論嘛那討論最討論的結果是什麼討論的結果就是說免收費用的範圍又擴大了比方說老客戶啊VIP客戶啊那些都不收費用OK好謝謝主委好謝謝委員\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:03.479 --> 00:07.276\n好謝謝主席主席請陳代主委好麻煩主委\n\n00:12.707 --> 00:38.885\n主委好主委詐騙的問題我們都很清楚它已經不是一般治安的問題它是國安議題了嘛那本席最近有看到2025亞洲詐騙的調查報告那根據全球的反詐聯盟跟whoscoapp的統計過去一年台灣因為詐騙損失的金額高達新台幣2395億那平均每位受害者他損失將近8萬6千元這是什麼概念他就是約占我們全國的GDP1%\n\n00:39.966 --> 01:06.529\n那你們NCC自己的資料也有顯示有七成的國人曾遭遇電話或是網路的詐騙那其中有一半呢是透過Facebook還有YouTubeTikTok等精萬平台那在高額的詐騙中很大一部分的民眾呢他是透過Facebook上面的假投資的廣告點入然後無形直播或是假客服的指示結果一個人他就被詐了將近上千萬的元\n\n01:07.250 --> 01:19.431\n上千萬元那這都不是單一的個案那前幾個月他很流行的詐騙的手段呢是假檢舉視訊辦案的詐騙那主委那你知道那最近最新流行的詐騙手段是什麼嗎\n\n01:21.582 --> 01:41.014\n應該還是這個愛情詐騙或投資詐騙還是在這個社群軟體比較多那至於這個假冒機關這一塊其實算是古典的詐騙手段我們提示各機關早期在相關公路監督單位有些網路上討論度非常高的就是他們接到NCC他們自稱是NCC\n\n01:43.574 --> 02:04.519\n的委員然後他們的詐騙嘛的委員他們去進行詐騙那他已經囂張到在NCC你們太歲頭上動土了你們自己了解這個狀況嗎這個之前也有發生過其實其他機關也有發生過我們在我們自己的臉書或相關的新聞稿也好我們都告訴各外界說\n\n02:05.879 --> 02:32.826\n政府機關包括NCC不會去主動聯絡處理這個類似的這些案件有看到這個就是詐騙因為很多民眾他們都還是會上網去確認再次的做確認就是說最近因為太多人收到NCC他們自稱是NCC委員然後打電話給他們要跟他們做確認那主委想請您明確說明那最近NCC有沒有跟Meta或是TikTok還是Google就是你們有沒有開過會\n\n02:34.582 --> 03:03.637\n跟Meta跟或者社群平台那主要職權是在數位部我們有跟數位部是水平的一些合作那直接跟平台來洽談這個廣告實名制或廣告下架的是在數位部都是在數位部嗎是都是在數位部所以你也不知道就數位部有沒有簽署任何的監管協議或是下架機制這邊我就比較不清楚OK那NCC你們本身有沒有掌握境外平台的詐騙廣告的下架率呢\n\n03:04.727 --> 03:31.183\n沒有但是我們是跟數位部合作比方說他相關平台的一些設立帳號有時候會靠門號來打詐是要跨部會來做合作現在看到NCC做的很多都是做賭詐那對於打詐跟警管會然後還有抒發部還有警政署你們有沒有建立一個平台一個機制有另外一個平台就在行政院行政院打詐指揮中心就是一個最大的平台抒發部現在本身有一個打詐APP那NCC呢\n\n03:33.484 --> 03:44.254\n數位部那個是個通報的一些系統我們NC這邊是持續從各個面向從來從電話從簡訊從這個你們是從源頭去做賭占嗎那主委那以您的專業來看喔你看到這個畫面你看得出來這個是什麼嗎\n\n03:53.488 --> 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