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00:00:53,592\n外交部在2015年就提出抗議就是黃岩島那麼內政部國土司發布的圖的位置也是黃岩島民主交是馬總統任內他把他scalpelshow看成民主交我們太平島在2016年南海仲裁庭被化為交我們外交部\n\n4\n00:00:54,710 --> 00:01:23,868\n包括小英总统都提出抗议你不可以自动降为焦那同样黄岩岛我们不要去称它民主焦外交部是称黄岩岛内政部图也是称黄岩岛那称成焦就把你的很多的专利权就等于放弃了这个就是国有的一些既有权益放弃了那刚才听取了您的几个报告我这边要请教就是我们从每一个国家它面对的挑战\n\n5\n00:01:25,323 --> 00:01:48,495\n他的国家原则立场目标方法手段如何达成那韩国当然他现在也强调他不介入他国的纷争可是也关切这个台海情势关切不介入那么也愿意提高预算到3%请教这个局长你在看韩国对台海事件就两岸情势的看法韩国人的立场啊\n\n6\n00:01:49,361 --> 00:01:59,177\n是如何表达另外一个就是说作为一个友好的国家之间我们有没有其他的管道可以分享一些战略情织\n\n7\n00:02:01,256 --> 00:02:21,795\n這個韓國部分因為韓國它本身在國家安全上有面臨來自於北方的威脅所以它傳統上的安全關切都聚焦在朝鮮半島對於區域的安全議題它比較沒有那麼積極的去表達立場不過在最近這幾年可以看到韓國對於台海安全的問題也開始在各種的雙邊會談當中去觸及到這樣的議題特別是美韓的對話當中\n\n8\n00:02:25,778 --> 00:02:41,545\n所以這是一個新的發展趨勢也非常感謝韓方可以這樣公開表述對於台海和平穩定的重視跟支持另外有涉及到一個議題是韓國在看待區域安全問題他們有一個關切點是在於駐韓美軍的活動\n\n9\n00:02:42,165 --> 00:03:11,705\n到底能不能在有區域緊急事態的時候抽離朝鮮半島去支應其他的狀況那預期在這一次的美韓峰會應該會碰觸到這個議題那以韓方日前對外的說明他們可能會跟美方針對駐韓美軍在緊急事態之下的彈性運用會達成某種程度的一個共識所以這也算是一個比照起韓國過去的做法來講一個比較新的突破就是容許駐韓美軍能夠更靈活的一個調度\n\n10\n00:03:12,645 --> 00:03:26,911\n但是韩国的本身在韩美联军指挥下他是当副手美军是联军指挥官也就是说韩方的部队并不能调离韩国只是您刚刚讲可能让美军有更大的弹性对\n\n11\n00:03:27,611 --> 00:03:47,148\n好了解好我们下一张那这就是日本的刚才您讲的更更明确了那么日本的当然他整体的这个国家的量能非常大所以他的GDP提升到2%那么再加上也强化东京台北的这个合作至关重要尤其是今天各个媒体都报道了这个\n\n12\n00:03:48,429 --> 00:04:07,026\n高士跟川普他们会面确认台海和平的重要性我想在这个领域里面我们局里掌握的讯息就是有关区域安全我们跟日方有没有办法做一个战略讯息的交流交换能够大家相互支持稳定区域安全\n\n13\n00:04:08,506 --> 00:04:33,577\n一起回應委員剛有提到韓國還有日本跟我們之間的一個互動狀況那因為都是區域裡面的離內相近的國家那當然政府之間有各種的管道在進行溝通跟聯繫那就我負責的本局的業務來講因為情報交流一般比較有它的機敏性那也希望委員可以諒解那假如可以容許的話我們可以私下找機會跟委員做一些比較細部的報告好謝謝\n\n14\n00:04:35,849 --> 00:04:53,475\n这个就是刚好15大开完了中国大陆特别强调它在量子科技生物制造氢能与核聚变能脑机接口变身智能另外6G的发展部分它要走到领导地位因为这个东西对我们来讲\n\n15\n00:04:54,375 --> 00:05:13,257\n不只是一個威脅那麼也會影響整個區域的市場導向因為它會設定這個裝備的規範它設定遊戲規則那我們如何因應這個未來它的科技的成長大幅領先我們自己本身有沒有一個預應的方案請教\n\n16\n00:05:13,757 --> 00:05:41,702\n好對確實正如委員所提到在這一次的市中全會有所謂十五五的一個初步的規劃那當然它十五五的相關的規劃還要再做一些內部的修改以便送到明年的這個兩會來進行正式的公佈來推動相關政府後續的執行的一個動作那確實它這一次有點聚焦在所謂的新職生產力特別聚焦在高新科技的一個發展\n\n17\n00:05:42,142 --> 00:05:57,439\n那這個部分還連結到中國積極的去參與國際的一些標準制定規範的國際組織那也就是要連結到可能未來的國際標準規範能夠綁到所謂中國的相關一些產品的一個規格這個我們會\n\n18\n00:05:59,221 --> 00:06:18,421\n繼續來注意不過在這個發展過程當中也跟委員說明一下因為有遭遇到美國在一些高科技管制的一些措施所以我們有去了解一下中共相關的產業他們在政府的規劃之下他們也有一些顧慮特別是未來在很多的一些先進的設備\n\n19\n00:06:19,242 --> 00:06:46,382\n或是半導體的取得可能也會受到美國這種非紅供應鏈以及科技產品管制的一些效應那當然中共也在扶植他本土的相關的企業不過這部分可能是他在推動這些新子生產力或高新科技一個蠻重要的一個隱憂是這個部分我們建議貴局要聚焦要花更多錢掌握一個狀況好應該的最後一個這個就是\n\n20\n00:06:48,203 --> 00:07:04,610\n金门的进限制水域这是今天早上的图在这个图里面显示了下面很多的黄色商船有七八条那么就通过金门的进限制水域另外下面\n\n21\n00:07:05,987 --> 00:07:25,325\n很多的圆圈的都是毛破有颜色的是代表开了AIS那灰色的就代表它关掉了那这个里面就有可能是中共的渔船有别的任务或者海警船进来关掉那这个禁限制水域我们不能叫灰色\n\n22\n00:07:26,705 --> 00:07:47,062\n但实际上呢因为国军在那边并没有部署海军而是由这个所谓的我们的海巡署在那边因为执法的船有限那对这个整个情势的掌握会影响到金门的安全那这个是因为我刚刚八点四十去截取最新的资料那另外一个就是在今年底\n\n23\n00:07:47,642 --> 00:07:58,401\n他的厦门的祥安机场叫完工了因为他是IKEA的成员所以会他公布他机场起降涵盖指导区半个金门呢\n\n24\n00:07:59,571 --> 00:08:23,845\n左上半边都是在它的管辖区那将来这种情势对我们实质上当然我们基于非安人道精神上面我们是尊重但是对于我们实质的管辖权或者情报分享部分我们希望局里面能够掌握这部分不只是配合国防部乃至于陆委会或者是海巡署因为这里面有很多\n\n25\n00:08:24,565 --> 00:08:40,927\n重要的就是说有可能是混进商船或者是混进里面他就公然在你门口下锚停在那边迟滞有的时候关GIS有时候根本不理你我们做如何的应处我是觉得早一点做准备听听局长的看法\n\n26\n00:08:41,427 --> 00:09:03,990\n謝謝委員的提醒事實上海巡署在我們外離島建置的這些所謂船艦的能量也都會到第一線來排除相關的狀況跟確認相關船艦的位置還有屬性甚至我們這邊也會去分析他們船艦進入到我們的淨線制水域有沒有一些不同的樣態我印象沒有記錯的話應該已經有八九種不同的樣態\n\n27\n00:09:04,651 --> 00:09:21,347\n那這我們會持續的就整體性來做搜研第二個是針對個案的部分有沒有哪些個別的船艦有一些比較微異常的活動那出委員所提到的會關閉AIS以外它有的還會冒用不同船隻的MMSI的訊號所以這部分也確實造成我們在\n\n28\n00:09:22,368 --> 00:09:39,529\n監控相關水域的執行上的難度在增加當中不過我們確實有召開一些跨部會的協調我也曾經召會海巡署針對這個部分在通報、辯證以及驅離的過程當中怎麼樣讓我們國安情報機關可以更分享相關的資訊\n\n29\n00:09:40,430 --> 00:09:58,297\n那海巡目前也在爭取行政院建置更多的一個船艦應該委員也知道應該有對外說明是應該有200多億的台幣的一個船艦造艦計畫那我們希望假如預算有通過的話可以提升海巡在這方面的能量好謝謝我們希望大家共同努力好謝謝委員的指導謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n470\t10863\t主席好 有請國安局蔡局長好 請蔡局長好 謝謝主席 蔡委員長 局長長\n12641\t31799\t听取了刚才的报告有部分东西愿意跟您在这边再做一个更深层的讨论有关南海强势的维权中共在南海因为在报告里面像海警团军舰在民主礁称黄岩岛我这边做个补充报告\n32620\t53592\t外交部在2015年就提出抗議就是黃岩島那麼內政部國土司發布的圖的位置也是黃岩島民主交是馬總統任內他把他scalpel 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這個就是\n408203\t424610\t金门的进限制水域这是今天早上的图在这个图里面显示了下面很多的黄色商船有七八条那么就通过金门的进限制水域另外下面\n425987\t445325\t很多的圆圈的都是毛破有颜色的是代表开了AIS那灰色的就代表它关掉了那这个里面就有可能是中共的渔船有别的任务或者海警船进来关掉那这个禁限制水域我们不能叫灰色\n446705\t467062\t但实际上呢因为国军在那边并没有部署海军而是由这个所谓的我们的海巡署在那边因为执法的船有限那对这个整个情势的掌握会影响到金门的安全那这个是因为我刚刚八点四十去截取最新的资料那另外一个就是在今年底\n467642\t478401\t他的厦门的祥安机场叫完工了因为他是IKEA的成员所以会他公布他机场起降涵盖指导区半个金门呢\n479571\t503845\t左上半边都是在它的管辖区那将来这种情势对我们实质上当然我们基于非安人道精神上面我们是尊重但是对于我们实质的管辖权或者情报分享部分我们希望局里面能够掌握这部分不只是配合国防部乃至于陆委会或者是海巡署因为这里面有很多\n504565\t520927\t重要的就是说有可能是混进商船或者是混进里面他就公然在你门口下锚停在那边迟滞有的时候关GIS有时候根本不理你我们做如何的应处我是觉得早一点做准备听听局长的看法\n521427\t543990\t謝謝委員的提醒事實上海巡署在我們外離島建置的這些所謂船艦的能量也都會到第一線來排除相關的狀況跟確認相關船艦的位置還有屬性甚至我們這邊也會去分析他們船艦進入到我們的淨線制水域有沒有一些不同的樣態我印象沒有記錯的話應該已經有八九種不同的樣態\n544651\t561347\t那這我們會持續的就整體性來做搜研第二個是針對個案的部分有沒有哪些個別的船艦有一些比較微異常的活動那出委員所提到的會關閉AIS以外它有的還會冒用不同船隻的MMSI的訊號所以這部分也確實造成我們在\n562368\t579529\t監控相關水域的執行上的難度在增加當中不過我們確實有召開一些跨部會的協調我也曾經召會海巡署針對這個部分在通報、辯證以及驅離的過程當中怎麼樣讓我們國安情報機關可以更分享相關的資訊\n580430\t598297\t那海巡目前也在爭取行政院建置更多的一個船艦應該委員也知道應該有對外說明是應該有200多億的台幣的一個船艦造艦計畫那我們希望假如預算有通過的話可以提升海巡在這方面的能量好 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show看成民主交我們太平島在2016年南海仲裁庭被化為交我們外交部\n包括小英总统都提出抗议你不可以自动降为焦那同样黄岩岛我们不要去称它民主焦外交部是称黄岩岛内政部图也是称黄岩岛那称成焦就把你的很多的专利权就等于放弃了这个就是国有的一些既有权益放弃了那刚才听取了您的几个报告我这边要请教就是我们从每一个国家它面对的挑战\n他的国家原则立场目标方法手段如何达成那韩国当然他现在也强调他不介入他国的纷争可是也关切这个台海情势关切不介入那么也愿意提高预算到3%请教这个局长你在看韩国对台海事件就两岸情势的看法韩国人的立场啊\n是如何表达另外一个就是说作为一个友好的国家之间我们有没有其他的管道可以分享一些战略情织\n這個韓國部分因為韓國它本身在國家安全上有面臨來自於北方的威脅所以它傳統上的安全關切都聚焦在朝鮮半島對於區域的安全議題它比較沒有那麼積極的去表達立場不過在最近這幾年可以看到韓國對於台海安全的問題也開始在各種的雙邊會談當中去觸及到這樣的議題特別是美韓的對話當中\n所以這是一個新的發展趨勢也非常感謝韓方可以這樣公開表述對於台海和平穩定的重視跟支持另外有涉及到一個議題是韓國在看待區域安全問題他們有一個關切點是在於駐韓美軍的活動\n到底能不能在有區域緊急事態的時候抽離朝鮮半島去支應其他的狀況那預期在這一次的美韓峰會應該會碰觸到這個議題那以韓方日前對外的說明他們可能會跟美方針對駐韓美軍在緊急事態之下的彈性運用會達成某種程度的一個共識所以這也算是一個比照起韓國過去的做法來講一個比較新的突破就是容許駐韓美軍能夠更靈活的一個調度\n但是韩国的本身在韩美联军指挥下他是当副手美军是联军指挥官也就是说韩方的部队并不能调离韩国只是您刚刚讲可能让美军有更大的弹性对\n好了解好我们下一张那这就是日本的刚才您讲的更更明确了那么日本的当然他整体的这个国家的量能非常大所以他的GDP提升到2%那么再加上也强化东京台北的这个合作至关重要尤其是今天各个媒体都报道了这个\n高士跟川普他们会面确认台海和平的重要性我想在这个领域里面我们局里掌握的讯息就是有关区域安全我们跟日方有没有办法做一个战略讯息的交流交换能够大家相互支持稳定区域安全\n一起回應委員剛有提到韓國還有日本跟我們之間的一個互動狀況那因為都是區域裡面的離內相近的國家那當然政府之間有各種的管道在進行溝通跟聯繫那就我負責的本局的業務來講因為情報交流一般比較有它的機敏性那也希望委員可以諒解那假如可以容許的話我們可以私下找機會跟委員做一些比較細部的報告好 謝謝\n这个就是刚好15大开完了中国大陆特别强调它在量子科技生物制造氢能与核聚变能脑机接口变身智能另外6G的发展部分它要走到领导地位因为这个东西对我们来讲\n不只是一個威脅那麼也會影響整個區域的市場導向因為它會設定這個裝備的規範它設定遊戲規則那我們如何因應這個未來它的科技的成長大幅領先我們自己本身有沒有一個預應的方案請教\n好 對 確實正如委員所提到在這一次的市中全會有所謂十五五的一個初步的規劃那當然它十五五的相關的規劃還要再做一些內部的修改以便送到明年的這個兩會來進行正式的公佈來推動相關政府後續的執行的一個動作那確實它這一次有點聚焦在所謂的新職生產力特別聚焦在高新科技的一個發展\n那這個部分還連結到中國積極的去參與國際的一些標準制定規範的國際組織那也就是要連結到可能未來的國際標準規範能夠綁到所謂中國的相關一些產品的一個規格這個我們會\n繼續來注意不過在這個發展過程當中也跟委員說明一下因為有遭遇到美國在一些高科技管制的一些措施所以我們有去了解一下中共相關的產業他們在政府的規劃之下他們也有一些顧慮特別是未來在很多的一些先進的設備\n或是半導體的取得可能也會受到美國這種非紅供應鏈以及科技產品管制的一些效應那當然中共也在扶植他本土的相關的企業不過這部分可能是他在推動這些新子生產力或高新科技一個蠻重要的一個隱憂是 這個部分我們建議貴局要聚焦要花更多錢掌握一個狀況好 應該的最後一個 這個就是\n金门的进限制水域这是今天早上的图在这个图里面显示了下面很多的黄色商船有七八条那么就通过金门的进限制水域另外下面\n很多的圆圈的都是毛破有颜色的是代表开了AIS那灰色的就代表它关掉了那这个里面就有可能是中共的渔船有别的任务或者海警船进来关掉那这个禁限制水域我们不能叫灰色\n但实际上呢因为国军在那边并没有部署海军而是由这个所谓的我们的海巡署在那边因为执法的船有限那对这个整个情势的掌握会影响到金门的安全那这个是因为我刚刚八点四十去截取最新的资料那另外一个就是在今年底\n他的厦门的祥安机场叫完工了因为他是IKEA的成员所以会他公布他机场起降涵盖指导区半个金门呢\n左上半边都是在它的管辖区那将来这种情势对我们实质上当然我们基于非安人道精神上面我们是尊重但是对于我们实质的管辖权或者情报分享部分我们希望局里面能够掌握这部分不只是配合国防部乃至于陆委会或者是海巡署因为这里面有很多\n重要的就是说有可能是混进商船或者是混进里面他就公然在你门口下锚停在那边迟滞有的时候关GIS有时候根本不理你我们做如何的应处我是觉得早一点做准备听听局长的看法\n謝謝委員的提醒事實上海巡署在我們外離島建置的這些所謂船艦的能量也都會到第一線來排除相關的狀況跟確認相關船艦的位置還有屬性甚至我們這邊也會去分析他們船艦進入到我們的淨線制水域有沒有一些不同的樣態我印象沒有記錯的話應該已經有八九種不同的樣態\n那這我們會持續的就整體性來做搜研第二個是針對個案的部分有沒有哪些個別的船艦有一些比較微異常的活動那出委員所提到的會關閉AIS以外它有的還會冒用不同船隻的MMSI的訊號所以這部分也確實造成我們在\n監控相關水域的執行上的難度在增加當中不過我們確實有召開一些跨部會的協調我也曾經召會海巡署針對這個部分在通報、辯證以及驅離的過程當中怎麼樣讓我們國安情報機關可以更分享相關的資訊\n那海巡目前也在爭取行政院建置更多的一個船艦應該委員也知道應該有對外說明是應該有200多億的台幣的一個船艦造艦計畫那我們希望假如預算有通過的話可以提升海巡在這方面的能量好 謝謝我們希望大家共同努力好 謝謝委員的指導謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.470 --> 00:10.863\n主席好有請國安局蔡局長好請蔡局長好謝謝主席蔡委員長局長長\n\n00:12.641 --> 00:31.799\n听取了刚才的报告有部分东西愿意跟您在这边再做一个更深层的讨论有关南海强势的维权中共在南海因为在报告里面像海警团军舰在民主礁称黄岩岛我这边做个补充报告\n\n00:32.620 --> 00:53.592\n外交部在2015年就提出抗議就是黃岩島那麼內政部國土司發布的圖的位置也是黃岩島民主交是馬總統任內他把他scalpelshow看成民主交我們太平島在2016年南海仲裁庭被化為交我們外交部\n\n00:54.710 --> 01:23.868\n包括小英总统都提出抗议你不可以自动降为焦那同样黄岩岛我们不要去称它民主焦外交部是称黄岩岛内政部图也是称黄岩岛那称成焦就把你的很多的专利权就等于放弃了这个就是国有的一些既有权益放弃了那刚才听取了您的几个报告我这边要请教就是我们从每一个国家它面对的挑战\n\n01:25.323 --> 01:48.495\n他的国家原则立场目标方法手段如何达成那韩国当然他现在也强调他不介入他国的纷争可是也关切这个台海情势关切不介入那么也愿意提高预算到3%请教这个局长你在看韩国对台海事件就两岸情势的看法韩国人的立场啊\n\n01:49.361 --> 01:59.177\n是如何表达另外一个就是说作为一个友好的国家之间我们有没有其他的管道可以分享一些战略情织\n\n02:01.256 --> 02:21.795\n這個韓國部分因為韓國它本身在國家安全上有面臨來自於北方的威脅所以它傳統上的安全關切都聚焦在朝鮮半島對於區域的安全議題它比較沒有那麼積極的去表達立場不過在最近這幾年可以看到韓國對於台海安全的問題也開始在各種的雙邊會談當中去觸及到這樣的議題特別是美韓的對話當中\n\n02:25.778 --> 02:41.545\n所以這是一個新的發展趨勢也非常感謝韓方可以這樣公開表述對於台海和平穩定的重視跟支持另外有涉及到一個議題是韓國在看待區域安全問題他們有一個關切點是在於駐韓美軍的活動\n\n02:42.165 --> 03:11.705\n到底能不能在有區域緊急事態的時候抽離朝鮮半島去支應其他的狀況那預期在這一次的美韓峰會應該會碰觸到這個議題那以韓方日前對外的說明他們可能會跟美方針對駐韓美軍在緊急事態之下的彈性運用會達成某種程度的一個共識所以這也算是一個比照起韓國過去的做法來講一個比較新的突破就是容許駐韓美軍能夠更靈活的一個調度\n\n03:12.645 --> 03:26.911\n但是韩国的本身在韩美联军指挥下他是当副手美军是联军指挥官也就是说韩方的部队并不能调离韩国只是您刚刚讲可能让美军有更大的弹性对\n\n03:27.611 --> 03:47.148\n好了解好我们下一张那这就是日本的刚才您讲的更更明确了那么日本的当然他整体的这个国家的量能非常大所以他的GDP提升到2%那么再加上也强化东京台北的这个合作至关重要尤其是今天各个媒体都报道了这个\n\n03:48.429 --> 04:07.026\n高士跟川普他们会面确认台海和平的重要性我想在这个领域里面我们局里掌握的讯息就是有关区域安全我们跟日方有没有办法做一个战略讯息的交流交换能够大家相互支持稳定区域安全\n\n04:08.506 --> 04:33.577\n一起回應委員剛有提到韓國還有日本跟我們之間的一個互動狀況那因為都是區域裡面的離內相近的國家那當然政府之間有各種的管道在進行溝通跟聯繫那就我負責的本局的業務來講因為情報交流一般比較有它的機敏性那也希望委員可以諒解那假如可以容許的話我們可以私下找機會跟委員做一些比較細部的報告好謝謝\n\n04:35.849 --> 04:53.475\n这个就是刚好15大开完了中国大陆特别强调它在量子科技生物制造氢能与核聚变能脑机接口变身智能另外6G的发展部分它要走到领导地位因为这个东西对我们来讲\n\n04:54.375 --> 05:13.257\n不只是一個威脅那麼也會影響整個區域的市場導向因為它會設定這個裝備的規範它設定遊戲規則那我們如何因應這個未來它的科技的成長大幅領先我們自己本身有沒有一個預應的方案請教\n\n05:13.757 --> 05:41.702\n好對確實正如委員所提到在這一次的市中全會有所謂十五五的一個初步的規劃那當然它十五五的相關的規劃還要再做一些內部的修改以便送到明年的這個兩會來進行正式的公佈來推動相關政府後續的執行的一個動作那確實它這一次有點聚焦在所謂的新職生產力特別聚焦在高新科技的一個發展\n\n05:42.142 --> 05:57.439\n那這個部分還連結到中國積極的去參與國際的一些標準制定規範的國際組織那也就是要連結到可能未來的國際標準規範能夠綁到所謂中國的相關一些產品的一個規格這個我們會\n\n05:59.221 --> 06:18.421\n繼續來注意不過在這個發展過程當中也跟委員說明一下因為有遭遇到美國在一些高科技管制的一些措施所以我們有去了解一下中共相關的產業他們在政府的規劃之下他們也有一些顧慮特別是未來在很多的一些先進的設備\n\n06:19.242 --> 06:46.382\n或是半導體的取得可能也會受到美國這種非紅供應鏈以及科技產品管制的一些效應那當然中共也在扶植他本土的相關的企業不過這部分可能是他在推動這些新子生產力或高新科技一個蠻重要的一個隱憂是這個部分我們建議貴局要聚焦要花更多錢掌握一個狀況好應該的最後一個這個就是\n\n06:48.203 --> 07:04.610\n金门的进限制水域这是今天早上的图在这个图里面显示了下面很多的黄色商船有七八条那么就通过金门的进限制水域另外下面\n\n07:05.987 --> 07:25.325\n很多的圆圈的都是毛破有颜色的是代表开了AIS那灰色的就代表它关掉了那这个里面就有可能是中共的渔船有别的任务或者海警船进来关掉那这个禁限制水域我们不能叫灰色\n\n07:26.705 --> 07:47.062\n但实际上呢因为国军在那边并没有部署海军而是由这个所谓的我们的海巡署在那边因为执法的船有限那对这个整个情势的掌握会影响到金门的安全那这个是因为我刚刚八点四十去截取最新的资料那另外一个就是在今年底\n\n07:47.642 --> 07:58.401\n他的厦门的祥安机场叫完工了因为他是IKEA的成员所以会他公布他机场起降涵盖指导区半个金门呢\n\n07:59.571 --> 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