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00:03:16,476\n也請國發會來去協助所以這個部分當初這個部長當初也同意從花東基金從國發會的花東基金裡面來支援當然這個期限已經過了但是我們還是要去追蹤整個辦理情形\n\n9\n00:03:17,307 --> 00:03:42,565\n所以請那個看水利署還是自來水公司在會後再把這個1918地震花東地區自來水沿廣工程當初的計畫然後實際上目前進行辦理的一個情形能夠提供素面資料好的好我們看這個\n\n10\n00:03:44,793 --> 00:03:44,874\n113年11月18號這個\n\n11\n00:03:49,403 --> 00:04:15,466\n行政院核定無自來水第七供水改善計畫第五期的部分這個第五期是從114年度到118總共5年那整個經費這個中央公共建設預算96.5億元自來水公司事業預算6.5億然後華東第七永續發展基金3億元總共106億\n\n12\n00:04:17,928 --> 00:04:25,394\n當然是從今年開始執行我要講的是說這個花東地區過去長期以來這個\n\n13\n00:04:30,014 --> 00:04:58,955\n因為相關資源畢竟還是有限所以就這個五次來水的情形非常的多而且很多都刪了刪期了所以才會過去就去協調國發會同意用花東基金來去去支應那個多支應像這樣的一個已經有了這樣的預算經費那就會涉及到跟\n\n14\n00:04:59,383 --> 00:05:27,621\n地方政府還包含了這個相關的這些用地的啟德用地的啟德各方面就會涉及到所以怎麼樣去多溝通協調好不容易有這樣的經費能夠把它落實的執行而且尤其是原住民的部分因為這邊有原住民的部分一定要以部落\n\n15\n00:05:28,949 --> 00:05:46,444\n不是用原住民地区这个很大的范围像花东都是原住民族地区那对原住民部落还是所以我也在强调的是我们的经费的支印的一些比例有定一个比例吗有定这个比例所以一定要以部落\n\n16\n00:05:47,892 --> 00:06:07,407\n要以部落为主体来去定这个比例这样的话才落实当初行政院所同意所核定的这个部分这是我再次的来请经济部水利署包括自来水公司\n\n17\n00:06:08,487 --> 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刪期了所以才會過去就去協調國發會同意用花東基金來去去支應那個多支應像這樣的一個已經有了這樣的預算經費那就會涉及到跟\n299383\t327621\t地方政府還包含了這個相關的這些用地的啟德用地的啟德各方面就會涉及到所以怎麼樣去多溝通協調好不容易有這樣的經費能夠把它落實的執行而且尤其是原住民的部分因為這邊有原住民的部分一定要以部落\n328949\t346444\t不是用原住民地区这个很大的范围像花东都是原住民族地区那对原住民部落还是所以我也在强调的是我们的经费的支印的一些比例有定一个比例吗有定这个比例所以一定要以部落\n347892\t367407\t要以部落为主体来去定这个比例这样的话才落实当初行政院所同意所核定的这个部分这是我再次的来请经济部水利署包括自来水公司\n368487\t395423\t能夠去加強這個確實在執行的時候能夠一定要往這樣的一個這個當初的規定已經算是規定了因為你們在整個執行的時候就是從這是從毛志國當院長開始同意的就是原住民的部落跟原住民部落因為那個比例會定那個什麼單位成本\n396776\t416591\t那個長度啊單位成本回去算我們過去都永遠吃虧啊所以現在是一部落的話就單獨一個比例在那邊的話就會這個對我們才是這個公平的所以這個部分也請這個經濟部水利署自然水公司能夠落實的執行\n417625\t435017\t那最後這個表這個是你們所提供的這個數據當然這個是一個我們要努力達成能夠繼續努力的地方那最後一個時間的關係這個光復鄉大興村沿廣封城這個部分\n443923\t456221\t也有涉及到很多機關的用地用地的部分所以這個部分要請這個自來水公司如果哪些部會的用地\n458620\t481313\t還沒有完成的要希望能夠主動告訴我我來去協調相關的部會因為現在相公所很忙他也是受災相公所一樓也是受災他忙的這個根本就沒有時間去協調了所以我就尤其很多都是涉及到\n482373\t504692\t相關的部會啊有的是涉及到鐵路用地啊我所知道的是好像還有其他的用地這個部分還是你了解一些目前的狀況嗎新的進度跟委員報告我想這個案子的協調我們到時候會請那個委員來跟我們指導一下來協調整個相關的那個單位這樣處理會比較快\n507294\t526028\t所以那个部分你先书面提供给我就是哪些还要协调的还要解决的哪些问题涉及到哪些机关提供给我我再去协调谢谢谢谢郑天才委员的咨询谢谢\n","txt":"鄭天才委員資訊好 主席 各位委員有請部長我們請部長\n政委好部長好首先還是要謝謝這個經濟部水利署以及各國營事業的公司這個在這次花蓮馬太安西燕塞浮潰壩所造成的災害這些大家都很辛苦的來\n這個謝委員幾乎每天都去關心謝謝委員我們還有很多要繼續努力的地方好我們先談今天的主題這個這裡面你們的報告裡面這個特別提到我國近年周邊海域已多次發生因大量抽砂造成海濫裸露並損害\n基本上這個主要的情形是怎麼樣這個跑到海邊海域去抽砂是為了我們的砂石嗎還是砂石的供應嗎還是其他的工程這個有誰可以說明\n是不是海委會來說明一下因為這是你們的報告馬祖還是哪裡因為是寫在經濟部的報告在111年以後基本上就沒有之前在馬祖有大量抽砂早期我知道這近幾年沒有吧111年之後\n幾乎就沒有110年最後一次有扣押以後就不要再引用了是是是不然我會認為是因為我們臺灣的沙已經夠多了因為土石採取法跟大陸交通法這個東沙北運都沒有辦法促成了是那個都已經修法過了好好好謝謝\n好 就請坐這個有關花東地區的自來水沿管工程那過去本期會因應不同的一個狀況所以正好遇到0918地震這個不幸事件的時候我就特別請這個水利署\n也請國發會來去協助所以這個部分當初這個部長當初也同意從花東基金從國發會的花東基金裡面來支援當然這個期限已經過了但是我們還是要去追蹤整個辦理情形\n所以請那個看水利署還是自來水公司在會後再把這個1918地震花東地區自來水沿廣工程當初的計畫然後實際上目前進行辦理的一個情形能夠提供素面資料好的好我們看這個\n113年11月18號這個\n行政院核定無自來水第七供水改善計畫第五期的部分這個第五期是從114年度到118總共5年那整個經費這個中央公共建設預算96.5億元自來水公司事業預算6.5億然後華東第七永續發展基金3億元總共106億\n當然是從今年開始執行我要講的是說這個花東地區過去長期以來這個\n因為相關資源畢竟還是有限所以就這個五次來水的情形非常的多而且很多都刪了 刪期了所以才會過去就去協調國發會同意用花東基金來去去支應那個多支應像這樣的一個已經有了這樣的預算經費那就會涉及到跟\n地方政府還包含了這個相關的這些用地的啟德用地的啟德各方面就會涉及到所以怎麼樣去多溝通協調好不容易有這樣的經費能夠把它落實的執行而且尤其是原住民的部分因為這邊有原住民的部分一定要以部落\n不是用原住民地区这个很大的范围像花东都是原住民族地区那对原住民部落还是所以我也在强调的是我们的经费的支印的一些比例有定一个比例吗有定这个比例所以一定要以部落\n要以部落为主体来去定这个比例这样的话才落实当初行政院所同意所核定的这个部分这是我再次的来请经济部水利署包括自来水公司\n能夠去加強這個確實在執行的時候能夠一定要往這樣的一個這個當初的規定已經算是規定了因為你們在整個執行的時候就是從這是從毛志國當院長開始同意的就是原住民的部落跟原住民部落因為那個比例會定那個什麼單位成本\n那個長度啊單位成本回去算我們過去都永遠吃虧啊所以現在是一部落的話就單獨一個比例在那邊的話就會這個對我們才是這個公平的所以這個部分也請這個經濟部水利署自然水公司能夠落實的執行\n那最後這個表這個是你們所提供的這個數據當然這個是一個我們要努力達成能夠繼續努力的地方那最後一個時間的關係這個光復鄉大興村沿廣封城這個部分\n也有涉及到很多機關的用地用地的部分所以這個部分要請這個自來水公司如果哪些部會的用地\n還沒有完成的要希望能夠主動告訴我我來去協調相關的部會因為現在相公所很忙他也是受災相公所一樓也是受災他忙的這個根本就沒有時間去協調了所以我就尤其很多都是涉及到\n相關的部會啊有的是涉及到鐵路用地啊我所知道的是好像還有其他的用地這個部分還是你了解一些目前的狀況嗎新的進度跟委員報告我想這個案子的協調我們到時候會請那個委員來跟我們指導一下來協調整個相關的那個單位這樣處理會比較快\n所以那个部分你先书面提供给我就是哪些还要协调的还要解决的哪些问题涉及到哪些机关提供给我我再去协调谢谢谢谢郑天才委员的咨询谢谢\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.343 --> 00:24.243\n鄭天才委員資訊好主席各位委員有請部長我們請部長\n\n00:33.144 --> 00:55.697\n政委好部長好首先還是要謝謝這個經濟部水利署以及各國營事業的公司這個在這次花蓮馬太安西燕塞浮潰壩所造成的災害這些大家都很辛苦的來\n\n00:58.035 --> 01:22.566\n這個謝委員幾乎每天都去關心謝謝委員我們還有很多要繼續努力的地方好我們先談今天的主題這個這裡面你們的報告裡面這個特別提到我國近年周邊海域已多次發生因大量抽砂造成海濫裸露並損害\n\n01:24.935 --> 01:41.298\n基本上這個主要的情形是怎麼樣這個跑到海邊海域去抽砂是為了我們的砂石嗎還是砂石的供應嗎還是其他的工程這個有誰可以說明\n\n01:44.280 --> 02:09.473\n是不是海委會來說明一下因為這是你們的報告馬祖還是哪裡因為是寫在經濟部的報告在111年以後基本上就沒有之前在馬祖有大量抽砂早期我知道這近幾年沒有吧111年之後\n\n02:11.694 --> 02:27.923\n幾乎就沒有110年最後一次有扣押以後就不要再引用了是是是不然我會認為是因為我們臺灣的沙已經夠多了因為土石採取法跟大陸交通法這個東沙北運都沒有辦法促成了是那個都已經修法過了好好好謝謝\n\n02:29.960 --> 02:53.905\n好就請坐這個有關花東地區的自來水沿管工程那過去本期會因應不同的一個狀況所以正好遇到0918地震這個不幸事件的時候我就特別請這個水利署\n\n02:54.945 --> 03:16.476\n也請國發會來去協助所以這個部分當初這個部長當初也同意從花東基金從國發會的花東基金裡面來支援當然這個期限已經過了但是我們還是要去追蹤整個辦理情形\n\n03:17.307 --> 03:42.565\n所以請那個看水利署還是自來水公司在會後再把這個1918地震花東地區自來水沿廣工程當初的計畫然後實際上目前進行辦理的一個情形能夠提供素面資料好的好我們看這個\n\n03:44.793 --> 03:44.874\n113年11月18號這個\n\n03:49.403 --> 04:15.466\n行政院核定無自來水第七供水改善計畫第五期的部分這個第五期是從114年度到118總共5年那整個經費這個中央公共建設預算96.5億元自來水公司事業預算6.5億然後華東第七永續發展基金3億元總共106億\n\n04:17.928 --> 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Kacaw委員：（9時55分）主席、各位委員。有請部長。"],["主席：請部長。"],["龔部長明鑫：鄭委員好。"],["鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：部長好。首先還是要謝謝經濟部水利署及各國營事業公司，在這次花蓮馬太鞍溪堰塞湖潰壩所造成的災害，大家都很辛苦地救災及進行災後復建。"],["龔部長明鑫：謝謝委員幾乎每天都去關心，謝謝委員。"],["鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：我們還有很多要繼續努力的地方。"],["龔部長明鑫：是。"],["鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：我們先談今天的主題，你們的報告裡面特別提到，我國近年周邊海域已多次發生因大量抽砂造成海纜裸露並損壞，基本上，這個主要的情形是怎麼樣？跑到海域去抽砂，是為了我們的砂石嗎？還是砂石的供應？還是其他的工程？這個有誰可以說明？"],["龔部長明鑫：是不是海委會來說明一下？"],["鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：因為這是你們的報告啊！"],["龔部長明鑫：上次好像在馬祖還是哪裡……"],["鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：好，因為是寫在經濟部的報告。"],["謝副署長慶欽：報告委員，在111年以後，基本上就沒有，之前在馬祖有大量抽砂，經過大力取締，包括……"],["鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：對，早期我知道，最近幾年沒有吧？"],["謝副署長慶欽：111年之後幾乎就沒有，110年最後一次有扣押。"],["鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：以後就不要再引用了。"],["謝副署長慶欽：是。"],["鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：不然我會認為……因為臺灣的砂已經夠多了。"],["謝副署長慶欽：因為土石採取法跟大陸礁層法……"],["鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：尤其東砂北運都沒有辦法促成了。"],["謝副署長慶欽：是，那個都已經修法過了。"],["鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：好，謝謝，請回座。有關花東地區的自來水延管工程，過去本席會因應不同的狀況，正好遇到0918地震不幸事件的時候，我就特別請水利署，也請國發會去協助，所以這個部分當初……部長那時候當主委，也同意從國發會的花東基金支應。當然這個期限已經過了，但我們還是要去追蹤整個辦理情形，所以請水利署還是自來水公司，在會後再針對當初0918地震花東地區自來水延管工程計畫，以及目前實際上已經辦理的情形提供書面資料。"],["龔部長明鑫：好的。"],["鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：我們看113年11月18號行政院核定無自來水地區供水改善計畫第五期的部分，第五期是從114年到118年，總共5年，整個經費包括中央公共建設預算96.5億元、自來水公司事業預算6.5億元、花東地區永續發展基金3億元，總共106億元，當然是從今年開始執行了。我要講的是，花東地區長期以來因為相關資源畢竟還是有限，所以無自來水的情形非常多，而且很多都是山區，因此過去就去協調，國發會同意用花東基金來支應，已經有了這樣的預算經費，就會涉及到地方政府、還包含了相關的用地取得，各方面就會涉及到，所以怎麼樣去多溝通協調，好不容易有這樣的經費能夠把它落實執行，尤其是原住民的部分，因為這邊有原住民的部分，一定要以部落，不是以原住民地區這個很大的範圍，像花東都是原住民族地區，對原住民部落還是……所以我一直在強調的是，我們經費支應的一些比例，有訂一個比例嘛！"],["龔部長明鑫：有。"],["鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：有訂這個比例，所以一定要以部落為主體來去訂這個比例，這樣才能夠落實當初行政院所同意、所核定的部分，這是我再次請經濟部水利署、包括自來水公司能夠去加強的。確實在執行的時候一定要依當初的規定，已經算是規定了，因為你們在整個執行的時候，這是從毛治國當院長時開始同意的，就是原住民的部落跟原住民部落區，因為那個比例會訂單位成本，長度、單位成本會去算，我們過去都永遠吃虧啊！所以現在是以部落的話，就單獨一個比例在那邊，對我們才是公平的啦！"],["龔部長明鑫：是。"],["鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：所以這個部分也請經濟部水利署、自來水公司能夠落實執行。","接下來，這個表是你們所提供的數據，當然這是一個我們要努力達成、能夠繼續努力的地方。","最後一個，時間的關係，有關光復鄉大興村延管工程，這個部分也有涉及到很多機關的用地，這個部分如果哪些部會的用地還沒有完成的，也要請自來水公司能夠主動告訴我，我去協調相關的部會。因為現在鄉公所很忙，鄉公所一樓也有受災，忙得根本就沒有時間去協調了，尤其很多都涉及到相關的部會，有的是涉及到鐵路用地，好像還有其他的用地，還是自來水公司有了解目前的狀況有什麼新的進度嗎？"],["李總經理丁來：跟委員報告，這個案子的協調我們到時候會請委員來指導我們、來協調整個相關的單位，這樣要處理會比較快。"],["鄭天財Sra Kacaw委員：對，所以你先以書面提供給我，把哪些是還要協調的、還要解決哪些問題、涉及到哪些機關提供給我，我再去協調，謝謝。"],["主席：謝謝鄭天財委員的質詢，謝謝備詢官員。","請張啓楷委員質詢。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":412,"meet_id":"委員會-11-4-19-8","speakers":["陳亭妃","羅美玲","邱議瑩","林岱樺","鄭天財Sra Kacaw","張啓楷","呂玉玲","邱志偉","謝衣鳯","賴瑞隆","楊瓊瓔","伍麗華Saidhai‧Tahovecahe","黃國昌","賴士葆","葉元之","徐欣瑩","王鴻薇","鄭正鈐","黃捷","張嘉郡","林楚茵","陳超明"],"page_start":333,"meetingDate":["2025-10-29"],"gazette_id":"1148901","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1148901_00008"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第4會期經濟委員會第8次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"一、審查：(一)行政院函請審議「電業法第七十一條之一條文修正草案」案、(二)本院委員王美\n惠等20人擬具「電業法第七十一條之一條文修正草案」案、(三)本院委員李坤城等18人擬具「電\n業法第七十一條之一條文修正草案」案、(四)本院委員伍麗華 Saidhai Tahovecahe 等16人擬具\n「電業法第七十一條之一條文修正草案」案、(五)本院委員賴瑞隆等16人擬具「電業法第七十一\n條之一條文修正草案」案、(六)本院委員羅美玲等19人擬具「電業法第七十一條之一條文修正草\n案」案、(七)本院委員賴惠員等21人擬具「電業法第七十一條之一條文修正草案」案、(八)本院\n委員黃捷等22人擬具「電業法第七十一條之一條文修正草案」案、(九)本院委員陳亭妃等17人擬\n具「電業法第七十一條之一條文修正草案」案、(十)本院委員邱鎮軍等21人擬具「電業法第七十\n一條之一條文修正草案」案、(十一)本院委員吳沛憶等16人擬具「電業法第七十一條之一條文修\n正草案」案；二、審查： ( 一) 行政院函請審議「天然氣事業法第五十五條之一條文修正草案」\n案、(二)本院委員王美惠等20人擬具「天然氣事業法第五十五條之一條文修正草案」案、(三)本\n院委員李坤城等18人擬具「天然氣事業法第五十五條之一條文修正草案」案、(四)本院委員伍麗\n華 Saidhai Tahovecahe 等16人擬具「天然氣事業法第五十五條之一條文修正草案」案、(五)本\n院委員賴瑞隆等16人擬具「天然氣事業法第五十五條之一條文修正草案」案、(六)本院委員羅美\n玲等19人擬具「天然氣事業法第五十五條之一條文修正草案」案、(七)本院委員賴惠員等21人擬\n具「天然氣事業法第五十五條之一條文修正草案」案、(八)本院委員黃捷等22人擬具「天然氣事\n業法第五十五條之一條文修正草案」案、(九)本院委員陳亭妃等17人擬具「天然氣事業法第五十\n五條之一條文修正草案」案、(十)本院委員邱鎮軍等24人擬具「天然氣事業法第五十五條之一條文\n修正草案」案、(十一)本院委員吳沛憶等16人擬具「天然氣事業法第五十五條之一條文修正草案」\n案；三、審查：(一)行政院函請審議「自來水法第九十七條之一條文修正草案」案、(二)本院委\n員王美惠等19人擬具「自來水法第九十七條之一條文修正草案」案、(三)本院委員李坤城等18人\n擬具「自來水法第九十七條之一條文修正草案」案、(四)本院委員伍麗華 Saidhai Tahovecahe 等\n16人擬具「自來水法第九十七條之一條文修正草案」案、(五)本院委員賴瑞隆等16人擬具「自來\n水法第三條、第十六條之一及第九十七條之一條文修正草案」案、(六)本院委員羅美玲等19人擬\n具「自來水法第九十七條之一條文修正草案」案、(七)本院委員賴惠員等21人擬具「自來水法第\n九十七條之一條文修正草案」案、(八)本院委員黃捷等22人擬具「自來水法第九十七條之一條文\n修正草案」案、(九)本院委員陳亭妃等17人擬具「自來水法第九十七條之一條文修正草案」案、\n(十)本院委員吳沛憶等16人擬具「自來水法第九十七條之一條文修正草案」案（合併詢答）","agenda_id":"1148901_00007"}}}