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00:01:01,104\n這個問題其實我們內部也有討論幾個檔案那就是跟有一點類似裁劃法那個定義還有範圍就是每一個人都有你知道他的概念就是你首都是台北市還是雙北都要算市你如果說台北市有進來新北市就沒進來一定台北一定更漂亮那我請問一下這個\n\n3\n00:01:03,396 --> 00:01:13,291\n雙北啦雙北有哪些哪一類的公務員哪幾類公務員都想要逃離雙北想要調到別的地方你有沒有概念雙北喔\n\n4\n00:01:18,584 --> 00:01:35,787\n是山北做什麼套路的啦他應該是公務人員他很想要調去中南部的如果調不走的都會找名義代表說敢不敢把我們調回去中南部你說的那個有可能是警消吧對就是警消他為什麼要去中南部\n\n5\n00:01:41,863 --> 00:02:01,273\n有些是絕對有些是相對南部這方面的loading會比較少的就是因為雙北的高樓大廈跟江湘的熱油風險係數比較高這一塊對你們來說有在思考這些的加級要更多嗎\n\n6\n00:02:02,713 --> 00:02:26,723\n針對景蕭的部分從以前到現在一直有所謂的景情加級繁重加值沒有我是說這個雙北啦你說所有的公布另外沒有啦就是景蕭啦景蕭有啊本來就是六都的部分都有一套很嚴謹的制度不是六都啦就是雙北啦我們是用六都來算因為我們有台北市的想要調回去台南市嘛\n\n7\n00:02:28,477 --> 00:02:44,028\n他如果都不走,他就死去找人家找什麼他自己也知道他分手不夠,就很多警校他覺得他自己年輕警校他也知道他分數不夠嘛總是父母啊,都會想說,我剛好回來故鄉啦我剛好在台北,沒人照顧啦,理由一大堆啦\n\n8\n00:02:48,183 --> 00:03:13,833\n他就是因為雙北業務比較繁重我說請這個人事總署思考一下像這種東西怎麼留住人在雙北這第一個第二個我們很多公務員剛考上的時候可能各單位任用公務員大學畢業考公務員最想都要想要到中央機關因為他到中央機關以後叫長官\n\n9\n00:03:14,878 --> 00:03:34,310\n到去縣市政府到去公所的時候好都大到不妙的都坐頂館可以的可能是他們學長也是可以的就對了好那這一些公所的啊我現在就問公所啦公所的公務人員啊你知道公所的公務人員流動率高還是低啊其實流動率不高因為他要找頭腦派出好那公所有沒有哪一類的公務員\n\n10\n00:03:43,843 --> 00:03:46,386\n差不多做一兩年他就想要快點賺啊那這些人有沒有考慮再給他加點薪水讓他心無旁騖啊\n\n11\n00:04:01,343 --> 00:04:23,032\n加薪的部分我們是用整體的角度除非它是在偏遠地區很偏的我們有另外給它來要的那個加級不然一般土木的就是土木的那你們那個加級表不是可以動嗎有啦最近我們有在討論其實利用這個機會委員報告就是說針對土木工程因為外面的營建的薪水比較高\n\n12\n00:04:32,314 --> 00:04:58,764\n官媒做啦我們有做一些努力就是政治專業家籍還有他的留任獎金你如果做一年第二年你給他三萬你如果做三年第四年一年給他五萬我們都有做還有他的獎金扭起來那是我們定義的同歸那他有技師建築師資格的這個有家籍嗎沒獎就分明沒有我建議要啦\n\n13\n00:04:59,604 --> 00:05:25,958\n因為喔蠻多六都的都發局啊負責建造、省造這些單位啊他一些人都有建築師資格那他每天就在那邊發那些照嘛其實他去外面當建築師更好賺他就是想要有公務員資格那你把他好好留住啊他有這一些專門職業技術人員證照考慮一下考慮一下喔要把他們留下來看這個加級表可以調整一下沒有啦\n\n14\n00:05:26,806 --> 00:05:37,177\n好啦你們回去研究啦不跟你講第二個最近怎麼會有那什麼公立醫院的醫師啊什麼加班一年薪水九百幾塊那是怎麼回事啊我覺得他的呈現的方式大概應該是一般的樣子啦\n\n15\n00:05:48,038 --> 00:06:14,942\n地方會特經辦員的都不可能在蘇聯的台南機密的沒有我是說公立的公家的特經辦員的看他的基金他有一套內部的一個機制所以就會有很多的雖然都是公家機關每一個醫院的值班費應該是不可能的他就弄到弄到這個醫師他就年輕他也不可以值班以前醫界很簡單嘛年輕要值班嘛\n\n16\n00:06:15,866 --> 00:06:40,016\n值班可以賺多一點嘛現在那個值班什麼一小時九百幾塊他就說這樣我貴了我也不值班啊那就會造成可能急診啊各式各樣的這個醫師人力不足嘛那我有看你們的報告也寫說你們要對這些公立醫療機構的這些人的專業家籍的數額要調整嘛這個是做法是什麼\n\n17\n00:06:44,881 --> 00:07:12,614\n我們今年其實已經多了因為這個部分坦白講我們現在有各類型的人物各類型的扮演的角色你想說在公家機關的這些公職的醫師還有護士護士他的業定費也從差不多一兩百塊到一千五百六我們也都會逐漸的去看看整個人力供需的需求\n\n18\n00:07:13,474 --> 00:07:27,892\n會去調整好我是建議這樣因為你們很有可能有人反映你們就去檢討你想我剛才問你的土木的建築師土木技師你就可以去檢討嘛檢討之後說這個立委在問要不要調整一下另外一個立委來說我看那個也要調你們就去想\n\n19\n00:07:33,393 --> 00:07:49,064\n我覺得這樣啦就是按照公需啦就是說奇怪這個類科啊現在報考人數怎麼真的越來越少然後呢有一些奇怪都大量要調動就幾位都會想要照幾位都會想要照可能年輕人他來做幾年他發現說可以照趕快來照就是要申請調動那他要申請調動的時候呢用人機關發了函來給這個原來的機關嘛我們現在有一個規定說你要不要趕快告訴人家\n\n20\n00:08:04,018 --> 00:08:22,970\n從這裡的跡象應該可以顯示哪一些類科需要在這些東西上做調整那這個我覺得人事單位你們要有一個監測的計畫就是監看看這個東西到底是注意數字的變化然後趕快來做因應\n\n21\n00:08:24,023 --> 00:08:41,308\n其實我委員報告其實我們做兩件事第一件就是每一年我們會去看每一個直系的流動力的問題然後我們大概會五年會重新再做深入的一個分析你想說土木那就是我們這幾年分析出來\n\n22\n00:08:42,068 --> 00:09:00,842\n中央跟地方尤其是鄉鎮公所的土木的那個政治風險太高所以他差不多兩三天他就要走要走之後他走一段是去民間公家機關到花園裡面最少有三分之一到一半又停課\n\n23\n00:09:02,096 --> 00:09:26,755\n定課分化來中央因為中央比較安全中央比較安全地方風險比較高我們都有做這樣的一個分析所以我們從那個分析裡面我們會去做一些待遇的調整或者其他的配套甚至我們也跟考試院考選部去溝通你像今年各課土木的入期率差不多要50%\n\n24\n00:09:28,669 --> 00:09:46,784\n以前不太管因為欠了很多所以我們要去合調入企率一定要拉高不然這個人力切口一直越來越大其實我們都是長期性的有些是每年有些是兩三年有些是五年會做一個不同層級的分析那這些離職了調動了你們有再去跟他們座談問卷了解說因為什麼要照\n\n25\n00:09:58,788 --> 00:10:00,750\n土木的我們會拜託那個公共工程委員會\n\n26\n00:10:16,066 --> 00:10:37,651\n原來他待了那個機關的他的直接的主管問卷也許可以從那裡開始啦比如說一方面他可能講說這原來這個要離開這個人他個人的問題可能是一個原因那第二種可能就是說對這個位置人常常要離開原因是什麼就是說這一些了解完之後也許你們比較好做決定\n\n27\n00:10:38,635 --> 00:10:55,721\n委員報告啦其實那個離子我都有請他做一個離子問卷啦但是有的不好意思都要說家庭因素啦大家家庭因素都要等於孝順父母啊他是沒有寫到那裡有啦是都寫家庭因素有啦問卷我都有除了他本人啦\n\n28\n00:10:56,331 --> 00:11:01,194\n他直接上去的那個長官啦最清楚嘛要不然他是科員你就問他的股長問他的科長大家要知道狀況啦因為如果你不記名的話這些人會願意寫說對啦我這位差不多兩年就換了都會換人啊他們大家找的理由我跟你們中央講答案是這樣啊所以你們要注意啊你去問那個個人他當然給你的理由一段時間他就要找他七十年\n\n29\n00:11:19,904 --> 00:11:29,809\n可是他的長官因為怕下面沒有人所以他一定會寫實話這一塊你們再加強一下讓你們後面比較好做決策好謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n6800\t8340\t沒有 你如果英文給3分好 謝謝主席 我們請任市長請任市長委員長好 任市長早最近這個我看到台北市議員提出來說首都的公務員要有加級這你有看過這個新聞嗎\n38190\t61104\t這個問題其實我們內部也有討論幾個檔案那就是跟有一點類似裁劃法那個定義還有範圍就是每一個人都有你知道他的概念就是你首都是台北市還是雙北都要算市你如果說台北市有進來新北市就沒進來一定台北一定更漂亮那我請問一下這個\n63396\t73291\t雙北啦 雙北有哪些 哪一類的公務員哪幾類公務員都想要逃離雙北想要調到別的地方你有沒有概念雙北喔\n78584\t95787\t是山北做什麼套路的啦 他應該是公務人員他很想要調去中南部的 如果調不走的 都會找名義代表說敢不敢把我們調回去中南部你說的那個有可能是警消吧對 就是警消 他為什麼要去中南部\n101863\t121273\t有些是絕對 有些是相對南部這方面的loading會比較少的就是因為雙北的高樓大廈跟江湘的熱油風險係數比較高這一塊對你們來說有在思考這些的加級要更多嗎\n122713\t146723\t針對景蕭的部分從以前到現在一直有所謂的景情加級 繁重加值沒有 我是說這個雙北啦你說所有的公布另外沒有啦 就是景蕭啦景蕭有啊 本來就是六都的部分都有一套很嚴謹的制度不是六都啦 就是雙北啦我們是用六都來算因為我們有台北市的想要調回去台南市嘛\n148477\t164028\t他如果都不走,他就死去找人家找什麼他自己也知道他分手不夠,就很多警校他覺得他自己年輕警校他也知道他分數不夠嘛總是父母啊,都會想說,我剛好回來故鄉啦我剛好在台北,沒人照顧啦,理由一大堆啦\n168183\t193833\t他就是因為雙北業務比較繁重我說請這個人事總署思考一下像這種東西怎麼留住人在雙北這第一個第二個我們很多公務員剛考上的時候可能各單位任用公務員大學畢業考公務員最想都要想要到中央機關因為他到中央機關以後叫長官\n194878\t214310\t到去縣市政府 到去公所的時候好 都大到不妙的 都坐頂館可以的 可能是他們學長 也是可以的就對了 好那這一些公所的啊我現在就問公所啦 公所的公務人員啊你知道公所的公務人員流動率高還是低啊其實流動率不高 因為他要找頭腦派出好 那公所有沒有哪一類的公務員\n223843\t226386\t差不多做一兩年他就想要快點賺啊那這些人有沒有考慮再給他加點薪水讓他心無旁騖啊\n241343\t263032\t加薪的部分我們是用整體的角度除非它是在偏遠地區 很偏的我們有另外給它來要的那個加級不然一般土木的就是土木的那你們那個加級表不是可以動嗎有啦 最近我們有在討論其實 利用這個機會 委員報告就是說針對土木工程因為外面的營建的薪水比較高\n272314\t298764\t官媒做啦我們有做一些努力就是政治專業家籍還有他的留任獎金你如果做一年第二年你給他三萬你如果做三年第四年一年給他五萬我們都有做 還有他的獎金扭起來那是我們定義的同歸那他有技師建築師資格的這個有家籍嗎沒獎就分明沒有我建議要啦\n299604\t325958\t因為喔 蠻多六都的都發局啊負責建造、省造這些單位啊他一些人都有建築師資格那他每天就在那邊發那些照嘛其實他去外面當建築師更好賺他就是想要有公務員資格那你把他好好留住啊他有這一些專門職業技術人員證照考慮一下考慮一下喔 要把他們留下來看這個加級表可以調整一下沒有啦\n326806\t337177\t好啦 你們回去研究啦 不跟你講第二個 最近怎麼會有那什麼公立醫院的醫師啊什麼加班一年薪水九百幾塊那是怎麼回事啊我覺得他的呈現的方式大概應該是一般的樣子啦\n348038\t374942\t地方會特經辦員的都不可能在蘇聯的台南機密的沒有 我是說公立的公家的特經辦員的看他的基金他有一套內部的一個機制所以就會有很多的雖然都是公家機關每一個醫院的值班費應該是不可能的他就弄到弄到這個醫師他就年輕他也不可以值班以前醫界很簡單嘛年輕要值班嘛\n375866\t400016\t值班可以賺多一點嘛現在那個值班 什麼一小時九百幾塊他就說這樣我貴了我也不值班啊 那就會造成可能急診啊各式各樣的這個醫師人力不足嘛那我有看你們的報告也寫說你們要對這些公立醫療機構的這些人的專業家籍的數額要調整嘛這個是做法是什麼\n404881\t432614\t我們今年其實已經多了因為這個部分坦白講我們現在有各類型的人物各類型的扮演的角色你想說在公家機關的這些公職的醫師還有護士護士他的業定費也從差不多一兩百塊到一千五百六我們也都會逐漸的去看看整個人力供需的需求\n433474\t447892\t會去調整好 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就是雙北啦我們是用六都來算因為我們有台北市的想要調回去台南市嘛\n他如果都不走,他就死去找人家找什麼他自己也知道他分手不夠,就很多警校他覺得他自己年輕警校他也知道他分數不夠嘛總是父母啊,都會想說,我剛好回來故鄉啦我剛好在台北,沒人照顧啦,理由一大堆啦\n他就是因為雙北業務比較繁重我說請這個人事總署思考一下像這種東西怎麼留住人在雙北這第一個第二個我們很多公務員剛考上的時候可能各單位任用公務員大學畢業考公務員最想都要想要到中央機關因為他到中央機關以後叫長官\n到去縣市政府 到去公所的時候好 都大到不妙的 都坐頂館可以的 可能是他們學長 也是可以的就對了 好那這一些公所的啊我現在就問公所啦 公所的公務人員啊你知道公所的公務人員流動率高還是低啊其實流動率不高 因為他要找頭腦派出好 那公所有沒有哪一類的公務員\n差不多做一兩年他就想要快點賺啊那這些人有沒有考慮再給他加點薪水讓他心無旁騖啊\n加薪的部分我們是用整體的角度除非它是在偏遠地區 很偏的我們有另外給它來要的那個加級不然一般土木的就是土木的那你們那個加級表不是可以動嗎有啦 最近我們有在討論其實 利用這個機會 委員報告就是說針對土木工程因為外面的營建的薪水比較高\n官媒做啦我們有做一些努力就是政治專業家籍還有他的留任獎金你如果做一年第二年你給他三萬你如果做三年第四年一年給他五萬我們都有做 還有他的獎金扭起來那是我們定義的同歸那他有技師建築師資格的這個有家籍嗎沒獎就分明沒有我建議要啦\n因為喔 蠻多六都的都發局啊負責建造、省造這些單位啊他一些人都有建築師資格那他每天就在那邊發那些照嘛其實他去外面當建築師更好賺他就是想要有公務員資格那你把他好好留住啊他有這一些專門職業技術人員證照考慮一下考慮一下喔 要把他們留下來看這個加級表可以調整一下沒有啦\n好啦 你們回去研究啦 不跟你講第二個 最近怎麼會有那什麼公立醫院的醫師啊什麼加班一年薪水九百幾塊那是怎麼回事啊我覺得他的呈現的方式大概應該是一般的樣子啦\n地方會特經辦員的都不可能在蘇聯的台南機密的沒有 我是說公立的公家的特經辦員的看他的基金他有一套內部的一個機制所以就會有很多的雖然都是公家機關每一個醫院的值班費應該是不可能的他就弄到弄到這個醫師他就年輕他也不可以值班以前醫界很簡單嘛年輕要值班嘛\n值班可以賺多一點嘛現在那個值班 什麼一小時九百幾塊他就說這樣我貴了我也不值班啊 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