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00:02:06,890\n乾燥之後然後又可以當成飼料就是類似這樣的一個狀況那未來我不知道說環境部針對這一部分你們要怎麼去處理或怎麼去精進要不然如果說每天產生的廚餘這麼多那如果照現在這個狀況還是用掩埋的其實對整個環境是惡度傷害\n\n7\n00:02:07,871 --> 00:02:30,686\n是不是請部長先回答這個關於這個黑水盲啊或是肥料或是各種的這個生殖能其實他我們現在其實其實我們在之前就有一些想法希望鼓勵這個這個產業可以發展起來解決我們的垃圾還有廚餘的問題所以的確我們現在兩個階段一個短期間內的短時間的去化第二個呢就是在這個15天或是未來\n\n8\n00:02:31,286 --> 00:02:55,363\n如何去处理这个厨余我们的确是在思考已经在讨论密集的在讨论这个问题那不过因为我们现在都在忙这个去化短时间的所以那个可能要再一点点的时间但是也跟委员报告因为我们过去都是靠养猪然后来处理我们这个厨余所以它的成本是很低的那未来呢如果变成黑水盲或是说生殖能等等那个就会变成一个成本了\n\n9\n00:02:55,683 --> 00:03:14,769\n所以這個社會的接受度或是整個社會的體系整個生態系有沒有辦法完成這個是我們現在也在評估的點另外就是說這些廚餘因為都湯湯水水有沒有可能先用脫水的方式先脫水方式然後先去處理或是先乾燥我不知道說你們未來要怎麼去處理\n\n10\n00:03:15,789 --> 00:03:38,701\n所以我覺得說這個其實對整個環境我那天看到整個用掩埋的方式那都是湯湯水水那對我們的整個環境不會有二度傷害嗎對報告委員那個湯湯水水是不好所以我們一直在一開始就鼓勵各縣市環保局一起來鼓勵民眾能夠先立竿是先立竿來我們再副署長是\n\n11\n00:03:39,741 --> 00:03:59,710\n跟委員報告我們補助各縣市的處理設施處理處理設施它在前面都有一個破碎拖水設備誠如委員講的這個灘灘水水太多對後面的堆毀效果是不好的所以我們有補助地方做破碎拖水設備我看到台中市政府\n\n12\n00:04:00,885 --> 00:04:16,663\n一車一車的這樣往那個坑裡面倒我都覺得他到底有沒有先把這個湯湯水水的東西把它瀝乾我覺得後續可能你們要再去監測整個這幾個地方未來現在是一個垃圾坑未來可能會變成一個這個廚餘山\n\n13\n00:04:19,727 --> 00:04:48,849\n那當然我剛剛有看到新聞就是說台中市政府有先進就是說再把廚餘再往那個坑裡面去倒那後續我覺得說應該環境部應該也可以去協調其他縣市如果他們還有餘裕的話那個處理廚餘還有能力的話是不是也要來協助其他縣市這個可以來一同處理現在目前最急迫的這個廚餘的這個問題是不是可以請環境部一起來協助\n\n14\n00:04:49,650 --> 00:05:15,449\n好謝謝委員其實台中的這個事情其實從禮拜天我們一直關注到現在我特別因為他的堆肥跟掩埋他的方式比較不符合我們環境部在這一次定下的指引所以他們也從善如流遵照我們的意見在這兩天也做出改善昨天我們也派人去他的四個掩埋場去做他也進行了一個顯著的修正那我也特別請我們的環管署署長\n\n15\n00:05:16,369 --> 00:05:30,687\n主動質疑環保局局長說如果台中需要幫忙的話我們環境部可以來協助是不是其他縣市可以調度雖然其他縣市壓力也很大但是我們發揮這個同島一命的精神協助來處理的確我們主動的有表達這樣的意思\n\n16\n00:05:31,767 --> 00:05:52,497\n我們希望就是說環境部這邊應該要來協助另外就是說大家關心的就是說這個豬農他沒有上傳一些真主的一些照片或資料當時台中市政府說沒有罰則可是我們環境部說可以用廢清法去處罰所以我是覺得說\n\n17\n00:05:54,358 --> 00:06:09,630\n如果確實他們沒有把這個資料上傳的話那真的是違法那有什麼樣的方式那如果說照台中市來講就是說這個沒有上傳也不違法那你要怎麼去後面後續再去精進\n\n18\n00:06:11,171 --> 00:06:36,496\n當然就是說未來如果你還要再用廚餘去養豬的話就會有衍生這樣的問題那未來如果沒有廚餘再進到這個養豬場那就不會有類似這個狀況所以我希望就是說不論是環境部或者是農業部真的事情已經發生了那我們未來要怎麼去改進去精進我覺得這個是你們現在要去趕快去釐清的\n\n19\n00:06:37,196 --> 00:06:51,608\n未來在這個11月7號好像11月7號就可以這個肉品市場就可以拍賣這個豬隻然後目前他們是這樣子說那如果是11月7號可以拍賣可以開始這個豬隻可以運載\n\n20\n00:06:56,011 --> 00:07:19,383\n這個運來運去的話或者是拍賣的話那以後我們的傳統市場或者是我們的市場就可以再這個買到豬肉那我覺得說類似這樣的問題真的要趕快去解決另外我想請教那個農業部的這個部長就是說喂好\n\n21\n00:07:20,080 --> 00:07:37,636\n部長我想請教就是說現在我們這個豬農他現在我們講就是說你剛講的不論是白豬黑豬都可以用廚餘來養豬那就是說要怎麼去防堵這個疫情的發生最主要就是要徵足\n\n22\n00:07:38,737 --> 00:07:58,759\n可能就是說要珍珠可能要幾度然後要多少時間才會將這個病毒殺死那未來就是如果還要繼續廚餘養豬的話我不知道說你們到底會禁多久你們這個禁止廚餘養豬你們到底會禁多久\n\n23\n00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:10,306\n先跟我們說明我們現在做兩樣錯誤就是禁運禁宅另外一個禁止廚餘養豬禁運禁宅會等到我們專家會確認乾淨的時候就會解開廚餘的部分\n\n24\n00:08:15,089 --> 00:08:42,903\n还要多一道手续因为现在都没有办法进到养猪场里面去做检查所以除养猪的部分我们第一个要先确认他的所有的征主设备是属于安全的属于可以去做管理的刚才委员也特别强调落实征主还有落实我们的稽查这两个东西要扣在一起以后确定他不会再有这样的一个遗漏的时候我们才会再再度开放\n\n25\n00:08:43,303 --> 00:09:06,474\n部长我想请教因为现在除了有弄养好几百头猪的好几千头猪的也有那一种几十头的可能十几头二十几头的这一种比较小场的这种养猪场你怎么去管理这些这么小的小场的这种养猪场有的才养十几头他原本就是用珍珠\n\n26\n00:09:06,954 --> 00:09:31,143\n就是漆這個是廚餘嗎200頭我們現在就是廚餘不能養豬但是廚餘要養豬的時候有一些條件你才能夠用廚餘養豬就是200頭以上的然後你有蒸煮設備蒸煮設備要90度C一個小時的蒸煮你才能夠養豬那這個部分就在環境部的這個檢查那個蒸煮的條件有規範那未來如果說這種\n\n27\n00:09:32,924 --> 00:10:01,659\n我相信部長你也知道有一些鄭咖鄭咖偉後院養的這個這個是我們是也會跟地方政府或是什麼去聯合稽查以前早期可能有現在比較沒有因為在家裡養豬鄉下地方其實現在也不像那麼空曠了所以只要有人養豬的時候那個豬叫聲或什麼很容易造成一些民眾的檢舉所以這種後院自己養豬的情況會已經比較少了但是我們也會落實這些稽查\n\n28\n00:10:02,619 --> 00:10:19,370\n就是說鄉下地方可能比較空曠有的他還是會零星養豬那他有的就真的就是用廚餘去飼養所以類似這個狀況我們也希望就是說地方政府也要這個確實去稽查那不然其實這個也是一個破口\n\n29\n00:10:20,030 --> 00:10:48,429\n對這個就是一個非常重要就是廚醫本身養豬不是壞事你只要落實我們的徵主條件落實我們的稽查那就沒什麼問題是好那部長我再請教就是說我們現在的這個獸醫的這個制度其實有很多新的這個畜牧場他可能在剛開始申請的時候他會有特醫的這個特約的獸醫師那也許特約一年或兩年好特約時間過了之後可能就沒有就這個獸醫師可能\n\n30\n00:10:49,890 --> 00:11:10,548\n就特約就沒了嘛那這個也是一個破口這也會變成一個破口就是說原本這個養豬場他有特約可能為了就是說檢查或者是為了申請那這個時間過了之後沒這個特約的收益師那我們也看到就是說有的有特約他可能一年就是說給這個收益師幾千塊\n\n31\n00:11:13,230 --> 00:11:41,542\n我不知道就是特約的這個費用這個費用真的很少那所以我覺得說這個部分未來我們環境部我們這個農業部要怎麼去處理這個受益師的這個區塊我想非常謝謝委員的提醒在這次疫調的過程在這次我們防疫的過程中我們也發現到類似這樣的一個現象那比較大廠的部分他有一個專業的受益師但是有一些中小廠的部分他用特約受益師他也不是每天來上班的方式\n\n32\n00:11:43,874 --> 00:12:11,062\n久了以後可能每個豬農認為自己自己都可以當醫生了所以用到這個特別醫生可能會頻率少所以我覺得這個東西我們一定要重新建立一個很完整的一個機制包括特約收益師跟跟畜牧場的關係包括他的價格的合理化有沒有他的價格合理化我想這個東西我們在疫調的過程看到一些問題我們都把它記錄下來那也謝謝委員提醒我們這個部分我想在疫情比較稍緩的時候我們就會來做這樣的一個處理\n\n33\n00:12:13,503 --> 00:12:34,835\n我們當然就是希望就是說這個疫情能夠得到控制那獸醫師其實一個非常重要我們也看到這個台中這個場獸醫師他到底有沒有到現場去看或者是直接用電話直接投藥或者是用什麼樣的方式所以就會讓人家覺得說那這個獸醫師的這個制度確實也出現了一些問題\n\n34\n00:12:36,216 --> 00:12:57,571\n對那有關於這個部分因為現在疫調還在調查過程中我不做任何的評論但是我們的目標就是找到可能的來源然後也藉由這個機會去了解我們過去在整個防疫的系統裡面有哪一些必須要改進的那我們要趁這個機會能夠改進了以後我想我們才能夠去抵擋下一波的一個問題\n\n35\n00:12:58,291 --> 00:13:16,990\n好那我們希望就是說要去檢討落實獸醫師的這個制度那另外就是說也讓這些獸醫師願意留在地方當然就是說剛剛部長有特別提到就是說我們有獸醫不開業的這個獎金那當然這個也是一個鼓勵讓他們留在這個場域裡面工作\n\n36\n00:13:18,471 --> 00:13:30,402\n應該也要再去討論一下到底這個跟畜牧場的這個合約到底它的這個價格到底是合理或不合理我覺得這應該制度應該也要再去檢討一下我們一起回來檢討好不好好謝謝好謝謝黃委員謝謝部長請回\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n1423\t4075\t謝謝主席 我們先請彭部長再請彭部長\n8580\t32159\t黃國元好部長好 部長從這幾天大家一直在關心就是說這個非洲豬瘟的事情那我也看到就是說昨天這個養豬就是工會這邊的這個不論是各縣市的工會 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報告委員那個湯湯水水是不好所以我們一直在一開始就鼓勵各縣市環保局一起來鼓勵民眾能夠先立竿是先立竿來我們再副署長是\n219741\t239710\t跟委員報告我們補助各縣市的處理設施處理處理設施它在前面都有一個破碎拖水設備誠如委員講的這個灘灘水水太多對後面的堆毀效果是不好的所以我們有補助地方做破碎拖水設備我看到台中市政府\n240885\t256663\t一車一車的這樣往那個坑裡面倒我都覺得他到底有沒有先把這個湯湯水水的東西把它瀝乾我覺得後續可能你們要再去監測整個這幾個地方未來現在是一個垃圾坑未來可能會變成一個這個廚餘山\n259727\t288849\t那當然我剛剛有看到新聞就是說台中市政府有先進就是說再把廚餘再往那個坑裡面去倒那後續我覺得說應該環境部應該也可以去協調其他縣市如果他們還有餘裕的話那個處理廚餘還有能力的話是不是也要來協助其他縣市這個可以來一同處理現在目前最急迫的這個廚餘的這個問題是不是可以請環境部一起來協助\n289650\t315449\t好 謝謝委員其實台中的這個事情其實從禮拜天我們一直關注到現在我特別 因為他的堆肥跟掩埋他的方式比較不符合我們環境部在這一次定下的指引所以他們也從善如流 遵照我們的意見在這兩天也做出改善昨天我們也派人去他的四個掩埋場去做他也進行了一個顯著的修正那我也特別請我們的環管署署長\n316369\t330687\t主動質疑環保局局長說如果台中需要幫忙的話我們環境部可以來協助是不是其他縣市可以調度雖然其他縣市壓力也很大但是我們發揮這個同島一命的精神協助來處理的確我們主動的有表達這樣的意思\n331767\t352497\t我們希望就是說環境部這邊應該要來協助另外就是說大家關心的就是說這個豬農他沒有上傳一些真主的一些照片或資料當時台中市政府說沒有罰則可是我們環境部說可以用廢清法去處罰所以我是覺得說\n354358\t369630\t如果確實他們沒有把這個資料上傳的話那真的是違法那有什麼樣的方式那如果說照台中市來講就是說這個沒有上傳也不違法那你要怎麼去後面後續再去精進\n371171\t396496\t當然就是說未來如果你還要再用廚餘去養豬的話就會有衍生這樣的問題那未來如果沒有廚餘再進到這個養豬場那就不會有類似這個狀況所以我希望就是說不論是環境部或者是農業部真的事情已經發生了那我們未來要怎麼去改進去精進我覺得這個是你們現在要去趕快去釐清的\n397196\t411608\t未來在這個11月7號好像11月7號就可以這個肉品市場就可以拍賣這個豬隻然後目前他們是這樣子說那如果是11月7號可以拍賣可以開始這個豬隻可以運載\n416011\t439383\t這個運來運去的話或者是拍賣的話那以後我們的傳統市場或者是我們的市場就可以再這個買到豬肉那我覺得說類似這樣的問題真的要趕快去解決另外我想請教那個農業部的這個部長就是說喂好\n440080\t457636\t部長我想請教就是說現在我們這個豬農他現在我們講就是說你剛講的不論是白豬黑豬都可以用廚餘來養豬那就是說要怎麼去防堵這個疫情的發生最主要就是要徵足\n458737\t478759\t可能就是說要珍珠可能要幾度然後要多少時間才會將這個病毒殺死那未來就是如果還要繼續廚餘養豬的話我不知道說你們到底會禁多久你們這個禁止廚餘養豬你們到底會禁多久\n480600\t490306\t先跟我們說明我們現在做兩樣錯誤就是禁運禁宅另外一個禁止廚餘養豬禁運禁宅會等到我們專家會確認乾淨的時候就會解開廚餘的部分\n495089\t522903\t还要多一道手续因为现在都没有办法进到养猪场里面去做检查所以除养猪的部分我们第一个要先确认他的所有的征主设备是属于安全的属于可以去做管理的刚才委员也特别强调落实征主还有落实我们的稽查这两个东西要扣在一起以后确定他不会再有这样的一个遗漏的时候我们才会再再度开放\n523303\t546474\t部长我想请教因为现在除了有弄养好几百头猪的好几千头猪的也有那一种几十头的可能十几头二十几头的这一种比较小场的这种养猪场你怎么去管理这些这么小的小场的这种养猪场有的才养十几头他原本就是用珍珠\n546954\t571143\t就是漆 這個是廚餘嗎200頭 我們現在就是廚餘不能養豬但是廚餘要養豬的時候有一些條件你才能夠用廚餘養豬就是200頭以上的然後你有蒸煮設備蒸煮設備要90度C一個小時的蒸煮你才能夠養豬那這個部分就在環境部的這個檢查那個蒸煮的條件有規範那未來如果說這種\n572924\t601659\t我相信部長你也知道有一些鄭咖 鄭咖偉後院養的這個這個是我們是也會跟地方政府或是什麼去聯合稽查以前早期可能有現在比較沒有因為在家裡養豬鄉下地方其實現在也不像那麼空曠了所以只要有人養豬的時候那個豬叫聲或什麼很容易造成一些民眾的檢舉所以這種後院自己養豬的情況會已經比較少了但是我們也會落實這些稽查\n602619\t619370\t就是說鄉下地方可能比較空曠有的他還是會零星養豬那他有的就真的就是用廚餘去飼養所以類似這個狀況我們也希望就是說地方政府也要這個確實去稽查那不然其實這個也是一個破口\n620030\t648429\t對 這個就是一個非常重要就是廚醫本身養豬不是壞事你只要落實我們的徵主條件落實我們的稽查那就沒什麼問題是 好那部長我再請教就是說我們現在的這個獸醫的這個制度其實有很多新的這個畜牧場他可能在剛開始申請的時候他會有特醫的這個特約的獸醫師那也許特約一年或兩年好 特約時間過了之後可能就沒有就這個獸醫師可能\n649890\t670548\t就特約就沒了嘛那這個也是一個破口這也會變成一個破口就是說原本這個養豬場他有特約可能為了就是說檢查或者是為了申請那這個時間過了之後沒這個特約的收益師那我們也看到就是說有的有特約他可能一年就是說給這個收益師幾千塊\n673230\t701542\t我不知道就是特約的這個費用這個費用真的很少那所以我覺得說這個部分未來我們環境部我們這個農業部要怎麼去處理這個受益師的這個區塊我想非常謝謝委員的提醒在這次疫調的過程在這次我們防疫的過程中我們也發現到類似這樣的一個現象那比較大廠的部分他有一個專業的受益師但是有一些中小廠的部分他用特約受益師他也不是每天來上班的方式\n703874\t731062\t久了以後可能每個豬農認為自己自己都可以當醫生了所以用到這個特別醫生可能會頻率少所以我覺得這個東西我們一定要重新建立一個很完整的一個機制包括特約收益師跟跟畜牧場的關係包括他的價格的合理化有沒有他的價格合理化我想這個東西我們在疫調的過程看到一些問題我們都把它記錄下來那也謝謝委員提醒我們這個部分我想在疫情比較稍緩的時候我們就會來做這樣的一個處理\n733503\t754835\t我們當然就是希望就是說這個疫情能夠得到控制那獸醫師其實一個非常重要我們也看到這個台中這個場獸醫師他到底有沒有到現場去看或者是直接用電話直接投藥或者是用什麼樣的方式所以就會讓人家覺得說那這個獸醫師的這個制度確實也出現了一些問題\n756216\t777571\t對 那有關於這個部分因為現在疫調還在調查過程中我不做任何的評論但是我們的目標就是找到可能的來源然後也藉由這個機會去了解我們過去在整個防疫的系統裡面有哪一些必須要改進的那我們要趁這個機會能夠改進了以後我想我們才能夠去抵擋下一波的一個問題\n778291\t796990\t好 那我們希望就是說要去檢討落實獸醫師的這個制度那另外就是說也讓這些獸醫師願意留在地方當然就是說剛剛部長有特別提到就是說我們有獸醫不開業的這個獎金那當然這個也是一個鼓勵讓他們留在這個場域裡面工作\n798471\t810402\t應該也要再去討論一下 到底這個跟畜牧場的這個合約 到底它的這個價格到底是合理或不合理我覺得這應該 制度應該也要再去檢討一下我們一起回來檢討 好不好 好 謝謝好 謝謝黃委員 謝謝部長 請回\n","txt":"謝謝主席 我們先請彭部長再請彭部長\n黃國元好部長好 部長從這幾天大家一直在關心就是說這個非洲豬瘟的事情那我也看到就是說昨天這個養豬就是工會這邊的這個不論是各縣市的工會 養豬協會或者是全國聯合會他們也共同來立法院這邊來陳情\n那其中有一部分我想請教部長就是說我們既然目前雖然現在因為產生非洲豬瘟所以目前是全部禁止這個廚餘養豬那未來未來是不是有可能就是說到底這個廚餘是要繼續來養豬或者是要做其他的堆肥或者是這個豔陽發酵或是做其他的這種\n這個乾燥之後然後也可以再做其他的這個再利用所以我希望就是說部長針對這部分真的中央真的要好好去思考一下那既然就是說非洲豬瘟在台中這邊已經產生了\n那我覺得看到廚餘前幾天我看到那個台中市把廚餘全部倒到那個坑裡面其實大家覺得怎麼還是用這樣的方式去處理這個廚餘那之前我在當招委的時候跟那個我們有排到地方去看用黑水盲去處理廚餘那也另外一方面就是說我們廚餘也可以乾燥之後\n乾燥之後然後又可以當成飼料就是類似這樣的一個狀況那未來我不知道說環境部針對這一部分你們要怎麼去處理或怎麼去精進要不然如果說每天產生的廚餘這麼多那如果照現在這個狀況還是用掩埋的其實對整個環境是惡度傷害\n是不是請部長先回答這個關於這個黑水盲啊或是肥料或是各種的這個生殖能其實他我們現在其實其實我們在之前就有一些想法希望鼓勵這個這個產業可以發展起來解決我們的垃圾還有廚餘的問題所以的確我們現在兩個階段一個短期間內的短時間的去化第二個呢就是在這個15天或是未來\n如何去处理这个厨余我们的确是在思考已经在讨论密集的在讨论这个问题那不过因为我们现在都在忙这个去化短时间的所以那个可能要再一点点的时间但是也跟委员报告因为我们过去都是靠养猪然后来处理我们这个厨余所以它的成本是很低的那未来呢如果变成黑水盲或是说生殖能等等那个就会变成一个成本了\n所以這個社會的接受度或是整個社會的體系整個生態系有沒有辦法完成這個是我們現在也在評估的點另外就是說這些廚餘因為都湯湯水水有沒有可能先用脫水的方式先脫水方式然後先去處理或是先乾燥我不知道說你們未來要怎麼去處理\n所以我覺得說這個其實對整個環境我那天看到整個用掩埋的方式那都是湯湯水水那對我們的整個環境不會有二度傷害嗎對 報告委員那個湯湯水水是不好所以我們一直在一開始就鼓勵各縣市環保局一起來鼓勵民眾能夠先立竿是先立竿來我們再副署長是\n跟委員報告我們補助各縣市的處理設施處理處理設施它在前面都有一個破碎拖水設備誠如委員講的這個灘灘水水太多對後面的堆毀效果是不好的所以我們有補助地方做破碎拖水設備我看到台中市政府\n一車一車的這樣往那個坑裡面倒我都覺得他到底有沒有先把這個湯湯水水的東西把它瀝乾我覺得後續可能你們要再去監測整個這幾個地方未來現在是一個垃圾坑未來可能會變成一個這個廚餘山\n那當然我剛剛有看到新聞就是說台中市政府有先進就是說再把廚餘再往那個坑裡面去倒那後續我覺得說應該環境部應該也可以去協調其他縣市如果他們還有餘裕的話那個處理廚餘還有能力的話是不是也要來協助其他縣市這個可以來一同處理現在目前最急迫的這個廚餘的這個問題是不是可以請環境部一起來協助\n好 謝謝委員其實台中的這個事情其實從禮拜天我們一直關注到現在我特別 因為他的堆肥跟掩埋他的方式比較不符合我們環境部在這一次定下的指引所以他們也從善如流 遵照我們的意見在這兩天也做出改善昨天我們也派人去他的四個掩埋場去做他也進行了一個顯著的修正那我也特別請我們的環管署署長\n主動質疑環保局局長說如果台中需要幫忙的話我們環境部可以來協助是不是其他縣市可以調度雖然其他縣市壓力也很大但是我們發揮這個同島一命的精神協助來處理的確我們主動的有表達這樣的意思\n我們希望就是說環境部這邊應該要來協助另外就是說大家關心的就是說這個豬農他沒有上傳一些真主的一些照片或資料當時台中市政府說沒有罰則可是我們環境部說可以用廢清法去處罰所以我是覺得說\n如果確實他們沒有把這個資料上傳的話那真的是違法那有什麼樣的方式那如果說照台中市來講就是說這個沒有上傳也不違法那你要怎麼去後面後續再去精進\n當然就是說未來如果你還要再用廚餘去養豬的話就會有衍生這樣的問題那未來如果沒有廚餘再進到這個養豬場那就不會有類似這個狀況所以我希望就是說不論是環境部或者是農業部真的事情已經發生了那我們未來要怎麼去改進去精進我覺得這個是你們現在要去趕快去釐清的\n未來在這個11月7號好像11月7號就可以這個肉品市場就可以拍賣這個豬隻然後目前他們是這樣子說那如果是11月7號可以拍賣可以開始這個豬隻可以運載\n這個運來運去的話或者是拍賣的話那以後我們的傳統市場或者是我們的市場就可以再這個買到豬肉那我覺得說類似這樣的問題真的要趕快去解決另外我想請教那個農業部的這個部長就是說喂好\n部長我想請教就是說現在我們這個豬農他現在我們講就是說你剛講的不論是白豬黑豬都可以用廚餘來養豬那就是說要怎麼去防堵這個疫情的發生最主要就是要徵足\n可能就是說要珍珠可能要幾度然後要多少時間才會將這個病毒殺死那未來就是如果還要繼續廚餘養豬的話我不知道說你們到底會禁多久你們這個禁止廚餘養豬你們到底會禁多久\n先跟我們說明我們現在做兩樣錯誤就是禁運禁宅另外一個禁止廚餘養豬禁運禁宅會等到我們專家會確認乾淨的時候就會解開廚餘的部分\n还要多一道手续因为现在都没有办法进到养猪场里面去做检查所以除养猪的部分我们第一个要先确认他的所有的征主设备是属于安全的属于可以去做管理的刚才委员也特别强调落实征主还有落实我们的稽查这两个东西要扣在一起以后确定他不会再有这样的一个遗漏的时候我们才会再再度开放\n部长我想请教因为现在除了有弄养好几百头猪的好几千头猪的也有那一种几十头的可能十几头二十几头的这一种比较小场的这种养猪场你怎么去管理这些这么小的小场的这种养猪场有的才养十几头他原本就是用珍珠\n就是漆 這個是廚餘嗎200頭 我們現在就是廚餘不能養豬但是廚餘要養豬的時候有一些條件你才能夠用廚餘養豬就是200頭以上的然後你有蒸煮設備蒸煮設備要90度C一個小時的蒸煮你才能夠養豬那這個部分就在環境部的這個檢查那個蒸煮的條件有規範那未來如果說這種\n我相信部長你也知道有一些鄭咖 鄭咖偉後院養的這個這個是我們是也會跟地方政府或是什麼去聯合稽查以前早期可能有現在比較沒有因為在家裡養豬鄉下地方其實現在也不像那麼空曠了所以只要有人養豬的時候那個豬叫聲或什麼很容易造成一些民眾的檢舉所以這種後院自己養豬的情況會已經比較少了但是我們也會落實這些稽查\n就是說鄉下地方可能比較空曠有的他還是會零星養豬那他有的就真的就是用廚餘去飼養所以類似這個狀況我們也希望就是說地方政府也要這個確實去稽查那不然其實這個也是一個破口\n對 這個就是一個非常重要就是廚醫本身養豬不是壞事你只要落實我們的徵主條件落實我們的稽查那就沒什麼問題是 好那部長我再請教就是說我們現在的這個獸醫的這個制度其實有很多新的這個畜牧場他可能在剛開始申請的時候他會有特醫的這個特約的獸醫師那也許特約一年或兩年好 特約時間過了之後可能就沒有就這個獸醫師可能\n就特約就沒了嘛那這個也是一個破口這也會變成一個破口就是說原本這個養豬場他有特約可能為了就是說檢查或者是為了申請那這個時間過了之後沒這個特約的收益師那我們也看到就是說有的有特約他可能一年就是說給這個收益師幾千塊\n我不知道就是特約的這個費用這個費用真的很少那所以我覺得說這個部分未來我們環境部我們這個農業部要怎麼去處理這個受益師的這個區塊我想非常謝謝委員的提醒在這次疫調的過程在這次我們防疫的過程中我們也發現到類似這樣的一個現象那比較大廠的部分他有一個專業的受益師但是有一些中小廠的部分他用特約受益師他也不是每天來上班的方式\n久了以後可能每個豬農認為自己自己都可以當醫生了所以用到這個特別醫生可能會頻率少所以我覺得這個東西我們一定要重新建立一個很完整的一個機制包括特約收益師跟跟畜牧場的關係包括他的價格的合理化有沒有他的價格合理化我想這個東西我們在疫調的過程看到一些問題我們都把它記錄下來那也謝謝委員提醒我們這個部分我想在疫情比較稍緩的時候我們就會來做這樣的一個處理\n我們當然就是希望就是說這個疫情能夠得到控制那獸醫師其實一個非常重要我們也看到這個台中這個場獸醫師他到底有沒有到現場去看或者是直接用電話直接投藥或者是用什麼樣的方式所以就會讓人家覺得說那這個獸醫師的這個制度確實也出現了一些問題\n對 那有關於這個部分因為現在疫調還在調查過程中我不做任何的評論但是我們的目標就是找到可能的來源然後也藉由這個機會去了解我們過去在整個防疫的系統裡面有哪一些必須要改進的那我們要趁這個機會能夠改進了以後我想我們才能夠去抵擋下一波的一個問題\n好 那我們希望就是說要去檢討落實獸醫師的這個制度那另外就是說也讓這些獸醫師願意留在地方當然就是說剛剛部長有特別提到就是說我們有獸醫不開業的這個獎金那當然這個也是一個鼓勵讓他們留在這個場域裡面工作\n應該也要再去討論一下 到底這個跟畜牧場的這個合約 到底它的這個價格到底是合理或不合理我覺得這應該 制度應該也要再去檢討一下我們一起回來檢討 好不好 好 謝謝好 謝謝黃委員 謝謝部長 請回\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:01.423 --> 00:04.075\n謝謝主席我們先請彭部長再請彭部長\n\n00:08.580 --> 00:32.159\n黃國元好部長好部長從這幾天大家一直在關心就是說這個非洲豬瘟的事情那我也看到就是說昨天這個養豬就是工會這邊的這個不論是各縣市的工會養豬協會或者是全國聯合會他們也共同來立法院這邊來陳情\n\n00:33.920 --> 01:02.799\n那其中有一部分我想請教部長就是說我們既然目前雖然現在因為產生非洲豬瘟所以目前是全部禁止這個廚餘養豬那未來未來是不是有可能就是說到底這個廚餘是要繼續來養豬或者是要做其他的堆肥或者是這個豔陽發酵或是做其他的這種\n\n01:06.163 --> 01:20.701\n這個乾燥之後然後也可以再做其他的這個再利用所以我希望就是說部長針對這部分真的中央真的要好好去思考一下那既然就是說非洲豬瘟在台中這邊已經產生了\n\n01:21.101 --> 01:46.754\n那我覺得看到廚餘前幾天我看到那個台中市把廚餘全部倒到那個坑裡面其實大家覺得怎麼還是用這樣的方式去處理這個廚餘那之前我在當招委的時候跟那個我們有排到地方去看用黑水盲去處理廚餘那也另外一方面就是說我們廚餘也可以乾燥之後\n\n01:47.774 --> 02:06.890\n乾燥之後然後又可以當成飼料就是類似這樣的一個狀況那未來我不知道說環境部針對這一部分你們要怎麼去處理或怎麼去精進要不然如果說每天產生的廚餘這麼多那如果照現在這個狀況還是用掩埋的其實對整個環境是惡度傷害\n\n02:07.871 --> 02:30.686\n是不是請部長先回答這個關於這個黑水盲啊或是肥料或是各種的這個生殖能其實他我們現在其實其實我們在之前就有一些想法希望鼓勵這個這個產業可以發展起來解決我們的垃圾還有廚餘的問題所以的確我們現在兩個階段一個短期間內的短時間的去化第二個呢就是在這個15天或是未來\n\n02:31.286 --> 02:55.363\n如何去处理这个厨余我们的确是在思考已经在讨论密集的在讨论这个问题那不过因为我们现在都在忙这个去化短时间的所以那个可能要再一点点的时间但是也跟委员报告因为我们过去都是靠养猪然后来处理我们这个厨余所以它的成本是很低的那未来呢如果变成黑水盲或是说生殖能等等那个就会变成一个成本了\n\n02:55.683 --> 03:14.769\n所以這個社會的接受度或是整個社會的體系整個生態系有沒有辦法完成這個是我們現在也在評估的點另外就是說這些廚餘因為都湯湯水水有沒有可能先用脫水的方式先脫水方式然後先去處理或是先乾燥我不知道說你們未來要怎麼去處理\n\n03:15.789 --> 03:38.701\n所以我覺得說這個其實對整個環境我那天看到整個用掩埋的方式那都是湯湯水水那對我們的整個環境不會有二度傷害嗎對報告委員那個湯湯水水是不好所以我們一直在一開始就鼓勵各縣市環保局一起來鼓勵民眾能夠先立竿是先立竿來我們再副署長是\n\n03:39.741 --> 03:59.710\n跟委員報告我們補助各縣市的處理設施處理處理設施它在前面都有一個破碎拖水設備誠如委員講的這個灘灘水水太多對後面的堆毀效果是不好的所以我們有補助地方做破碎拖水設備我看到台中市政府\n\n04:00.885 --> 04:16.663\n一車一車的這樣往那個坑裡面倒我都覺得他到底有沒有先把這個湯湯水水的東西把它瀝乾我覺得後續可能你們要再去監測整個這幾個地方未來現在是一個垃圾坑未來可能會變成一個這個廚餘山\n\n04:19.727 --> 04:48.849\n那當然我剛剛有看到新聞就是說台中市政府有先進就是說再把廚餘再往那個坑裡面去倒那後續我覺得說應該環境部應該也可以去協調其他縣市如果他們還有餘裕的話那個處理廚餘還有能力的話是不是也要來協助其他縣市這個可以來一同處理現在目前最急迫的這個廚餘的這個問題是不是可以請環境部一起來協助\n\n04:49.650 --> 05:15.449\n好謝謝委員其實台中的這個事情其實從禮拜天我們一直關注到現在我特別因為他的堆肥跟掩埋他的方式比較不符合我們環境部在這一次定下的指引所以他們也從善如流遵照我們的意見在這兩天也做出改善昨天我們也派人去他的四個掩埋場去做他也進行了一個顯著的修正那我也特別請我們的環管署署長\n\n05:16.369 --> 05:30.687\n主動質疑環保局局長說如果台中需要幫忙的話我們環境部可以來協助是不是其他縣市可以調度雖然其他縣市壓力也很大但是我們發揮這個同島一命的精神協助來處理的確我們主動的有表達這樣的意思\n\n05:31.767 --> 05:52.497\n我們希望就是說環境部這邊應該要來協助另外就是說大家關心的就是說這個豬農他沒有上傳一些真主的一些照片或資料當時台中市政府說沒有罰則可是我們環境部說可以用廢清法去處罰所以我是覺得說\n\n05:54.358 --> 06:09.630\n如果確實他們沒有把這個資料上傳的話那真的是違法那有什麼樣的方式那如果說照台中市來講就是說這個沒有上傳也不違法那你要怎麼去後面後續再去精進\n\n06:11.171 --> 06:36.496\n當然就是說未來如果你還要再用廚餘去養豬的話就會有衍生這樣的問題那未來如果沒有廚餘再進到這個養豬場那就不會有類似這個狀況所以我希望就是說不論是環境部或者是農業部真的事情已經發生了那我們未來要怎麼去改進去精進我覺得這個是你們現在要去趕快去釐清的\n\n06:37.196 --> 06:51.608\n未來在這個11月7號好像11月7號就可以這個肉品市場就可以拍賣這個豬隻然後目前他們是這樣子說那如果是11月7號可以拍賣可以開始這個豬隻可以運載\n\n06:56.011 --> 07:19.383\n這個運來運去的話或者是拍賣的話那以後我們的傳統市場或者是我們的市場就可以再這個買到豬肉那我覺得說類似這樣的問題真的要趕快去解決另外我想請教那個農業部的這個部長就是說喂好\n\n07:20.080 --> 07:37.636\n部長我想請教就是說現在我們這個豬農他現在我們講就是說你剛講的不論是白豬黑豬都可以用廚餘來養豬那就是說要怎麼去防堵這個疫情的發生最主要就是要徵足\n\n07:38.737 --> 07:58.759\n可能就是說要珍珠可能要幾度然後要多少時間才會將這個病毒殺死那未來就是如果還要繼續廚餘養豬的話我不知道說你們到底會禁多久你們這個禁止廚餘養豬你們到底會禁多久\n\n08:00.600 --> 08:10.306\n先跟我們說明我們現在做兩樣錯誤就是禁運禁宅另外一個禁止廚餘養豬禁運禁宅會等到我們專家會確認乾淨的時候就會解開廚餘的部分\n\n08:15.089 --> 08:42.903\n还要多一道手续因为现在都没有办法进到养猪场里面去做检查所以除养猪的部分我们第一个要先确认他的所有的征主设备是属于安全的属于可以去做管理的刚才委员也特别强调落实征主还有落实我们的稽查这两个东西要扣在一起以后确定他不会再有这样的一个遗漏的时候我们才会再再度开放\n\n08:43.303 --> 09:06.474\n部长我想请教因为现在除了有弄养好几百头猪的好几千头猪的也有那一种几十头的可能十几头二十几头的这一种比较小场的这种养猪场你怎么去管理这些这么小的小场的这种养猪场有的才养十几头他原本就是用珍珠\n\n09:06.954 --> 09:31.143\n就是漆這個是廚餘嗎200頭我們現在就是廚餘不能養豬但是廚餘要養豬的時候有一些條件你才能夠用廚餘養豬就是200頭以上的然後你有蒸煮設備蒸煮設備要90度C一個小時的蒸煮你才能夠養豬那這個部分就在環境部的這個檢查那個蒸煮的條件有規範那未來如果說這種\n\n09:32.924 --> 10:01.659\n我相信部長你也知道有一些鄭咖鄭咖偉後院養的這個這個是我們是也會跟地方政府或是什麼去聯合稽查以前早期可能有現在比較沒有因為在家裡養豬鄉下地方其實現在也不像那麼空曠了所以只要有人養豬的時候那個豬叫聲或什麼很容易造成一些民眾的檢舉所以這種後院自己養豬的情況會已經比較少了但是我們也會落實這些稽查\n\n10:02.619 --> 10:19.370\n就是說鄉下地方可能比較空曠有的他還是會零星養豬那他有的就真的就是用廚餘去飼養所以類似這個狀況我們也希望就是說地方政府也要這個確實去稽查那不然其實這個也是一個破口\n\n10:20.030 --> 10:48.429\n對這個就是一個非常重要就是廚醫本身養豬不是壞事你只要落實我們的徵主條件落實我們的稽查那就沒什麼問題是好那部長我再請教就是說我們現在的這個獸醫的這個制度其實有很多新的這個畜牧場他可能在剛開始申請的時候他會有特醫的這個特約的獸醫師那也許特約一年或兩年好特約時間過了之後可能就沒有就這個獸醫師可能\n\n10:49.890 --> 11:10.548\n就特約就沒了嘛那這個也是一個破口這也會變成一個破口就是說原本這個養豬場他有特約可能為了就是說檢查或者是為了申請那這個時間過了之後沒這個特約的收益師那我們也看到就是說有的有特約他可能一年就是說給這個收益師幾千塊\n\n11:13.230 --> 11:41.542\n我不知道就是特約的這個費用這個費用真的很少那所以我覺得說這個部分未來我們環境部我們這個農業部要怎麼去處理這個受益師的這個區塊我想非常謝謝委員的提醒在這次疫調的過程在這次我們防疫的過程中我們也發現到類似這樣的一個現象那比較大廠的部分他有一個專業的受益師但是有一些中小廠的部分他用特約受益師他也不是每天來上班的方式\n\n11:43.874 --> 12:11.062\n久了以後可能每個豬農認為自己自己都可以當醫生了所以用到這個特別醫生可能會頻率少所以我覺得這個東西我們一定要重新建立一個很完整的一個機制包括特約收益師跟跟畜牧場的關係包括他的價格的合理化有沒有他的價格合理化我想這個東西我們在疫調的過程看到一些問題我們都把它記錄下來那也謝謝委員提醒我們這個部分我想在疫情比較稍緩的時候我們就會來做這樣的一個處理\n\n12:13.503 --> 12:34.835\n我們當然就是希望就是說這個疫情能夠得到控制那獸醫師其實一個非常重要我們也看到這個台中這個場獸醫師他到底有沒有到現場去看或者是直接用電話直接投藥或者是用什麼樣的方式所以就會讓人家覺得說那這個獸醫師的這個制度確實也出現了一些問題\n\n12:36.216 --> 12:57.571\n對那有關於這個部分因為現在疫調還在調查過程中我不做任何的評論但是我們的目標就是找到可能的來源然後也藉由這個機會去了解我們過去在整個防疫的系統裡面有哪一些必須要改進的那我們要趁這個機會能夠改進了以後我想我們才能夠去抵擋下一波的一個問題\n\n12:58.291 --> 13:16.990\n好那我們希望就是說要去檢討落實獸醫師的這個制度那另外就是說也讓這些獸醫師願意留在地方當然就是說剛剛部長有特別提到就是說我們有獸醫不開業的這個獎金那當然這個也是一個鼓勵讓他們留在這個場域裡面工作\n\n13:18.471 --> 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一) 行政院函請審議「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」案、( 二) 委員廖先翔等18 人擬具\n「職業安全衛生法第三十五條條文修正草案」案、(三)委員牛煦庭等18人擬具「職業安全衛生法\n第四十九條條文修正草案」案、(四)委員李昆澤等26人擬具「職業安全衛生法第三十九條及第四\n十九條條文修正草案」案、( 五) 委員魯明哲等16 人擬具「職業安全衛生法第四十條條文修正草\n案」案、(六)台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」案、(七)委員林淑芬等\n19人擬具「職業安全衛生法第四十三條條文修正草案」案、(八)委員楊曜等22人擬具「職業安全\n衛生法第六條條文修正草案」案、(九)委員李昆澤等27人擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草\n案」案、(十)委員黃秀芳等21人擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」案、(十一)委員翁曉\n玲等23人擬具「職業安全衛生法第三十五條、第三十九條及第四十九條條文修正草案」案、(十\n二)委員范雲等18人擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」案、(十三)委員劉建國等17人擬\n具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」案、(十四)委員吳琪銘等18人擬具「職業安全衛生法第\n六條條文修正草案」案、 ( 十五) 委員沈發惠等18 人擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」\n案、(十六)委員王育敏等19人擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」案、(十七)委員王育敏\n等25人擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」案、(十八)委員郭國文等17人擬具「職業安全\n衛生法部分條文修正草案」案、(十九)委員王鴻薇等19人擬具「職業安全衛生法第四條條文修正\n草案」案、(二十)委員郭昱晴等17人擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」案、(二十一)委\n員羅廷瑋等18人擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」案；三、審查(一)委員王正旭等23人\n擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」案、(二)委員吳沛憶等19人擬具「職業安全衛生法部\n分條文修正草案」案、(三)委員莊瑞雄等16人擬具「職業安全衛生法第九條條文修正草案」案、\n(四)委員林月琴等21人擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」案、(五)委員林淑芬等21人擬\n具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」案、(六)委員邱鎮軍等22人擬具「職業安全衛生法部分\n條文修正草案」案、(七)委員徐富癸等16人擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」案、(八)\n委員黃捷等16人擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」案、(九)委員蔡易餘等17人擬具「職\n業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」案、(十)委員陳亭妃等16人擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修\n正草案」案【逐條討論】","agenda_id":"1149002_00001"}}}