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00:02:30,213\n好所以台灣不像馬來西亞也沒有像日本可以去簽署相關的供應鏈的合作所以\n\n8\n00:02:31,397 --> 00:02:54,837\n部長我覺得我們現在大家都在全世界的稀土戰裡面台灣沒有相關的稀土而且呢我們還被中國管制出口我們有八個機構那大概主要是以國防為主還被管制那甚至在這次的川普的亞洲行他接到習近平有關的稀土我們甚至還擔心\n\n9\n00:02:56,218 --> 00:03:18,325\n美國會不會承諾來自中國的稀土不能夠賣給台灣這裡面包含這些武器所以部長我想請問一下有關於全球稀土戰開打請問一下我們政府有沒有相關的因應的策略\n\n10\n00:03:19,273 --> 00:03:42,487\n包委員我們第一時間大概有做了一些分析可能對我們的影響是怎麼樣那當然影響大不大如果分成兩個部分一個部分就是對於馬達磁鐵有用到的部分電動車這個當然會有影響對電動車產業有影響對我們半導體的製程基本上這一波是沒有的因為它管制項目裡面其中用到我們\n\n11\n00:03:43,287 --> 00:04:08,848\n半導體製程裡面比較是四跟藍那這個這一次是沒有管制的所以半導體目前沒有影響對影響比較小但是我們還是要做一些因應的做法那因應的做法大概有分成兩個部分一個部分就像您剛才提的國際供應鏈我們雖然是供應鏈的需求方但也是供應鏈的一環那現在不管是日本也好或是美國也好或是其他國家歐盟他們都有在討論將來的因應做法\n\n12\n00:04:11,630 --> 00:04:34,348\n那必要的時候我們可以跟他們有一致性的做法這是一個但是我們自己可能也要做一些準備啦好但我的意思說我們現在擔心的是擔心因為我們是需求方那比如美國美國可能先談自己啊就是中國大陸對他的稀土延後嘛那他如果變成說即便美國的也不能夠賣給台灣或者未來他跟歐洲談也不能賣給台灣那怎麼辦\n\n13\n00:04:39,365 --> 00:04:55,737\n所以我们自己也要自己准备我刚才讲配合国际的供应链我们自己准备我们现在希望透过循环性的回收这是一个那另外我们也会跟产稀土的国家已经开始有一些谈了就是说\n\n14\n00:04:56,977 --> 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等16人擬具「天然氣事業法第五十五條之一條文修正草案」案、(五)本\n院委員賴瑞隆等16人擬具「天然氣事業法第五十五條之一條文修正草案」案、(六)本院委員羅美\n玲等19人擬具「天然氣事業法第五十五條之一條文修正草案」案、(七)本院委員賴惠員等21人擬\n具「天然氣事業法第五十五條之一條文修正草案」案、(八)本院委員黃捷等22人擬具「天然氣事\n業法第五十五條之一條文修正草案」案、(九)本院委員陳亭妃等17人擬具「天然氣事業法第五十\n五條之一條文修正草案」案、(十)本院委員邱鎮軍等24人擬具「天然氣事業法第五十五條之一條文\n修正草案」案、(十一)本院委員吳沛憶等16人擬具「天然氣事業法第五十五條之一條文修正草案」\n案；三、審查：(一)行政院函請審議「自來水法第九十七條之一條文修正草案」案、(二)本院委\n員王美惠等19人擬具「自來水法第九十七條之一條文修正草案」案、(三)本院委員李坤城等18人\n擬具「自來水法第九十七條之一條文修正草案」案、(四)本院委員伍麗華 Saidhai Tahovecahe 等\n16人擬具「自來水法第九十七條之一條文修正草案」案、(五)本院委員賴瑞隆等16人擬具「自來\n水法第三條、第十六條之一及第九十七條之一條文修正草案」案、(六)本院委員羅美玲等19人擬\n具「自來水法第九十七條之一條文修正草案」案、(七)本院委員賴惠員等21人擬具「自來水法第\n九十七條之一條文修正草案」案、(八)本院委員黃捷等22人擬具「自來水法第九十七條之一條文\n修正草案」案、(九)本院委員陳亭妃等17人擬具「自來水法第九十七條之一條文修正草案」案、\n(十)本院委員吳沛憶等16人擬具「自來水法第九十七條之一條文修正草案」案（合併詢答）","agenda_id":"1148901_00007"}}}