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00:00:43,001\n這位好部長好因為今天主席安排了海嵐七法的一個審查那其中包括電液法天然氣施液法還有自來水法這三個法在我們經濟委員會裡頭審那我想說這是修法的重點主要要保護海底電力電纜那麼新增了一個刑罰的一個規範那我想說這草案當中的時候對於整個損害海嵐的管線者\n\n3\n00:00:45,142 --> 00:01:10,640\n沒有進行民事的一個追究那我們從那個聯合國的海洋法公約當中第11條當中很清楚的提到這個部分就是說只要是有這樣子對於整個海底電纜電力的一個這樣子的一個損害或通訊的一個損害的時候應該給予處罰那針對這個部分您認為我們這次修法當中沒有包含民事的部分進來的\n\n4\n00:01:11,901 --> 00:01:25,052\n這個部分的時候您認為適合嗎然後如果說直接追究刑事的時候那這樣子的損害變成還是由我們全民來買單嘛對不對這個部分可不可以請部長做一個簡單的說明\n\n5\n00:01:26,772 --> 00:01:43,428\n報告委員因為這個三個法是現在是刑法把它加進去那民事求償本來在民法裡面就可以我們就可以求償了對不需要再立法但是如果我們受到我們的業主受到損害我們本來就會要求民事的求償\n\n6\n00:01:43,908 --> 00:02:02,335\nOK所以說我們這次把刑罰罰加進來民事求償的部分就按照民法的部分去處理嗎好那這次修法有另外一個重點它是明訂整個犯罪用的工具傳播或其他的機械設備的沒收或者處置的一個規定對不對\n\n7\n00:02:03,115 --> 00:02:27,985\n那過去曾經有發生過那個稻採砂石的一個船舶被沒收之後拍賣那沒收之後拍賣的時候那疑似的那個原船東就找人頭過來買那買了之後對這樣的部分再把它給購回去針對這樣的部分的時候那部長對整個拍賣或者是我們變賣的條件是不是對於這個部分要有一個更嚴格的一個限制\n\n8\n00:02:29,933 --> 00:02:58,639\n這個可能後續的現行法例應該會有相關的規範來辦理對OK喔因為之前有很多新聞就直接提到這個適合定在電業法裡面是OK喔那這個部分說實話因為拍賣的時候他找其他的人頭變相來買我們要規範其實不是那麼容易因為他找了一個張三理事也許並不是很直接的一個關係所以你要去追究這部分確實不是那麼容易\n\n9\n00:02:58,959 --> 00:03:13,052\n可是我們希望針對這部分因為之前有很多媒體都報導過類似這樣的情況那我們希望能夠把它加以一個限制尤其是很多時候這樣的一個人頭去拍賣回來的部分還涉及跨國的一些行為\n\n10\n00:03:14,133 --> 00:03:36,412\n那另外一個部分就是今年七月份的時候美國國會提出一個台灣海裡電纜韌性倡議法案那針對這個部分美國他這邊有提到說美國跟台灣的海巡跟區域盟友進行聯合監控跟巡邏還有建立演訓情報共享還有共同偵查徵詢的這制度當中的時候他鼓勵\n\n11\n00:03:36,812 --> 00:04:01,716\n台灣要加深電纜的埋設還有使用更具韌性的一個材料那本席對於所謂的加深電纜埋設跟使用更具韌性的材料這個部分的時候我們台灣這邊準備要怎麼樣去因應對於這些離岸風電的業者的時候我們做了哪些的一個溝通然後能夠來維護我們整個國家的一個供電的安全\n\n12\n00:04:04,408 --> 00:04:26,576\n這個應該是指通訊電纜因為通訊電纜它通常是跨國性的會影響到全世界的這個網路跟它的通訊所以需要跨國來合作除了電訊之外的時候我想電力其實也是海嵐當中很重要的一個部分目前來講我們電纜的部分主要是澎湖跟台灣之間\n\n13\n00:04:28,717 --> 00:04:42,625\n所以我們自己可以目前來講自己可以處理還沒有到跨國性的部分除非將來我們那個電力的電纜是從國外拉進來那時候就需要跨國性的合作\n\n14\n00:04:43,697 --> 00:05:05,522\n好那針對這個部分的時候我想說既然有特別提到了說要加深電纜的一個埋設等等相關那個部分的時候那我們當然希望說能夠確保台灣就是整個海纜相對安全的部分那接下來我想問一個部分因為監察院在10月15號有做一個公佈他提出了一個針對一個無預警停電的一個狀態就是雖然\n\n15\n00:05:12,102 --> 00:05:28,863\n次数下降可是停的时间是微幅的一个上升那针对这个部分因为它是用配电系统的层级的无预警停电的部分那针对台电自己评估的状态的时候加户停电的时间是\n\n16\n00:05:30,204 --> 00:05:48,170\n監察院提出這個部分的大概三倍以上那針對這個部分我們花那麼多錢在強化就是韌性的一個部分可是平均停電的時間其實是增加的那針對這個部分的時候那個部長或者是王總經理這邊的時候有沒有什麼要特別說明的地方\n\n17\n00:05:50,258 --> 00:06:18,539\n因為整個的電力系統的那個分佈其實是分佈的很廣全台灣24個區處那這個地方的平均停電時間不減反增那主要就是說一些比較大型的事故發生所以它的整體的時間會稍微有點拉長那這個只是大數據的統計上有這樣子的一個是那這個部分因為整個經查院的報告當中其實提到了很多很多的細節其中提到一個就是我們變電所卡關\n\n18\n00:06:19,600 --> 00:06:36,398\n那我們原本要規劃要蓋23所便利店所對不對那現在有14所被延宕下來那這表示說我們在做地方的溝通當中顯然是有待加強啦所以針對這個部分的時候王總經理要怎麼去突破這個部分\n\n19\n00:06:36,838 --> 00:07:02,032\n所以刚才委员提到的就是为什么我停电时间拉长就是我本来是要多盖一些变电所把亏线分散让每一条亏线变少的用户数的服务那这个地方没有办法改善所以它就是一个事故点就会有更多的用户停电所以数字会拉长至于说遇到卡关你也知道现在是一个民主沟通的时代所以我们会尽量多做沟通\n\n20\n00:07:02,412 --> 00:07:27,125\n所以台電要更加強嘛好不好是加強溝通是OK然後另外一個部分本身這邊也看到一個數字其實很特殊的是因為交通部的一個錄音專案的時候讓我們在台電搶修的平均的耗時從原本的15分鐘拉長到3.5個小時增加了14倍針對這個部分的時候我想請教一下部長或者王總經理\n\n21\n00:07:28,286 --> 00:07:32,323\n交通部這邊有沒有什麼樣子的溝通的機制來解決這樣子的一個問題\n\n22\n00:07:34,644 --> 00:08:02,859\n因為我們的一些地下化之後的一些線路都到地下了所以遇到狀況故障的時候我需要把人口一個一個挖出來才知道會在哪一個地方因為以前沒有這樣的機制因為是交通部這個入坪專案之後產生這樣的影響那導致我們整個維修的時間大幅的增加那我們要怎麼去解決這個部分我覺得技術可以解決的部分希望王總經理跟工部長跟交通部這邊好好去溝通找到一個好的解決方案好不好\n\n23\n00:08:03,659 --> 00:08:27,600\n那我最後問一個點最後一個地方就是台電整個停電紀錄不安全因為桃園在112年的時候呢爆了310起停電事故那麼結果台電系統只登錄了210起最後確認有44起是台電漏燈的一個情況當然我們台電一直在講說智慧電網的一個情況現在連我們停電登錄\n\n24\n00:08:28,160 --> 00:08:34,588\n都還靠人工這邊在登錄而且還會漏燈這樣子對於我們智慧電網的推動不是一個很諷刺的一個狀態嗎\n\n25\n00:08:35,911 --> 00:08:57,577\n跟委員報告有一些漏燈可能就是很小的用戶譬如說只有一戶停電只有一戶停電或者是一個變壓器下面的某幾戶停電這種比較小的才會有這樣子一個狀況所以當我們在用智慧電網要解決這個問題的時候我們希望不要出現這狀態因為監察院的報告直接點出來針對桃園市他們110升電爆出來的狀態當中\n\n26\n00:08:59,818 --> 00:09:10,358\n有44筆漏燈的一個狀態我們希望這東西可以改善以現在的一個技術我覺得這些都不是問題好不好好我們盡量用科技的方式來解決OK謝謝\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n10220\t11821\t謝謝主席我想請經濟部工部長請部長\n19069\t43001\t這位好部長好因為今天主席安排了海嵐七法的一個審查那其中包括電液法天然氣施液法還有自來水法這三個法在我們經濟委員會裡頭審那我想說這是修法的重點主要要保護海底電力電纜那麼新增了一個刑罰的一個規範那我想說這草案當中的時候對於整個損害海嵐的管線者\n45142\t70640\t沒有進行民事的一個追究那我們從那個聯合國的海洋法公約當中第11條當中很清楚的提到這個部分就是說只要是有這樣子對於整個海底電纜電力的一個這樣子的一個損害或通訊的一個損害的時候應該給予處罰那針對這個部分您認為我們這次修法當中沒有包含民事的部分進來的\n71901\t85052\t這個部分的時候 您認為適合嗎然後如果說直接追究刑事的時候那這樣子的損害變成還是由我們全民來買單嘛 對不對這個部分可不可以請部長做一個簡單的說明\n86772\t103428\t報告委員因為這個三個法是現在是刑法把它加進去那民事求償本來在民法裡面就可以我們就可以求償了對不需要再立法但是如果我們受到我們的業主受到損害我們本來就會要求民事的求償\n103908\t122335\tOK 所以說我們這次把刑罰罰加進來民事求償的部分就按照民法的部分去處理嗎好 那這次修法有另外一個重點它是明訂整個犯罪用的工具傳播或其他的機械設備的沒收或者處置的一個規定 對不對\n123115\t147985\t那過去曾經有發生過那個稻採砂石的一個船舶被沒收之後拍賣那沒收之後拍賣的時候那疑似的那個原船東就找人頭過來買那買了之後對這樣的部分再把它給購回去針對這樣的部分的時候那部長對整個拍賣或者是我們變賣的條件是不是對於這個部分要有一個更嚴格的一個限制\n149933\t178639\t這個可能後續的現行法例應該會有相關的規範來辦理對OK喔因為之前有很多新聞就直接提到這個適合定在電業法裡面是OK喔那這個部分說實話因為拍賣的時候他找其他的人頭變相來買我們要規範其實不是那麼容易因為他找了一個張三理事也許並不是很直接的一個關係所以你要去追究這部分確實不是那麼容易\n178959\t193052\t可是我們希望針對這部分因為之前有很多媒體都報導過類似這樣的情況那我們希望能夠把它加以一個限制尤其是很多時候這樣的一個人頭去拍賣回來的部分還涉及跨國的一些行為\n194133\t216412\t那另外一個部分就是今年七月份的時候美國國會提出一個台灣海裡電纜韌性倡議法案那針對這個部分美國他這邊有提到說美國跟台灣的海巡跟區域盟友進行聯合監控跟巡邏還有建立演訓情報共享還有共同偵查徵詢的這制度當中的時候他鼓勵\n216812\t241716\t台灣要加深電纜的埋設還有使用更具韌性的一個材料那本席對於所謂的加深電纜埋設跟使用更具韌性的材料這個部分的時候我們台灣這邊準備要怎麼樣去因應對於這些離岸風電的業者的時候我們做了哪些的一個溝通然後能夠來維護我們整個國家的一個供電的安全\n244408\t266576\t這個應該是指通訊電纜因為通訊電纜它通常是跨國性的會影響到全世界的這個網路跟它的通訊所以需要跨國來合作除了電訊之外的時候我想電力其實也是海嵐當中很重要的一個部分目前來講我們電纜的部分主要是澎湖跟台灣之間\n268717\t282625\t所以我們自己可以目前來講自己可以處理還沒有到跨國性的部分除非將來我們那個電力的電纜是從國外拉進來那時候就需要跨國性的合作\n283697\t305522\t好那針對這個部分的時候我想說既然有特別提到了說要加深電纜的一個埋設等等相關那個部分的時候那我們當然希望說能夠確保台灣就是整個海纜相對安全的部分那接下來我想問一個部分因為監察院在10月15號有做一個公佈他提出了一個針對一個無預警停電的一個狀態就是雖然\n312102\t328863\t次数下降可是停的时间是微幅的一个上升那针对这个部分因为它是用配电系统的层级的无预警停电的部分那针对台电自己评估的状态的时候加户停电的时间是\n330204\t348170\t監察院提出這個部分的大概三倍以上那針對這個部分我們花那麼多錢在強化就是韌性的一個部分可是平均停電的時間其實是增加的那針對這個部分的時候那個部長或者是王總經理這邊的時候有沒有什麼要特別說明的地方\n350258\t378539\t因為整個的電力系統的那個分佈其實是分佈的很廣全台灣24個區處那這個地方的平均停電時間不減反增那主要就是說一些比較大型的事故發生所以它的整體的時間會稍微有點拉長那這個只是大數據的統計上有這樣子的一個是 那這個部分因為整個經查院的報告當中其實提到了很多很多的細節其中提到一個就是我們變電所卡關\n379600\t396398\t那我們原本要規劃要蓋23所便利店所對不對那現在有14所被延宕下來那這表示說我們在做地方的溝通當中顯然是有待加強啦所以針對這個部分的時候王總經理要怎麼去突破這個部分\n396838\t422032\t所以刚才委员提到的就是为什么我停电时间拉长就是我本来是要多盖一些变电所把亏线分散让每一条亏线变少的用户数的服务那这个地方没有办法改善所以它就是一个事故点就会有更多的用户停电所以数字会拉长至于说遇到卡关你也知道现在是一个民主沟通的时代所以我们会尽量多做沟通\n422412\t447125\t所以台電要更加強嘛 好不好是加強溝通 是OK 然後另外一個部分本身這邊也看到一個數字其實很特殊的是因為交通部的一個錄音專案的時候讓我們在台電搶修的平均的耗時從原本的15分鐘拉長到3.5個小時增加了14倍針對這個部分的時候我想請教一下部長或者王總經理\n448286\t452323\t交通部這邊有沒有什麼樣子的溝通的機制來解決這樣子的一個問題\n454644\t482859\t因為我們的一些地下化之後的一些線路都到地下了所以遇到狀況故障的時候我需要把人口一個一個挖出來才知道會在哪一個地方因為以前沒有這樣的機制因為是交通部這個入坪專案之後產生這樣的影響那導致我們整個維修的時間大幅的增加那我們要怎麼去解決這個部分我覺得技術可以解決的部分希望王總經理跟工部長跟交通部這邊好好去溝通找到一個好的解決方案好不好\n483659\t507600\t那我最後問一個點 最後一個地方就是台電整個停電紀錄不安全因為桃園在112年的時候呢爆了310起停電事故那麼結果台電系統只登錄了210起最後確認有44起是台電漏燈的一個情況當然我們台電一直在講說智慧電網的一個情況現在連我們停電登錄\n508160\t514588\t都還靠人工這邊在登錄而且還會漏燈這樣子對於我們智慧電網的推動不是一個很諷刺的一個狀態嗎\n515911\t537577\t跟委員報告有一些漏燈可能就是很小的用戶譬如說只有一戶停電只有一戶停電或者是一個變壓器下面的某幾戶停電這種比較小的才會有這樣子一個狀況所以當我們在用智慧電網要解決這個問題的時候我們希望不要出現這狀態因為監察院的報告直接點出來針對桃園市他們110升電爆出來的狀態當中\n539818\t550358\t有44筆漏燈的一個狀態我們希望這東西可以改善以現在的一個技術我覺得這些都不是問題好不好好 我們盡量用科技的方式來解決OK 謝謝\n","txt":"謝謝主席我想請經濟部工部長請部長\n這位好部長好因為今天主席安排了海嵐七法的一個審查那其中包括電液法天然氣施液法還有自來水法這三個法在我們經濟委員會裡頭審那我想說這是修法的重點主要要保護海底電力電纜那麼新增了一個刑罰的一個規範那我想說這草案當中的時候對於整個損害海嵐的管線者\n沒有進行民事的一個追究那我們從那個聯合國的海洋法公約當中第11條當中很清楚的提到這個部分就是說只要是有這樣子對於整個海底電纜電力的一個這樣子的一個損害或通訊的一個損害的時候應該給予處罰那針對這個部分您認為我們這次修法當中沒有包含民事的部分進來的\n這個部分的時候 您認為適合嗎然後如果說直接追究刑事的時候那這樣子的損害變成還是由我們全民來買單嘛 對不對這個部分可不可以請部長做一個簡單的說明\n報告委員因為這個三個法是現在是刑法把它加進去那民事求償本來在民法裡面就可以我們就可以求償了對不需要再立法但是如果我們受到我們的業主受到損害我們本來就會要求民事的求償\nOK 所以說我們這次把刑罰罰加進來民事求償的部分就按照民法的部分去處理嗎好 那這次修法有另外一個重點它是明訂整個犯罪用的工具傳播或其他的機械設備的沒收或者處置的一個規定 對不對\n那過去曾經有發生過那個稻採砂石的一個船舶被沒收之後拍賣那沒收之後拍賣的時候那疑似的那個原船東就找人頭過來買那買了之後對這樣的部分再把它給購回去針對這樣的部分的時候那部長對整個拍賣或者是我們變賣的條件是不是對於這個部分要有一個更嚴格的一個限制\n這個可能後續的現行法例應該會有相關的規範來辦理對OK喔因為之前有很多新聞就直接提到這個適合定在電業法裡面是OK喔那這個部分說實話因為拍賣的時候他找其他的人頭變相來買我們要規範其實不是那麼容易因為他找了一個張三理事也許並不是很直接的一個關係所以你要去追究這部分確實不是那麼容易\n可是我們希望針對這部分因為之前有很多媒體都報導過類似這樣的情況那我們希望能夠把它加以一個限制尤其是很多時候這樣的一個人頭去拍賣回來的部分還涉及跨國的一些行為\n那另外一個部分就是今年七月份的時候美國國會提出一個台灣海裡電纜韌性倡議法案那針對這個部分美國他這邊有提到說美國跟台灣的海巡跟區域盟友進行聯合監控跟巡邏還有建立演訓情報共享還有共同偵查徵詢的這制度當中的時候他鼓勵\n台灣要加深電纜的埋設還有使用更具韌性的一個材料那本席對於所謂的加深電纜埋設跟使用更具韌性的材料這個部分的時候我們台灣這邊準備要怎麼樣去因應對於這些離岸風電的業者的時候我們做了哪些的一個溝通然後能夠來維護我們整個國家的一個供電的安全\n這個應該是指通訊電纜因為通訊電纜它通常是跨國性的會影響到全世界的這個網路跟它的通訊所以需要跨國來合作除了電訊之外的時候我想電力其實也是海嵐當中很重要的一個部分目前來講我們電纜的部分主要是澎湖跟台灣之間\n所以我們自己可以目前來講自己可以處理還沒有到跨國性的部分除非將來我們那個電力的電纜是從國外拉進來那時候就需要跨國性的合作\n好那針對這個部分的時候我想說既然有特別提到了說要加深電纜的一個埋設等等相關那個部分的時候那我們當然希望說能夠確保台灣就是整個海纜相對安全的部分那接下來我想問一個部分因為監察院在10月15號有做一個公佈他提出了一個針對一個無預警停電的一個狀態就是雖然\n次数下降可是停的时间是微幅的一个上升那针对这个部分因为它是用配电系统的层级的无预警停电的部分那针对台电自己评估的状态的时候加户停电的时间是\n監察院提出這個部分的大概三倍以上那針對這個部分我們花那麼多錢在強化就是韌性的一個部分可是平均停電的時間其實是增加的那針對這個部分的時候那個部長或者是王總經理這邊的時候有沒有什麼要特別說明的地方\n因為整個的電力系統的那個分佈其實是分佈的很廣全台灣24個區處那這個地方的平均停電時間不減反增那主要就是說一些比較大型的事故發生所以它的整體的時間會稍微有點拉長那這個只是大數據的統計上有這樣子的一個是 那這個部分因為整個經查院的報告當中其實提到了很多很多的細節其中提到一個就是我們變電所卡關\n那我們原本要規劃要蓋23所便利店所對不對那現在有14所被延宕下來那這表示說我們在做地方的溝通當中顯然是有待加強啦所以針對這個部分的時候王總經理要怎麼去突破這個部分\n所以刚才委员提到的就是为什么我停电时间拉长就是我本来是要多盖一些变电所把亏线分散让每一条亏线变少的用户数的服务那这个地方没有办法改善所以它就是一个事故点就会有更多的用户停电所以数字会拉长至于说遇到卡关你也知道现在是一个民主沟通的时代所以我们会尽量多做沟通\n所以台電要更加強嘛 好不好是加強溝通 是OK 然後另外一個部分本身這邊也看到一個數字其實很特殊的是因為交通部的一個錄音專案的時候讓我們在台電搶修的平均的耗時從原本的15分鐘拉長到3.5個小時增加了14倍針對這個部分的時候我想請教一下部長或者王總經理\n交通部這邊有沒有什麼樣子的溝通的機制來解決這樣子的一個問題\n因為我們的一些地下化之後的一些線路都到地下了所以遇到狀況故障的時候我需要把人口一個一個挖出來才知道會在哪一個地方因為以前沒有這樣的機制因為是交通部這個入坪專案之後產生這樣的影響那導致我們整個維修的時間大幅的增加那我們要怎麼去解決這個部分我覺得技術可以解決的部分希望王總經理跟工部長跟交通部這邊好好去溝通找到一個好的解決方案好不好\n那我最後問一個點 最後一個地方就是台電整個停電紀錄不安全因為桃園在112年的時候呢爆了310起停電事故那麼結果台電系統只登錄了210起最後確認有44起是台電漏燈的一個情況當然我們台電一直在講說智慧電網的一個情況現在連我們停電登錄\n都還靠人工這邊在登錄而且還會漏燈這樣子對於我們智慧電網的推動不是一個很諷刺的一個狀態嗎\n跟委員報告有一些漏燈可能就是很小的用戶譬如說只有一戶停電只有一戶停電或者是一個變壓器下面的某幾戶停電這種比較小的才會有這樣子一個狀況所以當我們在用智慧電網要解決這個問題的時候我們希望不要出現這狀態因為監察院的報告直接點出來針對桃園市他們110升電爆出來的狀態當中\n有44筆漏燈的一個狀態我們希望這東西可以改善以現在的一個技術我覺得這些都不是問題好不好好 我們盡量用科技的方式來解決OK 謝謝\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:10.220 --> 00:11.821\n謝謝主席我想請經濟部工部長請部長\n\n00:19.069 --> 00:43.001\n這位好部長好因為今天主席安排了海嵐七法的一個審查那其中包括電液法天然氣施液法還有自來水法這三個法在我們經濟委員會裡頭審那我想說這是修法的重點主要要保護海底電力電纜那麼新增了一個刑罰的一個規範那我想說這草案當中的時候對於整個損害海嵐的管線者\n\n00:45.142 --> 01:10.640\n沒有進行民事的一個追究那我們從那個聯合國的海洋法公約當中第11條當中很清楚的提到這個部分就是說只要是有這樣子對於整個海底電纜電力的一個這樣子的一個損害或通訊的一個損害的時候應該給予處罰那針對這個部分您認為我們這次修法當中沒有包含民事的部分進來的\n\n01:11.901 --> 01:25.052\n這個部分的時候您認為適合嗎然後如果說直接追究刑事的時候那這樣子的損害變成還是由我們全民來買單嘛對不對這個部分可不可以請部長做一個簡單的說明\n\n01:26.772 --> 01:43.428\n報告委員因為這個三個法是現在是刑法把它加進去那民事求償本來在民法裡面就可以我們就可以求償了對不需要再立法但是如果我們受到我們的業主受到損害我們本來就會要求民事的求償\n\n01:43.908 --> 02:02.335\nOK所以說我們這次把刑罰罰加進來民事求償的部分就按照民法的部分去處理嗎好那這次修法有另外一個重點它是明訂整個犯罪用的工具傳播或其他的機械設備的沒收或者處置的一個規定對不對\n\n02:03.115 --> 02:27.985\n那過去曾經有發生過那個稻採砂石的一個船舶被沒收之後拍賣那沒收之後拍賣的時候那疑似的那個原船東就找人頭過來買那買了之後對這樣的部分再把它給購回去針對這樣的部分的時候那部長對整個拍賣或者是我們變賣的條件是不是對於這個部分要有一個更嚴格的一個限制\n\n02:29.933 --> 02:58.639\n這個可能後續的現行法例應該會有相關的規範來辦理對OK喔因為之前有很多新聞就直接提到這個適合定在電業法裡面是OK喔那這個部分說實話因為拍賣的時候他找其他的人頭變相來買我們要規範其實不是那麼容易因為他找了一個張三理事也許並不是很直接的一個關係所以你要去追究這部分確實不是那麼容易\n\n02:58.959 --> 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等16人擬具「天然氣事業法第五十五條之一條文修正草案」案、(五)本\n院委員賴瑞隆等16人擬具「天然氣事業法第五十五條之一條文修正草案」案、(六)本院委員羅美\n玲等19人擬具「天然氣事業法第五十五條之一條文修正草案」案、(七)本院委員賴惠員等21人擬\n具「天然氣事業法第五十五條之一條文修正草案」案、(八)本院委員黃捷等22人擬具「天然氣事\n業法第五十五條之一條文修正草案」案、(九)本院委員陳亭妃等17人擬具「天然氣事業法第五十\n五條之一條文修正草案」案、(十)本院委員邱鎮軍等24人擬具「天然氣事業法第五十五條之一條文\n修正草案」案、(十一)本院委員吳沛憶等16人擬具「天然氣事業法第五十五條之一條文修正草案」\n案；三、審查：(一)行政院函請審議「自來水法第九十七條之一條文修正草案」案、(二)本院委\n員王美惠等19人擬具「自來水法第九十七條之一條文修正草案」案、(三)本院委員李坤城等18人\n擬具「自來水法第九十七條之一條文修正草案」案、(四)本院委員伍麗華 Saidhai Tahovecahe 等\n16人擬具「自來水法第九十七條之一條文修正草案」案、(五)本院委員賴瑞隆等16人擬具「自來\n水法第三條、第十六條之一及第九十七條之一條文修正草案」案、(六)本院委員羅美玲等19人擬\n具「自來水法第九十七條之一條文修正草案」案、(七)本院委員賴惠員等21人擬具「自來水法第\n九十七條之一條文修正草案」案、(八)本院委員黃捷等22人擬具「自來水法第九十七條之一條文\n修正草案」案、(九)本院委員陳亭妃等17人擬具「自來水法第九十七條之一條文修正草案」案、\n(十)本院委員吳沛憶等16人擬具「自來水法第九十七條之一條文修正草案」案（合併詢答）","agenda_id":"1148901_00007"}}}