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00:02:13,990\n沒有什麼樣的可能性就是民間參與不會有促參的問題但是他們還是要我們補這個跟他講說不會發生OK好要講清楚這個蠻快的這個蠻快就可以告訴他們這個話要講清楚那我們希望中央要全力協助因為菊縣它還有往北我們希望延伸到清水還有我們希望從崇德那一邊延伸成一條紅線進豐原\n\n7\n00:02:16,152 --> 00:02:43,144\n那他往南是到霧峰也是屯區那甚至南投也希望能夠延伸到南投草屯之類那這個東西當然是要一步一步但是我希望的中央都能夠協助進度可以快一點有效率不要讓地方政府都認為說中央在卡地方部長這個你應該可以承諾答應中央從來不會去卡地方\n\n8\n00:02:43,424 --> 00:02:58,402\n好所以希望未來如果是我主政中央一定要盡全力來協助那我地方也會跟中央好好配合用最快的速度是那接下來我就要談今天的主題這個車站的一個安全管理問題我想\n\n9\n00:03:00,764 --> 00:03:25,416\n竹北台中火車站都有所謂的遊民的問題那遊民當然是需要好好的來處理而且必須跟地方政府社政單位好好的合作那這是一個問題那台北車站曾經爆發過這個砍人案那這個是一般的旅客某個男生持刀攻擊那這樣子的一個暴力事件\n\n10\n00:03:26,776 --> 00:03:55,688\n讓我們對車站的安全管理真的是有疑慮所以呢這不僅也是影響到旅客包括台鐵自己員工的安全這也就是今天為什麼找我要安排這一個專案報告也是希望部長跟我們台鐵在各個各地的一個車站的安全管理的部分可以再更加強那如何強化下一頁我想除了剛剛那兩個例子也曾經發生公然性侵酒醉\n\n11\n00:03:58,030 --> 00:04:20,469\n這樣子的一個不幸事件那包括我們基隆站曾經發生過站務員長期遭騷擾遭遊民騷擾那台鐵工會基於為自己的權益跟安全曾經提報甚至希望交通部台鐵這邊能夠加強如何強化管理那這個部分部長雖然我有看到你們的簡報就是你們的這個\n\n12\n00:04:25,174 --> 00:04:40,270\n這個會議的這個回應但是我還是希望你能夠再告訴我說我們如何的可以來預先防止甚至能夠周全的保護保障旅客跟我們台鐵員工的一個人身安全的問題\n\n13\n00:04:41,591 --> 00:05:08,886\n是報告員當然跟鐵路警察的合作我們當然要更密切啦那也一直拜託他們能夠協助那另外針對保全的人力我們也會開始來盤點我們現在保全的人力保全的制度是如何我們現在有保全的人力只有在台北車站有高雄車站很像也有高雄車站也有台北跟高雄其他都沒有對其他的目前是還沒來不然請董事長請董事長來回答\n\n14\n00:05:10,322 --> 00:05:37,417\n各位報告我們目前的保全是人力是很少的只有台北跟高雄還有另外一個寧若那邊有一個小車站屏東的寧若小車站因為沒有人沒有車站沒有人所以我們派了一個下午的時候還有一個保全在那邊出入所以這個保全我們幾乎是很少人那我們現在以台北站這一次有打算加強嗎有打算在\n\n15\n00:05:38,317 --> 00:06:06,084\n在跟保全公司簽合作簽契約在加強人力嗎有的我們在台北站就是這樣目前我們在11月以後我想我們先比台北站這個來做那其他的車站那麼人力這個旅客眾多的部分的話我們也會思考那是不是有增加這個保全人力董事長這樣子回答其實我不滿意不要用思考兩個字而是要好好的趕快進行評估\n\n16\n00:06:07,338 --> 00:06:11,634\n如何調整目前已經在盤點當中也在評估當中而且我覺得不應該只有臺北\n\n17\n00:06:14,093 --> 00:06:41,419\n台北車站當然是我們的首都是我們的門面人流量大但是其他車站的安全也很重要以台中車站來講我們地方反映很多次包括台中市的議員也在議會裡面希望地方政府的設政單位或者是警政單位可以跟我們車站合作台鐵合作好好的管理因為台中火車站這個大車站計畫\n\n18\n00:06:43,419 --> 00:06:49,941\n中央支持了我們蓋得這麼漂亮了但是呢圍管的人力嚴重不足啊\n\n19\n00:06:51,027 --> 00:07:14,602\n所以常常發生不管是由民皆有的亂象或者是我們剛剛講的安全的問題這是一個開放性的空間四面八方都有可能進來不確定因素不安全的份子那你跟我說我們有鐵路警察沒錯但是我剛剛聽到有其他委員在質詢這件事的時候\n\n20\n00:07:16,792 --> 00:07:38,710\n部長也說要跟內政部警政署那邊溝通他們的鐵路警察的人力編制也嚴重的不足那如果以我們正規的鐵路警察的人力編制不足那還要跟警政署討論那我們自己現在可以做的就是自己台鐵公司裡面如何在保全這個區塊來強化\n\n21\n00:07:42,899 --> 00:08:04,382\n我覺得這個不是只有台北需要台中也很需要那我們跟地方政府有沒有合作過台中我們也很熟悉但是管轄的範圍其實我覺得大家要稍微釐清一下在站體裡面當然就是台鐵公司這個沒有問題但是我們所看到的整個台中車站大部分的外圍的管理單位其實是台中市政府\n\n22\n00:08:04,522 --> 00:08:12,566\n包含環保的部分包含社政的部分包含治安的部分其實我們都會跟台中市政府你們現在有固定的一個聯繫會議來討論這件事嗎\n\n23\n00:08:16,684 --> 00:08:45,512\n台中站現在目前是沒有的是嘛我會建議兩項一項就剛剛董事長提到的保全人員的徵聘那保全公司的這個所謂的治安維護計畫的強化這個我覺得台鐵公司現在馬上就可以做得到而且希望不只是台北車站也不是只有高雄車站我希望像台中這個也是一級的大站\n\n24\n00:08:46,212 --> 00:08:57,124\n我覺得這是要盤點也一定要做的這第一個建議也希望部長你應該是OK承諾台鐵公司可以做嗎董事長有他們現在正在盤點到底要不要加入規劃我們來評估\n\n25\n00:09:02,093 --> 00:09:29,629\n拜託納入評估跟規劃好不好這第一件事第二件事情我建議我們台鐵公司主動是不是跟地方政府能夠有一個橫向的聯繫的一個專案也好小組也好會議也好就是要有一個機制我們自己車站站體內我們如何管理那站體外如部長所講的是屬於地方政府\n\n26\n00:09:30,029 --> 00:09:38,000\n我們又該跟社政環保相關的單位如何大家一起合作我們希望能夠在\n\n27\n00:09:39,980 --> 00:10:01,526\n安全人權的考量之下能夠解決跟改善好不好各位委員報告我剛才澄清一下台中車站這邊我們在每一個禮拜的禮拜一到禮拜五就清潔的部分我們就跟台中市政府有一個合作在討論清潔的部分\n\n28\n00:10:02,066 --> 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要講清楚這個蠻快的這個蠻快就可以告訴他們這個話要講清楚那我們希望中央要全力協助因為菊縣它還有往北我們希望延伸到清水還有我們希望從崇德那一邊延伸成一條紅線進豐原\n136152\t163144\t那他往南是到霧峰也是屯區那甚至南投也希望能夠延伸到南投草屯之類那這個東西當然是要一步一步但是我希望的中央都能夠協助進度可以快一點有效率不要讓地方政府都認為說中央在卡地方部長這個你應該可以承諾答應中央從來不會去卡地方\n163424\t178402\t好 所以希望未來如果是我主政中央一定要盡全力來協助那我地方也會跟中央好好配合用最快的速度是 那接下來我就要談今天的主題這個車站的一個安全管理問題我想\n180764\t205416\t竹北台中火車站都有所謂的遊民的問題那遊民當然是需要好好的來處理而且必須跟地方政府 社政單位好好的合作那這是一個問題那台北車站曾經爆發過這個砍人案那這個是一般的旅客某個男生持刀攻擊那這樣子的一個暴力事件\n206776\t235688\t讓我們對車站的安全管理真的是有疑慮所以呢這不僅也是影響到旅客包括台鐵自己員工的安全這也就是今天為什麼找我要安排這一個專案報告也是希望部長跟我們台鐵在各個各地的一個車站的安全管理的部分可以再更加強那如何強化下一頁我想除了剛剛那兩個例子也曾經發生公然性侵酒醉\n238030\t260469\t這樣子的一個不幸事件那包括我們基隆站曾經發生過站務員長期遭騷擾遭遊民騷擾那台鐵工會基於為自己的權益跟安全曾經提報甚至希望交通部台鐵這邊能夠加強如何強化管理那這個部分部長雖然我有看到你們的簡報就是你們的這個\n265174\t280270\t這個會議的這個回應但是我還是希望你能夠再告訴我說我們如何的可以來預先防止甚至能夠周全的保護保障旅客跟我們台鐵員工的一個人身安全的問題\n281591\t308886\t是 報告員當然跟鐵路警察的合作我們當然要更密切啦那也一直拜託他們能夠協助那另外針對保全的人力我們也會開始來盤點我們現在保全的人力保全的制度是如何我們現在有保全的人力只有在台北車站有高雄車站很像也有高雄車站也有台北跟高雄其他都沒有對 其他的目前是還沒來 不然請董事長請董事長來回答\n310322\t337417\t各位報告我們目前的保全是人力是很少的只有台北跟高雄還有另外一個寧若那邊有一個小車站 屏東的寧若小車站因為沒有人沒有車站沒有人所以我們派了一個下午的時候還有一個保全在那邊出入所以這個保全我們幾乎是很少人那我們現在以台北站這一次有打算加強嗎有打算在\n338317\t366084\t在跟保全公司簽合作簽契約在加強人力嗎有的我們在台北站就是這樣目前我們在11月以後我想我們先比台北站這個來做那其他的車站那麼人力這個旅客眾多的部分的話我們也會思考那是不是有增加這個保全人力董事長這樣子回答其實我不滿意不要用思考兩個字而是要好好的趕快進行評估\n367338\t371634\t如何調整目前已經在盤點當中也在評估當中而且我覺得不應該只有臺北\n374093\t401419\t台北車站當然是我們的首都是我們的門面人流量大但是其他車站的安全也很重要以台中車站來講我們地方反映很多次包括台中市的議員也在議會裡面希望地方政府的設政單位或者是警政單位可以跟我們車站合作台鐵合作好好的管理因為台中火車站這個大車站計畫\n403419\t409941\t中央支持了 我們蓋得這麼漂亮了但是呢 圍管的人力嚴重不足啊\n411027\t434602\t所以常常發生不管是由民皆有的亂象或者是我們剛剛講的安全的問題這是一個開放性的空間四面八方都有可能進來不確定因素不安全的份子那你跟我說我們有鐵路警察沒錯但是我剛剛聽到有其他委員在質詢這件事的時候\n436792\t458710\t部長也說要跟內政部警政署那邊溝通他們的鐵路警察的人力編制也嚴重的不足那如果以我們正規的鐵路警察的人力編制不足那還要跟警政署討論那我們自己現在可以做的就是自己台鐵公司裡面如何在保全這個區塊來強化\n462899\t484382\t我覺得這個不是只有台北需要台中也很需要那我們跟地方政府有沒有合作過台中我們也很熟悉但是管轄的範圍其實我覺得大家要稍微釐清一下在站體裡面當然就是台鐵公司這個沒有問題但是我們所看到的整個台中車站大部分的外圍的管理單位其實是台中市政府\n484522\t492566\t包含環保的部分包含社政的部分包含治安的部分其實我們都會跟台中市政府你們現在有固定的一個聯繫會議來討論這件事嗎\n496684\t525512\t台中站現在目前是沒有的是嘛 我會建議兩項一項就剛剛董事長提到的保全人員的徵聘那保全公司的這個所謂的治安維護計畫的強化這個我覺得台鐵公司現在馬上就可以做得到而且希望不只是台北車站也不是只有高雄車站我希望像台中這個也是一級的大站\n526212\t537124\t我覺得這是要盤點也一定要做的這第一個建議也希望部長你應該是OK承諾台鐵公司可以做嗎 董事長有 他們現在正在盤點到底要不要加入規劃我們來評估\n542093\t569629\t拜託納入評估跟規劃好不好這第一件事第二件事情我建議我們台鐵公司主動是不是跟地方政府能夠有一個橫向的聯繫的一個專案也好小組也好會議也好就是要有一個機制我們自己車站站體內我們如何管理那站體外如部長所講的是屬於地方政府\n570029\t578000\t我們又該跟社政環保相關的單位如何大家一起合作我們希望能夠在\n579980\t601526\t安全人權的考量之下能夠解決跟改善好不好各位委員報告我剛才澄清一下台中車站這邊我們在每一個禮拜的禮拜一到禮拜五就清潔的部分我們就跟台中市政府有一個合作在討論清潔的部分\n602066\t608571\t但是在這個遊民這一部分我們現在也臨時有必要的時候我們召開一個臨時會議那麼來處理這個問題我建議主動啦我覺得這個是一個很專業的問題他是一個社政單位的一個專業的一個問題希望能夠跟台鐵合作我們再強調一次在安全跟人權跟大家的權益的考量之下能夠找出一個方法\n631467\t652576\t來好好管理跟改善啦不然我常常聽到有跟我講說台中火車頭騎到這裡水是國際級的怎麼呢這個周遭的環境呢卻是讓人家覺得好像不符合一個國際城市該有的一個面貌我們會跟台中市政府加強聯繫好 所以再拜託好不好好 以上謝謝\n","txt":"好 謝謝洪門凱召委 我們請部長來 陳部長請\n部長好在進入今天的這個專案報告的主題之前我還是很關心這個未來台中市的一個大眾運輸系統那牽涉到的是當然最重要的是捷運那捷運現在綠線\n營運中藍線要動工那還有的是藍線要延伸到屯區太平那一段我記得在上一屆考察的時候上一個部長李孟彥李部長曾經承諾藍線延伸到屯區太平的這一段希望跟現行的藍線能夠並岸\n然後分階段施工這個部分我想部長也一定會支持因為我知道這個要先由台中市政府提出他的規劃那我記得台中市政府有提出我只是希望部長交通部這邊可以允諾能夠加快速度來協助第二個就是橘縣橘縣現在的進度如何\n局長局縣部裡面其實已經轉成到行政院那現在是在補一個促參的審查程序當中好那需要多久的時間以你的經驗這個不會很久因為促參審查目前這些軌道建設案子來看的話通常都沒有這樣子的一個可能性\n沒有什麼樣的可能性就是民間參與不會有促參的問題但是他們還是要我們補這個跟他講說不會發生OK 好 要講清楚這個蠻快的這個蠻快就可以告訴他們這個話要講清楚那我們希望中央要全力協助因為菊縣它還有往北我們希望延伸到清水還有我們希望從崇德那一邊延伸成一條紅線進豐原\n那他往南是到霧峰也是屯區那甚至南投也希望能夠延伸到南投草屯之類那這個東西當然是要一步一步但是我希望的中央都能夠協助進度可以快一點有效率不要讓地方政府都認為說中央在卡地方部長這個你應該可以承諾答應中央從來不會去卡地方\n好 所以希望未來如果是我主政中央一定要盡全力來協助那我地方也會跟中央好好配合用最快的速度是 那接下來我就要談今天的主題這個車站的一個安全管理問題我想\n竹北台中火車站都有所謂的遊民的問題那遊民當然是需要好好的來處理而且必須跟地方政府 社政單位好好的合作那這是一個問題那台北車站曾經爆發過這個砍人案那這個是一般的旅客某個男生持刀攻擊那這樣子的一個暴力事件\n讓我們對車站的安全管理真的是有疑慮所以呢這不僅也是影響到旅客包括台鐵自己員工的安全這也就是今天為什麼找我要安排這一個專案報告也是希望部長跟我們台鐵在各個各地的一個車站的安全管理的部分可以再更加強那如何強化下一頁我想除了剛剛那兩個例子也曾經發生公然性侵酒醉\n這樣子的一個不幸事件那包括我們基隆站曾經發生過站務員長期遭騷擾遭遊民騷擾那台鐵工會基於為自己的權益跟安全曾經提報甚至希望交通部台鐵這邊能夠加強如何強化管理那這個部分部長雖然我有看到你們的簡報就是你們的這個\n這個會議的這個回應但是我還是希望你能夠再告訴我說我們如何的可以來預先防止甚至能夠周全的保護保障旅客跟我們台鐵員工的一個人身安全的問題\n是 報告員當然跟鐵路警察的合作我們當然要更密切啦那也一直拜託他們能夠協助那另外針對保全的人力我們也會開始來盤點我們現在保全的人力保全的制度是如何我們現在有保全的人力只有在台北車站有高雄車站很像也有高雄車站也有台北跟高雄其他都沒有對 其他的目前是還沒來 不然請董事長請董事長來回答\n各位報告我們目前的保全是人力是很少的只有台北跟高雄還有另外一個寧若那邊有一個小車站 屏東的寧若小車站因為沒有人沒有車站沒有人所以我們派了一個下午的時候還有一個保全在那邊出入所以這個保全我們幾乎是很少人那我們現在以台北站這一次有打算加強嗎有打算在\n在跟保全公司簽合作簽契約在加強人力嗎有的我們在台北站就是這樣目前我們在11月以後我想我們先比台北站這個來做那其他的車站那麼人力這個旅客眾多的部分的話我們也會思考那是不是有增加這個保全人力董事長這樣子回答其實我不滿意不要用思考兩個字而是要好好的趕快進行評估\n如何調整目前已經在盤點當中也在評估當中而且我覺得不應該只有臺北\n台北車站當然是我們的首都是我們的門面人流量大但是其他車站的安全也很重要以台中車站來講我們地方反映很多次包括台中市的議員也在議會裡面希望地方政府的設政單位或者是警政單位可以跟我們車站合作台鐵合作好好的管理因為台中火車站這個大車站計畫\n中央支持了 我們蓋得這麼漂亮了但是呢 圍管的人力嚴重不足啊\n所以常常發生不管是由民皆有的亂象或者是我們剛剛講的安全的問題這是一個開放性的空間四面八方都有可能進來不確定因素不安全的份子那你跟我說我們有鐵路警察沒錯但是我剛剛聽到有其他委員在質詢這件事的時候\n部長也說要跟內政部警政署那邊溝通他們的鐵路警察的人力編制也嚴重的不足那如果以我們正規的鐵路警察的人力編制不足那還要跟警政署討論那我們自己現在可以做的就是自己台鐵公司裡面如何在保全這個區塊來強化\n我覺得這個不是只有台北需要台中也很需要那我們跟地方政府有沒有合作過台中我們也很熟悉但是管轄的範圍其實我覺得大家要稍微釐清一下在站體裡面當然就是台鐵公司這個沒有問題但是我們所看到的整個台中車站大部分的外圍的管理單位其實是台中市政府\n包含環保的部分包含社政的部分包含治安的部分其實我們都會跟台中市政府你們現在有固定的一個聯繫會議來討論這件事嗎\n台中站現在目前是沒有的是嘛 我會建議兩項一項就剛剛董事長提到的保全人員的徵聘那保全公司的這個所謂的治安維護計畫的強化這個我覺得台鐵公司現在馬上就可以做得到而且希望不只是台北車站也不是只有高雄車站我希望像台中這個也是一級的大站\n我覺得這是要盤點也一定要做的這第一個建議也希望部長你應該是OK承諾台鐵公司可以做嗎 董事長有 他們現在正在盤點到底要不要加入規劃我們來評估\n拜託納入評估跟規劃好不好這第一件事第二件事情我建議我們台鐵公司主動是不是跟地方政府能夠有一個橫向的聯繫的一個專案也好小組也好會議也好就是要有一個機制我們自己車站站體內我們如何管理那站體外如部長所講的是屬於地方政府\n我們又該跟社政環保相關的單位如何大家一起合作我們希望能夠在\n安全人權的考量之下能夠解決跟改善好不好各位委員報告我剛才澄清一下台中車站這邊我們在每一個禮拜的禮拜一到禮拜五就清潔的部分我們就跟台中市政府有一個合作在討論清潔的部分\n但是在這個遊民這一部分我們現在也臨時有必要的時候我們召開一個臨時會議那麼來處理這個問題我建議主動啦我覺得這個是一個很專業的問題他是一個社政單位的一個專業的一個問題希望能夠跟台鐵合作我們再強調一次在安全跟人權跟大家的權益的考量之下能夠找出一個方法\n來好好管理跟改善啦不然我常常聽到有跟我講說台中火車頭騎到這裡水是國際級的怎麼呢這個周遭的環境呢卻是讓人家覺得好像不符合一個國際城市該有的一個面貌我們會跟台中市政府加強聯繫好 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