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00:01:33,726\n但是呢其實大家一致的認為就是怎麼樣能夠降低廚餘去養豬的這樣的一個比例那其實如果看到從107年到現在來說老師說有關這一部分我們事實上是沒有作為的啦對不起我們把它看到\n\n5\n00:01:34,446 --> 00:01:56,183\n就是我們看一下一個資料就是今年家戶的廚餘再利用方式的一個趨勢圖最下面呢就是一個就是用廚餘來養豬的一個比例107年當時是60%沒有錯有逐年在降低但是到113年仍然有42.8%\n\n6\n00:01:58,044 --> 00:02:13,596\n也就是說這7年來其實我們在廚餘怎麼樣的再利用的部分這7年來是沒有作為我們從這個數字是可以看到的所以現在我們是暫時性的就是全面禁止廚餘養豬\n\n7\n00:02:17,039 --> 00:02:33,556\n當時的賴院長提到的就是很怕廚餘會流竄他說如果我們禁止廚餘養足那其他廚餘會流竄但是現在確實發生囉現在確實發生廚餘確實有在流竄那這兩天不是有屏東的這個畜牧場呢\n\n8\n00:02:34,657 --> 00:03:02,818\n把他載到這個換外縣市的廚餘就換外縣市廚餘現在變成大家用跨縣市因為如果本自己的縣市沒有辦法去處理那尤其你們現在講台中台中處理不好啊怎麼等等之類那現在可能他不是在第一線台中現在是在風口浪尖上其他的縣市你難保其他縣市的處理方式會比台中市更好啊所以現在恐怕就有全台流竄的問題\n\n9\n00:03:04,039 --> 00:03:12,798\n所以我想請教我先請教彭部長這種出於現在可能全台流竄的問題你們有沒有注意到然後如何的防範\n\n10\n00:03:13,724 --> 00:03:42,473\n包委員我們環境部跟各縣市的環保局有一個平台然後定期都會開會就這次的事情那當然台中這次它的量能它的垃圾量能處理各方面就不夠所以我們今天我也特別請我們昨天就請我們的署長希望我們也可以伸出援手協助他們調度是不是跟別的縣市一起來合作那因為這個廚藝處理現在有其他縣市答應跟台中市合作到目前為止因為台中並沒有提出它的需求\n\n11\n00:03:42,813 --> 00:04:07,632\n可是你不是说中央伸出援手吗我们也就是询问他嘛询问他要不要什么帮忙因为他的这个堆肥啊或是除那个掩埋的方式那部长你的评估啊你的评估现在不是只有台中禁止厨余养猪其他县制也禁止嘛云林乐师他七年前他就有禁止所以他做的比较好他已经还把他变成堆肥那他现在最近因为\n\n12\n00:04:08,493 --> 00:04:36,656\n又他本來有一些少量的廚餘他還可以賣到外面去但是現在呢又回流因為全線全台就在流竄啊所以他要去生產他那個堆肥的生產線因為他本來雲林是原來做別那他是因為他原來就在做可是其他縣市老實講我剛剛說因為我們現在是盯住台中但是不代表台中以外的縣市會做得比台中好您同不同意\n\n13\n00:04:37,637 --> 00:05:00,519\n同意但是我們現在都積極的跟他們在看目前是沒有問題的可是我剛才講就是已經發生屏東的畜牧場就開始混外縣市的廚餘現在大家就開始混所以我的意思就是說您剛講說中央伸出援手非常好所以現在變成可能需要跨縣市的來處理\n\n14\n00:05:02,180 --> 00:05:29,903\n但是你現在也沒有辦法我真的覺得以現階段你去問各縣市政府搞不好他不敢同意我過去我們在台北市後來我們才步入這位剛開始台北市因為當時焚化爐有一些餘裕可以去燒其他縣市的垃圾一開始台北市是反對說為什麼我們的焚化廠要去燒外縣市的垃圾呢可是慢慢大家也是慢慢可以接受說\n\n15\n00:05:30,903 --> 00:05:48,280\n其實這個台北市竟然文化廠是有餘裕的我們可以協助外縣市來處理垃圾那以現階段全部大家其實我相信所有的養豬大縣都應該面臨到說這些廚藝如何去化不是只有台中您同意吧\n\n16\n00:05:49,056 --> 00:05:51,779\n同意像台北市其實它的焚化爐餘裕還蠻多的但是它可以給各縣市的比例只有3%對可是我的意思說別說我們養豬大戶嘉義彰化還有台南高雄其實都屏東屏東最大\n\n17\n00:06:05,615 --> 00:06:23,505\n我認為他們現在也會面臨現通禁止廚餘我的廚餘到要怎麼處理所以我想請問到目前為止到目前為止作為跨縣市的廚餘的去化跟處理現在你們有沒有一套辦法\n\n18\n00:06:24,265 --> 00:06:46,650\n包委員有的現在其實我們每天都在監控甚至我們也跟有些縣市他的清運的方式有些呢因為過去是清運是養豬的業者清運現在未來有一天改變我們都在積極的在處理那目前短期間內我說短期間內針對這個最短期間是沒有問題的但是長時間我們還是希望說未來對針對廚藝有一個更好的方式來處理\n\n19\n00:06:47,450 --> 00:07:03,464\n因為我這邊我也請教陳部長我希望說現在因為一剛剛開始發生總是會比較亂一些我這個出於的去處理那長期而言其實我們所收到的訊息大家都認為\n\n20\n00:07:05,154 --> 00:07:27,774\n就是在這個時候大家都感受到廚餘會帶來這個整個的防疫上的困難所以在長時間還是應該去做全面的去禁止廚餘養豬那麼部長這邊可不可以往這個方向去做研議到現在為止你們沒有鬆口嗎\n\n21\n00:07:28,474 --> 00:07:54,901\n對我們第一個就是我們還是持續的去做廚餘轉型的部分那廚餘如果禁止我在這邊跟委員報告就是廚餘的大縣市第一個是新北跟屏東市有98場是最多的那再來就是桃園新竹縣台中市彰化縣這幾個都是養豬所以這幾個縣市你去問他們的時候他們就會有所保留但是以中央部會的立場來講\n\n22\n00:07:56,581 --> 00:08:16,213\n廚餘要養豬你一定要達到你要的一個必要的一個監管還有一個確保它的一個廚餘的安全但是我想我們跟環境部會講有沒有可能再把廚餘的養豬的這個再利用像剛才委員有講的把它變成工業化的飼料再來養豬那這個部分我們一定會積極的去做\n\n23\n00:08:17,216 --> 00:08:34,634\n我覺得這些工業化真的是必須的我認為雲林因為我覺得他做了七年我覺得雲林的這種做法其實是可以給其他因為雲林也是養豬牠的養豬頭數最多的嘛對不對對但是他全部用飼料他是全部用飼料他不用廚餘\n\n24\n00:08:35,735 --> 00:08:50,172\n是那但是他一定原來有廚餘嘛他現在還有廚餘啊對不對那他的處理我現在講的是我們如果能夠把廚餘把它處理好處理好那當然就有助於我們去推動全面的禁止廚餘養豬嘛\n\n25\n00:08:51,934 --> 00:09:18,994\n所以原理當他做了七年那七年我覺得可以到目前為止看起來他是成功的啊他是成功的我剛才講說他現在還變成說那因為他的廚藝又回流回來了所以呢他就增加他的堆肥的生產線像老實說連我自己我最近看了我家裡本來沒有廚藝機我決定要去買一台廚藝機了你知道嗎我就要推廣就說從家戶學校到餐廳\n\n26\n00:09:20,575 --> 00:09:46,770\n我覺得你們現在就可以推廣啊大家有這樣的認識大家有這樣意識到那當然你說那個院長講說大家把這個東西都吃下去什麼都在當然會被人家三小可是如果別說我今天家戶我做出來我就我今天我家戶就買一台廚藝機可以的話我學校也可以添置廚藝我覺得我們在其他的政策不管在尤其你的學校啦或者有一些重點的地方你給他\n\n27\n00:09:47,911 --> 00:10:04,921\n給他那個補貼也好或者給他一些什麼優惠也好這樣子來降低這個廚餘量大家一起做比部長在那邊我也知道你們現在一定都在加班嘛比你們坐在這邊可能會大家就是這種事應該是大家共同一起來\n\n28\n00:10:05,481 --> 00:10:27,755\n的一个工作所以也希望委员去跟大家宣传家里有厨余机是不错的我也跟各位委员报告厨余的堆肥的设施像云林是一个特别的个案当然有些县市连珍珠也是其实它很容易变成地方的林壁设施这个也希望大家能够来了解我认为时间我说你们三年只通过一家通过一家是合格的珍珠场\n\n29\n00:10:35,419 --> 00:10:56,633\n其他的就要靠這個養豬場一個一個去跟你通報所以我覺得你們其實來自於中央的真的還是有很多工作要做啦很多工作要做就是說我覺得七年前那個是錯失了一個時機雲林縣政府我現在回頭看我覺得雲林縣政府是那個\n\n30\n00:10:57,654 --> 00:11:13,956\n就是摒除所有的壓力去做那是很好的而漁林縣政府現在已經做出一個時機給大家看因為他的養豬戶數也很多那我也不相信他的廚藝會比別人個人的製造量我也不相信他會比其他縣市少那他怎麼做到的\n\n31\n00:11:14,537 --> 00:11:31,712\n對不對雲林可以做到那我相信其他縣市也都慢慢可以做到現在是起步嘛萬事起頭難好不好所以我還是在這邊還是正式的我們還是會推動全面禁止廚餘來養豬啊這才是一勞永逸的方式\n\n32\n00:11:31,912 --> 00:11:47,868\n不過我也提醒委員就是說我們也必須感謝很多的養豬業者幫我們去化這種廚餘不然這廚餘量很大那如果很多的餐廳這個廚餘量無法去化的話其實它未來都會變成是一個成本在那個地方那樣的對於社會的影響也必須考慮在裡面\n\n33\n00:11:48,208 --> 00:12:16,554\n我知道如果那麼容易啊如果那麼容易當時張立善一說我禁止全面禁止廚餘養豬那其他縣市通通都應該跟進啊對不對很多事情容易的事情好容易的事情大家都會去做就是不容易嘛好不好但是我覺得今天竟然發生這樣的事件而且大家就全部都得認知都是跟廚餘是有絕對的關係的時候我覺得可以做就去推動好不好好謝謝\n\n34\n00:12:20,363 --> 00:12:20,846\n謝謝黃委員的發言\n\n","tsv":"start\tend\ttext\n380\t14894\t請王宏威委員質詢他有在中間謝謝主席那我請兩位部長環境部部長跟我們農業部部長\n19403\t34150\t委員好兩位部長好 辛苦因為現在的防疫確實都急如新火大家非常關心的就是到底要不要全面禁止用廚餘來養豬最近討論很多之前大家討論過2018年的時候當時的張立善縣長 余玲縣長\n43654\t72754\t獨排眾議當時他的其實他的壓力非常非常大來自於中央不支持而且呢其實這個豬農也未必支持因為認為這個成本提高當時他讓雲林縣全面禁止廚餘來養豬現在事後證明他是對的那麼當時我們的賴總統是院長他打臉張立善而且他說這是影響這個豬瘟的防疫工作\n73474\t93726\t但是呢其實大家一致的認為就是怎麼樣能夠降低廚餘去養豬的這樣的一個比例那其實如果看到從107年到現在來說老師說有關這一部分我們事實上是沒有作為的啦對不起我們把它看到\n94446\t116183\t就是我們看一下一個資料就是今年家戶的廚餘再利用方式的一個趨勢圖最下面呢就是一個就是用廚餘來養豬的一個比例107年當時是60%沒有錯有逐年在降低但是到113年仍然有42.8%\n118044\t133596\t也就是說這7年來其實我們在廚餘怎麼樣的再利用的部分這7年來是沒有作為我們從這個數字是可以看到的所以現在我們是暫時性的就是全面禁止廚餘養豬\n137039\t153556\t當時的賴院長提到的就是很怕廚餘會流竄他說如果我們禁止廚餘養足那其他廚餘會流竄但是現在確實發生囉現在確實發生廚餘確實有在流竄那這兩天不是有屏東的這個畜牧場呢\n154657\t182818\t把他載到這個換外縣市的廚餘就換外縣市廚餘現在變成大家用跨縣市因為如果本自己的縣市沒有辦法去處理那尤其你們現在講台中台中處理不好啊怎麼等等之類那現在可能他不是在第一線台中現在是在風口浪尖上其他的縣市你難保其他縣市的處理方式會比台中市更好啊所以現在恐怕就有全台流竄的問題\n184039\t192798\t所以我想請教 我先請教彭部長這種出於現在可能全台流竄的問題你們有沒有注意到 然後如何的防範\n193724\t222473\t包委員 我們環境部跟各縣市的環保局有一個平台然後定期都會開會就這次的事情那當然台中這次它的量能它的垃圾量能處理各方面就不夠所以我們今天我也特別請我們昨天就請我們的署長希望我們也可以伸出援手協助他們調度是不是跟別的縣市一起來合作那因為這個廚藝處理現在有其他縣市答應跟台中市合作到目前為止因為台中並沒有提出它的需求\n222813\t247632\t可是你不是说中央伸出援手吗我们也就是询问他嘛询问他要不要什么帮忙因为他的这个堆肥啊或是除那个掩埋的方式那部长你的评估啊你的评估现在不是只有台中禁止厨余养猪其他县制也禁止嘛云林乐师他七年前他就有禁止所以他做的比较好他已经还把他变成堆肥那他现在最近因为\n248493\t276656\t又他本來有一些少量的廚餘他還可以賣到外面去但是現在呢又回流因為全線全台就在流竄啊所以他要去生產他那個堆肥的生產線因為他本來雲林是原來做別那他是因為他原來就在做可是其他縣市老實講我剛剛說因為我們現在是盯住台中但是不代表台中以外的縣市會做得比台中好您同不同意\n277637\t300519\t同意但是我們現在都積極的跟他們在看目前是沒有問題的可是我剛才講就是已經發生屏東的畜牧場就開始混外縣市的廚餘現在大家就開始混所以我的意思就是說您剛講說中央伸出援手非常好所以現在變成可能需要跨縣市的來處理\n302180\t329903\t但是你現在也沒有辦法我真的覺得以現階段你去問各縣市政府搞不好他不敢同意我過去我們在台北市後來我們才步入這位剛開始台北市因為當時焚化爐有一些餘裕可以去燒其他縣市的垃圾一開始台北市是反對說為什麼我們的焚化廠要去燒外縣市的垃圾呢可是慢慢大家也是慢慢可以接受說\n330903\t348280\t其實這個台北市竟然文化廠是有餘裕的我們可以協助外縣市來處理垃圾那以現階段全部大家其實我相信所有的養豬大縣都應該面臨到說這些廚藝如何去化不是只有台中 您同意吧\n349056\t351779\t同意 像台北市其實它的焚化爐餘裕還蠻多的但是它可以給各縣市的比例只有3%對 可是我的意思說別說我們養豬大戶嘉義 彰化 還有台南 高雄其實都 屏東 屏東最大\n365615\t383505\t我認為他們現在也會面臨現通禁止廚餘我的廚餘到要怎麼處理所以我想請問到目前為止到目前為止作為跨縣市的廚餘的去化跟處理現在你們有沒有一套辦法\n384265\t406650\t包委員有的 現在其實我們每天都在監控 甚至我們也跟有些縣市他的清運的方式有些呢因為過去是清運是養豬的業者清運現在未來有一天改變 我們都在積極的在處理那目前短期間內我說短期間內針對這個最短期間是沒有問題的但是長時間我們還是希望說未來對針對廚藝有一個更好的方式來處理\n407450\t423464\t因為我這邊我也請教陳部長我希望說現在因為一剛剛開始發生總是會比較亂一些我這個出於的去處理那長期而言其實我們所收到的訊息大家都認為\n425154\t447774\t就是在這個時候大家都感受到廚餘會帶來這個整個的防疫上的困難所以在長時間還是應該去做全面的去禁止廚餘養豬那麼部長這邊可不可以往這個方向去做研議到現在為止你們沒有鬆口嗎\n448474\t474901\t對我們第一個就是我們還是持續的去做廚餘轉型的部分那廚餘如果禁止我在這邊跟委員報告就是廚餘的大縣市第一個是新北跟屏東市有98場是最多的那再來就是桃園新竹縣台中市彰化縣這幾個都是養豬所以這幾個縣市你去問他們的時候他們就會有所保留但是以中央部會的立場來講\n476581\t496213\t廚餘要養豬你一定要達到你要的一個必要的一個監管還有一個確保它的一個廚餘的安全但是我想我們跟環境部會講有沒有可能再把廚餘的養豬的這個再利用像剛才委員有講的把它變成工業化的飼料再來養豬那這個部分我們一定會積極的去做\n497216\t514634\t我覺得這些工業化真的是必須的我認為雲林 因為我覺得他做了七年我覺得雲林的這種做法其實是可以給其他 因為雲林也是養豬牠的養豬頭數最多的嘛 對不對對 但是他全部用飼料 他是全部用飼料 他不用廚餘\n515735\t530172\t是那但是他一定原來有廚餘嘛他現在還有廚餘啊對不對那他的處理我現在講的是我們如果能夠把廚餘把它處理好處理好那當然就有助於我們去推動全面的禁止廚餘養豬嘛\n531934\t558994\t所以原理當他做了七年那七年我覺得可以到目前為止看起來他是成功的啊他是成功的我剛才講說他現在還變成說那因為他的廚藝又回流回來了所以呢他就增加他的堆肥的生產線像老實說連我自己我最近看了我家裡本來沒有廚藝機我決定要去買一台廚藝機了你知道嗎我就要推廣就說從家戶學校到餐廳\n560575\t586770\t我覺得你們現在就可以推廣啊大家有這樣的認識大家有這樣意識到那當然你說那個院長講說大家把這個東西都吃下去什麼都在當然會被人家三小可是如果別說我今天家戶我做出來我就我今天我家戶就買一台廚藝機可以的話我學校也可以添置廚藝我覺得我們在其他的政策不管在尤其你的學校啦或者有一些重點的地方你給他\n587911\t604921\t給他那個補貼也好或者給他一些什麼優惠也好這樣子來降低這個廚餘量大家一起做比部長在那邊我也知道你們現在一定都在加班嘛比你們坐在這邊可能會大家就是這種事應該是大家共同一起來\n605481\t627755\t的一个工作所以也希望委员去跟大家宣传家里有厨余机是不错的我也跟各位委员报告厨余的堆肥的设施像云林是一个特别的个案当然有些县市连珍珠也是其实它很容易变成地方的林壁设施这个也希望大家能够来了解我认为时间我说你们三年只通过一家通过一家是合格的珍珠场\n635419\t656633\t其他的就要靠這個養豬場一個一個去跟你通報所以我覺得你們其實來自於中央的真的還是有很多工作要做啦很多工作要做就是說我覺得七年前那個是錯失了一個時機雲林縣政府我現在回頭看我覺得雲林縣政府是那個\n657654\t673956\t就是摒除所有的壓力去做那是很好的而漁林縣政府現在已經做出一個時機給大家看因為他的養豬戶數也很多那我也不相信他的廚藝會比別人個人的製造量我也不相信他會比其他縣市少那他怎麼做到的\n674537\t691712\t對不對雲林可以做到那我相信其他縣市也都慢慢可以做到現在是起步嘛萬事起頭難好不好所以我還是在這邊還是正式的我們還是會推動全面禁止廚餘來養豬啊這才是一勞永逸的方式\n691912\t707868\t不過我也提醒委員就是說我們也必須感謝很多的養豬業者幫我們去化這種廚餘不然這廚餘量很大那如果很多的餐廳這個廚餘量無法去化的話其實它未來都會變成是一個成本在那個地方那樣的對於社會的影響也必須考慮在裡面\n708208\t736554\t我知道如果那麼容易啊如果那麼容易當時張立善一說我禁止全面禁止廚餘養豬那其他縣市通通都應該跟進啊對不對很多事情容易的事情好容易的事情大家都會去做就是不容易嘛好不好但是我覺得今天竟然發生這樣的事件而且大家就全部都得認知都是跟廚餘是有絕對的關係的時候我覺得可以做就去推動好不好好謝謝\n740363\t740846\t謝謝黃委員的發言\n","txt":"請王宏威委員質詢他有在中間謝謝主席那我請兩位部長環境部部長跟我們農業部部長\n委員好兩位部長好 辛苦因為現在的防疫確實都急如新火大家非常關心的就是到底要不要全面禁止用廚餘來養豬最近討論很多之前大家討論過2018年的時候當時的張立善縣長 余玲縣長\n獨排眾議當時他的其實他的壓力非常非常大來自於中央不支持而且呢其實這個豬農也未必支持因為認為這個成本提高當時他讓雲林縣全面禁止廚餘來養豬現在事後證明他是對的那麼當時我們的賴總統是院長他打臉張立善而且他說這是影響這個豬瘟的防疫工作\n但是呢其實大家一致的認為就是怎麼樣能夠降低廚餘去養豬的這樣的一個比例那其實如果看到從107年到現在來說老師說有關這一部分我們事實上是沒有作為的啦對不起我們把它看到\n就是我們看一下一個資料就是今年家戶的廚餘再利用方式的一個趨勢圖最下面呢就是一個就是用廚餘來養豬的一個比例107年當時是60%沒有錯有逐年在降低但是到113年仍然有42.8%\n也就是說這7年來其實我們在廚餘怎麼樣的再利用的部分這7年來是沒有作為我們從這個數字是可以看到的所以現在我們是暫時性的就是全面禁止廚餘養豬\n當時的賴院長提到的就是很怕廚餘會流竄他說如果我們禁止廚餘養足那其他廚餘會流竄但是現在確實發生囉現在確實發生廚餘確實有在流竄那這兩天不是有屏東的這個畜牧場呢\n把他載到這個換外縣市的廚餘就換外縣市廚餘現在變成大家用跨縣市因為如果本自己的縣市沒有辦法去處理那尤其你們現在講台中台中處理不好啊怎麼等等之類那現在可能他不是在第一線台中現在是在風口浪尖上其他的縣市你難保其他縣市的處理方式會比台中市更好啊所以現在恐怕就有全台流竄的問題\n所以我想請教 我先請教彭部長這種出於現在可能全台流竄的問題你們有沒有注意到 然後如何的防範\n包委員 我們環境部跟各縣市的環保局有一個平台然後定期都會開會就這次的事情那當然台中這次它的量能它的垃圾量能處理各方面就不夠所以我們今天我也特別請我們昨天就請我們的署長希望我們也可以伸出援手協助他們調度是不是跟別的縣市一起來合作那因為這個廚藝處理現在有其他縣市答應跟台中市合作到目前為止因為台中並沒有提出它的需求\n可是你不是说中央伸出援手吗我们也就是询问他嘛询问他要不要什么帮忙因为他的这个堆肥啊或是除那个掩埋的方式那部长你的评估啊你的评估现在不是只有台中禁止厨余养猪其他县制也禁止嘛云林乐师他七年前他就有禁止所以他做的比较好他已经还把他变成堆肥那他现在最近因为\n又他本來有一些少量的廚餘他還可以賣到外面去但是現在呢又回流因為全線全台就在流竄啊所以他要去生產他那個堆肥的生產線因為他本來雲林是原來做別那他是因為他原來就在做可是其他縣市老實講我剛剛說因為我們現在是盯住台中但是不代表台中以外的縣市會做得比台中好您同不同意\n同意但是我們現在都積極的跟他們在看目前是沒有問題的可是我剛才講就是已經發生屏東的畜牧場就開始混外縣市的廚餘現在大家就開始混所以我的意思就是說您剛講說中央伸出援手非常好所以現在變成可能需要跨縣市的來處理\n但是你現在也沒有辦法我真的覺得以現階段你去問各縣市政府搞不好他不敢同意我過去我們在台北市後來我們才步入這位剛開始台北市因為當時焚化爐有一些餘裕可以去燒其他縣市的垃圾一開始台北市是反對說為什麼我們的焚化廠要去燒外縣市的垃圾呢可是慢慢大家也是慢慢可以接受說\n其實這個台北市竟然文化廠是有餘裕的我們可以協助外縣市來處理垃圾那以現階段全部大家其實我相信所有的養豬大縣都應該面臨到說這些廚藝如何去化不是只有台中 您同意吧\n同意 像台北市其實它的焚化爐餘裕還蠻多的但是它可以給各縣市的比例只有3%對 可是我的意思說別說我們養豬大戶嘉義 彰化 還有台南 高雄其實都 屏東 屏東最大\n我認為他們現在也會面臨現通禁止廚餘我的廚餘到要怎麼處理所以我想請問到目前為止到目前為止作為跨縣市的廚餘的去化跟處理現在你們有沒有一套辦法\n包委員有的 現在其實我們每天都在監控 甚至我們也跟有些縣市他的清運的方式有些呢因為過去是清運是養豬的業者清運現在未來有一天改變 我們都在積極的在處理那目前短期間內我說短期間內針對這個最短期間是沒有問題的但是長時間我們還是希望說未來對針對廚藝有一個更好的方式來處理\n因為我這邊我也請教陳部長我希望說現在因為一剛剛開始發生總是會比較亂一些我這個出於的去處理那長期而言其實我們所收到的訊息大家都認為\n就是在這個時候大家都感受到廚餘會帶來這個整個的防疫上的困難所以在長時間還是應該去做全面的去禁止廚餘養豬那麼部長這邊可不可以往這個方向去做研議到現在為止你們沒有鬆口嗎\n對我們第一個就是我們還是持續的去做廚餘轉型的部分那廚餘如果禁止我在這邊跟委員報告就是廚餘的大縣市第一個是新北跟屏東市有98場是最多的那再來就是桃園新竹縣台中市彰化縣這幾個都是養豬所以這幾個縣市你去問他們的時候他們就會有所保留但是以中央部會的立場來講\n廚餘要養豬你一定要達到你要的一個必要的一個監管還有一個確保它的一個廚餘的安全但是我想我們跟環境部會講有沒有可能再把廚餘的養豬的這個再利用像剛才委員有講的把它變成工業化的飼料再來養豬那這個部分我們一定會積極的去做\n我覺得這些工業化真的是必須的我認為雲林 因為我覺得他做了七年我覺得雲林的這種做法其實是可以給其他 因為雲林也是養豬牠的養豬頭數最多的嘛 對不對對 但是他全部用飼料 他是全部用飼料 他不用廚餘\n是那但是他一定原來有廚餘嘛他現在還有廚餘啊對不對那他的處理我現在講的是我們如果能夠把廚餘把它處理好處理好那當然就有助於我們去推動全面的禁止廚餘養豬嘛\n所以原理當他做了七年那七年我覺得可以到目前為止看起來他是成功的啊他是成功的我剛才講說他現在還變成說那因為他的廚藝又回流回來了所以呢他就增加他的堆肥的生產線像老實說連我自己我最近看了我家裡本來沒有廚藝機我決定要去買一台廚藝機了你知道嗎我就要推廣就說從家戶學校到餐廳\n我覺得你們現在就可以推廣啊大家有這樣的認識大家有這樣意識到那當然你說那個院長講說大家把這個東西都吃下去什麼都在當然會被人家三小可是如果別說我今天家戶我做出來我就我今天我家戶就買一台廚藝機可以的話我學校也可以添置廚藝我覺得我們在其他的政策不管在尤其你的學校啦或者有一些重點的地方你給他\n給他那個補貼也好或者給他一些什麼優惠也好這樣子來降低這個廚餘量大家一起做比部長在那邊我也知道你們現在一定都在加班嘛比你們坐在這邊可能會大家就是這種事應該是大家共同一起來\n的一个工作所以也希望委员去跟大家宣传家里有厨余机是不错的我也跟各位委员报告厨余的堆肥的设施像云林是一个特别的个案当然有些县市连珍珠也是其实它很容易变成地方的林壁设施这个也希望大家能够来了解我认为时间我说你们三年只通过一家通过一家是合格的珍珠场\n其他的就要靠這個養豬場一個一個去跟你通報所以我覺得你們其實來自於中央的真的還是有很多工作要做啦很多工作要做就是說我覺得七年前那個是錯失了一個時機雲林縣政府我現在回頭看我覺得雲林縣政府是那個\n就是摒除所有的壓力去做那是很好的而漁林縣政府現在已經做出一個時機給大家看因為他的養豬戶數也很多那我也不相信他的廚藝會比別人個人的製造量我也不相信他會比其他縣市少那他怎麼做到的\n對不對雲林可以做到那我相信其他縣市也都慢慢可以做到現在是起步嘛萬事起頭難好不好所以我還是在這邊還是正式的我們還是會推動全面禁止廚餘來養豬啊這才是一勞永逸的方式\n不過我也提醒委員就是說我們也必須感謝很多的養豬業者幫我們去化這種廚餘不然這廚餘量很大那如果很多的餐廳這個廚餘量無法去化的話其實它未來都會變成是一個成本在那個地方那樣的對於社會的影響也必須考慮在裡面\n我知道如果那麼容易啊如果那麼容易當時張立善一說我禁止全面禁止廚餘養豬那其他縣市通通都應該跟進啊對不對很多事情容易的事情好容易的事情大家都會去做就是不容易嘛好不好但是我覺得今天竟然發生這樣的事件而且大家就全部都得認知都是跟廚餘是有絕對的關係的時候我覺得可以做就去推動好不好好謝謝\n謝謝黃委員的發言\n","vtt":"WEBVTT\n\n00:00.380 --> 00:14.894\n請王宏威委員質詢他有在中間謝謝主席那我請兩位部長環境部部長跟我們農業部部長\n\n00:19.403 --> 00:34.150\n委員好兩位部長好辛苦因為現在的防疫確實都急如新火大家非常關心的就是到底要不要全面禁止用廚餘來養豬最近討論很多之前大家討論過2018年的時候當時的張立善縣長余玲縣長\n\n00:43.654 --> 01:12.754\n獨排眾議當時他的其實他的壓力非常非常大來自於中央不支持而且呢其實這個豬農也未必支持因為認為這個成本提高當時他讓雲林縣全面禁止廚餘來養豬現在事後證明他是對的那麼當時我們的賴總統是院長他打臉張立善而且他說這是影響這個豬瘟的防疫工作\n\n01:13.474 --> 01:33.726\n但是呢其實大家一致的認為就是怎麼樣能夠降低廚餘去養豬的這樣的一個比例那其實如果看到從107年到現在來說老師說有關這一部分我們事實上是沒有作為的啦對不起我們把它看到\n\n01:34.446 --> 01:56.183\n就是我們看一下一個資料就是今年家戶的廚餘再利用方式的一個趨勢圖最下面呢就是一個就是用廚餘來養豬的一個比例107年當時是60%沒有錯有逐年在降低但是到113年仍然有42.8%\n\n01:58.044 --> 02:13.596\n也就是說這7年來其實我們在廚餘怎麼樣的再利用的部分這7年來是沒有作為我們從這個數字是可以看到的所以現在我們是暫時性的就是全面禁止廚餘養豬\n\n02:17.039 --> 02:33.556\n當時的賴院長提到的就是很怕廚餘會流竄他說如果我們禁止廚餘養足那其他廚餘會流竄但是現在確實發生囉現在確實發生廚餘確實有在流竄那這兩天不是有屏東的這個畜牧場呢\n\n02:34.657 --> 03:02.818\n把他載到這個換外縣市的廚餘就換外縣市廚餘現在變成大家用跨縣市因為如果本自己的縣市沒有辦法去處理那尤其你們現在講台中台中處理不好啊怎麼等等之類那現在可能他不是在第一線台中現在是在風口浪尖上其他的縣市你難保其他縣市的處理方式會比台中市更好啊所以現在恐怕就有全台流竄的問題\n\n03:04.039 --> 03:12.798\n所以我想請教我先請教彭部長這種出於現在可能全台流竄的問題你們有沒有注意到然後如何的防範\n\n03:13.724 --> 03:42.473\n包委員我們環境部跟各縣市的環保局有一個平台然後定期都會開會就這次的事情那當然台中這次它的量能它的垃圾量能處理各方面就不夠所以我們今天我也特別請我們昨天就請我們的署長希望我們也可以伸出援手協助他們調度是不是跟別的縣市一起來合作那因為這個廚藝處理現在有其他縣市答應跟台中市合作到目前為止因為台中並沒有提出它的需求\n\n03:42.813 --> 04:07.632\n可是你不是说中央伸出援手吗我们也就是询问他嘛询问他要不要什么帮忙因为他的这个堆肥啊或是除那个掩埋的方式那部长你的评估啊你的评估现在不是只有台中禁止厨余养猪其他县制也禁止嘛云林乐师他七年前他就有禁止所以他做的比较好他已经还把他变成堆肥那他现在最近因为\n\n04:08.493 --> 04:36.656\n又他本來有一些少量的廚餘他還可以賣到外面去但是現在呢又回流因為全線全台就在流竄啊所以他要去生產他那個堆肥的生產線因為他本來雲林是原來做別那他是因為他原來就在做可是其他縣市老實講我剛剛說因為我們現在是盯住台中但是不代表台中以外的縣市會做得比台中好您同不同意\n\n04:37.637 --> 05:00.519\n同意但是我們現在都積極的跟他們在看目前是沒有問題的可是我剛才講就是已經發生屏東的畜牧場就開始混外縣市的廚餘現在大家就開始混所以我的意思就是說您剛講說中央伸出援手非常好所以現在變成可能需要跨縣市的來處理\n\n05:02.180 --> 05:29.903\n但是你現在也沒有辦法我真的覺得以現階段你去問各縣市政府搞不好他不敢同意我過去我們在台北市後來我們才步入這位剛開始台北市因為當時焚化爐有一些餘裕可以去燒其他縣市的垃圾一開始台北市是反對說為什麼我們的焚化廠要去燒外縣市的垃圾呢可是慢慢大家也是慢慢可以接受說\n\n05:30.903 --> 05:48.280\n其實這個台北市竟然文化廠是有餘裕的我們可以協助外縣市來處理垃圾那以現階段全部大家其實我相信所有的養豬大縣都應該面臨到說這些廚藝如何去化不是只有台中您同意吧\n\n05:49.056 --> 05:51.779\n同意像台北市其實它的焚化爐餘裕還蠻多的但是它可以給各縣市的比例只有3%對可是我的意思說別說我們養豬大戶嘉義彰化還有台南高雄其實都屏東屏東最大\n\n06:05.615 --> 06:23.505\n我認為他們現在也會面臨現通禁止廚餘我的廚餘到要怎麼處理所以我想請問到目前為止到目前為止作為跨縣市的廚餘的去化跟處理現在你們有沒有一套辦法\n\n06:24.265 --> 06:46.650\n包委員有的現在其實我們每天都在監控甚至我們也跟有些縣市他的清運的方式有些呢因為過去是清運是養豬的業者清運現在未來有一天改變我們都在積極的在處理那目前短期間內我說短期間內針對這個最短期間是沒有問題的但是長時間我們還是希望說未來對針對廚藝有一個更好的方式來處理\n\n06:47.450 --> 07:03.464\n因為我這邊我也請教陳部長我希望說現在因為一剛剛開始發生總是會比較亂一些我這個出於的去處理那長期而言其實我們所收到的訊息大家都認為\n\n07:05.154 --> 07:27.774\n就是在這個時候大家都感受到廚餘會帶來這個整個的防疫上的困難所以在長時間還是應該去做全面的去禁止廚餘養豬那麼部長這邊可不可以往這個方向去做研議到現在為止你們沒有鬆口嗎\n\n07:28.474 --> 07:54.901\n對我們第一個就是我們還是持續的去做廚餘轉型的部分那廚餘如果禁止我在這邊跟委員報告就是廚餘的大縣市第一個是新北跟屏東市有98場是最多的那再來就是桃園新竹縣台中市彰化縣這幾個都是養豬所以這幾個縣市你去問他們的時候他們就會有所保留但是以中央部會的立場來講\n\n07:56.581 --> 08:16.213\n廚餘要養豬你一定要達到你要的一個必要的一個監管還有一個確保它的一個廚餘的安全但是我想我們跟環境部會講有沒有可能再把廚餘的養豬的這個再利用像剛才委員有講的把它變成工業化的飼料再來養豬那這個部分我們一定會積極的去做\n\n08:17.216 --> 08:34.634\n我覺得這些工業化真的是必須的我認為雲林因為我覺得他做了七年我覺得雲林的這種做法其實是可以給其他因為雲林也是養豬牠的養豬頭數最多的嘛對不對對但是他全部用飼料他是全部用飼料他不用廚餘\n\n08:35.735 --> 08:50.172\n是那但是他一定原來有廚餘嘛他現在還有廚餘啊對不對那他的處理我現在講的是我們如果能夠把廚餘把它處理好處理好那當然就有助於我們去推動全面的禁止廚餘養豬嘛\n\n08:51.934 --> 09:18.994\n所以原理當他做了七年那七年我覺得可以到目前為止看起來他是成功的啊他是成功的我剛才講說他現在還變成說那因為他的廚藝又回流回來了所以呢他就增加他的堆肥的生產線像老實說連我自己我最近看了我家裡本來沒有廚藝機我決定要去買一台廚藝機了你知道嗎我就要推廣就說從家戶學校到餐廳\n\n09:20.575 --> 09:46.770\n我覺得你們現在就可以推廣啊大家有這樣的認識大家有這樣意識到那當然你說那個院長講說大家把這個東西都吃下去什麼都在當然會被人家三小可是如果別說我今天家戶我做出來我就我今天我家戶就買一台廚藝機可以的話我學校也可以添置廚藝我覺得我們在其他的政策不管在尤其你的學校啦或者有一些重點的地方你給他\n\n09:47.911 --> 10:04.921\n給他那個補貼也好或者給他一些什麼優惠也好這樣子來降低這個廚餘量大家一起做比部長在那邊我也知道你們現在一定都在加班嘛比你們坐在這邊可能會大家就是這種事應該是大家共同一起來\n\n10:05.481 --> 10:27.755\n的一个工作所以也希望委员去跟大家宣传家里有厨余机是不错的我也跟各位委员报告厨余的堆肥的设施像云林是一个特别的个案当然有些县市连珍珠也是其实它很容易变成地方的林壁设施这个也希望大家能够来了解我认为时间我说你们三年只通过一家通过一家是合格的珍珠场\n\n10:35.419 --> 10:56.633\n其他的就要靠這個養豬場一個一個去跟你通報所以我覺得你們其實來自於中央的真的還是有很多工作要做啦很多工作要做就是說我覺得七年前那個是錯失了一個時機雲林縣政府我現在回頭看我覺得雲林縣政府是那個\n\n10:57.654 --> 11:13.956\n就是摒除所有的壓力去做那是很好的而漁林縣政府現在已經做出一個時機給大家看因為他的養豬戶數也很多那我也不相信他的廚藝會比別人個人的製造量我也不相信他會比其他縣市少那他怎麼做到的\n\n11:14.537 --> 11:31.712\n對不對雲林可以做到那我相信其他縣市也都慢慢可以做到現在是起步嘛萬事起頭難好不好所以我還是在這邊還是正式的我們還是會推動全面禁止廚餘來養豬啊這才是一勞永逸的方式\n\n11:31.912 --> 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我們環境部跟各縣市的環保局有一個平台然後定期都會開會就這次的事情那當然台中這次它的量能它的垃圾量能處理各方面就不夠所以我們今天我也特別請我們昨天就請我們的署長希望我們也可以伸出援手協助他們調度是不是跟別的縣市一起來合作那因為這個廚藝處理現在有其他縣市答應跟台中市合作到目前為止因為台中並沒有提出它的需求"},{"start":222.813,"end":247.632,"text":"可是你不是说中央伸出援手吗我们也就是询问他嘛询问他要不要什么帮忙因为他的这个堆肥啊或是除那个掩埋的方式那部长你的评估啊你的评估现在不是只有台中禁止厨余养猪其他县制也禁止嘛云林乐师他七年前他就有禁止所以他做的比较好他已经还把他变成堆肥那他现在最近因为"},{"start":248.493,"end":276.656,"text":"又他本來有一些少量的廚餘他還可以賣到外面去但是現在呢又回流因為全線全台就在流竄啊所以他要去生產他那個堆肥的生產線因為他本來雲林是原來做別那他是因為他原來就在做可是其他縣市老實講我剛剛說因為我們現在是盯住台中但是不代表台中以外的縣市會做得比台中好您同不同意"},{"start":277.637,"end":300.519,"text":"同意但是我們現在都積極的跟他們在看目前是沒有問題的可是我剛才講就是已經發生屏東的畜牧場就開始混外縣市的廚餘現在大家就開始混所以我的意思就是說您剛講說中央伸出援手非常好所以現在變成可能需要跨縣市的來處理"},{"start":302.18,"end":329.903,"text":"但是你現在也沒有辦法我真的覺得以現階段你去問各縣市政府搞不好他不敢同意我過去我們在台北市後來我們才步入這位剛開始台北市因為當時焚化爐有一些餘裕可以去燒其他縣市的垃圾一開始台北市是反對說為什麼我們的焚化廠要去燒外縣市的垃圾呢可是慢慢大家也是慢慢可以接受說"},{"start":330.903,"end":348.28,"text":"其實這個台北市竟然文化廠是有餘裕的我們可以協助外縣市來處理垃圾那以現階段全部大家其實我相信所有的養豬大縣都應該面臨到說這些廚藝如何去化不是只有台中 您同意吧"},{"start":349.056,"end":351.779,"text":"同意 像台北市其實它的焚化爐餘裕還蠻多的但是它可以給各縣市的比例只有3%對 可是我的意思說別說我們養豬大戶嘉義 彰化 還有台南 高雄其實都 屏東 屏東最大"},{"start":365.615,"end":383.505,"text":"我認為他們現在也會面臨現通禁止廚餘我的廚餘到要怎麼處理所以我想請問到目前為止到目前為止作為跨縣市的廚餘的去化跟處理現在你們有沒有一套辦法"},{"start":384.265,"end":406.65,"text":"包委員有的 現在其實我們每天都在監控 甚至我們也跟有些縣市他的清運的方式有些呢因為過去是清運是養豬的業者清運現在未來有一天改變 我們都在積極的在處理那目前短期間內我說短期間內針對這個最短期間是沒有問題的但是長時間我們還是希望說未來對針對廚藝有一個更好的方式來處理"},{"start":407.45,"end":423.464,"text":"因為我這邊我也請教陳部長我希望說現在因為一剛剛開始發生總是會比較亂一些我這個出於的去處理那長期而言其實我們所收到的訊息大家都認為"},{"start":425.154,"end":447.774,"text":"就是在這個時候大家都感受到廚餘會帶來這個整個的防疫上的困難所以在長時間還是應該去做全面的去禁止廚餘養豬那麼部長這邊可不可以往這個方向去做研議到現在為止你們沒有鬆口嗎"},{"start":448.474,"end":474.901,"text":"對我們第一個就是我們還是持續的去做廚餘轉型的部分那廚餘如果禁止我在這邊跟委員報告就是廚餘的大縣市第一個是新北跟屏東市有98場是最多的那再來就是桃園新竹縣台中市彰化縣這幾個都是養豬所以這幾個縣市你去問他們的時候他們就會有所保留但是以中央部會的立場來講"},{"start":476.581,"end":496.213,"text":"廚餘要養豬你一定要達到你要的一個必要的一個監管還有一個確保它的一個廚餘的安全但是我想我們跟環境部會講有沒有可能再把廚餘的養豬的這個再利用像剛才委員有講的把它變成工業化的飼料再來養豬那這個部分我們一定會積極的去做"},{"start":497.216,"end":514.634,"text":"我覺得這些工業化真的是必須的我認為雲林 因為我覺得他做了七年我覺得雲林的這種做法其實是可以給其他 因為雲林也是養豬牠的養豬頭數最多的嘛 對不對對 但是他全部用飼料 他是全部用飼料 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？很多事情，容易的事情大家都會去做，但就是不容易嘛，好不好？但是我覺得今天既然發生這樣的事件，而且大家全部的認知都是跟廚餘有絕對的關係時，我覺得可以做就去推動，好不好？"],["彭部長啓明：好，謝謝。"],["陳部長駿季：好，謝謝。"],["王委員鴻薇：謝謝。"],["主席（王委員正旭代）：謝謝王鴻薇委員的發言。看起來應該全臺要來響應購買廚餘機，可以減量。"],["王委員鴻薇：對啊、對啊，我覺得，我要去買了。"],["主席：謝謝兩位部長的答詢。","下一位請徐富癸委員發言。"]],"agenda":{"page_end":372,"meet_id":"委員會-11-4-26-7","speakers":["劉建國","陳昭姿","林月琴","陳菁徽","邱鎮軍","王育敏","蘇清泉","林淑芬","廖偉翔","黃秀芳","陳瑩","陳素月","謝龍介","王鴻薇","徐富癸","王正旭","涂權吉","楊曜","吳沛憶","牛煦庭","盧縣一","何欣純","范雲","洪孟楷"],"page_start":1,"meetingDate":["2025-10-29"],"gazette_id":"1149002","agenda_lcidc_ids":["1149002_00002"],"meet_name":"立法院第11屆第4會期社會福利及衛生環境委員會第7次全體委員會議紀錄","content":"一、邀請環境部部長、衛生福利部、農業部、經濟部、教育部、國防部就「防範非洲豬瘟疫情擴\n散，強化全國廚餘去化問題以及後續防疫、清消等作為」提出專題報告，並備質詢；二、繼續審\n查( 一) 行政院函請審議「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」案、( 二) 委員廖先翔等18 人擬具\n「職業安全衛生法第三十五條條文修正草案」案、(三)委員牛煦庭等18人擬具「職業安全衛生法\n第四十九條條文修正草案」案、(四)委員李昆澤等26人擬具「職業安全衛生法第三十九條及第四\n十九條條文修正草案」案、( 五) 委員魯明哲等16 人擬具「職業安全衛生法第四十條條文修正草\n案」案、(六)台灣民眾黨黨團擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」案、(七)委員林淑芬等\n19人擬具「職業安全衛生法第四十三條條文修正草案」案、(八)委員楊曜等22人擬具「職業安全\n衛生法第六條條文修正草案」案、(九)委員李昆澤等27人擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草\n案」案、(十)委員黃秀芳等21人擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」案、(十一)委員翁曉\n玲等23人擬具「職業安全衛生法第三十五條、第三十九條及第四十九條條文修正草案」案、(十\n二)委員范雲等18人擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」案、(十三)委員劉建國等17人擬\n具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」案、(十四)委員吳琪銘等18人擬具「職業安全衛生法第\n六條條文修正草案」案、 ( 十五) 委員沈發惠等18 人擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」\n案、(十六)委員王育敏等19人擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」案、(十七)委員王育敏\n等25人擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」案、(十八)委員郭國文等17人擬具「職業安全\n衛生法部分條文修正草案」案、(十九)委員王鴻薇等19人擬具「職業安全衛生法第四條條文修正\n草案」案、(二十)委員郭昱晴等17人擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」案、(二十一)委\n員羅廷瑋等18人擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」案；三、審查(一)委員王正旭等23人\n擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」案、(二)委員吳沛憶等19人擬具「職業安全衛生法部\n分條文修正草案」案、(三)委員莊瑞雄等16人擬具「職業安全衛生法第九條條文修正草案」案、\n(四)委員林月琴等21人擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」案、(五)委員林淑芬等21人擬\n具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」案、(六)委員邱鎮軍等22人擬具「職業安全衛生法部分\n條文修正草案」案、(七)委員徐富癸等16人擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」案、(八)\n委員黃捷等16人擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」案、(九)委員蔡易餘等17人擬具「職\n業安全衛生法部分條文修正草案」案、(十)委員陳亭妃等16人擬具「職業安全衛生法部分條文修\n正草案」案【逐條討論】","agenda_id":"1149002_00001"}}}